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MASTERNC

Quote from: ixnay on July 13, 2025, 08:52:09 PM
Quote from: Mr. Matté on July 13, 2025, 07:15:57 PMAt least the US 1 project between the PA Tpke and the R3 is all wrapped up (except minor punchlist, finished pavement at bridge ends, and ramp stop ahead sign removing). My shortcut to shunpiking as much of the Turnpike as I can is now a lot less stressful.

"The R3"?  :confused:

The SEPTA West Trenton Line?  Think R3 was the old line name.

ixnay

Quote from: MASTERNC on July 14, 2025, 08:55:46 AM
Quote from: ixnay on July 13, 2025, 08:52:09 PM
Quote from: Mr. Matté on July 13, 2025, 07:15:57 PMAt least the US 1 project between the PA Tpke and the R3 is all wrapped up (except minor punchlist, finished pavement at bridge ends, and ramp stop ahead sign removing). My shortcut to shunpiking as much of the Turnpike as I can is now a lot less stressful.

"The R3"?  :confused:

The SEPTA West Trenton Line?  Think R3 was the old line name.

Ah yes, the R1 thru 3 and R5 thru 8 (SEPTA never used R4).  IIRC the R3 on the ex-Pennsy RR/Penn Central side of the system went out to West Chester before it was cut back to Elwyn.

I hardly referred to the SEPTA Regional Rail lines as "the R[number]", but rather by their destinations.  I don't really miss the "R" labeling.  But that's a topic for AARoads' Mass Transit board.

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74/171FAN

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roadman65

I saw that someone on Facebook posted on oe of those articles that get facts wrong, that the lack of interchange between PA 378 and I-78 near Bethlehem was done because a powerful municipal politician requested that PennDOT not create such an exchange.

Does anyone know if that statement is true? After all it seems odd that a major N-S roadway has no connection to a major E- W freeway especially that I-78 is not a turnpike needing limited interchanges.
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The Ghostbuster

Given the angle Interstate 78 was constructed over PA 378, it likely would have been difficult to construct an interchange there.

roadman65

IMO I'm glad they limited interchanges along I-78.  It reduces sprawl along the corridor.

Keeping one in both Easton and Bethlehem was a good idea.  Allentown only has many because that part of I-78 was preexisting PA 309 established with many ramps already.

Even in NJ not connecting I-78 to Carpentersville Road or Route 519 was a great move.
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MASTERNC

Quote from: roadman65 on August 26, 2025, 10:17:46 AMIMO I'm glad they limited interchanges along I-78.  It reduces sprawl along the corridor.

Keeping one in both Easton and Bethlehem was a good idea.  Allentown only has many because that part of I-78 was preexisting PA 309 established with many ramps already.

Even in NJ not connecting I-78 to Carpentersville Road or Route 519 was a great move.

Unlike US 22, which is a mess

74/171FAN

The US 11 NB/US 15 NB sign at I-81 SB has finally been replaced with a monotube.

US 11 AND US 15 NORTH AT I-81 SOUTH by Mark Moore, on Flickr
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plain

Quote from: 74/171FAN on August 31, 2025, 07:21:58 PMThe US 11 NB/US 15 NB sign at I-81 SB has finally been replaced with a monotube.

US 11 AND US 15 NORTH AT I-81 SOUTH by Mark Moore, on Flickr

Maybe it's just the angle of the pic, but it looks like it's leaning a bit.
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roadman65

Is the section of PA 283 south of PA 230's southern terminus part of old US 230?

I remember someone on here commenting about the jersey wall on Route 283 south of PA 230 and how north of PA 230 it has a wider grassier median had something to do with an arterial becoming freeway, but can't remember if that poster said or not it was US 230.
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Bitmapped

Quote from: roadman65 on September 06, 2025, 08:23:03 AMIs the section of PA 283 south of PA 230's southern terminus part of old US 230?

I remember someone on here commenting about the jersey wall on Route 283 south of PA 230 and how north of PA 230 it has a wider grassier median had something to do with an arterial becoming freeway, but can't remember if that poster said or not it was US 230.

Yes, older Pennsylvania maps show this as US 230 and then PA 230 before becoming PA 283. The 1960 map shows it as a divided highway, so I think this was a new alignment rather than an upgrade of an early one. PA's 1950s standards would lead to the narrow median you see today.

The Ghostbuster

PA 283 should be numbered as part of PA 230. Does it cause confusion to have a PA 283 connect with Interstate 283?

Rothman

Quote from: The Ghostbuster on September 07, 2025, 11:11:56 AMPA 283 should be numbered as part of PA 230. Does it cause confusion to have a PA 283 connect with Interstate 283?

No.
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jpi

Quote from: Bitmapped on September 07, 2025, 10:58:27 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on September 06, 2025, 08:23:03 AMIs the section of PA 283 south of PA 230's southern terminus part of old US 230?

I remember someone on here commenting about the jersey wall on Route 283 south of PA 230 and how north of PA 230 it has a wider grassier median had something to do with an arterial becoming freeway, but can't remember if that poster said or not it was US 230.

Yes, older Pennsylvania maps show this as US 230 and then PA 230 before becoming PA 283. The 1960 map shows it as a divided highway, so I think this was a new alignment rather than an upgrade of an early one. PA's 1950s standards would lead to the narrow median you see today.

