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« Reply #100 on: April 06, 2018, 01:20:44 AM »

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« Reply #101 on: April 06, 2018, 02:11:11 AM »

I'm confused. If Sinclair owns everything, does that mean that MSNBC is now conservative instead of liberal?

MSNBC is very conservative, with the exception of a few journalists.

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Are you serious? If so, why did they so blatantly and transparently push the right-wing Hillary Clinton over the more left-leaning Bernie Sanders during the election? They didn't even hide the fact that they were pushing her to win. They told flat out lies and falsehoods in order to make her look like she was winning by a large margin when in reality it was very close.
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Re: Regional television markets
« Reply #102 on: April 06, 2018, 02:50:57 AM »

Are you serious? If so, why did they so blatantly and transparently push the right-wing Hillary Clinton over the more left-leaning Bernie Sanders during the election? They didn't even hide the fact that they were pushing her to win. They told flat out lies and falsehoods in order to make her look like she was winning by a large margin when in reality it was very close.

The right-wing media will do anything to destroy Bernie.
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Re: Regional television markets
« Reply #103 on: April 06, 2018, 02:59:42 AM »

I'm confused. If Sinclair owns everything, does that mean that MSNBC is now conservative instead of liberal?

MSNBC is very conservative, with the exception of a few journalists.

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What planet are you on?  'Cause it ain't here.
The only thing MSLSD is to the right of is CNN.  CNN was a trusted news source during the Gulf War.  Now itís so far to the left it might as well be  Pravda USA. 

Are you serious? If so, why did they so blatantly and transparently push the right-wing Hillary Clinton over the more left-leaning Bernie Sanders during the election? They didn't even hide the fact that they were pushing her to win. They told flat out lies and falsehoods in order to make her look like she was winning by a large margin when in reality it was very close.
Hillary was still an icon of the democrats and their politicians and MSNBC were defending her. MSNBC is pro establishment (normal democrat and republican leaders). Also, Hillary had views that were far more left than right.
The right-wing media will do anything to destroy Bernie.
Goes to my point of the establishment media in addition.


Lets also try to keep this from turning into a snowball fight so it doesn't come across as disrespectful to the moderators. I'm partially to blame here.
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Re: Regional television markets
« Reply #104 on: April 06, 2018, 09:52:58 AM »

Well back to regional tv markets and its owners at some point one is going to ask how is Sinclair  or other TV station owners not going to risk running into chapter 11. We seen this with radio station owners like Iheart and Cumulus though.
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Re: Regional television markets
« Reply #105 on: April 06, 2018, 11:32:00 AM »

Well back to regional tv markets and its owners at some point one is going to ask how is Sinclair  or other TV station owners not going to risk running into chapter 11. We seen this with radio station owners like Iheart and Cumulus though.

TV viewership isn't declining the way radio listenership is. Also, TV advertising is expensive. Stations make a killing on it. Even small-market stations charge war prices for a 30-second spot.

As for other points addressed upthread:

1.) Hillary Clinton right-wing? I got a good chuckle out of that.
2.) Bernie Sanders had no business running in a Democrat primary. He's not a Democrat. He's an Independent. I get upset when I hear anyone from any side -- Bernie supporters on the left and Hillary haters on the right -- say that he was cheated out of the nomination. He wasn't cheated out of anything. I would fully expect Democrat leadership to want their party to nominate a fellow Democrat, not an Independent.
3.) CNN was trusted? By whom? They were called the Clinton News Network back when Bill was president.
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« Reply #106 on: April 06, 2018, 11:38:45 AM »

1.) Hillary Clinton right-wing? I got a good chuckle out of that.

Compared to the rest of the developed world, our two parties are center-right and far-right. Hillary Clinton is on the left from a US perspective and the center-right from a world perspective.
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Re: Regional television markets
« Reply #107 on: April 06, 2018, 12:00:37 PM »

How this thread is developing: actual TV market talk > the Sinclair issue > political debate IMO.

As much as I want to comment further, I don't want to more political than I've already have.

