Smallest town with a bypass AND a business route

Started by bugo, December 17, 2014, 03:10:51 AM

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bugo

Huttig, AR has a population of 731 and has a bypass (that sadly, isn't that old) and a Business AR 129. What is the smallest town in the country with a bypass?


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Quote from: bugo on December 17, 2014, 03:10:51 AM
Huttig, AR has a population of 731 and has a bypass (that sadly, isn't that old.)
80+ years ago isn't that old?
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bugo

Quote from: NE2 on December 17, 2014, 04:07:19 AM
Quote from: bugo on December 17, 2014, 03:10:51 AM
Huttig, AR has a population of 731 and has a bypass (that sadly, isn't that old.)
80+ years ago isn't that old?

It first shows up on the 1989 AHTD highway map.

TheStranger

Leggett, CA has a population of 122 as of 2010 (the current US 101 is a bypass of the old alignment along Route 271).
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Mapmikey

The Virginia winner would be Washington, VA with a population (2013) of 134.  Also down in this range are Pamplin City, population 220; Madison CH, population 226; Stanardsville, population 377; Cheriton, VA, population 481; Lovingston, population 520.

After reading the question I thought the Virginia winner would be Meadows of Dan but the internet says its population is around 2000 residents but I think that is more of a district figure than a town population (there is not much of a town there).

There is an unposted Business/Bypass US 17 (explicit in traffic logs) at Cosners Corner near Fredericksburg.  There are zero people living there.

The population served by the new US 460 Business near Grundy is likely very small but this still doesn't appear on either Google maps or Google Earth so I don't know its precise location.

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DandyDan

I believe San Simon, AZ has a business loop off of I-10, for a population of 165 as of the 2010 Census.  Bowie, AZ, the next town to the west, has a population of 449 and I believe they also had a business loop as well there.
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Quote from: bugo on December 17, 2014, 04:19:11 AM
Quote from: NE2 on December 17, 2014, 04:07:19 AM
Quote from: bugo on December 17, 2014, 03:10:51 AM
Huttig, AR has a population of 731 and has a bypass (that sadly, isn't that old.)
80+ years ago isn't that old?

It first shows up on the 1989 AHTD highway map.
If you're talking about the bypass on Highway 129, that shows up on the 1938 and probably 1929 county maps: ftp://ftp.geostor.arkansas.gov/geostor_raster_02/AHTD_MAP_SERIES/HISTORIC/Union_County/

[edit] WTF - 1953 and 1963 show 159 on the current business route, although the bypass is FAS. 1985 puts it back on the direct bypass with 129B through.
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hbelkins

Quote from: Mapmikey on December 17, 2014, 06:39:09 AM

The population served by the new US 460 Business near Grundy is likely very small but this still doesn't appear on either Google maps or Google Earth so I don't know its precise location.

Mapmikey

It follows Riverside Drive.


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Mapmikey

Yes but where exactly are the endpoints (e.g. how long is the business route)?

VDOT has a couple pictures that might have enough clues for one of the ends but not the whole thing...

Mapmikey

US71

Are you talking about a Bannered Bypass and and a Bannered Business Route or just a bypass with a business route?

Hinsdville, AR pop 61 has a Business US 412.
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bugo

Quote from: Mapmikey on December 17, 2014, 06:39:09 AM
There is an unposted Business/Bypass US 17 (explicit in traffic logs) at Cosners Corner near Fredericksburg.  There are zero people living there.

What streets does the business route run on?

bugo

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Quote from: NE2 on December 17, 2014, 01:54:24 PM
Quote from: bugo on December 17, 2014, 04:19:11 AM
Quote from: NE2 on December 17, 2014, 04:07:19 AM
Quote from: bugo on December 17, 2014, 03:10:51 AM
Huttig, AR has a population of 731 and has a bypass (that sadly, isn't that old.)
80+ years ago isn't that old?

