DST (2018)

[kphoger]

The government is going to tell private companies what time their employees should start work?

At least here in NY that did happen. Large company wanted to realign 6 to 6 shift for some group of employers, but was told that it would place undue strain on traffic - and shift remained what it is.

In my opinion, that is a huge overreach of government power.

[kalvado]

The government is going to tell private companies what time their employees should start work?

At least here in NY that did happen. Large company wanted to realign 6 to 6 shift for some group of employers, but was told that it would place undue strain on traffic - and shift remained what it is.

In my opinion, that is a huge overreach of government power.

Honestly speaking, I am not with you. There is definitely some public interest in stretching out commute and reducing peak traffic - hence reducing wait times. Maybe you live in the area where traffic not an issue; for me being able to commute outside peak hours saves maybe 1/2 to a full hour daily.  And it has to be some entity with broader reach - either government or maybe chamber of commerce - which can coordinate that to some extent.
Company didn't really loose to much with 6-6 vs 7-7 shifts in round-the-clock operations. I can see other types of business, e.g. retail, to be more sensitive to the issue - but some types of retail are already regulated (alcohol,  blue laws, etc). 

[hbelkins]

The government is going to tell private companies what time their employees should start work?

At least here in NY that did happen. Large company wanted to realign 6 to 6 shift for some group of employers, but was told that it would place undue strain on traffic - and shift remained what it is.

In my opinion, that is a huge overreach of government power.

Sounds to me like the government strongly recommended it, and the employer went along. I don't have any problems with that. Now, if the government legislated or ordered such, then yes, Mr. Hoger is correct.

As for the depression thing, the Monday after DST ends is a jolt. Walking out of the office into fading daylight, having to use headlights to illuminate much/most of the drive, and having it be dark when you pull up at home is a sad thing. You can't see to pick up fallen limbs out of your yard, take the garbage down to the road, or even unload your car if you stopped at the store on the way home. And the most previous workday, you could.

I've said before that sunrise time doesn't affect me. It doesn't matter what time the sun comes up, I'm not getting up without the aid of an alarm. If not awakened by my bladder or some other factor, it's not unusual for me to sleep until 11 a.m. on days I don't have to get up. And I'm not exactly a night owl. Which means that I'm not going to do well to adjust my work schedule (it's an option I have available) to start the day at 7 after DST ends. My increasing difficulty in getting up and getting going in the mornings is at cross purposes with my desire to not end the day in darkness.

[noelbotevera]

Guess I'll chip in my thoughts on DST.

I don't worry about it that much. I lose an hour, I gain an hour. It doesn't really impact me that much, and going to school in the dark is no problem. I have no idea why it's even considered a problem in the first place, but hey.

My perspective on DST will probably change when I get older and have a job with a commute, but that's my stance for now.

[kalvado]

The government is going to tell private companies what time their employees should start work?

At least here in NY that did happen. Large company wanted to realign 6 to 6 shift for some group of employers, but was told that it would place undue strain on traffic - and shift remained what it is.

In my opinion, that is a huge overreach of government power.

And you may be interested to see how things work in NY... One of local municipalities announced trick-or-treat hours (2-8 pm)...  I am not sure if those are recommendation-only, or timing would be enforced, though.

[Rothman]

The government is going to tell private companies what time their employees should start work?

At least here in NY that did happen. Large company wanted to realign 6 to 6 shift for some group of employers, but was told that it would place undue strain on traffic - and shift remained what it is.

In my opinion, that is a huge overreach of government power.

And you may be interested to see how things work in NY... One of local municipalities announced trick-or-treat hours (2-8 pm)...  I am not sure if those are recommendation-only, or timing would be enforced, though.

Trick or treat hours are not unique to New York.  First encountered that nonsense outside of DC.  Actually, communities suggesting little kids go on the 30th instead of the 31st, too, come to think of it.

Just over the past 10 years, trick or treaters have diminished in number drastically around my home.  All the rules are probably killing the fun thing off.

[jon daly]

8-5 with 1 hour brake is the well accepted default. Or something along those lines.

8 AM at the latest.  I hardly know anyone who starts work later than 8:00, but a LOT who start before that.  Assuming a start time of 8:00, a sunrise later than 7:00 (outside the dead of winter or northerly locations) should be avoided as it makes most people wake up before dawn.

Maybe that's a regional thing. For the past 20 year I've usually had to be in by 8:30 (although I sometimes get in somewhere between 8 and 8:30.)

[webny99]

8-5 with 1 hour brake is the well accepted default. Or something along those lines.

