Goodbye Mount McKinley. Hello Mount Denali

[empirestate]

Geez, first the name, then the next thing you know they're gonna decide it's shorter than we always thought!

Oh, wait...


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[Mr. Matté]

McKinley is a fine name for a bridge, but it does not have the right...ring to it for a mountain.

Ironically, the only major "McKinley Bridge" in the U.S. isn't named for the (future) President either.

[hbelkins]

It wasn't a matter of pro-sex or anti-sex, it was a matter of sex being nobody's business but the people involved.  The Republicans spent, what, 40 million dollars that was supposed to be investigating any possible illegality in the Clinton's land deals, and all they could find out was that he got a blow job?

Nice simplistic frequently-used liberal talking point, but that's not what happened at all. Clinton had been sued for sexual harassment by an Arkansas state employee for an incident that happened when he was governor. During depositions for the case, Clinton committed perjury when asked about his involvement or activities with other subordinate employees. The impeachment wasn't about sex, it was about perjury and obstruction of justice.

It should also be noted that he had his license to practice law suspended over that as well.

[Duke87]

K2

Is not located in an English-speaking country, so English language naming convention does not apply. I don't complain about Aconcagua Either.

Denali is an aboriginal word.

As are a lot words used in names that still follow English convention. Like Lake Okeechobee or Connecticut River. 

[Bruce]

K2

Is not located in an English-speaking country, so English language naming convention does not apply. I don't complain about Aconcagua Either.

It was, however, named by an Englishman. And Pakistan's second official language is English.

[Otto Yamamoto]

Bill Clinton received a blow job from Monica Lewinski and every post hippie liberal considered him to be a hero just for that particular act

Name five people who consider him to be a hero just for that particular act.

The minute I hear 'liberal', it's pretty much a given that you are the Babylon.

I lived in the day when that scandal came out and when he was acquitted for his ordeal, many people at the time who were pro sex (meaning the sexual revolution supporters which came from the Vietnam war protests) were happy not because he was allowed to stay in office, but because they felt that oral sex finally got accepted and that we as a culture should accept open relationships like the Clintons have.

I had to deal with them at work, at a club I once belonged too.  Yes, people were saying "all right" and cheering him on for able to be allowed to get away from the taboo that religion has placed on sex before marriage and all the stuff that many hate the church's teaching on for decades.  As far as the use of the term liberals goes its a group that protests against tradition as conservatives are those who protect what is established.  As we know there are conservatives, liberals, moderates, and other inbetween words to describe people.  The Hippie movement was big and it did a lot for society as many things did change over the years like the removal of censorship and the latest same sex marriage and the removal of the mental illness that was placed on gay lifestyles at one time!

This thread seems to point out what Bandit Darvil said in Smokey And The Bandit to his girlfriend Carrie, "it all depends on what part of the country you are standing in is to how dumb you are."  It seems we all believe in what we are taught in our own area as the norm not realizing that other areas teach something completely different like the name of a mountain.

Well, that was rambly. Whatever. Any opinion I have of Clinton, or any other politician is based on the policies they enacted. His actions with another consenting adult, however indiscreet, don't enter into it; never mind making him some sort of hero of the sexual revolution.

[Otto Yamamoto]

many people at the time who were pro sex (meaning the sexual revolution supporters which came from the Vietnam war protests)

That would make you...anti-sex?

As

Bill Clinton received a blow job from Monica Lewinski and every post hippie liberal considered him to be a hero just for that particular act

Name five people who consider him to be a hero just for that particular act.

The minute I hear 'liberal', it's pretty much a given that you are the Babylon.

As a general rule, I'm pro-sex. But I'm not 'liberal', and not overly fond of hippies.

[jakeroot]

Denali is an aboriginal word.

As are a lot words used in names that still follow English convention. Like Lake Okeechobee or Connecticut River.

These are the official languages of Alaska:

English, Inupiaq, Siberian Yupik, Central Alaskan Yup'ik, Alutiiq, Unangan, Dena'ina, Deg Xinag, Holikachuk, Koyukon, Upper Kuskokwim, Gwich'in, Tanana, Upper Tanana, Tanacross, Hän, Ahtna, Eyak, Tlingit, Haida, Tsimshian

I've highlighted the language that Denali is of. There is no reason they should have to follow "English" naming conventions when Koyukon is as much of an official language as English. As well, the argument cannot be extended to the federal level as English is not an official language in the US.

[Otto Yamamoto]

It wasn't a matter of pro-sex or anti-sex, it was a matter of sex being nobody's business but the people involved.  The Republicans spent, what, 40 million dollars that was supposed to be investigating any possible illegality in the Clinton's land deals, and all they could find out was that he got a blow job?

