70 MPH Speed Limit Increase To 70 In Pennsylvania???

[mariethefoxy]

The LIE is 55 and should be at least 65.

Supposedly, it was 60/65 before NMSL. With that and Sunrise Highway, you could make the speed limit 80 and there would still be people going 20 over.

I have a question: if I'm going 65 in a 55 when everyone is going 65 as well, who gets pulled over?

on the LIE, usually its the people driving by themselves in the HOV lane when HOV restrictions are in effect, or the people that are going insanely fast compared to the other motorists.

[Pete from Boston]

The LIE is 55 and should be at least 65.

Supposedly, it was 60/65 before NMSL. With that and Sunrise Highway, you could make the speed limit 80 and there would still be people going 20 over.

I have a question: if I'm going 65 in a 55 when everyone is going 65 as well, who gets pulled over?

on the LIE, usually its the people driving by themselves in the HOV lane when HOV restrictions are in effect, or the people that are going insanely fast compared to the other motorists.

In the premise Buffaboy described, no one is "going insanely fast compared to the other motorists."  They're all going 65.

HOV or no, though, the point is obviously that it's the person who commits some other violation or otherwise stands out, since all things being equal, people don't usually get pulled over when they're all doing 65 in a 55.

[Buffaboy]

The LIE is 55 and should be at least 65.

Supposedly, it was 60/65 before NMSL. With that and Sunrise Highway, you could make the speed limit 80 and there would still be people going 20 over.

I have a question: if I'm going 65 in a 55 when everyone is going 65 as well, who gets pulled over?

on the LIE, usually its the people driving by themselves in the HOV lane when HOV restrictions are in effect, or the people that are going insanely fast compared to the other motorists.

In the premise Buffaboy described, no one is "going insanely fast compared to the other motorists."  They're all going 65.

HOV or no, though, the point is obviously that it's the person who commits some other violation or otherwise stands out, since all things being equal, people don't usually get pulled over when they're all doing 65 in a 55.

I've managed to drive the entire I-290 in Buffalo going over 75 in the leftmost lane in heavy traffic because I had to be in Orchard Park in 5 minutes. All the cars around me looked like they were moving slowly.

How I pulled this off, I'm not sure.

[cpzilliacus]

In the premise Buffaboy described, no one is "going insanely fast compared to the other motorists."  They're all going 65.

HOV or no, though, the point is obviously that it's the person who commits some other violation or otherwise stands out, since all things being equal, people don't usually get pulled over when they're all doing 65 in a 55.

Except for the HOV/Toll lanes on the Virginia side, all of the Capital Beltway is posted 55 MPH, but the 85th percentile speed is 65 MPH or better, and (for the most part) a driver has to be going 70 MPH (or more) to get attention from the Maryland or Virginia State Police.

[cl94]

In the premise Buffaboy described, no one is "going insanely fast compared to the other motorists."  They're all going 65.

HOV or no, though, the point is obviously that it's the person who commits some other violation or otherwise stands out, since all things being equal, people don't usually get pulled over when they're all doing 65 in a 55.

Except for the HOV/Toll lanes on the Virginia side, all of the Capital Beltway is posted 55 MPH, but the 85th percentile speed is 65 MPH or better, and (for the most part) a driver has to be going 70 MPH (or more) to get attention from the Maryland or Virginia State Police.

That's how it usually is in these parts. You have to be going quite fast to get pulled over in Albany for speed. They typically go after people using cell phones or who appear drunk.

Similar to the Beltway, the expressways are well above capacity and pulling someone over will create a large backup that may actually make things more dangerous.

[Rothman]

In the premise Buffaboy described, no one is "going insanely fast compared to the other motorists."  They're all going 65.

HOV or no, though, the point is obviously that it's the person who commits some other violation or otherwise stands out, since all things being equal, people don't usually get pulled over when they're all doing 65 in a 55.

