The problemwith railsto trails.

[bicyclehazard]

A path that is continuous use by the public for an extended period of time legally becomes a road. This is how most roads were formed and why this topic is here. The railroads were given 150,000,000 acres and payed to lay tracks by the federal government. But that was not enough the continued to acquire property by extortion. So private property went whining to the federal government and they responded by giving railroads easements over private property. Private property owners generally agreed that it was better to "allow" railroads to use their property rather than be murdered and have them take all of it. The law was quite clear however once the tracks were abandoned the easement ceased to exist. Local governments failed to understand these two basic and conflicting laws and decided that abandoned tracks belonged to them. So it has been well documented that local governments have stolen property from not only private property owners but also land that belonged to the federal government. See link below. The big problem here is once pedestrian trails exist local governments decide they can ban non motorized traffic from nearby roads. This was tried on highway 31between Bloomington and Indianapolis In. When I crossed the Ohio in Louisville the highway bridge was closed for repairs and there was no detour information that a pedestrian bridge even existed. The pedestrian bridge had fences and police roadblocks on both sides. Pedestrian trails generally are closed at night and often are shut down for events leaving non motorized no recourse. In one well publicized event police shut down the pedestrian trail and the highway while violent gangs roamed the city. The highway bypass already prohibited non motorized traffic. In the Atlanta Metro area local governments are now seizing private property that is not on abandoned rail road tracks or streams and building trails on them. These are closed at night including the hours when children are walking to and from schools. Farmers who own land on both sides of railroad tracks can cross those tracks at will. People who own land along streams have water rights to those streams. These are federal laws that can not be overturned by states. They can be enforced by the federal police with the department of agriculture. I have no problem with the trails as long as they are treated as roads. That is they are open 24 hours and there are no police roadblocks. I can shut down some of these trails and have private property on those trails condemned the same way I shut down the Blitz Weinhard brewery in Portland Oregon. All I wanted them to do was sweep up broken beer bottle they dropped on the roads. They however wanted to fight. 



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[hotdogPi]

The railroads were given 150000000 acres and payed to lay tracks by the federal government.

That's larger than the ENTIRE land of California, and almost the size of Texas. 8% of the land in the United States (excluding Alaska) is under railroad ROW?

[SP Cook]

Wow. 

Wrong on history, law, land measurement units, and when to start a new paragraph. 

[Rothman]

I'll be more blunt:  Somebody's brain is due for a recall.

[hbelkins]

I shut down the Blitz Weinhard brewery in Portland Oregon.

Waiting with bated breath (check the spelling on that one and you'll see it's not a typo) to hear the story behind this.

[seicer]

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That's more coherent than your rant.

[hbelkins]

Hey, look at this...

https://www.google.com/search?q=Blitz+Weinhard+brewery+shut+down&oq=Blitz+Weinhard+brewery+shut+down&aqs=chrome..69i57.5720j0j1&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

[Chris19001]

I'm curious what century this rant is really taking issue with?  Is it the appropriation of public land during the 1860's-70's for the Union & Northern Pacific ventures, or some crappy bike trail that he/she got a flat on..  I almost feel like this should be an attempt at "who am I?", and the answer being an abstract figure like "Father Time", "Uncle Sam", or "Urban Renewal".

[ColossalBlocks]

And Rails to Trails has what to do with the subforum topic at hand?

[kkt]

Local governments have the power of eminent domain as well as the federal government...

[roadman]

Bacon ipsum dolor amet meatball sausage venison beef ribs beef. Burgdoggen filet mignon turducken pastrami meatball, venison landjaeger spare ribs chicken. Beef sausage tongue sirloin ball tip bresaola kevin short loin leberkas frankfurter beef ribs pork shank venison shankle. Fatback salami picanha, kevin ball tip chicken filet mignon ground round bacon boudin buffalo ribeye beef ribs flank pork belly. Sausage landjaeger leberkas, bacon ball tip biltong pork shankle short loin pork loin spare ribs beef ribs cow. Boudin shank biltong, hamburger alcatra tenderloin ground round. Short ribs andouille sausage short loin shoulder drumstick landjaeger jerky cow.

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That's more coherent than your rant.

And now I'm very hungry for some reason.

[vdeane]

I think this guy is unaware of the law passed in the wake of mass rail abandonments in the 50s and 60s.  It's illegal for railroads to completely abandon their easements, to ensure that the line can be rebuilt if needed.  Rail trails exist in ROW that can be reclaimed by the railroad at any time.

[froggie]

Rail trails exist in ROW that can be reclaimed by the railroad at any time.

In some cases, yes.  In other cases, some rail trail rights-of-way were outright purchased by the jurisdiction that built the trail.

[Brandon]

Wow, WTF to begin, if to begin.

Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it.

[kphoger]

See link below.

[formulanone]

...the same way I shut down the Blitz Weinhard brewery in Portland Oregon. All I wanted them to do was sweep up broken beer bottle they dropped on the roads. They however wanted to fight. 

Write your congressman and leave us out of it.

[ekt8750]

...and leave us out of it.

Nah. I always love when someone barfs their stupid out onto the internet.