40 mil for a hummer, 40 zillion(on credit) for a useless war. And a few bucks on a Made in the USA Gestapo. Still trying to work out how any of this is relevant to my interests.

[yanksfan6129]

It wasn't a matter of pro-sex or anti-sex, it was a matter of sex being nobody's business but the people involved.  The Republicans spent, what, 40 million dollars that was supposed to be investigating any possible illegality in the Clinton's land deals, and all they could find out was that he got a blow job?

Nice simplistic frequently-used liberal talking point, but that's not what happened at all. Clinton had been sued for sexual harassment by an Arkansas state employee for an incident that happened when he was governor. During depositions for the case, Clinton committed perjury when asked about his involvement or activities with other subordinate employees. The impeachment wasn't about sex, it was about perjury and obstruction of justice.

It should also be noted that he had his license to practice law suspended over that as well.

You are both wrong and right, although I'd say more wrong than anything else. Yes, the independent counsel Starr was investigating a number of accusations regarding Bill Clinton (none of which have ever been substantiated), but he came across information about a sexual encounter with Lewinsky. He decided to ask Clinton about this - this specifically - during depositions.

It was absolutely improper to ask during a deposition about consensual sexual activity, regardless of whether it is morally abhorrent. If Clinton perjured, it's because he was set up. You're right that it wasn't about sex. It was about politics. They attempted to get him to perjure about something they had no business asking him about. His consensual sexual activity was none of their business, and they conjured up the perjury charge.

/sorry I went off topic, but I didn't want to let HB get away with that.

BTW - I support the restoration of Denali's original and rightful name.

[corco]

Without getting too far into politics- I am a fan of Bill Clinton. Bill Clinton receiving head from a White House intern is absolutely not conduct that is befitting of the President of the United States and I think that's a significant black mark against him. From my perspective, Bill Clinton's actual accomplishments that are directly related to his duties as a President outweigh that, and so I like Bill Clinton.

[Otto Yamamoto]

It wasn't a matter of pro-sex or anti-sex, it was a matter of sex being nobody's business but the people involved.  The Republicans spent, what, 40 million dollars that was supposed to be investigating any possible illegality in the Clinton's land deals, and all they could find out was that he got a blow job?

Nice simplistic frequently-used liberal talking point, but that's not what happened at all. Clinton had been sued for sexual harassment by an Arkansas state employee for an incident that happened when he was governor. During depositions for the case, Clinton committed perjury when asked about his involvement or activities with other subordinate employees. The impeachment wasn't about sex, it was about perjury and obstruction of justice.

It should also be noted that he had his license to practice law suspended over that as well.

So the impeachment was for something that happened prior to his presidency. Glad to know the 'fiscally responsible' crew were spending the money I earn for such important issues.

[Duke87]

These are the official languages of Alaska:

{long ass list}

Wait, seriously? *googles*

Huh, it appears the state went and made all those languages official last year.

[spooky]

See what you started, Obama?

http://www.concordmonitor.com/home/18438045-95/online-petition-asks-white-house-to-rename-mt-washington

[Pete from Boston]

These are the official languages of Alaska:

{long ass list}

Wait, seriously? *googles*

Huh, it appears the state went and made all those languages official last year.

Not even a token nod to Russian.

[oscar]

These are the official languages of Alaska:

{long ass list}

Wait, seriously? *googles*

Huh, it appears the state went and made all those languages official last year.

Not even a token nod to Russian.

There are some small Russian-speaking communities in Alaska, especially on the west side of the Kenai Peninsula. And there are quite a few Russian Orthodox churches scattered all along Alaska's south coast, from Unalaska to Sitka.

Certainly there are many more Alaskans who speak Russian than Eyak, one of Alaska's official languages, which became officially dead after the last native speaker of that language passed away (though since some guy from France later inexplicably took up Eyak, and is trying to bring it back, it was upgraded to "dormant").

[jeffandnicole]

These are the official languages of Alaska:

{long ass list}

Wait, seriously? *googles*

Huh, it appears the state went and made all those languages official last year.

Not even a token nod to Russian.

There are some small Russian-speaking communities in Alaska, especially on the west side of the Kenai Peninsula. And there are quite a few Russian Orthodox churches scattered all along Alaska's south coast, from Unalaska to Sitka.

Certainly there are many more Alaskans who speak Russian than Eyak, one of Alaska's official languages, which is officially dead now that the last person who spoke that language passed away.

I wonder if he talked to himself a lot in those final years.  It's not like others would know what he was saying. 