Except for the HOV/Toll lanes on the Virginia side, all of the Capital Beltway is posted 55 MPH, but the 85th percentile speed is 65 MPH or better, and (for the most part) a driver has to be going 70 MPH (or more) to get attention from the Maryland or Virginia State Police.

That's how it usually is in these parts. You have to be going quite fast to get pulled over in Albany for speed. They typically go after people using cell phones or who appear drunk.

I dunno.  From the experience of my friends and me, speed enforcement goes from nonexistent if you're going up to 9 mph over the speed limit to annoying from 10 mph beyond.

[Buffaboy]

A little bit O.T., but I heard a professor today say that if your EZPass transponder arrives at a toll faster than the average speed on a route, you will get a fee for speeding. Is this true?

[jeffandnicole]

A little bit O.T., but I heard a professor today say that if your EZPass transponder arrives at a toll faster than the average speed on a route, you will get a fee for speeding. Is this true?

Absolutely not, and this rumor has been around since the advent of EZ Pass.

Tell your professor you want to see a ticket for this violation.  Or a copy of a ticket.  From anyone.

[cl94]

A little bit O.T., but I heard a professor today say that if your EZPass transponder arrives at a toll faster than the average speed on a route, you will get a fee for speeding. Is this true?

Absolutely not, and this rumor has been around since the advent of EZ Pass.

Tell your professor you want to see a ticket for this violation.  Or a copy of a ticket.  From anyone.

Untrue is correct. It's quite the old rumor. If that was the case, my parents and I would have gotten enough tickets to revoke each of our licenses.

[mariethefoxy]

I remember hearing that rumor too, apparently if you entered the turnpike and exited was a time faster than the speed limit, you'd get a ticket, so to combat that, the person who told me this rumor said to go to the rest stop for a bit then get back on the road

[Rothman]

I remember hearing that rumor too, apparently if you entered the turnpike and exited was a time faster than the speed limit, you'd get a ticket, so to combat that, the person who told me this rumor said to go to the rest stop for a bit then get back on the road

That's rather silly.  Might as well just drive the speed limit if you're that paranoid. 

E-ZPass simply isn't used for speed enforcement.

However, if you happen to murder your father and attempt to murder your mother, your E-ZPass in/out times may be used to convict you (e.g., Porco case).

[SteveG1988]

I remember hearing that rumor too, apparently if you entered the turnpike and exited was a time faster than the speed limit, you'd get a ticket, so to combat that, the person who told me this rumor said to go to the rest stop for a bit then get back on the road

That's rather silly.  Might as well just drive the speed limit if you're that paranoid. 

E-ZPass simply isn't used for speed enforcement.

However, if you happen to murder your father and attempt to murder your mother, your E-ZPass in/out times may be used to convict you (e.g., Porco case).

I have heard they will give you tickets for speeding in the ezpass lane.

http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2015/02/24/pa-turnpike-to-crack-down-on-speeding-through-ez-pass-lanes/

[jeffandnicole]

I remember hearing that rumor too, apparently if you entered the turnpike and exited was a time faster than the speed limit, you'd get a ticket, so to combat that, the person who told me this rumor said to go to the rest stop for a bit then get back on the road

That's rather silly.  Might as well just drive the speed limit if you're that paranoid. 

E-ZPass simply isn't used for speed enforcement.

However, if you happen to murder your father and attempt to murder your mother, your E-ZPass in/out times may be used to convict you (e.g., Porco case).

I have heard they will give you tickets for speeding in the ezpass lane.

http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2015/02/24/pa-turnpike-to-crack-down-on-speeding-through-ez-pass-lanes/

Reread that article and quote the exact point where they say they'll ticket for speeding.

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Various agencies have stated they'll send out letters and notices and suspend accounts if you speed thru the plaza.  The NJ Turnpike said they would do that many years ago (early 2000's), and it quickly became known that in the 15 mph lanes, one would have to go at least 35 mph to get one of these notices.  I, in fact, did get one of these notices!  However, that was a fairly short-lived policy, and there's been no known automated speed enforcement or notification for many years now.  The PANYNJ had a similar policy.

