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Ohio route icon versus actual state outline
« on: August 18, 2016, 11:16:20 AM »

Can someone link me to an image or page describing how the Ohio route icon doesn't conform to the actual outline of the state? Using this in a blog post. Thanks.
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Re: Ohio route icon versus actual state outline
« Reply #1 on: August 18, 2016, 12:45:22 PM »

Well, that's not the only state whose outline signs don't conform to the actual shape. FWIW, the ones in AL, AZ, AR, GA and MO definitely don't.
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Re: Ohio route icon versus actual state outline
« Reply #2 on: August 18, 2016, 01:36:00 PM »

There's nearly conforming to the state shape, then there's this:



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Re: Ohio route icon versus actual state outline
« Reply #3 on: August 18, 2016, 02:09:32 PM »

Well, that's not the only state whose outline signs don't conform to the actual shape. FWIW, the ones in AL, AZ, AR, GA and MO definitely don't.

Of course not the only one, but the first one I thought of here.

The post is a response to a guy who thinks we should change the "boot" icon to reflect uninhabitable area:

« Last Edit: August 18, 2016, 09:06:32 PM by jbnv »
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Re: Ohio route icon versus actual state outline
« Reply #4 on: August 18, 2016, 08:22:56 PM »



http://vidthekid.info/misc/shape-sr.html

The shape isn't supposed to match exactly; the deviations are probably intended to allow more room for a number.
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Re: Ohio route icon versus actual state outline
« Reply #5 on: August 18, 2016, 09:09:18 PM »

http://vidthekid.info/misc/shape-sr.html

The shape isn't supposed to match exactly; the deviations are probably intended to allow more room for a number.

Exactly. The deviation increases the room for the number, makes the symbol more square, and smooths out some of the jagged edges.
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Re: Ohio route icon versus actual state outline
« Reply #6 on: August 18, 2016, 11:04:48 PM »

Florida is missing most of the west coast! And for the past 30 years or so the Keys
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Re: Ohio route icon versus actual state outline
« Reply #7 on: August 19, 2016, 12:11:35 AM »



http://vidthekid.info/misc/shape-sr.html

The shape isn't supposed to match exactly; the deviations are probably intended to allow more room for a number.
Aren't there more recent Ohio shields that come closer to the actual shape?
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Re: Ohio route icon versus actual state outline
« Reply #8 on: August 20, 2016, 01:32:35 PM »

How many thousands of hours do you want a guy to cut a shape out of a piece of prismatic sheeting?  Jesus.

There's a noble phrase in the field of engineering, upon which all construction is based.  Without this motto, this rule #1, nothing would ever be accomplished, and the motto goes a little something like this:

"Good enough."

Rule number 2 of engineering is to always have duct tape.

They made Ohio a bit more square, it looks like.  That's what they did with South Dakota, which is much wider than the route shield implies.
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Re: Ohio route icon versus actual state outline
« Reply #9 on: August 20, 2016, 02:52:59 PM »

How many thousands of hours do you want a guy to cut a shape out of a piece of prismatic sheeting?  Jesus.

There's a noble phrase in the field of engineering, upon which all construction is based.  Without this motto, this rule #1, nothing would ever be accomplished, and the motto goes a little something like this:

"Good enough."

Rule number 2 of engineering is to always have duct tape.

They made Ohio a bit more square, it looks like.  That's what they did with South Dakota, which is much wider than the route shield implies.

Wow.  Ease up a little, man.  He just said he wanted to use the illustration in a blog post.  Have you read that blog post?  Does he even disagree with you?

Using this in a blog post. Thanks.
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Re: Ohio route icon versus actual state outline
« Reply #10 on: August 20, 2016, 04:29:59 PM »

I've seen some recent variations of the Ohio state route marker that look absolutely horrendous. I don't know if they are geographically correct or not, but they look awful when compared to the long-standing marker's appearance.

And then there are a few that are reversed.

