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Re: Lake Michigan Carferry (SS Badger) as part of US 10
« Reply #50 on: March 31, 2019, 11:04:44 AM »

From where I live to Ludington, this is how long each route would take:
via SS Badger: 6 hours
via Lake Express: 4 hours 45 minutes
via Mackinac Bridge: 9 hours 30 minutes, depending on if the bridge is raised or not
via Southern route: 5 hours 45 minutes

Overall, I would probably choose to go through Chicago since I'm not paying $630 to save one hour.  :confused:
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Re: Lake Michigan Carferry (SS Badger) as part of US 10
« Reply #51 on: March 31, 2019, 02:08:34 PM »

From where I live to Ludington, this is how long each route would take:
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via Mackinac Bridge: 9 hours 30 minutes, depending on if the bridge is raised or not
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You are confused.  The Mackinac Bridge is a fixed suspension bridge.  It cannot be raised, and is not likely to be the cause of any delay except in case of inclement weather.  For more information:  https://www.mackinacbridge.org
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Re: Lake Michigan Carferry (SS Badger) as part of US 10
« Reply #52 on: March 31, 2019, 04:37:21 PM »

From where I live to Ludington, this is how long each route would take:
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via Mackinac Bridge: 9 hours 30 minutes, depending on if the bridge is raised or not
 ... :confused:
You are confused.  The Mackinac Bridge is a fixed suspension bridge.  It cannot be raised, and is not likely to be the cause of any delay except in case of inclement weather.  For more information:  https://www.mackinacbridge.org
I didn't know that. I just remember a long traffic jam at the bridge several years ago, so I associated that with it being a drawbridge, I guess.  :pan:
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Re: Lake Michigan Carferry (SS Badger) as part of US 10
« Reply #53 on: March 31, 2019, 08:00:19 PM »

From where I live to Ludington, this is how long each route would take:
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via Mackinac Bridge: 9 hours 30 minutes, depending on if the bridge is raised or not
 ... :confused:
You are confused.  The Mackinac Bridge is a fixed suspension bridge.  It cannot be raised, and is not likely to be the cause of any delay except in case of inclement weather.  For more information:  https://www.mackinacbridge.org
I didn't know that. I just remember a long traffic jam at the bridge several years ago, so I associated that with it being a drawbridge, I guess.  :pan:
There used to be a drawbridge on I-75, but it was a couple hundred miles south, near Saginaw, and it was removed in the mid-1980s, IIRC. 
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Re: Lake Michigan Carferry (SS Badger) as part of US 10
« Reply #54 on: March 31, 2019, 08:41:12 PM »

From where I live to Ludington, this is how long each route would take:
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via Mackinac Bridge: 9 hours 30 minutes, depending on if the bridge is raised or not
 ... :confused:
You are confused.  The Mackinac Bridge is a fixed suspension bridge.  It cannot be raised, and is not likely to be the cause of any delay except in case of inclement weather.  For more information:  https://www.mackinacbridge.org
I didn't know that. I just remember a long traffic jam at the bridge several years ago, so I associated that with it being a drawbridge, I guess.  :pan:
There used to be a drawbridge on I-75, but it was a couple hundred miles south, near Saginaw, and it was removed in the mid-1980s, IIRC. 

Wasn’t through traffic directed to I-675 (which has a fixed span) during that period for this reason?
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Re: Lake Michigan Carferry (SS Badger) as part of US 10
« Reply #55 on: April 01, 2019, 09:29:02 AM »

From where I live to Ludington, this is how long each route would take:
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via Mackinac Bridge: 9 hours 30 minutes, depending on if the bridge is raised or not
 ... :confused:
You are confused.  The Mackinac Bridge is a fixed suspension bridge.  It cannot be raised, and is not likely to be the cause of any delay except in case of inclement weather.  For more information:  https://www.mackinacbridge.org
I didn't know that. I just remember a long traffic jam at the bridge several years ago, so I associated that with it being a drawbridge, I guess.  :pan:
There used to be a drawbridge on I-75, but it was a couple hundred miles south, near Saginaw, and it was removed in the mid-1980s, IIRC. 

