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Re: Interstate 269
« Reply #100 on: July 07, 2012, 11:36:22 AM »



Signs on I-269 North approaching TN 385



Signs on US 72 east approaching I-269

Shreveport?!?!?!?!? SHREVEPORT?!?!?!? What...El Dorado or Haughton or Stonewall not good enough for them??  LOL
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Re: Interstate 269
« Reply #101 on: July 07, 2012, 01:57:32 PM »

I-269 will connect to I-55 to Jackson.

I didn't even think about that when I made the comment. I was actually thinking of I-69.
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Re: Interstate 269
« Reply #102 on: July 07, 2012, 09:12:40 PM »

I recently looked at MDOT's 2012-15 Draft STIP and it provides an ambitious construction schedule for I-269 in Desoto County (page 34/305 of pdf) and Marshall County (page 45/305 of pdf).  Four separate "grade bridge 4 Lanes" projects are listed for 2012 and two more "grade bridge 4 Lanes" projects are listed for 2013.  Also, in 2013, there is a "grade bridge pave 4 Lanes" project from Future I-22 to MS 302 and a 2013 paving project from MS 302 to the Tennessee state line.  There are also two "Pave 4 Lanes" projects scheduled for 2015.  As far as I can tell, the only section of Mississippi's I-269 that is not scheduled to be under a paving contract by 2015 is a section from the Desoto/Marshall county line to "STA-835+00".

Brief Summary:
Desoto County
2012-13. 4 "grade bridge 4 Lanes" projects from I-55 to the Marshall County line.
2015. Paving project from I-55 to the Marshall County line.

Marshall County
2012-13.  3 "grade bridge 4 Lanes" projects from the Desoto County line to MS 302.
2013. a "grade bridge pave 4 Lanes" project from Future I-22 to MS 302.
2013. Pave from MS 302 to the Tennessee state line.
2015. Pave from "STA 835+00" to east of Mason Road (Mason Road is just east of Future I-22).

Looks like MDOT has "construction" for the section from Station 835+00 to Mason Rd up for the July 24th letting.

EDIT: Clicking on the Buy Plans link further details the project as "Grade, Bridge, & 4-Lanes in MARSHALL (47) County, STP-0029-03(013) / 102556315, for Jul 24, 2012 letting"

I wonder where Station 835+00 is? It seems to be 15.81 miles from some point, which I assume to be the I-55/I-69/I-269 interchange.

EDIT 2: From my crude Google Earth measurement of the I-269 path through MS, assuming that station 0+00 is located at the I-55/I-69 interchange, station 835+00 is located just to the northeast of US 78/future I-22:



Here is the entire path that I traced out in Google Earth up to station 835+00:



EDIT 3: Looking at the plan index seems to indicate that it does include at least part of the interchange with US 78/I-22. Unfortunately, this interchange has been downgraded from a cloverstack to a cloverleaf with C/D roads along US 78/I-22 and I-269.
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Re: Interstate 269
« Reply #103 on: July 07, 2012, 11:26:02 PM »

It's 2012 and they're still building cloverleafs. 
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Re: Interstate 269
« Reply #104 on: July 08, 2012, 01:47:32 PM »

^ Control cities of Evansville, IN and Shreveport, LA?  :-o back at you.

I'd think Nashville would be a better control city for NB I-269 south of I-40, with Evansville appearing at I-40.  Or at least sign Nashville/Evansville.
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Re: Interstate 269
« Reply #105 on: July 08, 2012, 02:29:39 PM »

Looking at the plan index seems to indicate that it does include at least part of the interchange with US 78/I-22. Unfortunately, this interchange has been downgraded from a cloverstack to a cloverleaf with C/D roads along US 78/I-22 and I-269.
Shreveport's stupid; I'd use Jackson, MS instead.
I-269 will connect to I-55 to Jackson.
Control cit[y] of Evansville, IN ...?
I'd think Nashville would be a better control city for NB I-269 south of I-40, with Evansville appearing at I-40.  Or at least sign Nashville/Evansville.