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« Reply #108 on: April 06, 2018, 01:20:28 PM »

I prefer to use "conservative", "liberal", and "leftist" for that reason, to differentiate between US mainstream liberal and someone who would be considered on the left in the rest of the developed world.  While liberals and leftists share similar beliefs on social issues, the gap between them on economic and foreign policy issues can often be as wide if not wider than the gap between liberals and conservatives.

I did a search on the MSNBC thing last night after reading that comment, and it seems that newer management wants to move the network in a more conservative direction.  Of course, until the on-air talent changes, that probably won't be reflected much in the actual broadcasts of their main shows.
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Re: Regional television markets
« Reply #109 on: April 06, 2018, 02:03:48 PM »


I did a search on the MSNBC thing last night after reading that comment, and it seems that newer management wants to move the network in a more conservative direction.  Of course, until the on-air talent changes, that probably won't be reflected much in the actual broadcasts of their main shows.

I rarely watch cable news -- which will shock some who think I'm some sort of drooling Fox News sycophant -- but I haven't noticed much political slant in the regular news coverage of any of the cable channels.

Where you get that is in the commentary/opinion shows that run in prime time. I'm not even sure who is on Fox for all three hours; I know Tucker Carlson and Sean Hannity, who are both conservative, but not sure who occupies the third of those three hours. But years ago, accusing Fox of being right-wing was off base. Bill O'Reilly was hardly a conservative, despite what many said. He always struck me as a bit right-of-center moderate on most issues. "Hannity & Colmes" featured one conservative and one liberal. And Greta Van Susteren leaned left of center. As for MSNBC, Scarborough may be a former Republican officeholder, but he's no conservative. Matthews and Madcow are definitely liberals, and I couldn't tell you who the third prime-timer on MSNBC is.
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Re: Regional television markets
« Reply #110 on: April 06, 2018, 02:08:02 PM »

I'm confused. If Sinclair owns everything, does that mean that MSNBC is now conservative instead of liberal?

MSNBC is very conservative, with the exception of a few journalists.

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What planet are you on?  'Cause it ain't here.
The only thing MSLSD is to the right of is CNN.  CNN was a trusted news source during the Gulf War.  Now itís so far to the left it might as well be  Pravda USA. 

Are you serious? If so, why did they so blatantly and transparently push the right-wing Hillary Clinton over the more left-leaning Bernie Sanders during the election? They didn't even hide the fact that they were pushing her to win. They told flat out lies and falsehoods in order to make her look like she was winning by a large margin when in reality it was very close.
Hillary was still an icon of the democrats and their politicians and MSNBC were defending her. MSNBC is pro establishment (normal democrat and republican leaders). Also, Hillary had views that were far more left than right.
The right-wing media will do anything to destroy Bernie.
Goes to my point of the establishment media in addition.
Lets also try to keep this from turning into a snowball fight so it doesn't come across as disrespectful to the moderators. I'm partially to blame here.

You said "left" not "Democrat". The establishment Clintonian Democrats are not very far to the left. They're center-right at best. Bernie Sanders was the only true leftist running for president in 2016.
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« Reply #111 on: April 06, 2018, 02:09:17 PM »

1.) Hillary Clinton right-wing? I got a good chuckle out of that.

Compared to the rest of the developed world, our two parties are center-right and far-right. Hillary Clinton is on the left from a US perspective and the center-right from a world perspective.

+1. I've said that the Clintons were center-right all along.
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« Reply #112 on: April 06, 2018, 02:11:18 PM »


I did a search on the MSNBC thing last night after reading that comment, and it seems that newer management wants to move the network in a more conservative direction.  Of course, until the on-air talent changes, that probably won't be reflected much in the actual broadcasts of their main shows.

I rarely watch cable news -- which will shock some who think I'm some sort of drooling Fox News sycophant -- but I haven't noticed much political slant in the regular news coverage of any of the cable channels.