[cl94]

I remember hearing that rumor too, apparently if you entered the turnpike and exited was a time faster than the speed limit, you'd get a ticket, so to combat that, the person who told me this rumor said to go to the rest stop for a bit then get back on the road

That's rather silly.  Might as well just drive the speed limit if you're that paranoid. 

E-ZPass simply isn't used for speed enforcement.

However, if you happen to murder your father and attempt to murder your mother, your E-ZPass in/out times may be used to convict you (e.g., Porco case).

I have heard they will give you tickets for speeding in the ezpass lane.

http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2015/02/24/pa-turnpike-to-crack-down-on-speeding-through-ez-pass-lanes/

Reread that article and quote the exact point where they say they'll ticket for speeding.

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Various agencies have stated they'll send out letters and notices and suspend accounts if you speed thru the plaza.  The NJ Turnpike said they would do that many years ago (early 2000's), and it quickly became known that in the 15 mph lanes, one would have to go at least 35 mph to get one of these notices.  I, in fact, did get one of these notices!  However, that was a fairly short-lived policy, and there's been no known automated speed enforcement or notification for many years now.  The PANYNJ had a similar policy.

NYSTA does a similar thing. If you're going fast enough to trigger a letter, at least in NY, the reader probably didn't get your E-ZPass. You could get your pass revoked as well. While I drive like a Long Islander elsewhere, I go exactly the posted speed limit in toll plazas.

In New York, it's illegal to give a speeding ticket outside of an E-ZPass lane or school zone in NYC without the officer writing the ticket witnessing the offense. That effectively renders any argument about E-ZPass speeding tickets moot and it is why speed cameras are not used here.

[Rothman]

I thought we were talking about calculated speeds between entrance and exit points.

[Flyer78]

NYSTA does a similar thing. If you're going fast enough to trigger a letter, at least in NY, the reader probably didn't get your E-ZPass.

Then more than likely your tag is installed wrong, if at all. "Waiving it" at the reader doesn't count. MTA warns they may take improperly installed tags.

I thought we were talking about calculated speeds between entrance and exit points.

We are, but in a thread about raising the speed limit to 70 in PA. 

With that in mind, the ORT sections of the Turnpike are signed at 55. However, the physics of the system certainly can handle speeds much higher.

[Rothman]

NYSTA does a similar thing. If you're going fast enough to trigger a letter, at least in NY, the reader probably didn't get your E-ZPass.

Then more than likely your tag is installed wrong, if at all. "Waiving it" at the reader doesn't count. MTA warns they may take improperly installed tags.

Huh?  I've known more than a couple of people who blew through E-ZPass lanes and ended up getting tickets simply because they were going too fast.

[cl94]

NYSTA does a similar thing. If you're going fast enough to trigger a letter, at least in NY, the reader probably didn't get your E-ZPass.

Then more than likely your tag is installed wrong, if at all. "Waiving it" at the reader doesn't count. MTA warns they may take improperly installed tags.

Huh?  I've known more than a couple of people who blew through E-ZPass lanes and ended up getting tickets simply because they were going too fast.

No, my tag is mounted properly. Below the rearview mirror. Per NY law, must be in a spot that cannot be normally seen by the driver. A lot of the 5 mph lanes don't read the tag until you're practically out of the booth. I've had cases where a full stop was required in an E-ZPass only lane.

They definitely send out tickets, but there range at many of the lanes is quite small. Have to be breaking 15-20 in a normal lane. Good luck getting it to read at that.

[cpzilliacus]

A little bit O.T., but I heard a professor today say that if your EZPass transponder arrives at a toll faster than the average speed on a route, you will get a fee for speeding. Is this true?

No.  Only place I have heard of such speed limit enforcement is on the (tolled) Autoroute system in France. 