Birmingham (Atlanta?) would be a good choice for the segments approaching I-22, which is scheduled to be completed in October, 2014. So, similar notion for Birmingham/Jackson as Revive 755 suggests for Nashville/Evansville.

...And will Mississippi's section of I-269 have Tunica as a control city (gambling $$$ from tourists)?
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Re: Interstate 269
« Reply #106 on: July 08, 2012, 03:26:58 PM »

Birmingham (Atlanta?) would be a good choice for the segments approaching I-22, which is scheduled to be completed in October, 2014. So, similar notion for Birmingham/Jackson as Revive 755 suggests for Nashville/Evansville.

Birmingham is already signed for on US 78 in Memphis and Tupelo, so I would expect it to be the same once it becomes I-22.
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Re: Interstate 269
« Reply #107 on: July 08, 2012, 03:44:32 PM »

It's 2012 and they're still building cloverleafs. 



Anyway, nothing wrong with a cloverleaf when traffic volumes don't overload it. North Carolina just built one at I-74 and I-95. And when traffic does get heavier, you can build flyovers.
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Re: Interstate 269
« Reply #108 on: July 08, 2012, 09:51:01 PM »

As a Hoosier, there is nothing wrong with the Evansville usage as a control city, but why not Dyersburg? Isn't Clarksville a control city on I-24 out of Nashville?
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Re: Interstate 269
« Reply #109 on: July 08, 2012, 10:11:43 PM »

It's 2012 and they're still building cloverleafs.

Nothing wrong with a cloverleaf with C/D lanes. Probably cheaper than a stack with a lot of flyovers, since only two structures would be needed.
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Re: Interstate 269
« Reply #110 on: July 08, 2012, 10:13:24 PM »

Yes, Clarksville is a control city from Nashville.

As far as using Dyersburg as a control city, if 69 duplexes with US 51, I could see it being a control city from Memphis. However, my guess is that Evansville or Indianapolis could end up being the control city. But, would Kentucky and Indiana's DOTs sign Dyersburg? I bet they'd go with Memphis.
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Re: Interstate 269
« Reply #111 on: July 09, 2012, 04:47:38 PM »

Indiana would likely sign it as Memphis, from Evansville on southward. I suppose another question, probably more appropriate for the I-69 in KY page, would be what controls Kentucky would use. Would they use Memphis, Dyersburg, or keep the current controls on the parkways (Hopkinsville, Paducah, Elizabethtown, Fulton?)
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Re: Interstate 269
« Reply #112 on: July 09, 2012, 08:51:01 PM »

I would imagine that in the long run Memphis and Evansville would be control cities in Kentucky at junctions at other interstates, with more local ones such as Paducah, Henderson, Madisonville, etc used where appropriate, on mileage signs, etc. and some trail blazers.  I see no reason to use Dyersburg as a long distance control city (Dyersburg is not that large, I-155 being the only possible reason to use it).
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Re: Interstate 269
« Reply #113 on: July 26, 2012, 04:33:22 PM »

I emailed MDOT and asked them if they had a current estimated completion date for Mississippi's part of I-269.  It looks like 2020 is the current best guess.  MDOT's response (the District 2 Engineer):
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The project is broken into 4 segments. The 4th segment is currently under construction. The remaining 3 segments are anticipated to under construction in the next 2 to 4 years . The completion will be in phases ranging between 2014 to 2020. These dates are approximate due to ROW and utility constraints on the 3 segments not under construction.
I recently looked at MDOT's 2012-15 Draft STIP and ... As far as I can tell, the only section of Mississippi's I-269 that is not scheduled to be under a paving contract by 2015 is a section from the Desoto/Marshall county line to "STA-835+00".
... all of Tennessee's part of I-269 will be scheduled to be completed by 2015, with the short exception of the new terrain I-69/ I-269 interchange northwest of Memphis.

