There was a brief period–from 3 January to 20 August 1959–when there were 49 states: Alaska way up north and “The Lower 48”. But after that, the other 48 were no longer “lower” than both of the other two. And yet the phrase “The Lower 48” is still pret

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briantroutman

There was a brief period–from 3 January to 20 August 1959–when there were 49 states: Alaska way up north and "The Lower 48" . But after that, the other 48 were no longer "lower"  than both of the other two. And yet the phrase "The Lower 48"  is still pretty common today. How could a phrase become so popular in a little over seven months' time that it would still be with us half a century later?

I've never seen a satisfactory explanation.


Molandfreak

I guess it's more catchy than "contiguous 48."

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signalman

I always say the contiguous 48 when referring to the states besides Alaska and Hawaii.  I know that I am certainly in the minority, but I'm used to being in that position.  It's not the only topic that I stand alone, or among a very small crowd on.

jeffandnicole

I'll use the mainland if I'm in Hawai'i, but otherwise I don't give it much thought.

I guess 'the lower 48' is accurate though.  They're not 'the lowest 48', just lower. I guess 'the lowest 1' never caught on for Hawai'i!!

DandyDan

The thing about Hawaii is it is so far off the mainland it's almost like another country (and it used to be another country).  Alaska is at least part of North America.
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hbelkins

Some people use "the continental United States" to describe the 48 contiguous states, which is just as inaccurate as "the lower 48" when you think about it.
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Brandon

"Lower 48" makes perfect sense from an Alaskan perspective, IMHO.
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empirestate

I would guess that, as Alaska was gearing up for statehood in 1959, the term "lower 48" became prominent in the press of the day, as the need arose for a distinguishing term between this new, non-contiguous state and the rest of them.

With Hawaii's statehood then following so closely afterwards, the Alaska-relevant term probably just carried on into everyday usage.

kkt

From the Alaskan point of view The Lower 48 clearly means the contiguous states.  Hawaii is The Lower 1.  (Or the southernmost Aleutian island.)

hotdogPi

Are these counted in the "contiguous" United States? What about the "mainland"?

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SSOWorld

Quote from: 1 on May 20, 2015, 09:20:00 PM
Are these counted in the "contiguous" United States? What about the "mainland"?

Northwest Angle, MN
Nantucket, MA
Martha's Vineyard, MA
San Juan Islands, WA
Key West, FL
Thousand Islands, NY
Channel Islands, CA ;)
Isle Royale, MI :P
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oscar

Quote from: SSOWorld on May 20, 2015, 09:29:47 PM
Quote from: 1 on May 20, 2015, 09:20:00 PM
Are these counted in the "contiguous" United States? What about the "mainland"?

Northwest Angle, MN
Nantucket, MA
Martha's Vineyard, MA
San Juan Islands, WA
Key West, FL
Thousand Islands, NY
Channel Islands, CA ;)
Isle Royale, MI :P

All part of one or another of the contiguous states, even if they would not be contiguous if they were separate states.

As for "mainland", Hawaiians don't distinguish offshore islands (which include California's inhabited Santa Catalina Island) from the rest of the mainland states. I'm not sure how they regard Alaska, other than as a prime source for winter tourists. :)
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kkt

Quote from: 1 on May 20, 2015, 09:20:00 PM
Are these counted in the "contiguous" United States? What about the "mainland"?

Northwest Angle, MN
Nantucket, MA
Martha's Vineyard, MA
San Juan Islands, WA
Key West, FL
Thousand Islands, NY

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Henry

I like Lower 48, mainly because it's easy to remember that AK and HI are separate from the rest of the nation.
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kkt

Hawaii should call them the Upper 48.

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Brandon

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vdeane

Quote from: 1 on May 20, 2015, 09:20:00 PM
Are these counted in the "contiguous" United States? What about the "mainland"?

Northwest Angle, MN
Nantucket, MA
Martha's Vineyard, MA
San Juan Islands, WA
Key West, FL
Thousand Islands, NY
Those are all contiguous, just over water instead of land.  Meanwhile, Hawaii is surrounded by international water, and one has to pass though either the Canadian mainland, Canadian territorial waters, or international waters to get to Alaska.
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triplemultiplex

To be precise, one should use the term "48 conterminous states".
"Conterminous" meaning "to share a common boundary."
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jakeroot

Quote from: triplemultiplex on May 22, 2015, 01:28:34 PM
To be precise, one should use the term "48 conterminous states".
"Conterminous" meaning "to share a common boundary."

Contiguous and conterminous are really the same thing, but the definition of contiguous is a bit looser than conterminous (contiguous can include things nearby, and depending on your definition of "near", you could include Alaska in the contiguous US). Thus, indeed, conterminous is a safer word but contiguous isn't immediately wrong.

SSOWorld

Quote from: Molandfreak on May 21, 2015, 12:49:44 PM
Quote from: SSOWorld on May 20, 2015, 09:29:47 PM
Quote from: 1 on May 20, 2015, 09:20:00 PM
Are these counted in the "contiguous" United States? What about the "mainland"?

Northwest Angle, MNa
Nantucket, MA
Martha's Vineyard, MA
San Juan Islands, WA
Key West, FL
Thousand Islands, NY
Channel Islands, CA ;)
Isle Royale, MI :P
If we're counting Isle Royale, MadisonMadeline Island (the inhabited Apostle Island) should count, too. Not to mention Washington Island, Mackinac Island, etc...

Heck, there's even one or two inhabited islands near Red Wing, MN that aren't accessible by car.

But these are no doubt part of the continental U.S. because they are just islands in an inland lake or river.

Key West is accessible by car/foot (most of the time) so it counts by proxy.


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Scott O.

Not all who wander are lost...
Ah, the open skies, wind at my back, warm sun on my... wait, where the hell am I?!
As a matter of fact, I do own the road.
Raise your what?

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vtk

From the perspective of the Indian Ocean and its surroundings, the direction of "up" makes Alaska and Hawaii the highest two states, so the rest are indeed the "lower 48".
Wait, it's all Ohio? Always has been.

hotdogPi

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MA 22, 35, 40, 53, 79, 107, 109, 126, 138, 141, 151, 159
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J N Winkler

Quote from: vdeane on May 21, 2015, 09:12:26 PMThose are all contiguous, just over water instead of land.  Meanwhile, Hawaii is surrounded by international water, and one has to pass though either the Canadian mainland, Canadian territorial waters, or international waters to get to Alaska.

I would count all of those minor islands and exclaves as part of the contiguous 48, or the lower 48, on the basis that their separation from the mainland is not great.  In the case of the Northwest Angle, it is possible to have a quibble on the "territorial waters" aspect since while the US considers the waters surrounding the Northwest Angle to be its territorial waters, Canada maintains that they are international waters.  This is (per Wikipedia) one of the few remaining boundary disputes between the US and Canada.
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