Most acute intersection?

Started by empirestate, January 11, 2014, 08:38:46 PM

Previous topic - Next topic

elsmere241

This one is about thirty degrees, in Newark, DE: http://goo.gl/maps/fvhps

Because it's where three developments meet, the school bus almost always has to make the 150-degree turn between the SW leg of Bent and the south leg of Briar.  (Ironically, Bent Lane is one of the straightest streets in the neighborhood.)

The northeast inside angle is parkland, but the southwest inside angle is tacked on to the adjoining residential lot.


vtk

Columbus Ave & Market St, Washington CH, Ohio:



Although the marked routes split directionally along Columbus & Market, all streets involved are still two-way.  Measurement tool in Google Earth indicates the angle is about 9.9°
Wait, it's all Ohio? Always has been.

briantroutman

At about 26.5°, this intersection of Market and Hepburn Streets (http://bit.ly/1dh1RYq) in Williamsport, Pennsylvania certainly isn't the most acute in this list, but its acuteness probably is among the more frustrating for a few reasons.

  • Rather than being a simple four-way, this intersection joins six directions of travel on four separate two-way roads
  • The intersection is completely non-channelized and non-signalized
  • Northbound Market has no controls; other directions have a simple STOP, leading to perpetual game of chicken
  • Trees and buildings cause very short sight distances for motorists stopped at northbound Hepburn Street
  • Until the mid-"˜70s, motorists following US 220 southbound through Williamsport had to make the 153.5° U-turn from northbound Market to southbound Hepburn to remain on 220

vdeane

This one in Essex Junction, VT is interesting because of the resulting unique signage: http://goo.gl/maps/CPSZB
Please note: All comments here represent my own personal opinion and do not reflect the official position of NYSDOT or its affiliates.

cpzilliacus

The intersection of U.S. 1 (Baltimore Avenue) and Rhode Island Avenue in Beltsville, Maryland was modified a few years ago to make it less acute, but you can still see the angle at which the streets used to cross. 

Rhode Island Avenue was once the trackbed for a streetcar line. 
Opinions expressed here on AAROADS are strictly personal and mine alone, and do not reflect policies or positions of MWCOG, NCRTPB or their member federal, state, county and municipal governments or any other agency.

vtk

Quote from: cpzilliacus on January 13, 2014, 03:17:50 AM
The intersection of U.S. 1 (Baltimore Avenue) and Rhode Island Avenue in Beltsville, Maryland was modified a few years ago to make it less acute,

I think I'd have moved the southern intersection further southwest, merging it with the Montgomery Rd intersection.  But perhaps this idea goes in the Redesigning Intersections thread...
Wait, it's all Ohio? Always has been.

empirestate

Quote from: Jardine on January 12, 2014, 01:13:41 PM
Sunnyside Avenue and Lincoln Way/Highway 30 in Missouri Valley Iowa is a VERY tight angle, and makes for a VERY awkward intersection.

Nice one; I think that's my favorite so far!

Quote from: Mr_Northside on January 12, 2014, 05:46:05 PM
McCoy Rd. & Island Ave. (PA-51) in McKees Rocks has a turn restriction, but is two 2-way roads.

http://goo.gl/maps/hfRiS

Can anyone get a measurement on that? It looks like a contender for "least obtuse" so far. :-P

Quote from: briantroutman on January 12, 2014, 11:08:16 PM
At about 26.5°, this intersection of Market and Hepburn Streets (http://bit.ly/1dh1RYq) in Williamsport, Pennsylvania certainly isn't the most acute in this list, but its acuteness probably is among the more frustrating for a few reasons.

Yep, I seem to remember that one from the Most Annoying Intersection thread.

Quote from: vtk on January 13, 2014, 06:21:54 AM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on January 13, 2014, 03:17:50 AM
The intersection of U.S. 1 (Baltimore Avenue) and Rhode Island Avenue in Beltsville, Maryland was modified a few years ago to make it less acute,

I think I'd have moved the southern intersection further southwest, merging it with the Montgomery Rd intersection.  But perhaps this idea goes in the Redesigning Intersections thread...

They were probably trying to avoid buying that office building.

vtk

Quote from: empirestate on January 13, 2014, 10:29:57 AM
Quote from: vtk on January 13, 2014, 06:21:54 AM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on January 13, 2014, 03:17:50 AM
The intersection of U.S. 1 (Baltimore Avenue) and Rhode Island Avenue in Beltsville, Maryland was modified a few years ago to make it less acute,

I think I'd have moved the southern intersection further southwest, merging it with the Montgomery Rd intersection.  But perhaps this idea goes in the Redesigning Intersections thread...

They were probably trying to avoid buying that office building.

