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No U-Turn on Dead End Street
« on: July 18, 2018, 01:43:15 PM »

In my local area, I am aware of two dead-end streets where U-Turns are also prohibited. I understand this was done primarily to deter motorists from using those streets to turn around, but on the flip side, does this mean that if you somehow turn onto that street, you're screwed if you want to come back out?
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Re: No U-Turn on Dead End Street
« Reply #1 on: July 18, 2018, 02:43:15 PM »

How exactly are U-turns prohibited in these instances? Generally, dead-ends with a "no turn around" plaque don't have a specific cul-de-sac for turning around; the sign is simply warning motorists that there is limited spacing for turning around, not that U-turns are expressly prohibited.

If a "NO U-TURN" sign and an end of roadway object marker (OM4-1,2,3) are combined anywhere, that seems like a paradox.
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Re: No U-Turn on Dead End Street
« Reply #2 on: July 18, 2018, 03:36:00 PM »

Saw one just today.  I-80 Frontage Road near Peru, IL.

https://goo.gl/maps/Z9rwKUr8HxH2
https://goo.gl/maps/sgCSUsCdDMo
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Re: No U-Turn on Dead End Street
« Reply #3 on: July 18, 2018, 05:29:12 PM »

I'm sure those signs are just as unenforceable as "NO THRU TRAFFIC."
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Re: No U-Turn on Dead End Street
« Reply #4 on: July 18, 2018, 07:59:25 PM »

In my local area, I am aware of two dead-end streets where U-Turns are also prohibited. I understand this was done primarily to deter motorists from using those streets to turn around, but on the flip side, does this mean that if you somehow turn onto that street, you're screwed if you want to come back out?

I guess you'd have to go in reverse if you want to get out.  Of course, that would be quite dangerous.  Seriously, though, it appears "turn around" is used as a noun here, indicating that one doesn't exist.  It's not the verb, which would prevent U-turns. (Didn't mean to turn this into an English breakdown  :-D)
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Re: No U-Turn on Dead End Street
« Reply #5 on: July 18, 2018, 09:25:24 PM »

Saw one just today.  I-80 Frontage Road near Peru, IL.

https://goo.gl/maps/Z9rwKUr8HxH2
https://goo.gl/maps/sgCSUsCdDMo

Holy fucking cow is that stupid.
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Re: No U-Turn on Dead End Street
« Reply #6 on: July 18, 2018, 09:32:57 PM »

Saw one just today.  I-80 Frontage Road near Peru, IL.

https://goo.gl/maps/Z9rwKUr8HxH2
https://goo.gl/maps/sgCSUsCdDMo

I'd interpret the second one of those as meaning the landowner doesn't want you using his driveway to turn around, so you have to do so before passing that sign.
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Re: No U-Turn on Dead End Street
« Reply #7 on: July 18, 2018, 10:01:48 PM »

Saw one just today.  I-80 Frontage Road near Peru, IL.

https://goo.gl/maps/Z9rwKUr8HxH2
https://goo.gl/maps/sgCSUsCdDMo

That prohibitory sign appears to be a private install. It's just saying "don't use my driveway to turn around".

Like I was trying to say above, "NO U TURN" and "NO TURN AROUND" are not the same thing. "TURN AROUND" is a noun. "U TURN" is an action.
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Re: No U-Turn on Dead End Street
« Reply #8 on: July 18, 2018, 10:03:10 PM »

Saw one just today.  I-80 Frontage Road near Peru, IL.

https://goo.gl/maps/Z9rwKUr8HxH2
https://goo.gl/maps/sgCSUsCdDMo

I'd interpret the second one of those as meaning the landowner doesn't want you using his driveway to turn around, so you have to do so before passing that sign.
Same, and I'd interpret the first as that there's no designated turn-around area where the pavement is widened to allow for easier U-turns.
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Re: No U-Turn on Dead End Street
« Reply #9 on: July 18, 2018, 10:33:48 PM »

In my local area, I am aware of two dead-end streets where U-Turns are also prohibited. I understand this was done primarily to deter motorists from using those streets to turn around, but on the flip side, does this mean that if you somehow turn onto that street, you're screwed if you want to come back out?

