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[florida]

Few odds and ends......

• The new interchange at I-95 and Becker Road in Port St. Lucie is confirmed to be Exit 114, not 113 like some sources I have found. Our design office confirmed this.
• There was a proposed SR 881 in Boca Raton. Apparently, there was a proposal to bring the access road to the Boca Raton Airport on system, and 881 was the proposed number. I don't know what happened to the idea - some more paperwork will need to be dug up
• There appears to never have been a record of Palmetto Park Road in Boca Raton ever being SR 798. No records for SR 798 (or CR 798 for that matter) exist in FDOT's RCI. However, Palmetto Park Road from US 1 to A1A is in fact "secret" CR 808.
• Someone had asked a question about SR 710. It did have a former eastern terminus at US 1. However, it was transferred off system officially as of May 16, 2002, and was physically removed by the Port of Palm Beach.

Very interesting! I'm curious about SR 881. About SR/CR 798, FDOT county maps have had it shielded as a CR west to US 441, and I think I've got a map that shows it as an SR in a very short section east of I-95 (back in the 70s to early 80s).

Do you have any knowledge about "planning maps"? I have a set of maps for both primary and secondary systems which have planned and proposed routes along with maintained routes on them. They have a handwritten date stating, "Revised 11/28/87" (for example). There are also drawers full of maps of 4-di planned routes in the TSO in Tallahassee (and so many papers from the 1950s-1970s  ).

I gotta get a job at FDOT! 


For SR 30E, there should be just one reassurance shield for westbound, there was nothing at the western terminus, just a pavement change (as of '04).

[thomasvista]

I found out today that there is a secret route in Tallahassee........Raymond Diehl Rd between Thomasville Rd and Capital Circle is apparently SR 162, and was commissioned in August 2006. I can tell you that since that time, I never saw a shield along it's glorious 0.3 miles (I just moved from Tallahassee in May after living there for 7 years).

Capital Circle NE also has a couple of I-10 shields with the state's name on them. And SR 261 is signed (which is supposed to be secret), while US 319 plays second fiddle to it. District 3 seems be rather odd at times. Which would also explain the 30 and 30A saga.

[florida]

I found out today that there is a secret route in Tallahassee........Raymond Diehl Rd between Thomasville Rd and Capital Circle is apparently SR 162, and was commissioned in August 2006. I can tell you that since that time, I never saw a shield along it's glorious 0.3 miles (I just moved from Tallahassee in May after living there for 7 years).

Capital Circle NE also has a couple of I-10 shields with the state's name on them. And SR 261 is signed (which is supposed to be secret), while US 319 plays second fiddle to it. District 3 seems be rather odd at times. Which would also explain the 30 and 30A saga.

District 3 said SR 162 was (or maybe would be) signed. This was back in '06 or '07.

There were trailblazers for SR 261/US 319 on CR 151 NB before it was widened, there could still be some on SR 162, and there was a dual reassurance shield south of US 90 for US 319/SR 261. I miss Tallahassee, it was very scenic up there.

[FLRoads]

I found out today that there is a secret route in Tallahassee........Raymond Diehl Rd between Thomasville Rd and Capital Circle is apparently SR 162, and was commissioned in August 2006. I can tell you that since that time, I never saw a shield along it's glorious 0.3 miles (I just moved from Tallahassee in May after living there for 7 years).

Capital Circle NE also has a couple of I-10 shields with the state's name on them. And SR 261 is signed (which is supposed to be secret), while US 319 plays second fiddle to it. District 3 seems be rather odd at times. Which would also explain the 30 and 30A saga.

District 3 said SR 162 was (or maybe would be) signed. This was back in '06 or '07.

There were trailblazers for SR 261/US 319 on CR 151 NB before it was widened, there could still be some on SR 162, and there was a dual reassurance shield south of US 90 for US 319/SR 261. I miss Tallahassee, it was very scenic up there.

Well I was there in June and Florida 162 is not signed at this time. Most of the construction along at corridor was pretty much completed when I went through there and saw no indications for any signs. The only signs I saw were trailblazers for the 10 and the 319...

[lamsalfl]

Just got back from a few days in Panama City Beach. 

Both directions took I-10 from Alabama to Crestview.  SR 85 south to Niceville.  Then a combination of SR 20 and Toll SR 293 to US 98 to PCB.

Quick notes: 

Loved how Old 98 is fully signed as SR 30 in PCB. 
US 98 from Destin to PCB is a great high speed road. 
Took a side trip to Gulf County... Parked my car at the Bay/Gulf Coutny line on US 98 and walked back and forth of the beach watching my cell phone's time keep changing time zones.  Yeah, I'm a time zone geek.  SR 30A is a fun little highway.  It's amazing how quiet the Forgotten Coast really is. 