8 AM at the latest.  I hardly know anyone who starts work later than 8:00, but a LOT who start before that.  Assuming a start time of 8:00, a sunrise later than 7:00 (outside the dead of winter or northerly locations) should be avoided as it makes most people wake up before dawn.

Maybe that's a regional thing. For the past 20 year I've usually had to be in by 8:30 (although I sometimes get in somewhere between 8 and 8:30.)

Maybe, but I start at 7:30, and I don't regard that as super early. I actually know more people with a 7:00 start time than an 8:00 start time. 8:30 seems kind of late.

So, yeah, I not only woke up and left for work in the dark this morning, I also arrived in the dark. Sunrise on the last Saturday of DST isn't until 7:45, later than it is on the actual shortest day of the year.

[jeffandnicole]

The government is going to tell private companies what time their employees should start work?

At least here in NY that did happen. Large company wanted to realign 6 to 6 shift for some group of employers, but was told that it would place undue strain on traffic - and shift remained what it is.

In my opinion, that is a huge overreach of government power.

When Amazon opened a warehouse in the Allentown, NJ area, it caused a huge congestion issue.  While the government didn't regulate Amazon's working hours, it worked with the company to convince them to spread out the shifts to reduce congestion.  That was fine, and succeeded in eliminating the massive congestion that had occurred.

[jon daly]

8-5 with 1 hour brake is the well accepted default. Or something along those lines.

8 AM at the latest.  I hardly know anyone who starts work later than 8:00, but a LOT who start before that.  Assuming a start time of 8:00, a sunrise later than 7:00 (outside the dead of winter or northerly locations) should be avoided as it makes most people wake up before dawn.

Maybe that's a regional thing. For the past 20 year I've usually had to be in by 8:30 (although I sometimes get in somewhere between 8 and 8:30.)

Maybe, but I start at 7:30, and I don't regard that as super early. I actually know more people with a 7:00 start time than an 8:00 start time. 8:30 seems kind of late.

So, yeah, I not only woke up and left for work in the dark this morning, I also arrived in the dark. Sunrise on the last Saturday of DST isn't until 7:45, later than it is on the actual shortest day of the year.

It could also be an industry thing. I've worked in finance most of my adult life. The market doesn't close until 4. A few folks leave at 4, but 4:30 or 5 is much more common.

[MikeTheActuary]

It could also be an industry thing. I've worked in finance most of my adult life. The market doesn't close until 4. A few folks leave at 4, but 4:30 or 5 is much more common.

It's also a corporate culture thing. 

Most of my company's offices in the US see people trickle in between 8 and 9, and trickle out between 4 and 530.

I am a telecommuter on "self-managed time" (I don't have defined hours; just a charge to get the work done), and I end up working mostly 10-7.

[jeffandnicole]

8-5 with 1 hour brake is the well accepted default. Or something along those lines.

8 AM at the latest.  I hardly know anyone who starts work later than 8:00, but a LOT who start before that.  Assuming a start time of 8:00, a sunrise later than 7:00 (outside the dead of winter or northerly locations) should be avoided as it makes most people wake up before dawn.

Unless you can say your roads are nearly empty at 8am when people are in work, there are thousands of people still commuting to work. Yes, there may be a few reasons why people are on the roads between 8 and 10am, but not thousands.

In my workplace, the majority of people start between 7:30 and 9:30, but there's some outliers that start around 7 or 10, and then of course there's those that just come in early or state late because they feel like it.

[hbelkins]

The government is going to tell private companies what time their employees should start work?

At least here in NY that did happen. Large company wanted to realign 6 to 6 shift for some group of employers, but was told that it would place undue strain on traffic - and shift remained what it is.

In my opinion, that is a huge overreach of government power.

And you may be interested to see how things work in NY... One of local municipalities announced trick-or-treat hours (2-8 pm)...  I am not sure if those are recommendation-only, or timing would be enforced, though.

Trick or treat hours are not unique to New York.  First encountered that nonsense outside of DC.  Actually, communities suggesting little kids go on the 30th instead of the 31st, too, come to think of it.

Just over the past 10 years, trick or treaters have diminished in number drastically around my home.  All the rules are probably killing the fun thing off.

Most municipal governments in Kentucky set trick-or-treat hours, typically from 6-8 p.m. It's more of a city thing than a county thing, however. When I was growing up, the tradition in one rural community was to trick-or-treat locally on the 30th, and then go to town (Beattyville) on the 31st to trick-or-treat there during their official hours.

Increasingly in these parts, when the 31st is on a Sunday or Wednesday, trick-or-treat is moved to the 30th so as not to conflict with church services.