There, supposedly you can get a speeding ticket if the travel time between the entry and exit points is "too low" (and the average speed is "too high").

[qguy]

A little bit O.T., but I heard a professor today say that if your EZPass transponder arrives at a toll faster than the average speed on a route, you will get a fee for speeding. Is this true?

Definitely not true on the PA Turnpike. The Turnpike (and the EZPass contractor) doesn't at all communicate EZPass data to the PA State Police (PSP), which has jurisdiction on the Turnpike.

"We're not in the law enforcement business," is how a friend who is a Turnpike official once expressed it to me. "That'e the PSP and we don't give them that information."

[jeffandnicole]

NYSTA does a similar thing. If you're going fast enough to trigger a letter, at least in NY, the reader probably didn't get your E-ZPass.

Then more than likely your tag is installed wrong, if at all. "Waiving it" at the reader doesn't count. MTA warns they may take improperly installed tags.

Huh?  I've known more than a couple of people who blew through E-ZPass lanes and ended up getting tickets simply because they were going too fast.

What state or authority?

[cl94]

NYSTA does a similar thing. If you're going fast enough to trigger a letter, at least in NY, the reader probably didn't get your E-ZPass.

Then more than likely your tag is installed wrong, if at all. "Waiving it" at the reader doesn't count. MTA warns they may take improperly installed tags.

Huh?  I've known more than a couple of people who blew through E-ZPass lanes and ended up getting tickets simply because they were going too fast.

What state or authority?

NYSTA can issue tickets. Them and NYCDOT's school zone speed cameras are the only two types of speed camera tickets legal in New York.

[jeffandnicole]

This Q&A from July, 2014 says the NYSTA cannot issue speeding tickets...and doesn't have the authority to do so: http://www.westchestermagazine.com/Westchester-Magazine/July-2014/Can-You-Get-A-Speeding-Ticket-From-Your-E-ZPass/

Several other articles from around the web back up this claim, including http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/dec/20/e-z-pass-watches-records-speeders-issues-warning-b/

So, for all the people that claim they know people that have gotten speeding tickets, it still goes back to what I originally said: See a copy of the actual ticket.  There's never been any actual true evidence someone has received a ticket.

[cl94]

This Q&A from July, 2014 says the NYSTA cannot issue speeding tickets...and doesn't have the authority to do so: http://www.westchestermagazine.com/Westchester-Magazine/July-2014/Can-You-Get-A-Speeding-Ticket-From-Your-E-ZPass/

Several other articles from around the web back up this claim, including http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/dec/20/e-z-pass-watches-records-speeders-issues-warning-b/

So, for all the people that claim they know people that have gotten speeding tickets, it still goes back to what I originally said: See a copy of the actual ticket.  There's never been any actual true evidence someone has received a ticket.

My apologies. What they can do is suspend or revoke your E-ZPass account.

[jeffandnicole]

This Q&A from July, 2014 says the NYSTA cannot issue speeding tickets...and doesn't have the authority to do so: http://www.westchestermagazine.com/Westchester-Magazine/July-2014/Can-You-Get-A-Speeding-Ticket-From-Your-E-ZPass/

Several other articles from around the web back up this claim, including http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/dec/20/e-z-pass-watches-records-speeders-issues-warning-b/

So, for all the people that claim they know people that have gotten speeding tickets, it still goes back to what I originally said: See a copy of the actual ticket.  There's never been any actual true evidence someone has received a ticket.

My apologies. What they can do is suspend or revoke your E-ZPass account.

And that a number of agencies can do, or have done in the past.  Like I said, the NJ EZ Pass did that for a short time.  The PANYNJ did that as well.  I don't think either agency sends them out anymore (I know NJ EZ Pass doesn't).

Agencies in MD & VA do actively send out violations as well for illegally using the lane, although they go to the owner of the vehicle and not the driver.  They don't send violation notices for speeding though.