Inverted SPUIs?

Started by bugo, April 08, 2015, 07:08:29 AM

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bugo

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single-point_urban_interchange#Inverted_SPUI

I call these X interchanges because the ramps form an X. The X interchange has left exits and left entrances for each ramp, and they all meet in the middle to form an at grade intersection. I-244, the Left Exit Expressway, has two. Wikipedia also mentions X interchanges in North Carolina and Illinois. What was the first X/inverted SPUI interchange built in the US? The Tulsa examples in the article were built in 1967.


Stephane Dumas

I don't know what was the first but there another one in Philadelphia on I-76 at South Street Exit. http://goo.gl/maps/GylJK

NE2

Wacker at Monroe (no longer exists), built ca. 1950 (45 seconds into the video):

I don't know when Monroe became one-way eastbound.

The West Side Elevated Highway in NYC (1930s) had two interchanges like this, but spread out over several blocks.
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tradephoric

Inverted SPUI... another great progression killing interchange.  ;-)

Mapmikey

Quote from: bugo on April 08, 2015, 07:08:29 AM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single-point_urban_interchange#Inverted_SPUI

I call these X interchanges because the ramps form an X. The X interchange has left exits and left entrances for each ramp, and they all meet in the middle to form an at grade intersection. I-244, the Left Exit Expressway, has two. Wikipedia also mentions X interchanges in North Carolina and Illinois. What was the first X/inverted SPUI interchange built in the US? The Tulsa examples in the article were built in 1967.

The North Carolina example (I-73/74 at NC 42) opened about 1966.

Mapmikey

Brandon

Quote from: NE2 on April 08, 2015, 09:21:15 AM
Wacker at Monroe (no longer exists), built ca. 1950 (45 seconds into the video):

I don't know when Monroe became one-way eastbound.

Sometime in the 1960s, IIRC.  Also, IIRC, there was one at Wacker and Randolph.  Both are now just one direction, one-way ramps.
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Brandon

Quote from: tradephoric on April 08, 2015, 09:37:25 AM
Inverted SPUI... another great progression killing interchange.  ;-)

Especially along the expressway itself.  The two along the Eisenhower Expressway (I-290) at Harlem (IL-43) and Austin are the cause of massive backups in during the rush and even off-peak times.  I believe both were built in the 1960s with that section of the Ike.
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NE2

Quote from: tradephoric on April 08, 2015, 09:37:25 AM
Inverted SPUI... another great progression killing interchange.  ;-)
If an inverted SPUI kills your precious progression, so does every fucking four-way intersection.
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tradephoric

Quote from: NE2 on April 08, 2015, 10:02:22 AM
Quote from: tradephoric on April 08, 2015, 09:37:25 AM
Inverted SPUI... another great progression killing interchange.  ;-)
If an inverted SPUI kills your precious progression, so does every fucking four-way intersection.

Easy big fella.  You don't have to get so worked up over something as mundane as signal progression. 

NE2

I'm a dwarf, you insensitive clod.
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Brandon

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"Symbolic of his struggle against reality." - Reg, "Monty Python's Life of Brian"

Bickendan

Quote from: Brandon on April 08, 2015, 10:48:35 AM
Quote from: NE2 on April 08, 2015, 10:29:22 AM
I'm a dwarf, you insensitive clod.

OK, midget.  :-P
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PHLBOS

I-76/South Street Interchange in Philadelphia

Originally built in the 1950s with the much of the on/off ramps reconstructed within the last decade as part of the South Street Bridge replacement project.
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Brandon

Quote from: PHLBOS on April 08, 2015, 12:36:05 PM
I-76/South Street Interchange in Philadelphia

Originally built in the 1950s with the much of the on/off ramps reconstructed within the last decade as part of the South Street Bridge replacement project.

The Schuylkill Expressway has got to be one of the most diabolical open-air torture chambers ever designed by man.  Lanes that end and begin at random, with them exiting and entering on both sides - lose a right lane, and gain a left, wash, rinse, and repeat at the next interchange, then reverse it a half-mile later.
"If you think this has a happy ending, you haven't been paying attention." - Ramsay Bolton, "Game of Thrones"

"Symbolic of his struggle against reality." - Reg, "Monty Python's Life of Brian"

jeffandnicole

Quote from: Brandon on April 08, 2015, 12:41:50 PM
Quote from: PHLBOS on April 08, 2015, 12:36:05 PM
I-76/South Street Interchange in Philadelphia

Originally built in the 1950s with the much of the on/off ramps reconstructed within the last decade as part of the South Street Bridge replacement project.

