Ohio SR 11 -- Future Interstate designation???

[leifvanderwall]

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How about a new US 21?

No, I would change Ohio Rts 7 & 11 to US 152. It makes more sense since the route starts at US 52.

[shoptb1]

I think OH-11 should remain signed as an Ohio state route.  I kind of enjoy the multitude of expressway/freeway-quality state routes that we have in Ohio.  11 is definitely one of the longest (if not the longest) state roads that is a continuous freeway, but there are many routes that are also headed in the same direction.  OH-7, OH-8, OH-21, OH-32/124, OH-104, OH-126, OH-161, OH-315, OH-562...these are all good examples of Ohio state routes with significant (if not entire) completed expressway/freeway segments. 

ODOT also knows that they have more flexibility in the design/maintenance standards of these roads vs. the Eisenhower Interstate System without risk of the yanking of federal funds.  I believe this is the main reason that ODOT has repeatedly said that they have no interest in expanding the Eisenhower Interstate System within Ohio.

[mightyace]

ODOT also knows that they have more flexibility in the design/maintenance standards of these roads vs. the Eisenhower Interstate System without risk of the yanking of federal funds.  I believe this is the main reason that ODOT has repeatedly said that they have no interest in expanding the Eisenhower Interstate System within Ohio.

Makes sense.  So they can do things like the often mentioned Rest Area on OH 11.  Or, a lot of US 30 out west of the state has exits for major highways but at grade intersections for minor ones.

[shoptb1]

Makes sense.  So they can do things like the often mentioned Rest Area on OH 11.  Or, a lot of US 30 out west of the state has exits for major highways but at grade intersections for minor ones.

I think the mindset in Ohio is also different from some other states, such as uhmmm, North Carolina (for example), which seems hell-bent on getting as many interstate shields placed within their jurisdiction as humanly possible. Ohio, by contrast, is not growing in population by leaps and bounds, and therefore, is faced with the almost-assured likelihood of decreasing tax revenues for maintaining the existing Interstate System mileage, much less maintaining additional road miles.  Ohio, and other states of the "Rust Belt" have had to learn to swallow a difficult pill in the last 30 years (which was only made worse by the recent economic developments of the last 3 years), which is that the large population centers of yesterday (Cleveland, Toledo, Dayton, Cincinnati, Detroit, etc) are probably never going to be as large as they once were. The "build it and they will come" philosophy only works if you can realistically expect an increase in business (and therefore, tax) revenues because of the proposed system improvement.  

Although I LOVE to see new roads as much as the next person, I also appreciate a measured approach at new construction which takes into account the overall necessity; weighing maintenance costs against potential new revenue and time savings.  

[thenetwork]

That would be a serious possibility of promoting SR 11 into an interstate. The only two issues to that is the stub after I-90 that ends at SR 531 and that rest area.

Make that three issues:  The southern edge of the SR-11 interchange at I-90 needs to be built to interstate standards as well:

http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=41.826695,-80.76517&spn=0.001963,0.004823&t=k&z=18

[mightyace]

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I forgot about the goofy south side of the cloverleaf.  I'm surprised that it's still there.

And how many other places do you see an Exit sign pointing straight to the right?
http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&t=k&ll=41.82622,-80.767037&spn=0,0.003047&z=18&layer=c&cbll=41.826309,-80.765079&panoid=09rHp2V2m00FtKhbuqtmmA&cbp=12,35.16,,0,23.85

As for the section north of I-90, I'd simply end the interstate at I-90 and maybe make the stub a state route of the same number.  (i.e. I-576 and OH 576 or I-190 and OH 190)

[rawmustard]

The straight-right exit chatter has been split into its own thread.

[The Premier]

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As for the section north of I-90, I'd simply end the interstate at I-90 and maybe make the stub a state route of the same number.  (i.e. I-576 and OH 576 or I-190 and OH 190)

That will not be possible. In Ohio, you cannot sign a state route if its the same as an Interstate.
You'll get away with that in California and New York, but not in Ohio. Once a route number is an Interstate or a U.S. Route, that previous number will have to be replaced.

[mightyace]

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As for the section north of I-90, I'd simply end the interstate at I-90 and maybe make the stub a state route of the same number.  (i.e. I-576 and OH 576 or I-190 and OH 190)

That will not be possible. In Ohio, you cannot sign a state route if its the same as an Interstate.
You'll get away with that in California and New York, but not in Ohio. Once a route number is an Interstate or a U.S. Route, that previous number will have to be replaced.