US 98 t hrough Panama City takes forever to get through.  It's like 12 miles from St. Andrews Bay to Tyndall.  US 98 is also a mess from Gulf Breeze through Destin.  It's time for the Tpk people to take a look at a building a toll road from Avalon Blvd. area to Panama City.  In fact, with a quick eye,  there appears to be a way to extend this Emerald Coast Tpk through PAnama City.  My little plan is to route it into the city by way of the airport since that is moving.  Then I snake it east and south through some undeveloped land and "cheap" property.  In Okaloosa and Walton it would have to be north of the Choctawhatchee Bay.

[florida]

Just got back from a few days in Panama City Beach. 


Loved how Old 98 is fully signed as SR 30 in PCB. 

So they did sign old Alt 98 as SR 30? Was wondering about that.

Well I was there in June and Florida 162 is not signed at this time. Most of the construction along at corridor was pretty much completed when I went through there and saw no indications for any signs. The only signs I saw were trailblazers for the 10 and the 319...

Maybe it'll be signed in the future 

(From an email to Tommie Speights):

"I was recently viewing the Fed-Aid Report and noticed that SR 162 (RaymondDiehl Road) has been added in Tallahassee. Is it signed or unsigned?

Signed"

Maybe he misunderstood the question? 

[Alex]

Just got back from a few days in Panama City Beach. 

Both directions took I-10 from Alabama to Crestview.  SR 85 south to Niceville.  Then a combination of SR 20 and Toll SR 293 to US 98 to PCB.

Did you note the new mast arms on SR 85 through Eglin AFB?

US 98 t hrough Panama City takes forever to get through.  It's like 12 miles from St. Andrews Bay to Tyndall. 

Did you note that they ripped out the remaining segments of the original truss bridge over the bay east of the Dupont Bridge? If you don't remember it, its pictured here: http://www.southeastroads.com/florida090/us-098_wb_dupont_br_02.jpg

So they did sign old Alt 98 as SR 30? Was wondering about that.

There is only one U.S. 98 Alt shield remaining, at the Publix shopping center by the west end. The rest is fully signed as SR 30 now, including overhead guide signage.

[FLRoads]

There is only one U.S. 98 Alt shield remaining, at the Publix shopping center by the west end. The rest is fully signed as SR 30 now, including overhead guide signage.

And I took several pictures of it while I sat in the Publix parking lot for two blistering hot hours while waiting for a tow truck a month ago!!

[FLRoads]

Did you note the new mast arms on SR 85 through Eglin AFB?

Alex, you are incorrect. They will be span wire. I first noticed the support structures for the span wire as I made my way up to Crestview a few weeks ago. The future signal will serve a new entrance for the Duke Field complex. Though I am not 100% sure if the signal will be flashing or phased.   

[florida]

Speaking of Niceville, what's the deal with SR 190 and SR 397? SR 190 is totally off the SHS, and so is SR 397 from SR 190 to SR 85.


And they're actually installing a span wire assembly in the Panhandle?? That must be one of the signs! 

[FLRoads]

Both routes are still fully signed (since I see them 5 days a week). That is interesting that both are off the SHS. Do you know how long they have been off the books?

And, yes, they are actually installing a span wire assembly up here. I think it will be a flasher though and not a full phased signal.

[thomasvista]

Both routes are still fully signed (since I see them 5 days a week). That is interesting that both are off the SHS. Do you know how long they have been off the books?

And, yes, they are actually installing a span wire assembly up here. I think it will be a flasher though and not a full phased signal.

I can check in our RCI system at work on Monday for official dates.

[lamsalfl]

Does anyone know if the 4-laning is complete on SR 60 from the Turnpike to I-95??

[florida]

Does anyone know if the 4-laning is complete on SR 60 from the Turnpike to I-95??

It has to be done, it's been about 4 years.


Went on a couple of road trips over the weekend to Melbourne and Lakeland.

Melbourne:
-US 192 is four-laned between St. Cloud and Melbourne. It bypasses the old alignment between Osceola CR 532 and CR 500A (Old Melbourne Hwy), and is a frontage road signed Alligator Lake West and Alligator Lake East with a break at a creek connecting Lake Lizzie and Alligator Lake. The bridge on the old alignment was dismantled and a pedestrian bridge was put in its place.
-The west end of the Pineda Causeway has been realigned at CR 509 and is shielded as a state route between CR 509 and US 1 (it previously was a county route). So...will it be state all the way to I-95? I assume it would since it will provide direct service to an AFB.
-There is still a cutout SR 404 shield on a BGS on SR 513 NB at the Pineda Causeway. The counterpart cutout SR 513 bgs shield on SR 404 has been replaced, probably after the '04 hurricanes.
-Only two shields for CR 511 were found, and CR 509 is only signed at US 192.
-SR 513 is being widened to add a center turn lane (it seems).
-There are old (non-keys) SR 518 shields on Pineapple Avenue south at Eau Gallie Blvd.
-A few intersections had "bee lights" on the span wires.
-Osceola CR 419 is one of the best signed routes in that county.