[kphoger]

I'm so glad to live in a city that has trick-or-treating ON HALLOWEED, and AFTER DARK.  Shoot, howdy, I don't know if I could live in a place like Des Moines, which has it during daylight hours and not even on the 31st.

[hotdogPi]

I'm so glad to live in a city that has trick-or-treating ON HALLOWEED, and AFTER DARK.  Shoot, howdy, I don't know if I could live in a place like Des Moines, which has it during daylight hours and not even on the 31st.

Where I live, it gets dark partway through the two hours (I believe 5—7.)

HALLOWEED

Normally, I would not mix cannabis candy with normal candy. However, given that the phrase is trick or treat, and it is a trick...

[jp the roadgeek]

I'm so glad to live in a city that has trick-or-treating ON HALLOWEED, and AFTER DARK.  Shoot, howdy, I don't know if I could live in a place like Des Moines, which has it during daylight hours and not even on the 31st.

Where I live, it gets dark partway through the two hours (I believe 5—7.)

HALLOWEED

Normally, I would not mix cannabis candy with normal candy. However, given that the phrase is trick or treat, and it is a trick...

Most people start trick or treating at 4:20 that day.

[MikeTheActuary]

I'm so glad to live in a city that has trick-or-treating ON HALLOWEED, and AFTER DARK.  Shoot, howdy, I don't know if I could live in a place like Des Moines, which has it during daylight hours and not even on the 31st.

I think you'd need to live in Canada to celebrate Halloweed after dark.

[jakeroot]

I'm so glad to live in a city that has trick-or-treating ON HALLOWEED, and AFTER DARK.  Shoot, howdy, I don't know if I could live in a place like Des Moines, which has it during daylight hours and not even on the 31st.

I think you'd need to live in Canada to celebrate Halloweed after dark.

Or one of many US states.

[english si]

Or anywhere that doesn't have summer time at the end of October...

[MikeTheActuary]

Or anywhere that doesn't have summer time at the end of October...

Canada is the only place in the Northern Hemisphere where Hollyweed is legal.

(A few US states have forgotten that federal law trumps state law.)

[michravera]

8-5 with 1 hour brake is the well accepted default. Or something along those lines.

8 AM at the latest.  I hardly know anyone who starts work later than 8:00, but a LOT who start before that.  Assuming a start time of 8:00, a sunrise later than 7:00 (outside the dead of winter or northerly locations) should be avoided as it makes most people wake up before dawn.

Unless you can say your roads are nearly empty at 8am when people are in work, there are thousands of people still commuting to work. Yes, there may be a few reasons why people are on the roads between 8 and 10am, but not thousands.

In my workplace, the majority of people start between 7:30 and 9:30, but there's some outliers that start around 7 or 10, and then of course there's those that just come in early or state late because they feel like it.

"Rush Hour" in the Bay Area goes from about 6:00 to 10:30 and from 15:00 to about 20:00. Our part-time HOV regulations go from 5:00 or 6:00 to 9:00 or 10:00 and from 15:00-18:00 or 19:00. Express Lanes are regulated from 5:00-20:00.

It is legendary at some Tech companies that some people barely make it into work in time for lunch. The serious traffic occurs near the top of the hour at which times meetings are scheduled. I used to schedule my morning meetings at 9:22 to help avoid such problems (it didn't work).

[jon daly]

We never get kids at our door (Trick or Trunk seems to be more of a thing in southern New England.) So I have no idea when Halloween is legal here. But I do remember it being postponed by Superstorm Sandy one year and another storm a year or two before that.

[jeffandnicole]

Many NJ towns have curfews, generally about 8pm.  Most people are going to trick-or-treat from 3pm to 8pm.  Earlier and they're still in school, and people aren't home from work to hand out candy anyway.

In regards to trunk-or-treating...I thought the whole purpose was for groups of people THAT KNOW EACH OTHER to gather around and the kids go from one car to another to get candy.  This year especially, it seems like people are just asking others on open, publicly accessible Facebook groups if they know of truck-or-treats they can go to, which seems to heavily defeat the safety purpose of them in the first place.  And I'm sure some of these people have no interest in handing out candy...they just want more for their kids.

[hbelkins]

A number of communities are sponsoring public events in lieu of door-to-door visits. They encourage people to donate candy, or set up tables at these events, and there's often live entertainment. They don't outlaw door-to-door candy collecting, but they really promote the public events.

[kphoger]

Wow, what a hoot!  Who knew a simple typo could be so much fun?

Canada is the only place in the Northern Hemisphere where Hollyweed is legal.

(A few US states have forgotten that federal law trumps state law.)

México
8% of North America by area
21% of North America by population
Marijuana possession up to 5 grams has been legal since 2009.