[Pete from Boston]

These are the official languages of Alaska:

{long ass list}

Wait, seriously? *googles*

Huh, it appears the state went and made all those languages official last year.

Not even a token nod to Russian.

There are some small Russian-speaking communities in Alaska, especially on the west side of the Kenai Peninsula. And there are quite a few Russian Orthodox churches scattered all along Alaska's south coast, from Unalaska to Sitka.

Certainly there are many more Alaskans who speak Russian than Eyak, one of Alaska's official languages, which became officially dead after the last native speaker of that language passed away (though since some guy from France later inexplicably took up Eyak, and is trying to bring it back, it was upgraded to "dormant").

There is an Orthodox church around here called St. Herman of Alaska, a small reminder of that state's Russian past.

[vtk]

K2

You sank my battleship!

Seriously, I think that is a translingually weird name for a mountain, and I'm going to read about its origin now...

...fair enough.

[hbelkins]

So the impeachment was for something that happened prior to his presidency. Glad to know the 'fiscally responsible' crew were spending the money I earn for such important issues.

No, and I know that you know that. His perjury and obstruction of justice occurred while he was president. The incident that precipitated the court case occurred prior to his presidency, but his impeachable offense took place while he was president.

[Rothman]

So the impeachment was for something that happened prior to his presidency. Glad to know the 'fiscally responsible' crew were spending the money I earn for such important issues.

No, and I know that you know that. His perjury and obstruction of justice occurred while he was president. The incident that precipitated the court case occurred prior to his presidency, but his impeachable offense took place while he was president.

...which, in the end, went kaput.  The whole effort was a waste.

Hehehehe...

[kkt]

So the impeachment was for something that happened prior to his presidency. Glad to know the 'fiscally responsible' crew were spending the money I earn for such important issues.

No, and I know that you know that. His perjury and obstruction of justice occurred while he was president. The incident that precipitated the court case occurred prior to his presidency, but his impeachable offense took place while he was president.

What obstruction of justice?  He was covering up an affair between consenting adults, not a crime.  Having had an affair, his only honorable course was to protect his partner.  Not an impeachable offense, in my opinion and more importantly in the opinion of the Senate.

[Otto Yamamoto]

So the impeachment was for something that happened prior to his presidency. Glad to know the 'fiscally responsible' crew were spending the money I earn for such important issues.

No, and I know that you know that. His perjury and obstruction of justice occurred while he was president. The incident that precipitated the court case occurred prior to his presidency, but his impeachable offense took place while he was president.

Yeah, and I probably care more about wax paper at this juncture.

[Brandon]

So the impeachment was for something that happened prior to his presidency. Glad to know the 'fiscally responsible' crew were spending the money I earn for such important issues.

No, and I know that you know that. His perjury and obstruction of justice occurred while he was president. The incident that precipitated the court case occurred prior to his presidency, but his impeachable offense took place while he was president.

What obstruction of justice?  He was covering up an affair between consenting adults, not a crime.  Having had an affair, his only honorable course was to protect his partner.  Not an impeachable offense, in my opinion and more importantly in the opinion of the Senate.

The crime was the perjury.  Or is it OK for people to perjure themselves under oath?  Such as the Glenview police officers who've been suspended for doing just that, perjury.  If it's OK for President Clinton to commit perjury, then it's obviously OK for a police officer to commit it as well.

[roadman65]

So the impeachment was for something that happened prior to his presidency. Glad to know the 'fiscally responsible' crew were spending the money I earn for such important issues.

No, and I know that you know that. His perjury and obstruction of justice occurred while he was president. The incident that precipitated the court case occurred prior to his presidency, but his impeachable offense took place while he was president.

What obstruction of justice?  He was covering up an affair between consenting adults, not a crime.  Having had an affair, his only honorable course was to protect his partner.  Not an impeachable offense, in my opinion and more importantly in the opinion of the Senate.

The crime was the perjury.  Or is it OK for people to perjure themselves under oath?  Such as the Glenview police officers who've been suspended for doing just that, perjury.  If it's OK for President Clinton to commit perjury, then it's obviously OK for a police officer to commit it as well.

Well said on that one.

My point about Bill Clinton was from what happened during the revolution started with the Vietnam War.  Now in no way am I saying here that I am for modern pre-marital sex or old style wait till you are married relationships, but people did make it out to be about the sexual revolution.  People who were on Clinton's side were saying it was the Right going after sex, while making out his acquittal to be a victory for that he won the right to have sex with whomever he pleases and whenever he pleases a big victory for the revolution.  That is why I said he was hero as the actions of the people made the whole ordeal about the affair with Monica and not perjury like it was.