With Tennessee scheduled to complete their part of I-269 by 2015, and this TV video report reporting that the entire Mississippi section should be "drivable from end to end, from 55 to the Marshall county line by 2018", it looks like essentially all of I-269 (I-55 in MS to US 51 in TN) is projected to be open to traffic by 2018:

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One of the places where the impact of I-69 is going to be felt the most is in Desoto County, Mississippi.
"As far as we can tell, it should be drivable from end to end, from 55 to the Marshall county line by 2018," says Gina Tynan with the Desoto County Planning Commission. "We anticipate that it is going to be a real game changer, but it really is going to be putting a pretty sharp focus on Desoto County as a new place of development."....
269 is going to connect with Highway 78 near the Marshall County line and Redbanks Road. From there, it is going to run parallel to Byhalia Road until it connects outside of Hernando with 69. This is primarily going to be for tractor trailer traffic. It will serve as kind of an outer beltway for Memphis.

Now, if they can just figure out how to get the funding for the northern I-69/I-269 interchange ...
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Re: Interstate 269
« Reply #114 on: August 06, 2012, 03:59:31 PM »

TDOT's August 3 letting includes the 2.667 mile section of I-269 from the Mississippi state line to TN 385.  It will be for grading, drainage, construction of bridges, and paving with an estimated completion date of April 30, 2015 (page 4/8 of pdf):
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FAYETTE AND SHELBY COUNTIES (Contract No. CNL024) Call No. 014
Project No. NH-I-269(23), 79469-3108-44, 24469-3105-44
The grading, drainage, construction of three (3) welded steel plate girder bridges, two (2) concrete Bulb-Tee beam bridges and paving on I-269 beginning at the Mississippi State line and extending to S.R. 385.
Project Length - 2.667 miles
Completion Time - On or before April 30, 2015
^ I am looking at the plans now, and it appears that this segment will be signed as I-269 when finished. :o

I hope that it is only a short-term delay, but the August 3 Apparent Bid Results indicate that the above project was withdrawn from the letting (page 5/13 of pdf):

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Call 014 Contract CNL024 Project NH-I-269(23), 79469-3108-44, 24469-3105-44 County FAYETTE & SHELBY
NEW CONSTRUCTION ON I-269 FROM MISS. STATE LINE TO SR 385 INCLUDING GRADING, DRAINAGE, 3 WELDED STEEL PLATE GIRDER BRIDGES, 2 CONCRETE BULB-TEE BEAM
BRIDGES AND PAVING
CONTRACT WITHDRAWN
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« Reply #115 on: August 07, 2012, 12:30:11 PM »

I wonder where Station 835+00 is? It seems to be 15.81 miles from some point, which I assume to be the I-55/I-69/I-269 interchange .... Looking at the plan index seems to indicate that it does include at least part of the interchange with US 78/I-22. Unfortunately, this interchange has been downgraded from a cloverstack to a cloverleaf with C/D roads along US 78/I-22 and I-269.

As part of the August 28 letting advertisement, MDOT has posted a two month advertisement (September 25 letting) for the I-269 segment from Station 625.00 to Station 835.00, which I interpret to essentially be the I-22/ I-269 interchange, as shown in the Plan Index (including an arrow showing the location of Station 835.00):


Also, MDOT has issued a Press Release indicating that an upcoming bond sale will finance the remainder of I-269 in Marshall County:

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As part of the ongoing I-269 project, MDOT and Marshall County IDA will issue $163 million in bonds in the fall of 2012 to complete the remaining phases of I-269 within Marshall County.  Previously, in October 2007, $52 million in bonds was issued to begin work on the I-269 project.

