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Arkansas's Highway Problem
« on: July 12, 2018, 06:54:32 PM »

Alright, I think it's about time for me to make a topic on this.

So one thing that I've noticed about highways in Arkansas is the fact that almost every single numbered highway is split into more than one route. Take AR-74 for example:



I just can't figure out what the reasoning behind why there's multiple highways with the same number here. I don't know if anyone here would know, and I'll probably even ask ARDOT if there's a reasoning for it sometime later.

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Re: Arkansas's Highway Problem
« Reply #1 on: July 13, 2018, 11:57:33 AM »

Alright, I think it's about time for me to make a topic on this.

So one thing that I've noticed about highways in Arkansas is the fact that almost every single numbered highway is split into more than one route. Take AR-74 for example:



I just can't figure out what the reasoning behind why there's multiple highways with the same number here. I don't know if anyone here would know, and I'll probably even ask ARDOT if there's a reasoning for it sometime later.

Thanks for reading. - TBKS1

Per this article, the route is " a series of road segments"

  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arkansas_Highway_74 
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Re: Arkansas's Highway Problem
« Reply #2 on: July 13, 2018, 12:17:31 PM »

A lot of Arkansasí discontinuous highways are in somewhat of a straight line and could be theoretically connected either by a concurrency or a new terrain route. AR 88 is another prime example.
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Re: Arkansas's Highway Problem
« Reply #3 on: July 16, 2018, 01:49:36 AM »

Many of these discontinuous highways could theoretically be connected via overlaps but ArrrrrrrghDOT refuses to sign US routes along interstates and state highways along US highways and even other state highways, so don't count on it happening soon. Discontinuous highways and unsigned highways are my least favorite things about Arkansas.

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Re: Arkansas's Highway Problem
« Reply #4 on: July 16, 2018, 04:30:10 AM »

An extreme example of this is AR 980. It's the number designation for every state maintained airport road. They're not even in a line that could be connected in a sensible way, just scattered throughout the state.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arkansas_Highway_980
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Re: Arkansas's Highway Problem
« Reply #5 on: July 17, 2018, 10:34:34 AM »

Alright, I think it's about time for me to make a topic on this.

So one thing that I've noticed about highways in Arkansas is the fact that almost every single numbered highway is split into more than one route. Take AR-74 for example:

I just can't figure out what the reasoning behind why there's multiple highways with the same number here. I don't know if anyone here would know, and I'll probably even ask ARDOT if there's a reasoning for it sometime later.


I believe 74 was once a continuous highway. Over the years, parts of it have been relegated to county road departments.  74 to Devil's Den was not part of the original 74, but appeared later.

45, another discontinuous highway, was also one route from near Clifty, AR to Hartford (possibly to the OK State Line).  Over the years, it has been chopped up, truncated, and realigned. US 62 west of Fayetteville was once part of AR 45, as was AR 59 south of Evansville, and US 271 and AR 253 south of Ft Smith.



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Re: Arkansas's Highway Problem
« Reply #6 on: July 27, 2018, 11:13:43 AM »

*psst* dashed routes ;)
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Re: Arkansas's Highway Problem
« Reply #7 on: July 27, 2018, 12:07:26 PM »

The purpose of a state highway department is to maintain connectivity, to facilitate a functioning highway network that might not exist if a hodge-podge of road segments were handed off to smaller agencies or abandoned altogether.  ARDOT is not doing the job that was the entire impetus for creating state DOT's in the first place.  I wish some larger agency like the federal government would step in and block Arkansas from stepping away from its duty.  The state government should be punished.  Looking at you, too, Indiana.
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Re: Arkansas's Highway Problem
« Reply #8 on: July 27, 2018, 02:32:36 PM »

ARDOT is not doing the job that was the entire impetus for creating state DOT's in the first place.  I wish some larger agency like the federal government would step in and block Arkansas from stepping away from its duty.  The state government should be punished.  Looking at you, too, Indiana.

Dude, do you understand the concept of federalism? Do you seriously believe a federal agency can do a better job of maintaining Arkansas's highways than a state agency? Furthermore, why is that the business of everyone who doesn't live in or work in Arkansas?
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Re: Arkansas's Highway Problem
« Reply #9 on: July 27, 2018, 11:09:30 PM »

OT to an extent. Does 49 ( between US 62 up to Bentonville ) have any street or overhead lighting yet? I was always amazed there was none 15 years ago when the area started to Sprawl...
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Re: Arkansas's Highway Problem
« Reply #10 on: July 27, 2018, 11:16:27 PM »

ARDOT is not doing the job that was the entire impetus for creating state DOT's in the first place.  I wish some larger agency like the federal government would step in and block Arkansas from stepping away from its duty.  The state government should be punished.  Looking at you, too, Indiana.

Dude, do you understand the concept of federalism? Do you seriously believe a federal agency can do a better job of maintaining Arkansas's highways than a state agency? Furthermore, why is that the business of everyone who doesn't live in or work in Arkansas?
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Re: Arkansas's Highway Problem
« Reply #11 on: July 28, 2018, 12:13:40 AM »

OT to an extent. Does 49 ( between US 62 up to Bentonville ) have any street or overhead lighting yet? I was always amazed there was none 15 years ago when the area started to Sprawl...

Not a bit, other than on some of the city street overpasses that manage to shine downward onto it.
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Re: Arkansas's Highway Problem
« Reply #12 on: March 14, 2019, 04:36:35 AM »



Do you seriously believe a federal agency can do a better job of maintaining Arkansas's highways than a state agency?

Yes.
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Re: Arkansas's Highway Problem
« Reply #13 on: March 14, 2019, 10:48:34 AM »

IMO, the problem with Arkansas is the Little Rock region and NWA get the bulk of the attention while other parts of the state are often neglected.  That's putting it in the simplest terms. Also "pet projects" get more attention than what's really needed.

Could federal control change this? I'm uncertain.
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Re: Arkansas's Highway Problem
« Reply #14 on: March 31, 2019, 09:12:41 PM »

IMO, the problem with Arkansas is the Little Rock region and NWA get the bulk of the attention while other parts of the state are often neglected.  That's putting it in the simplest terms. Also "pet projects" get more attention than what's really needed.

Could federal control change this? I'm uncertain.
I'm with you totally. I'm not going to begrudge the two biggest population centers from getting help, because they need capacity more then ever, but let's throw El Dorado and Mountain Home a bone too at least.
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Re: Arkansas's Highway Problem
« Reply #15 on: April 01, 2019, 12:23:12 AM »

IMO, the problem with Arkansas is the Little Rock region and NWA get the bulk of the attention while other parts of the state are often neglected.  That's putting it in the simplest terms. Also "pet projects" get more attention than what's really needed.

Could federal control change this? I'm uncertain.

I wish I was more familiar with other parts of Arkansas, but I will say that NWA needed significant upgrades, in terms of capacity. When I lived there, there's no reason why it should take me over 90 minutes to drive from Rogers/Bentonville to Fayetteville, all because of a minor accident on a then 2-lane I-49 (then I-540 when I lived there). The congestion in that area was insane, for a metro of only a half a million people.

I've only driven through Little Rock a few times, but I remember reading something that they have the most Interstate miles per capita of any city in the US. I've tried to find the source, but have never been able to.

That being said, so many state highways in Arkansas have deficiencies. No or narrow shoulders, lack of guard rails, skewed intersections, sight distance issues, poor pavement conditions, poor pavement markings, no roadway lighting. I think it's just a matter of funding and having someone that can make change.

And agree on pet projects. I think so much of this exists with the local leadership and MPOs. You need someone local pushing, for Fort Smith, in your case.


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