The Schuylkill Expressway has got to be one of the most diabolical open-air torture chambers ever designed by man.  Lanes that end and begin at random, with them exiting and entering on both sides - lose a right lane, and gain a left, wash, rinse, and repeat at the next interchange, then reverse it a half-mile later.

Normal people weave in and out on the Schuykill at about 14 lane changes per mile, and don't notice the above.   :)

Brandon

Quote from: jeffandnicole on April 08, 2015, 12:43:19 PM
Quote from: Brandon on April 08, 2015, 12:41:50 PM
Quote from: PHLBOS on April 08, 2015, 12:36:05 PM
I-76/South Street Interchange in Philadelphia

Originally built in the 1950s with the much of the on/off ramps reconstructed within the last decade as part of the South Street Bridge replacement project.

The Schuylkill Expressway has got to be one of the most diabolical open-air torture chambers ever designed by man.  Lanes that end and begin at random, with them exiting and entering on both sides - lose a right lane, and gain a left, wash, rinse, and repeat at the next interchange, then reverse it a half-mile later.

Normal people weave in and out on the Schuykill at about 14 lane changes per mile, and don't notice the above.   :)

So I noticed it when I drove it once back in September.  :-o
"If you think this has a happy ending, you haven't been paying attention." - Ramsay Bolton, "Game of Thrones"

"Symbolic of his struggle against reality." - Reg, "Monty Python's Life of Brian"

myosh_tino

One of the options being considered for improving Lawrence Expressway in Sunnyvale, CA looks to be using inverted SPUIs at major cross streets...

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jakeroot

Quote from: myosh_tino on April 08, 2015, 03:10:15 PM
One of the options being considered for improving Lawrence Expressway in Sunnyvale, CA looks to be using inverted SPUIs at major cross streets...

I hope that's a joke.

EDIT: Oh good grief, it's real. To quote many others before me, "what is Caltrans smoking?"

briantroutman

I suppose nearly all inverted (left enter/exit)diamonds could be considered "inverted SPUIs" . The four ramps will naturally meet at a single point unless the median is incredibly wide.

But do any inverted SPUIs preserve the continuous or semi-continuous right turns allowed by standard SPUIs?

NE2

Quote from: jakeroot on April 08, 2015, 05:44:55 PM
EDIT: Oh good grief, it's real. To quote many others before me, "what is Caltrans smoking?"
What does Caltrans have to do with it?
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jakeroot

Quote from: NE2 on April 08, 2015, 06:10:53 PM
Quote from: jakeroot on April 08, 2015, 05:44:55 PM
EDIT: Oh good grief, it's real. To quote many others before me, "what is Caltrans smoking?"

What does Caltrans have to do with it?

Uninformed Seattleite is uninformed.

What is Santa Clara County smoking!?

mapman1071

Arizona has one:
Loop 101 Agua Fria Freeway HOV +2 <6-9am 4-6pm> (Left) Exit 7A Maryland Avenue.

myosh_tino

Quote from: jakeroot on April 08, 2015, 09:46:04 PM
Quote from: NE2 on April 08, 2015, 06:10:53 PM
Quote from: jakeroot on April 08, 2015, 05:44:55 PM
EDIT: Oh good grief, it's real. To quote many others before me, "what is Caltrans smoking?"

What does Caltrans have to do with it?

Uninformed Seattleite is uninformed.

What is Santa Clara County smoking!?

It kind of makes sense to me.

To build a typical diamond interchange would require the acquisition of a significant amount of land around each proposed interchange, most of which are business parks and retail shopping centers.  The use of the inverted SPUI and the elimination of one of the four travel lanes in each direction would cut down on the amount of additional land needed and thus keep costs down.
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bugo

Quote from: Brandon on April 08, 2015, 12:41:50 PM
Quote from: PHLBOS on April 08, 2015, 12:36:05 PM
I-76/South Street Interchange in Philadelphia

Originally built in the 1950s with the much of the on/off ramps reconstructed within the last decade as part of the South Street Bridge replacement project.

The Schuylkill Expressway has got to be one of the most diabolical open-air torture chambers ever designed by man.  Lanes that end and begin at random, with them exiting and entering on both sides - lose a right lane, and gain a left, wash, rinse, and repeat at the next interchange, then reverse it a half-mile later.

Sounds a lot like I-244.



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