Good progress on the Mississippi side ...
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Re: Interstate 269
« Reply #116 on: August 07, 2012, 12:53:59 PM »

Fascinating to see a full cloverleaf in use for this planned interchange.  Will there be C/D roads on both 269 and 22?
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Re: Interstate 269
« Reply #117 on: August 07, 2012, 01:33:03 PM »

Fascinating to see a full cloverleaf in use for this planned interchange.  Will there be C/D roads on both 269 and 22?

That is the plan. Earlier on a cloverstack was proposed, but I think it has been scaled back to speed up construction.
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Re: Interstate 269
« Reply #118 on: August 07, 2012, 07:13:44 PM »

Now my question, which I don't think has an answer yet - Is this piece of I-269 what will finally get I-22 signed? (Or will the I-65 connection beat it to the punch?)

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Re: Interstate 269
« Reply #119 on: August 07, 2012, 08:18:36 PM »

Now my question, which I don't think has an answer yet - Is this piece of I-269 what will finally get I-22 signed? (Or will the I-65 connection beat it to the punch?)

I'm hoping the answer is neither; since MAP-21 now allows signage of disconnected segments, all of Alabama's open segments are interstate grade, and most of Mississippi's segments are interstate grade (with the final three upgrade projects all expected to be completed by November 2013), then I hope to see applications from both ALDOT and MDOT for immediate signage in time for the November 15 AASHTO Special Committee on Route Numbering meeting.  Why wait? I-22 signage by New Year's Day!

FTR - the I-22/I-269 interchange is targeted for a June 18, 2015 completion date, roughly eight months after the targeted October 15, 2014 completion date for the I-22/ I-65 interchange:

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Construction of SR 304/I-269 from Station 625+00 to Station 835+00, known as Federal Aid Project Nos. STP-0029-02(016) / 102556313 & STP-0029-03(008) / 102556314 in Desoto & Marshall Counties.
Project Completion: 06/18/2015
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Re: Interstate 269
« Reply #120 on: August 08, 2012, 08:25:55 PM »

Now my question, which I don't think has an answer yet - Is this piece of I-269 what will finally get I-22 signed? (Or will the I-65 connection beat it to the punch?)

I'm hoping the answer is neither; since MAP-21 now allows signage of disconnected segments, all of Alabama's open segments are interstate grade, and most of Mississippi's segments are interstate grade (with the final three upgrade projects all expected to be completed by November 2013), then I hope to see applications from both ALDOT and MDOT for immediate signage in time for the November 15 AASHTO Special Committee on Route Numbering meeting.  Why wait? I-22 signage by New Year's Day!

FTR - the I-22/I-269 interchange is targeted for a June 18, 2015 completion date, roughly eight months after the targeted October 15, 2014 completion date for the I-22/ I-65 interchange:

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Construction of SR 304/I-269 from Station 625+00 to Station 835+00, known as Federal Aid Project Nos. STP-0029-02(016) / 102556313 & STP-0029-03(008) / 102556314 in Desoto & Marshall Counties.
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Re: Interstate 269
« Reply #121 on: August 21, 2012, 06:57:49 PM »

TDOT's August 3 letting includes the 2.667 mile section of I-269 from the Mississippi state line to TN 385.  It will be for grading, drainage, construction of bridges, and paving with an estimated completion date of April 30, 2015 (page 4/8 of pdf)
I hope that it is only a short-term delay, but the August 3 Apparent Bid Results indicate that the above project was withdrawn from the letting (page 5/13 of pdf)

Good news from TDOT is that the I-269 project to the Mississippi state line is now advertised in the September 14 letting (page 4/10 of pdf):

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FAYETTE AND SHELBY COUNTIES (Contract No. CNL024) Call No. 014
Project No. NH-I-269(23), 79469-3108-44, 24469-3105-44
The grading, drainage, construction of three (3) welded steel plate girder bridges, two (2) concrete Bulb-Tee beam bridges and
paving on I-269 beginning at the Mississippi State line and extending to S.R. 385.
Project Length - 2.667 miles
Completion Time - On or before April 30, 2015
Plans Cost - $200.00 Cross-Section Cost - $100.00
The DBE goal for this contract is 8.5%.