They wouldn't have to; we have plenty of offset intersections in Columbus...
Wait, it's all Ohio? Always has been.

Brandon

There's a few of these in Northeast Illinois.

Clark and Ashland, north side of Chicago.

Elston, Milwaukee, and Melvina, northwest side of Chicago.

Chicago and Ottawa, Joliet.

Entrance and Third, Kankakee.  And yes, the name of the street is 'Entrance".

Dearborn and Euclid, Bradley.
"If you think this has a happy ending, you haven't been paying attention." - Ramsay Bolton, "Game of Thrones"

"Symbolic of his struggle against reality." - Reg, "Monty Python's Life of Brian"

Jardine

#34
Quote from: empirestate on January 13, 2014, 10:29:57 AM
Quote from: Jardine on January 12, 2014, 01:13:41 PM
Sunnyside Avenue and Lincoln Way/Highway 30 in Missouri Valley Iowa is a VERY tight angle, and makes for a VERY awkward intersection.

Nice one; I think that's my favorite so far!




LOL, it actually is a fairly safe intersection as the locals avoid Sunnyside Avenue.  The long frontage to Highway 30 makes sorting out what is going on difficult and it makes people averse.    The motel, trailer park, and a fitness center also have driveways adjoining the intersection, and there is a Pizza Hut fairly close.

Not a fun intersection.  And Sunnyside follows the alignment of the current Highway 30 if you pull back a bit.  I'd say that was the original road, and the slight jog in Highway 30 allows it to connect to Erie Street further SW, and that is the main drag.  No one seems to remember the road ever being anywhere else than it is now however, so if it was changed, it was done long ago.


(could someone with WAY more computer skills than myself post the Google pic of it?  It's an interesting intersection, thanx!)

(if someone could figure out the angle too, that would be great)

empirestate

#35
Quote from: vtk on January 13, 2014, 11:07:03 AM
Quote from: empirestate on January 13, 2014, 10:29:57 AM
Quote from: vtk on January 13, 2014, 06:21:54 AM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on January 13, 2014, 03:17:50 AM
The intersection of U.S. 1 (Baltimore Avenue) and Rhode Island Avenue in Beltsville, Maryland was modified a few years ago to make it less acute,

I think I'd have moved the southern intersection further southwest, merging it with the Montgomery Rd intersection.  But perhaps this idea goes in the Redesigning Intersections thread...

They were probably trying to avoid buying that office building.

They wouldn't have to; we have plenty of offset intersections in Columbus...

With that building still standing, you could perhaps align with the gas station driveway and combine the two signal sets into one. But it almost seems you could accomplish the same without moving anything; just re-signal the two intersections into one without any new construction.

Quote from: Brandon on January 13, 2014, 11:15:12 AM
Entrance and Third, Kankakee.  And yes, the name of the street is 'Entrance".

Dearborn and Euclid, Bradley.

Here's one similar to those, in North Bellport, NY, that would have been a great candidate–if and when the streets were ever actually connected:
https://goo.gl/maps/IG6Tv

JCinSummerfield

The first one that came to my mind is Dexter Ave, Huron St & Jackson Ave (Business 94 is on the latter two streets.) in Ann Arbor

pianocello

Quote from: Jardine on January 13, 2014, 01:35:13 PM
Quote from: empirestate on January 13, 2014, 10:29:57 AM
Quote from: Jardine on January 12, 2014, 01:13:41 PM
Sunnyside Avenue and Lincoln Way/Highway 30 in Missouri Valley Iowa is a VERY tight angle, and makes for a VERY awkward intersection.

Nice one; I think that's my favorite so far!


(could someone with WAY more computer skills than myself post the Google pic of it?  It's an interesting intersection, thanx!)

(if someone could figure out the angle too, that would be great)

Google Maps; Street View.

This kinda reminds me of the intersection between Dubuque St and Ridge Rd in Iowa City. (Street View) The carriageways of Dubuque are split there, however, so it isn't as sharp of a turn between SB Dubuque and NB Ridge.
Davenport, IA -> Valparaiso, IN -> Ames, IA -> Orlando, FL -> Gainesville, FL -> Evansville, IN

sandwalk

Hayes Avenue (SR 4) and North Depot Street in Sandusky, Ohio.  (Don't pay attention to Google maps).

http://goo.gl/maps/fd9WG

vtk

Quote from: Jardine on January 12, 2014, 01:13:41 PM
Sunnyside Avenue and Lincoln Way/Highway 30 in Missouri Valley Iowa is a VERY tight angle, and makes for a VERY awkward intersection.