There's always (or at least usually) driveways to turn around in. Also, turning around in a regular cul-de-sac is conceptually different from a U-turn. 'No U-turn' probably means in effect 'no place to turn around'... as in you cannot turn around - there's no space - not that it's illegal, like it is in freeway median crossovers, but that it's actually not even possible.

I typed the above and then read the thread... basically, I'm with jakeroot.

Simply put, a sign reading "NO U-TURN" on a dead end street actually has a completely different meaning than the diagrammatic you see posted at a freeway median crossover. The former means, quite literally, "U-turn not possible" where the latter simply means "don't".
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Re: No U-Turn on Dead End Street
« Reply #10 on: July 19, 2018, 09:07:19 AM »

Lol well that's a fail
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Re: No U-Turn on Dead End Street
« Reply #11 on: July 19, 2018, 10:11:17 AM »

In case anyone needs further details/clarification, here is an example, as seen from Google Street View:

https://www.google.com/maps/@40.75343,-73.687225,3a,75y,76.87h,73.88t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s1ft0TfTfEM28C2iy8AKY5w!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en
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Re: No U-Turn on Dead End Street
« Reply #12 on: July 19, 2018, 10:39:52 AM »

Saw one just today.  I-80 Frontage Road near Peru, IL.

https://goo.gl/maps/Z9rwKUr8HxH2
https://goo.gl/maps/sgCSUsCdDMo
If there is no turn around that's strange that Google StreetView got all the way to the end of that road and up the driveway at the end.
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Re: No U-Turn on Dead End Street
« Reply #13 on: July 19, 2018, 11:24:26 AM »

In case anyone needs further details/clarification, here is an example, as seen from Google Street View:

https://www.google.com/maps/@40.75343,-73.687225,3a,75y,76.87h,73.88t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s1ft0TfTfEM28C2iy8AKY5w!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en
Another thing, was that seven dead end signs I counted along that street?
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Re: No U-Turn on Dead End Street
« Reply #14 on: July 19, 2018, 12:20:09 PM »

Saw one just today.  I-80 Frontage Road near Peru, IL.

https://goo.gl/maps/Z9rwKUr8HxH2
https://goo.gl/maps/sgCSUsCdDMo
If there is no turn around that's strange that Google StreetView got all the way to the end of that road and up the driveway at the end.

I think it’s aimed at trucks due to the truck stop at the interchange to the east.
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Re: No U-Turn on Dead End Street
« Reply #15 on: July 19, 2018, 12:52:44 PM »

Saw one just today.  I-80 Frontage Road near Peru, IL.

https://goo.gl/maps/Z9rwKUr8HxH2
https://goo.gl/maps/sgCSUsCdDMo

I'd interpret the second one of those as meaning the landowner doesn't want you using his driveway to turn around, so you have to do so before passing that sign.
Agreed, and the first one is definitely a warning sign, not a regulatory one.
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Re: No U-Turn on Dead End Street
« Reply #16 on: July 19, 2018, 02:50:52 PM »

Saw one just today.  I-80 Frontage Road near Peru, IL.

https://goo.gl/maps/Z9rwKUr8HxH2
https://goo.gl/maps/sgCSUsCdDMo

That prohibitory sign appears to be a private install. It's just saying "don't use my driveway to turn around".

Like I was trying to say above, "NO U TURN" and "NO TURN AROUND" are not the same thing. "TURN AROUND" is a noun. "U TURN" is an action.
The street view car apparently didn't get the message, and drove all the way up the driveway to the right.  :-D
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Re: No U-Turn on Dead End Street
« Reply #17 on: July 19, 2018, 03:06:00 PM »

Saw one just today.  I-80 Frontage Road near Peru, IL.

https://goo.gl/maps/Z9rwKUr8HxH2
https://goo.gl/maps/sgCSUsCdDMo

That prohibitory sign appears to be a private install. It's just saying "don't use my driveway to turn around".

Like I was trying to say above, "NO U TURN" and "NO TURN AROUND" are not the same thing. "TURN AROUND" is a noun. "U TURN" is an action.

The street view car apparently didn't get the message, and drove all the way up the driveway to the right.  :-D

Hah, no kidding. Pretty ballsy!
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