TDOT's August 3 letting .... the paving project for the final 8.294 miles of the TN 385 section of I-269 will be let on August 3 (page 7/8 of pdf)

Also, TDOT recently awarded the paving project for the final 8.294 miles of the TN 385 section of I-269 (page 12/13 of pdf):

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Call 034 Contract CNL263 Project NH‐I‐269(19), 79469‐3106‐44, 24269‐3104‐44 County SHELBY & FAYETTE
THE PAVING ON I‐269(SR 385) FROM SR 57(POPLAR AVE) TO SR 193 (MACON RD)
Contractor LEHMAN‐ROBERTS COMPANY
Total $21,620,390.89
Bid Estimate $21,709,418.10

Looks like MDOT has "construction" for the section from Station 835+00 to Mason Rd up for the July 24th letting.

In addition, on August 14, MDOT awarded the above contract, MDOT's third I-269 project (page 1/2 of pdf):

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AWARDED SUBJECT TO CONCURRENCE BY THE FEDERAL HIGHWAY ADMINISTRATION
STP-0029-03(013) / 102556315
MARSHALL COUNTY - Construction of SR 304/I-269 from Station 835+00 to Mason Road
EUTAW CONSTRUCTION COMPANY, INC.
PO BOX 36
ABERDEEN, MS 39730
$31,999,237.02

MDOT awarded a contract for the second MS I-269 project ... subject to FHWA concurrence on June 12 (page 2/3 of pdf):
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STP-0029-02(014) / 102556312
DESOTO COUNTY - Grade & Bridge, 4-lanes on SR 304/I-269 from SR 305 to Coldwater River Bridge
JOE MCGEE CONSTRUCTION COMPANY, INC.
6609 STEVE LEE DRIVE LAKE, MS 39092
$39,998,460.65

Finally, to whet the appetite for future roadgeeking opportunities afforded by the above projects, this TV video report has some footage of construction equipment pushing some dirt around on the second MDOT I-269 project, in Desoto County. Can Memphis Road Meet II be too far off in the future?
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Re: Interstate 269
« Reply #122 on: August 21, 2012, 10:07:31 PM »

Something about I-22- for some time from 2010 to now US 78 was labeled as I-22 by Google Maps, now Google Maps left it as US 78 again.
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Re: Interstate 269
« Reply #123 on: August 22, 2012, 07:41:37 AM »

Something about I-22- for some time from 2010 to now US 78 was labeled as I-22 by Google Maps, now Google Maps left it as US 78 again.

Yeah, Google loves to post "Future" interstates, especially if there is "Future Corridor" signage along said route.  However, can't explain why the I-22 shields are gone now.  Maybe somebody somehow sneaked an edit in that amazingly got past the reviewers there at Google to strip the I-22 shields till it's posted as an official Interstate.

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Re: Interstate 269
« Reply #124 on: September 17, 2012, 05:22:18 PM »

Good news from TDOT is that the I-269 project to the Mississippi state line is now advertised in the September 14 letting (page 4/10 of pdf)

TDOT has awarded the I-269 project from TN 385 to the Mississippi state line (page 5/14 of pdf):

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Call 014
Contract CNL024
Project NH-I-269(23), 79469-3108-44, 24469-3105-44
County FAYETTE & SHELBY
NEW CONSTRUCTION ON I-269 FROM MISS. STATE LINE TO SR-385 INCLUDING GRADING, DRAINAGE, 3 WELDED STEEL PLATE GIRDER BRIDGES, 2 CONCRETE BULB-TEE BEAM BRIDGES AND PAVING
Contractor Total Bid: DEMENT CONSTRUCTION COMPANY, LLC $41,093,395.62
Estimate: $40,458,437.50

Now the long wait begins for the next I-69 Corridor project in Tennessee ...
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