Lakeland:
-SR 548, the downtown bypass, is almost ready to open from US 98/Florida Ave to George Jenkins/Sloan Ave. It will have at-grade intersections with SR 563 just north of Peachtree Street and Lake Wire and SR 539 just north of SR 563, and be on a bridge over some railroad tracks. It would be nice if they signed it as SR 548 all the way to US 92 to get rid of that leg of SR 600.
-There is one colored shield left in a certain city in Polk County (last saw it in 2005). It is perplexing why they would have it at this certain intersection since it doesn't seem this road carried a state or county designation.
-There are still old overheads for US 17 on the old alignment through downtown Winter Haven.
-SR 655 is having some sort of construction on its northern terminus at US 92, so there are detour US 655 shields in place  Every. Single. One.
-SR 620 has two shields on its northern end with the split-off with SR 655. The south end is still signed as SR 655.
-Hillsborough CR 39A is signed as State Route 39A, reassurances and all from I-4 to about SR 574......are they redesignating it as an SR since it's a truck route bypassing downtown Plant City? It's not on the county road system anymore as per the 2008 FHD CD.
-CR 39B has two shields on its route. (I like suffixed routes.)
-Old SR 33 and old SR 600 in downtown Lakeland have streetscaping done, complete with those ugly brick crosswalks. But the trailblazers on US 92 have not been changed and still show SR 33 as going south.
-Even though US 98 has been moved off of Lake Parker, it is not signed as SR 700 unlike what they did in Brooksville.
-Offbeat, there's a picturesque view on Clubhouse Road looking EB.

[florida]

Some pictures:
US 192/US 441 EB at Old US 192/441, just after CR 532.



Looking WB on the old route, with the pedestrian bridge in place of a vehicular bridge.


WB at CR 500A, and Old US 192/441.


Old turn lanes for CR 500A on the old route


Kinda makes you glad they widened it.


CR 534 east at US 192/441, they realigned the routing from that nasty curve.


Holopaw, after the widening. The EB lanes (same direction of the camera shot) were the old roadbed.


This sign is so old, it doesn't even reflect headlights at night. If they didn't paste the "Eau Gallie Blvd" sticker on it, you would not have a working advance sign.


The new routing of the Pineda Causeway on CR 509.


Cutout BGS on SR 513.


Old SR 518 shields on Pineapple Ave. Why trailblazers on this road?


Just incase you forget which way to escape Melbourne.


State name shields on SR 519.


Barton Blvd west at SR 519. Again, why trailblazers here?


Michigan Ave west at SR 501. Third time, why a trailblazer here?


SR 546 does get recognition 


Is this one of the newest state routes to be added??


Yay for suffixed routes! (If only Bay County would sign theirs.)


Once upon a time, in a fictional land, US 55 did exist in Florida......and this is all that's left.


Nice of you to still be standing!




And the same for this!


SR 620 gets recognized after ~8 years.


For rickmastfan67, there's not really a break, if you don't consider it to be one 


And looking west at the almost-completed extension of SR 548.

[agentsteel53]

are there any new I-4 shields with state name?  I've seen them for just about every other route in Florida.  Also, any 110, 175, 375, 395?

[Alps]

are there any new I-4 shields with state name?  I've seen them for just about every other route in Florida.  Also, any 110, 175, 375, 395?

See the top of my I-4 page for one that's fairly new.

[agentsteel53]

you mean the one at the very top of the page? 

I know who put the state name on there.  It sure wasn't FDOT.  Note that it hangs crooked!

[florida]

None yet for I-4 unless work goes on at an interchange along it (not counting SR 44 because there haven't been any state name shields there since it was widened).

[Alps]

you mean the one at the very top of the page? 

I know who put the state name on there.  It sure wasn't FDOT.  Note that it hangs crooked!

Guess that answers that.  I've seen enough sloppy contractors to not be surprised though if it WERE original.

[Alex]

you mean the one at the very top of the page? 

I know who put the state name on there.  It sure wasn't FDOT.  Note that it hangs crooked!

Guess that answers that.  I've seen enough sloppy contractors to not be surprised though if it WERE original.

There's only one shield left of his work, and it is the last remaining I-110 with Florida in it.

The I-4 Florida shield mentioned above was moved one block away, then replaced completely by early last year.