My main thing was just not designating the part north of I-90 as an interstate.  If the highway has to be something other than the state route equivalent of the I-number, fine.

[bugo]

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As for the section north of I-90, I'd simply end the interstate at I-90 and maybe make the stub a state route of the same number.  (i.e. I-576 and OH 576 or I-190 and OH 190)

That will not be possible. In Ohio, you cannot sign a state route if its the same as an Interstate.
You'll get away with that in California and New York, but not in Ohio. Once a route number is an Interstate or a U.S. Route, that previous number will have to be replaced.

Then Ohio needs to change their silly rules.

[bugo]

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As for the section north of I-90, I'd simply end the interstate at I-90 and maybe make the stub a state route of the same number.  (i.e. I-576 and OH 576 or I-190 and OH 190)

That will not be possible. In Ohio, you cannot sign a state route if its the same as an Interstate.
You'll get away with that in California and New York, but not in Ohio. Once a route number is an Interstate or a U.S. Route, that previous number will have to be replaced.

My main thing was just not designating the part north of I-90 as an interstate.  If the highway has to be something other than the state route equivalent of the I-number, fine.

That would just make things confusing, to sign a single corridor with two numbers when now it's a single number.

[agentsteel53]

that is quite silly.  having totally unrelated routes share the same number (like US-17 and FL-17) is not a good idea, but to have the continuation of an interstate route keep the number is a well-known solution.

[Mr_Northside]

My main thing was just not designating the part north of I-90 as an interstate.  If the highway has to be something other than the state route equivalent of the I-number, fine.

If something like this were to ever happen, why not designate north of I-90? 
Just over the state line in PA around Erie, I-79 continues north of I-90 towards the lake to end at a state route.

[Hot Rod Hootenanny]

that is quite silly.  having totally unrelated routes share the same number (like US-17 and FL-17) is not a good idea, but to have the continuation of an interstate route keep the number is a well-known solution.

Considering that this thread started out with giving interstate shields to Ohio freeways that never been considered for interstate status, arguing that Ohio needs to change it's highway numbering protocal is about as practical as telling Demo/Repubs to switch political affiliations.

[The Premier]

The main issue at hand, however, is can SR 11 be designated as an Interstate? Keep in mind that I-376 is already taken. Also, there are three issues that are causing the route not to meet Interstate standards; the rest area is a big example. You also have to look at the fact that Ohio may or may not be willing to add another Interstate.

[Scott5114]

So why not make it something like 976 that isn't used?

[DanTheMan414]

So why not make it something like 976 that isn't used?

Shouldn't that be the real number for the Bud Shuster Thruway....errr, I-99?

[Hellfighter]

So why not make it something like 976 that isn't used?

Shouldn't that be the real number for the Bud Shuster Thruway....errr, I-99?

I thought it was I-580!

[vdeane]

Shouldn't that be the real number for the Bud Shuster Thruway....errr, I-99?

When it's complete it's going to be a little big for a 3di.

[mightyace]

Shouldn't that be the real number for the Bud Shuster Thruway....errr, I-99?

When it's complete it's going to be a little big for a 3di.

Well, PA's got I's 376 and 476, so what's another...

Anyway, you could make the part between the Turnpike and 80 and x70, x76 or an x80.

The part between I-80 and I-86 and be an x80 or x86 and keep the rest just I-86 and I-390.

Simple, huh?

[froggie]

Technically, that goes against being simple, since you're using multiple route numbers for a route that could otherwise just have one.

[vdeane]

Splitting it up would allow for the US 15 portions to get an interstate designation sooner.  That way we wouldn't have to wait on the US 220 upgrades, which could just become an extension of I-180 if they're ever done.

[mightyace]

Technically, that goes against being simple, since you're using multiple route numbers for a route that could otherwise just have one.

Well it doesn't have one today.  To follow what we think will be I-99 you take the following north of I-80:
US 220 North to Williamsport
US 15 North to Painted Post, NY
I-86/NY 17 West to I-390 Junction
and I-390 North to Rochester

[vdeane]

I don't believe the I-390 portion is anything other than a roadgeek rumor.

[mightyace]

I don't believe the I-390 portion is anything other than a roadgeek rumor.

I have no problem with that.

If Bud Schuster had never gotten I-99 designated, I'm fairly certain the highways would be simply US 220 and US 15 between Bedford, PA and Painted Post, NY.