Where you get that is in the commentary/opinion shows that run in prime time. I'm not even sure who is on Fox for all three hours; I know Tucker Carlson and Sean Hannity, who are both conservative, but not sure who occupies the third of those three hours. But years ago, accusing Fox of being right-wing was off base. Bill O'Reilly was hardly a conservative, despite what many said. He always struck me as a bit right-of-center moderate on most issues. "Hannity & Colmes" featured one conservative and one liberal. And Greta Van Susteren leaned left of center. As for MSNBC, Scarborough may be a former Republican officeholder, but he's no conservative. Matthews and Madcow are definitely liberals, and I couldn't tell you who the third prime-timer on MSNBC is.

Colmes was set up to look weak against Hannity. He was a foil, a wimp, a cuck designed to make liberals look flaccid against the strong conservatives. I wouldn't be surprised if he were really a conservative pretending to be a "liberal".
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Re: Regional television markets
« Reply #113 on: April 06, 2018, 03:48:38 PM »

Colmes was set up to look weak against Hannity. He was a foil, a wimp, a cuck designed to make liberals look flaccid against the strong conservatives. I wouldn't be surprised if he were really a conservative pretending to be a "liberal".

No. He was the real deal liberal. I heard his radio show on occasion and there was nothing right-wing about his viewpoints. Your perception probably had more to do with his physical appearance than anything else.
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Re: Regional television markets
« Reply #114 on: April 06, 2018, 03:57:54 PM »



I'm confused. If Sinclair owns everything, does that mean that MSNBC is now conservative instead of liberal?

MSNBC is very conservative, with the exception of a few journalists.

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What planet are you on?  'Cause it ain't here.
The only thing MSLSD is to the right of is CNN.  CNN was a trusted news source during the Gulf War.  Now itís so far to the left it might as well be  Pravda USA. 

Are you serious? If so, why did they so blatantly and transparently push the right-wing Hillary Clinton over the more left-leaning Bernie Sanders during the election? They didn't even hide the fact that they were pushing her to win. They told flat out lies and falsehoods in order to make her look like she was winning by a large margin when in reality it was very close.
Hillary was still an icon of the democrats and their politicians and MSNBC were defending her. MSNBC is pro establishment (normal democrat and republican leaders). Also, Hillary had views that were far more left than right.
The right-wing media will do anything to destroy Bernie.
Goes to my point of the establishment media in addition.
Lets also try to keep this from turning into a snowball fight so it doesn't come across as disrespectful to the moderators. I'm partially to blame here.

You said "left" not "Democrat". The establishment Clintonian Democrats are not very far to the left. They're center-right at best. Bernie Sanders was the only true leftist running for president in 2016.

1. I'll give you Bill for being Center right, but for Hillary, everything speaks left left left... Maybe not in world standards but even world standards she's center at best. ALL major ratings site have Clinton rated at mostly liberal or fully liberal. Adjust for world standards and you get center to center left.

2. I chose my words wisely there. Yes her views are more left than right. Democrats are far more left now than even in 2008. Hillary was against illegal immigration but now she is all for protecting them as an example.

3. I do agree that Bernie was the only true leftist in 2016.

4. My political scale from left to right (world scale): Marxist (USSR), left, center (John McCain is my guide for center, currently an F grade on most Conservative ratings sites), right, traditionalist.

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« Reply #115 on: April 06, 2018, 04:30:53 PM »

Colmes was set up to look weak against Hannity. He was a foil, a wimp, a cuck designed to make liberals look flaccid against the strong conservatives. I wouldn't be surprised if he were really a conservative pretending to be a "liberal".

No. He was the real deal liberal. I heard his radio show on occasion and there was nothing right-wing about his viewpoints. Your perception probably had more to do with his physical appearance than anything else.

How do you know? Unless you can read his mind, you will never know if he was a conservative masquerading as a liberal.
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« Reply #116 on: April 06, 2018, 04:57:08 PM »

I used to listed as well to Alan Colmes at times on the radio.  If he was ever, ever right wing, he hid it very well.  He espoused the progressive viewpoint continually.  Although I might not agree with him, when he discussed a matter with others, it was a true respectful conversation. 
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« Reply #117 on: April 07, 2018, 02:29:15 AM »

I used to listed as well to Alan Colmes at times on the radio.  If he was ever, ever right wing, he hid it very well.  He espoused the progressive viewpoint continually.  Although I might not agree with him, when he discussed a matter with others, it was a true respectful conversation. 