Yes, this was a new alignment that by-passed Harrisburg pike (the old alignment) Yes 283 from the 30 split to Mt Joy remainds me of 83 in York County because they were built around the same time frame. You can say the same for I-78 from Fredricksburg east to Fogelsville and I-70 from New Stanton west to Washington too.
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roadman65

Quote from: jpi on September 07, 2025, 11:57:11 AM
Quote from: Bitmapped on September 07, 2025, 10:58:27 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on September 06, 2025, 08:23:03 AMIs the section of PA 283 south of PA 230's southern terminus part of old US 230?

I remember someone on here commenting about the jersey wall on Route 283 south of PA 230 and how north of PA 230 it has a wider grassier median had something to do with an arterial becoming freeway, but can't remember if that poster said or not it was US 230.

Yes, older Pennsylvania maps show this as US 230 and then PA 230 before becoming PA 283. The 1960 map shows it as a divided highway, so I think this was a new alignment rather than an upgrade of an early one. PA's 1950s standards would lead to the narrow median you see today.

Yes, this was a new alignment that by-passed Harrisburg pike (the old alignment) Yes 283 from the 30 split to Mt Joy remainds me of 83 in York County because they were built around the same time frame. You can say the same for I-78 from Fredricksburg east to Fogelsville and I-70 from New Stanton west to Washington too.

Or another example is Allentown Blvd replacing Jonestown Road east of Paxtonia.  I'm guessing Allentown Blvd was built when the rest of US 22 was in Berks County.  The section of I-78 from Fredericksburg to Fogelsville was originally built to the same arterial Allentown Blvd in Dauphin  and Lebanon Counties is today. 
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Sheryl Crowe

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PennDOT - District 3 News: I-180 Closed in Both Directions in Northumberland County

QuoteMontoursville, PA – Motorists are advised that Interstate 180 is closed in both directions between McEwensville/Watsontown (Exit # 1) and Turbotville (Exit # 5) in Northumberland County, due to a truck striking the bridge that carries Eighth Street (Route 1006) over the interstate, with downed utility lines. Eighth Street is also closed currently.

A detour is in place using Susquehanna Trail (Route 1007), Route 54 and Church Road.

Utility companies are on site and the bridge will need to be inspected before the roadway can be reopened. The Pennsylvania Department of Transportation (PennDOT) and the Pennsylvania State Police (PSP) are coordinating. Updates will follow as more information becomes available.

Motorists can check conditions on major roadways by visiting www.511PA.com. 511PA, which is free and available 24 hours a day, provides traffic delay warnings, weather forecasts, traffic speed information and access to more than 1,000 traffic cameras. 511PA is also available through a smartphone application for iPhone and Android devices, by calling 5-1-1, or by following local alerts on X.

Subscribe to PennDOT news and traffic alerts in Tioga, Bradford, Lycoming, Sullivan, Union, Snyder, Northumberland, Montour and Columbia counties at www.penndot.pa.gov/District3.

Information about infrastructure in District 3 including completed work and significant projects, is available at www.penndot.pa.gov/D3Results Find PennDOT's planned and active construction projects at www.projects.penndot.gov.

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Quote from: Crown Victoria on September 26, 2025, 12:23:37 PMhttps://www.lehighvalleynews.com/transportation-news/interstate-22-new-designation-could-be-just-up-the-road-for-lehigh-valleys-main-highway

Well, it definitely won't be I-22. But maybe 278?

Maybe they could bring back I-378.  Also, the author of the article clearly didn't know about the I-22 in Alabama and Mississippi.
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The Ghostbuster

If the US 22 freeway is upgraded to Interstate standards, the only way the Interstate 278 designation would work is if its eastern end turned south on PA 33 to meet Interstate 78 again. If the Interstate designation goes all the way to Phillipsburg, it would need to be Interstate 178 (which was proposed when 78 was on 22 but not built: https://www.pahighways.com/interstates/pdi.html#I178). In reality, I think it would take a colossal upgrade to bring US 22 up to Interstate Standards, and even if it is done, adding an Interstate designation is unnecessary.

74/171FAN

They may try to push PA 33 as an interstate too for all we know.
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wildcat7176

Quote from: The Ghostbuster on September 26, 2025, 01:00:43 PMIf the US 22 freeway is upgraded to Interstate standards, the only way the Interstate 278 designation would work is if its eastern end turned south on PA 33 to meet Interstate 78 again. If the Interstate designation goes all the way to Phillipsburg, it would need to be Interstate 178 (which was proposed when 78 was on 22 but not built: https://www.pahighways.com/interstates/pdi.html#I178). In reality, I think it would take a colossal upgrade to bring US 22 up to Interstate Standards, and even if it is done, adding an Interstate designation is unnecessary.

It certainly would be "colossal". When I first read this article I immediately thought of the 35 mph curves in Easton. I don't see any way you can fix that to get to interstate standards unless you completely realign the route and pave over the Easton Cemetery, which would probably never happen.

Hypothetically though, what if you made this new interstate go all the way west to Fredericksburg, then run along 78 and 81 to Harrisburg, then use the 22/322 freeway all the way up to State College, then (once they complete the State College Area Connector) it could end at I-99? Then you would have a full Interstate connection up to Penn State University for people in eastern PA.