Wasn’t through traffic directed to I-675 (which has a fixed span) during that period for this reason?

Yes it was, hence why it was built in the first place.
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Re: Lake Michigan Carferry (SS Badger) as part of US 10
« Reply #56 on: April 01, 2019, 02:40:48 PM »

Lake Michigan has and does freeze over completely at the far south end between Michigan and Illinois.

It doesn't happen very often and the temps have to stay below freezing for an extended period for it occur.

The only exception is in Indiana near the BP refinery and Gary Steel Works where effluent from the Little Calumet River enters the lake well above freezing and so the water stays liquefied.

However there is a part of Lake Michigan between Michigan and Wisconsin that will never freeze simply because the water is just too deep and turns over frequently which inhibits it from icing up.

Anyone who has scuba dived at the southern end knows that it is relatively shallow there. In fact there is an area of petrified tree stumps on the lake bottom that date back to a pre-glacial forest.

This relative shallowness and lack of turnover is why it tends to freeze over and when it does it can be very solid.

No matter how cold it gets, attempting to drive across Lake Michigan would be a very dangerous (and foolish) undertaking.  For one thing, the ice thickness can vary radically as you travel across the lake. You get thin spots and you get large patches that never freeze.  And then there are the compression ridges that will block your path entirely.  As fun of an idea as this sounds, there's a reason why it isn't done.
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Re: Lake Michigan Carferry (SS Badger) as part of US 10
« Reply #57 on: April 01, 2019, 03:05:37 PM »

Lake Michigan isn't between any state, it's in Michigan, Wisconsin, Illinois and Indiana it's not in between them. The borders for each of these states is in the middle of Lake Michigan.
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Re: Lake Michigan Carferry (SS Badger) as part of US 10
« Reply #58 on: April 01, 2019, 03:10:13 PM »

From where I live to Ludington, this is how long each route would take:
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via Mackinac Bridge: 9 hours 30 minutes, depending on if the bridge is raised or not
 ... :confused:
You are confused.  The Mackinac Bridge is a fixed suspension bridge.  It cannot be raised, and is not likely to be the cause of any delay except in case of inclement weather.  For more information:  https://www.mackinacbridge.org
I didn't know that. I just remember a long traffic jam at the bridge several years ago, so I associated that with it being a drawbridge, I guess.  :pan:
There used to be a drawbridge on I-75, but it was a couple hundred miles south, near Saginaw, and it was removed in the mid-1980s, IIRC.
That's in my hometown and I pretty much watched the new bridge being built. They had a construction accident on the new bridge where they had to get a new crew to come in and finish the bridge. The opening was delayed by a few years. It opened in 1988 though. The old bridge was a drawbridge that opened frequently since they were still using the Saginaw River south of there but now they aren't using it south of the bridge anymore so the bridge wouldn't be opened as much today. The old drawbridge would have been between MM 153 and 154.
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Re: Lake Michigan Carferry (SS Badger) as part of US 10
« Reply #59 on: April 01, 2019, 03:12:52 PM »

From where I live to Ludington, this is how long each route would take:
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via Mackinac Bridge: 9 hours 30 minutes, depending on if the bridge is raised or not
 ... :confused:
You are confused.  The Mackinac Bridge is a fixed suspension bridge.  It cannot be raised, and is not likely to be the cause of any delay except in case of inclement weather.  For more information:  https://www.mackinacbridge.org
I didn't know that. I just remember a long traffic jam at the bridge several years ago, so I associated that with it being a drawbridge, I guess.  :pan:
There used to be a drawbridge on I-75, but it was a couple hundred miles south, near Saginaw, and it was removed in the mid-1980s, IIRC. 

Wasn’t through traffic directed to I-675 (which has a fixed span) during that period for this reason?
That's one of the reasons that I-675 was built was to bypass the drawbridge, the other reason was to allow easier access to downtown Saginaw. I-675 crosses the Saginaw River on a fixed span. All the bridges in Saginaw are fixed spans but all the bridges in Bay City are drawbridges. I-675 was used about 10 years ago for awhile for through traffic on I-75 while they maintained the Zilwaukee Bridge (which is the replacement for the drawbridge).
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