[kphoger]

I always love when someone barfs their stupid out onto the internet.

Removed redundant wording for clarity.

[SectorZ]

See link below.

Come on, there is a link somewhere below the rant. It's relevance means nothing, but then again its in line with the rant.

[SectorZ]

A path that is continuous use by the public for an extended period of time legally becomes a road. This is how most roads were formed and why this topic is here. The railroads were given 150000000 acres and payed to lay tracks by the federal government. But that was not enough the continued to acquire property by extortion. So private property went whining to the federal government and they responded by giving railroads easements over private property. Private property owners generally agreed that it was better to "allow" railroads to use their property rather than be murdered and have them take all of it. The law was quite clear however once the tracks were abandoned the easement ceased to exist. Local governments failed to understand these two basic and conflicting laws and decided that abandoned tracks belonged to them. So it has been well documented that local governments have stolen property from not only private property owners but also land that belonged to the federal government. See link below. The big problem here is once pedestrian trails exist local governments decide they can ban non motorized traffic from nearby roads. This was tried on highway 31between Bloomington and Indianapolis In. When I crossed the Ohio in Louisville the highway bridge was closed for repairs and there was no detour information that a pedestrian bridge even existed. The pedestrian bridge had fences and police roadblocks on both sides. Pedestrian trails generally are closed at night and often are shut down for events leaving non motorized no recourse. In one well publicized event police shut down the pedestrian trail and the highway while violent gangs roamed the city. The highway bypass already prohibited non motorized traffic. In the Atlanta Metro area local governments are now seizing private property that is not on abandoned rail road tracks or streams and building trails on them. These are closed at night including the hours when children are walking to and from schools. Farmers who own land on both sides of railroad tracks can cross those tracks at will. People who own land along streams have water rights to those streams. These are federal laws that can not be overturned by states. They can be enforced by the federal police with the department of agriculture. I have no problem with the trails as long as they are treated as roads. That is they are open 24 hours and there are no police roadblocks. I can shut down some of these trails and have private property on those trails condemned the same way I shut down the Blitz Weinhard brewery in Portland Oregon. All I wanted them to do was sweep up broken beer bottle they dropped on the roads. They however wanted to fight.

[JasonOfORoads]

A path that is continuous use by the public for an extended period of time legally becomes a road. This is how most roads were formed and why this topic is here. The railroads were given 150000000 acres and payed to lay tracks by the federal government. But that was not enough the continued to acquire property by extortion. So private property went whining to the federal government and they responded by giving railroads easements over private property. Private property owners generally agreed that it was better to "allow" railroads to use their property rather than be murdered and have them take all of it. The law was quite clear however once the tracks were abandoned the easement ceased to exist. Local governments failed to understand these two basic and conflicting laws and decided that abandoned tracks belonged to them. So it has been well documented that local governments have stolen property from not only private property owners but also land that belonged to the federal government. See link below. The big problem here is once pedestrian trails exist local governments decide they can ban non motorized traffic from nearby roads. This was tried on highway 31between Bloomington and Indianapolis In. When I crossed the Ohio in Louisville the highway bridge was closed for repairs and there was no detour information that a pedestrian bridge even existed. The pedestrian bridge had fences and police roadblocks on both sides. Pedestrian trails generally are closed at night and often are shut down for events leaving non motorized no recourse. In one well publicized event police shut down the pedestrian trail and the highway while violent gangs roamed the city. The highway bypass already prohibited non motorized traffic. In the Atlanta Metro area local governments are now seizing private property that is not on abandoned rail road tracks or streams and building trails on them. These are closed at night including the hours when children are walking to and from schools. Farmers who own land on both sides of railroad tracks can cross those tracks at will. People who own land along streams have water rights to those streams. These are federal laws that can not be overturned by states. They can be enforced by the federal police with the department of agriculture. I have no problem with the trails as long as they are treated as roads. That is they are open 24 hours and there are no police roadblocks. I can shut down some of these trails and have private property on those trails condemned the same way I shut down the Blitz Weinhard brewery in Portland Oregon. All I wanted them to do was sweep up broken beer bottle they dropped on the roads. They however wanted to fight.

Quick question: Where do you buy your drugs?

[paulthemapguy]

I'm just assuming that this is a meme aimed to contend with "how is babby formed" and stuff of the like.

[hotdogPi]

I'm just assuming that this is a meme aimed to contend with "how is babby formed" and stuff of the like.

There aren't any misspellings in this one, though. "How is babby formed", Alanland, and the Navy Seal Copypasta all have misspellings in them.

[sparker]

I went to college in the late '60's -- and folks on acid (LSD for the newbies) generally were more coherent than the OP!  The poster doesn't provide a geographical location in his heading, but obviously he doesn't know shit about Indiana (31 into Bloomington? Gimme a break!) -- or much about history, railroads, eminent domain..........ad nauseum! 

I'm guessing something like a mixture of psilocybin and angel dust (aka animal tranquilizer) is responsible for that rant until proven otherwise!

[kkt]

There's almost the beginnings of a rational thought in some parts of his rant.  Then the subject changes out of nowhere.