It first shows up on the 1989 AHTD highway map.
If you're talking about the bypass on Highway 129, that shows up on the 1938 and probably 1929 county maps: ftp://ftp.geostor.arkansas.gov/geostor_raster_02/AHTD_MAP_SERIES/HISTORIC/Union_County/

[edit] WTF - 1953 and 1963 show 159 on the current business route, although the bypass is FAS. 1985 puts it back on the direct bypass with 129B through.

The cartography on those old maps is, how you say, imprecise, to be kind.

On the later maps, the cartography is correct but you have to look in the margins to see what year revisions have been done. For example, the "1985" Union County map was revised in November, 1992.

Mapmikey

Quote from: bugo on December 17, 2014, 09:43:52 PM
Quote from: Mapmikey on December 17, 2014, 06:39:09 AM
There is an unposted Business/Bypass US 17 (explicit in traffic logs) at Cosners Corner near Fredericksburg.  There are zero people living there.

What streets does the business route run on?

VDOT calls it Mill Rd (not to be confused with Mills Dr).  In this link - https://goo.gl/maps/6ZnJi - VDOt considers Mills Dr to be mainline 17.  The north leg of the triangle is US 17 Business, which is partially one-way NB and the nB is the signed way for mainline US 17 to go to US 1 and beyond.  VDOT considers the shorter N-S road connecting them as US 17 ALT.

None of it makes sense and it demonstrates to me VDOT does not want new Y routes.

Mapmikey

NE2

The 1939 map clearly shows 129 on the current route with a spur along the northern half of current 129B. Note the stars and distances between them: 3.0 mi from the state line to the spur junction and 0.7 mi along the spur.

PS: 129 was rerouted and 129B was created in January 1989.
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TheHighwayMan3561

In Minnesota a number of small towns bypassed by an expressway have a county-maintained "thru city" business route that connects to the bypass route on both ends, ostensibly following the expressway route's old routing. MN 197 in Bemidji is a state-numbered exception to the county road standard.

Believe the winner in MN is Onamia (pop 878; US 169 is the bypass and Mille Lacs County 38 is the business route)
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bugo

Quote from: Mapmikey on December 17, 2014, 10:06:45 PM
Quote from: bugo on December 17, 2014, 09:43:52 PM
Quote from: Mapmikey on December 17, 2014, 06:39:09 AM
There is an unposted Business/Bypass US 17 (explicit in traffic logs) at Cosners Corner near Fredericksburg.  There are zero people living there.

What streets does the business route run on?

VDOT calls it Mill Rd (not to be confused with Mills Dr).  In this link - https://goo.gl/maps/6ZnJi - VDOt considers Mills Dr to be mainline 17.  The north leg of the triangle is US 17 Business, which is partially one-way NB and the nB is the signed way for mainline US 17 to go to US 1 and beyond.  VDOT considers the shorter N-S road connecting them as US 17 ALT.

None of it makes sense and it demonstrates to me VDOT does not want new Y routes.

Mapmikey

That's silly.

triplemultiplex

Bruce, WI in Rusk County has a small bypass for WI 40 and a signed business route.
2010 population for Bruce is 779.
That's as low as we go in WI.
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Scott5114

Glenrio, TX-NM has a business spur (BS I-40) and a bypass (I-40) and a population of 0.

Winner?
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Road Hog

Floyd, TX (unincorporated) has a Business US 380 that follows the old route when the new divided 380 bypass was built a few years ago.

NE2

Quote from: Road Hog on December 19, 2014, 03:00:40 PM
Floyd, TX (unincorporated) has a Business US 380 that follows the old route when the new divided 380 bypass was built a few years ago.
And an older alignment that US 380 Biz was removed from when the bypass was built. The Handbook of Texas says population 220, more then Heidenheimer (144) and way more than Glenrio (Handbook says 5).
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mjb2002

Springfield has a Business S.C. Route 3, although I know that they have less than 500 people now (the town did have 504 people in 2000).



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