State outline route markers are reason #1 why they should never be widened for three-digit routes, and instead a thinner font should be used and keep the markers square.
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Re: Ohio route icon versus actual state outline
« Reply #11 on: August 20, 2016, 08:43:38 PM »



http://vidthekid.info/misc/shape-sr.html

The shape isn't supposed to match exactly; the deviations are probably intended to allow more room for a number.
Aren't there more recent Ohio shields that come closer to the actual shape?

The Ohio Turnpike had one, in the shield gallery: http://shields.aaroads.com/show.php?image=OH19590801
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Re: Ohio route icon versus actual state outline
« Reply #12 on: August 21, 2016, 06:21:33 AM »



http://vidthekid.info/misc/shape-sr.html

The shape isn't supposed to match exactly; the deviations are probably intended to allow more room for a number.
Aren't there more recent Ohio shields that come closer to the actual shape?

There are many off-spec variants in the field. They do not represent a more recent standard; they're just off-spec. Notable variants include the geographically more accurate shape (apparently used by a few contractors and municipalities), the near-spec version from Wikipedia which was apparently based on a picture from OMUTCD that isn't meant to define the outline shape (District 5 seems to have picked that one up), and a sloppy clipart version (featured in the shield gallery as "2002 spec", probably just one contractor's version).
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Re: Ohio route icon versus actual state outline
« Reply #13 on: September 27, 2016, 09:12:12 PM »

As far as "Geographically correct" Ohio route shields, someone in ODOT had too much time on his hands one week.

This photo was taken in 2000(?), maybe earlier. The Oh 44 shield has since been replaced.
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Re: Ohio route icon versus actual state outline
« Reply #14 on: September 28, 2016, 01:55:02 AM »

The Michigan ones aren't even close.  :-D
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Re: Ohio route icon versus actual state outline
« Reply #15 on: October 04, 2016, 02:43:46 PM »

The Michigan ones aren't even close.  :-D

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Re: Ohio route icon versus actual state outline
« Reply #16 on: December 05, 2016, 04:10:31 PM »

I've seen some recent variations of the Ohio state route marker that look absolutely horrendous. I don't know if they are geographically correct or not, but they look awful when compared to the long-standing marker's appearance.


So you don't appreciate the artistic expression in something like this?  (Neither do I):




State outline route markers are reason #1 why they should never be widened for three-digit routes, and instead a thinner font should be used and keep the markers square.

I agree.  Plus, although somewhat OT and I'm sure Ohio isn't the only culprit, I hate it, hate it, hate it when they use oversized direction tabs with stretched three-digit route markers, especially when concurrent with one- or two-digit routes:


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Re: Ohio route icon versus actual state outline
« Reply #17 on: January 06, 2017, 12:13:14 PM »

I've seen some recent variations of the Ohio state route marker that look absolutely horrendous. I don't know if they are geographically correct or not, but they look awful when compared to the long-standing marker's appearance.


So you don't appreciate the artistic expression in something like this?  (Neither do I):




State outline route markers are reason #1 why they should never be widened for three-digit routes, and instead a thinner font should be used and keep the markers square.

I agree.  Plus, although somewhat OT and I'm sure Ohio isn't the only culprit, I hate it, hate it, hate it when they use oversized direction tabs with stretched three-digit route markers, especially when concurrent with one- or two-digit routes:



That could have been accomplished with a single pole and three signs...

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Re: Ohio route icon versus actual state outline
« Reply #18 on: January 08, 2017, 08:59:04 PM »

Chesapeake and Proctorville are in West Virginia though for all intents and purposes
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Re: Ohio route icon versus actual state outline
« Reply #19 on: January 17, 2017, 10:34:44 AM »

I actually like the ones with with a more geographically accurate outline
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Re: Ohio route icon versus actual state outline
« Reply #20 on: January 22, 2017, 03:43:48 PM »

I don't really care if the outline is geographically correct or not.

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Re: Ohio route icon versus actual state outline
« Reply #21 on: January 30, 2017, 04:30:58 PM »

Chesapeake and Proctorville are in West Virginia though for all intents and purposes

Thank you for wording that cliche in the correct way!  Everyone gets it wrong.

I don't really care if the outline is geographically correct or not.

And thank you, sir.  A voice of reason if ever there was one. (not sarcastic)
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