[florida]

Even more changes! Just read an email from FDOT.

SR 366, SR 371, SR 157 have all been decommissioned east of the FSU stadium. SR 366 and SR 371 now end at the intersection where they meet, leaving SR 363 as the last 3-di route "serving" downtown Tallahassee.

SR 742 has been added to Hilburn Ave between Creighton and Burgess.

The US 1/Skypass Bridge over the Port of Palm Beach is now state maintained.

A couple sections of SR 44 in Volusia County have been physically removed (and thus, deleted), with another new section added. Even the old routing of SR 414 at US 441 has been deleted, its paltry 0.247 miles 

No sign of SR 190/397 or the new alignment of US 192/441 in the updated report. I'll have to ask about that.

[Alex]

Even more changes! Just read an email from FDOT.

SR 366, SR 371, SR 157 have all been decommissioned east of the FSU stadium. SR 366 and SR 371 now end at the intersection where they meet, leaving SR 363 as the last 3-di route "serving" downtown Tallahassee.

So SR 366 and 371 end at the stadium now? I liked the surface street routing of SR 371 and 366 east to downtown. Its hard to find downtown state highways anymore, so this is a bummer. SR 157's demise was pretty much necessary, since FSU redesigned some of their streets, severing the Woodward Avenue connection between SR 366 and U.S. 90.

SR 742 has been added to Hilburn Ave between Creighton and Burgess.

So the extension of Creighton west to Burgess is on hold indefinitely now?

A couple sections of SR 44 in Volusia County have been physically removed (and thus, deleted), with another new section added. Even the old routing of SR 414 at US 441 has been deleted, its paltry 0.247 miles 

This must refer to that section of old New York Avenue west of the revised Exit 118 interchange that was still in the state system as SR 44.

http://www.bing.com/maps/default.aspx?v=2&FORM=LMLTCP&cp=29.017673~-81.241643&style=h&lvl=15&tilt=-90&dir=0&alt=-1000&phx=0&phy=0&phscl=1&encType=1

[florida]

Even more changes! Just read an email from FDOT.

SR 366, SR 371, SR 157 have all been decommissioned east of the FSU stadium. SR 366 and SR 371 now end at the intersection where they meet, leaving SR 363 as the last 3-di route "serving" downtown Tallahassee.

So SR 366 and 371 end at the stadium now? I liked the surface street routing of SR 371 and 366 east to downtown. Its hard to find downtown state highways anymore, so this is a bummer. SR 157's demise was pretty much necessary, since FSU redesigned some of their streets, severing the Woodward Avenue connection between SR 366 and U.S. 90.

They were nice rides through downtown Tallahassee. And they do end at Stadium Drive and Lake Bradford intersection. Wish I could have seen the SR 366 bridge over the old RR tracks before they upgraded the stadium.

They weeded out SR 968 from downtown Miami, and killed its third leg in '06, SR 80 out of Fort Myers, SR 5 out of WPB. Tampa and Jacksonville haven't been that affected.

[thomasvista]

Even more changes! Just read an email from FDOT.

SR 366, SR 371, SR 157 have all been decommissioned east of the FSU stadium. SR 366 and SR 371 now end at the intersection where they meet, leaving SR 363 as the last 3-di route "serving" downtown Tallahassee.

SR 742 has been added to Hilburn Ave between Creighton and Burgess.

The US 1/Skypass Bridge over the Port of Palm Beach is now state maintained.

A couple sections of SR 44 in Volusia County have been physically removed (and thus, deleted), with another new section added. Even the old routing of SR 414 at US 441 has been deleted, its paltry 0.247 miles 

No sign of SR 190/397 or the new alignment of US 192/441 in the updated report. I'll have to ask about that.

The Skypass Bridge has been a source of contention at work at the FDOT District 4 planning office. We transferred the section of US 1 to the Port of Palm Beach back in 2001, but apparently it was forgotten that we were granted "air rights" - meaning that old, at-grade part of US 1 that is now used for port storage, belongs to the port, but the elevated structure that carries US 1 belongs to FDOT. I received a nice packet of documentation confirming this a couple of weeks ago, and we just updated our RCI database to re-add this mileage as part of US 1.

I am really surprised about the deletion of SR 366 in Tally. I knew 371 was transferred as part of the Gaines Street project that the city is doing (complete idiocy if you ask me, but that's another story).

We received confirmation last week that Wilton Manors is not interested in taking over their portion of SR 811. Once the proposal to transfer the road to them reached the City Manager's office, he killed it, giving lack of money of the city as the reason in the email correspondence. We are still actively pursuing the transfer of the remaining sections of 811, particularly to Broward County and Oakland Park.