Quote from: Jardine on January 13, 2014, 01:35:13 PM
(if someone could figure out the angle too, that would be great)

9.35°.  Darn, you beat mine.
Wait, it's all Ohio? Always has been.

empirestate

Quote from: sandwalk on January 13, 2014, 03:16:05 PM
Hayes Avenue (SR 4) and North Depot Street in Sandusky, Ohio.  (Don't pay attention to Google maps).

http://goo.gl/maps/fd9WG

That seems like sort of a special case...the course of Depot St. is actually close to perpendicular to Hayes, and has just been modified at the intersection because of a steep grade. I'm not sure I'd count it, for the same reason I wouldn't count an acutely-angled cross street that had been modified to be less so. But I also recognize it's a gray area that would probably lead to discounting many examples in Appalachian terrain which are functionally similar, if less obviously so.

Jardine

Thanks for the help there.

Amazing how sharp the angle is.  I'm thinking in today's world no new intersection would ever be made like that.

IIRC, the daily traffic count on highway 30 thru Missouri Valley Iowa is in the 15-20,000 vehicles/day.

There is talk periodically of IaDOT building a 4 lane bypass around Missouri Valley, at least, and possibly extending to miss Logan Iowa too.  Cost is probably a big factor in the project never getting very far.  There would be a crossing of Willow Creek (big for a creek in this area, an overpass over Union Pacific double track RR, probably Illinois Central  single track, it would cross or block several country roads, an intersection with Loess Hills Trail (former US 75, former Iowa 183, and probably either a complex and/or expensive connection to the existing US30 at the I-29 interchange.



citrus

Market St and Clayton St in San Francisco is very acute, and you can see for yourself if I did the satellite view link correctly.

Bonus: a city bus makes the near-U turn maneuver as part of its regular route. There are dotted lines that roughly trace its path. No other vehicles are permitted to make such a maneuver, and the red light at the end of Clayton is very set back from the intersection so the bus has enough room.

The nearby intersection of Market and 18th is pretty acute, as well.

empirestate

Quote from: citrus on January 13, 2014, 10:25:33 PM
Market St and Clayton St in San Francisco is very acute, and you can see for yourself if I did the satellite view link correctly.

Bonus: a city bus makes the near-U turn maneuver as part of its regular route. There are dotted lines that roughly trace its path.

Seeing as how that line is the pantagraph wires, I'd say they trace it pretty exactly!

Alps


Jardine

Wow!!

Lookit this one!!


(sorry it took me so long to remember it)

138thTrail is a county gravel, and Fulton is a frequently impassable dirt road. (does this count or do we discriminate against less fortunate roads?)

I tried the line feature on Google and estimate the angle is around 6 degrees.

41 degrees north, 48' 39.79"
95 degrees west, 59' 39.99"






agentsteel53

I don't know if that counts as a full intersection.  there are plenty of roads that meet at such angles where it is implied that one cannot make either the right or the left turn.
live from sunny San Diego.

http://shields.aaroads.com

jake@aaroads.com

Jardine

#47
138th Trail is steep (rising as you head east) and Fulton is way steeper.  Scary turn off.

The slope and Fulton being a dirt road also leads to some scouring and erosion when it rains.  I have driven Fulton a few times, the rest of the road follows a scenic ridge for a mile or two, but the increasing tree growth (evident in the Google images) is really closing in the view.

One would not want to approach 138th Trail on Fulton and want to make a right turn.  Cars and pickups could probably do it, but nothing longer.  IIRC, there is a stop sign facing Fulton.

Both roads are incised into the hill's slope.  The gap between the roads is not a ditch, it is more of two cliffs tapering towards the apex.  Dramatic, but extremely bad for visibility.

J Route Z

Quote from: jemacedo9 on January 11, 2014, 10:23:10 PM
The two that came to my mind quickly are:
PA 42 and PA 118:  http://goo.gl/maps/fcpFY
PA 29 at Pickering Dam Rd (SR 1017):  http://goo.gl/maps/2fbP8

http://goo.gl/maps/Bg7M9 this sign needs to be replaced....

Alps

If we're looking at all movements being legal:
Clove/Upper Mtn., Montclair NJ - I have not been able to turn right from Clove SB to Upper Mtn./Long Hill NB without swinging into the opposing lane. I am not the only one making this turn.
Pine Brook/Peace Valley, Montville NJ - Street View for this one because the differing grades of the roads add to the issue of the acute angle. It's hard enough seeing traffic just making a left out of Peace Valley. But if making a right, you need to poke into the NB lane of Pine Brook just to check whether anyone's coming in the SB lane. Yes, another one where you have to swing out to make it through.



Opinions expressed here on belong solely to the poster and do not represent or reflect the opinions or beliefs of AARoads, its creators and/or associates.