The point is that he could have very easily been a fake liberal. There is no question that he was used to look weak compared to Hannity's strong image and to make Hannity look better.
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« Reply #118 on: April 07, 2018, 04:11:54 PM »

How this thread is developing: actual TV market talk > the Sinclair issue > political debate IMO.

As much as I want to comment further, I don't want to more political than I've already have.

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I mentioned Sinclair because they are the most influential in providing local news content in the nation and lots of markets air Sinclair news with exceptions to (San Francisco, Honolulu, Detroit, Atlanta and Boston) But back to local TV markets. But my updates spiraled out of control when there was talk about a boycott of the largest owners of TV stations. I will attempt to bring it back to what the OP's
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Well back to local TV Markets remember back in the 1980's and 1990's when PBS affiliates aired (instructional programming from AIT and Telecourse programming from Annenberg project)

I remember KQED aired them back then but that was way before various schools and Khan Academy took the void in the past decade and started doing instructional broadcasts on YouTube.

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« Reply #119 on: April 07, 2018, 04:51:01 PM »

How this thread is developing: actual TV market talk > the Sinclair issue > political debate IMO.

As much as I want to comment further, I don't want to more political than I've already have.

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I mentioned Sinclair because they are the most influential in providing local news content in the nation and lots of markets air Sinclair news with exceptions to (San Francisco, Honolulu, Detroit, Atlanta and Boston) But back to local TV markets. But my updates spiraled out of control when there was talk about a boycott of the largest owners of TV stations. I will attempt to bring it back to what the OP's
objective.

Well back to local TV Markets remember back in the 1980's and 1990's when PBS affiliates aired (instructional programming from AIT and Telecourse programming from Annenberg project)

I remember KQED aired them back then but that was way before various schools and Khan Academy took the void in the past decade and started doing instructional broadcasts on YouTube.
The Philly and probably the NYC areas do not air Sinclair news.

As for the Annenberg instructional content, I do not remember it. However, WHYY and NJN both listed instructional content as part of their schedules. Dunno about WLVT nor do I care about it as I never got it normally. Same with MPT and WITF.
Note: I have antenna TV. I refuse to get cable. My parents also refuse.
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« Reply #120 on: April 07, 2018, 10:11:10 PM »

Both the Philly and NYC markets are dominated by stations directly owned by the networks, so no Sinclair right now.  That will likely change, though - the CW station in NYC is owned by Tribune as in the MyNetwork TV station in Philly.
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« Reply #121 on: April 07, 2018, 11:03:53 PM »

Calloway County, KY has an interesting situation with its stations. It is officially in the Paducah/Cape Girardeau/Harrisburg market, but its cable stations get the Big Three Nashville stations. In addition, until recently, they got WBBJ from Jackson.
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« Reply #122 on: April 07, 2018, 11:21:03 PM »

Calloway County, KY has an interesting situation with its stations. It is officially in the Paducah/Cape Girardeau/Harrisburg market, but its cable stations get the Big Three Nashville stations. In addition, until recently, they got WBBJ from Jackson.

Is that instead of, or in addition to, the local market stations?
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« Reply #123 on: April 08, 2018, 02:44:00 PM »

Calloway County, KY has an interesting situation with its stations. It is officially in the Paducah/Cape Girardeau/Harrisburg market, but its cable stations get the Big Three Nashville stations. In addition, until recently, they got WBBJ from Jackson.

Is that instead of, or in addition to, the local market stations?
The cable networks get Nashville's stations (and formerly WBBJ) in addition to the Paducah/Cape Girardeau/Harrisburg stations.
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« Reply #124 on: April 08, 2018, 03:05:31 PM »

Calloway County, KY has an interesting situation with its stations. It is officially in the Paducah/Cape Girardeau/Harrisburg market, but its cable stations get the Big Three Nashville stations. In addition, until recently, they got WBBJ from Jackson.

Is that instead of, or in addition to, the local market stations?
The cable networks get Nashville's stations (and formerly WBBJ) in addition to the Paducah/Cape Girardeau/Harrisburg stations.

What about satellite? Do you know?
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