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Another one I can think of in Virginia is the Eastern Shore. My dad and his people are from Northampton County (Eastville) and they said that they might as well be part of Maryland since the only time VA remembers them is during tax time and elections. They canít be far from the truth since there have been times Iíve seen images of the state on weather broadcasts, T-shirts, etc. that didnít include the Eastern Shore.
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The Plattsburgh NY area which associates more with Vermont than with NY state.
I find that hard to believe.
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Williamston and Ahoskie are lonely cities and with declining population. There's not much to do there and they are very isolated with low population.
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Maybe it isn't "isolated" in the strictest sense of the word, but Franklin County, Idaho might as well be in Utah. I've been there a few times and there's pretty much no difference between the Utah and Idaho sides of the Cache Valley. In addition, Franklin is included with Cache County, UT in the Logan metropolitan area. That region is also heavily Mormon, and I wouldn't be surprised if Franklin County residents associated more with the Wasatch Front than even nearby Pocatello.
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Williamston and Ahoskie are lonely cities and with declining population. There's not much to do there and they are very isolated with low population.
While that might be true I don't think that exactly fits the bill of the thread, as they're still very much associated with NC, also being part of the 'Inner Banks' region.
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Williamston and Ahoskie are lonely cities and with declining population. There's not much to do there and they are very isolated with low population.
While that might be true I don't think that exactly fits the bill of the thread, as they're still very much associated with NC, also being part of the 'Inner Banks' region.

So, maybe Emporia or Elizabeth city?
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Williamston and Ahoskie are lonely cities and with declining population. There's not much to do there and they are very isolated with low population.
While that might be true I don't think that exactly fits the bill of the thread, as they're still very much associated with NC, also being part of the 'Inner Banks' region.

So, maybe Emporia or Elizabeth city?
Elizabeth City somewhat, they associate a lot with Hampton Roads.

Moyock, a growing town (thanks to sprawl and residential development spilling from Virginia) is located right over the border on NC-168, and most definitely is associated with Hampton Roads.

Canít say too much about Emporia as my knowledge isnít strong on that city. It is only 40 minutes from Petersburg and an hour from Richmond, comparable to Elizabeth City with Hampton Roads, but thatís within the same state.
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The Upper Peninsula of Michigan tends to run more with the Wisconsin types than the Lower Peninsula. 

The central and western U.P. is definitely that way - from about Munising/Manistique west is closer to Milwaukee and Madison than Lansing and Detroit. For example, you get more Packers fans than Lions fans. Houghton and Marquette have a large number of college students from the Lower Peninsula, which helps keeps a Michigan connection. But folks drive to Green Bay, Wausau, Duluth, or Minneapolis to shop rather than a Lower Peninsula location.

The eastern U.P. is physically closer to Lower Peninsula markets, and the residents tend to identify more with the Lower Peininsula. Radio and television markets are tied to the Traverse City area, for example (if not the Sault Ste. Marie, Ontario market).

From Munising to Newberry and south is mostly forest with few residents, which results in a Central/Western U.P. cluster and a (much smaller) Eastern U.P. cluster. Then there's Wakefield/Bessemer/Ironwood, which are in Duluth TV markets and within a 4 hour drive of the Twin Cities. To them, Detroit might as well be in another country.
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The Plattsburgh NY area which associates more with Vermont than with NY state.
I find that hard to believe.

I have only been to the Plattsburgh area once, but in general the North Country and Vermont have a lot more in common with each other, than they do with Western and Central NY.
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The Idaho Panhandle? The only route is the mostly 2-lane US 95 and they are part of the Spokane media market.

I would argue the opposite ó rural WA and OR belong in Idaho.

Part of Southeastern Oregon is more closely tied to Boise, but the rest of Eastern WA and Northeastern OR are more closely tied with communities in WA (Spokane, Tri-Cities, Walla Walla, etc.)

It would be quite silly for Central WA to be part of Idaho, though. Wenatchee and the Yakima Valley have close ties to the Puget Sound region and would probably be unhappier to be ruled by far-flung Boise.

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The Plattsburgh NY area which associates more with Vermont than with NY state.
I find that hard to believe.

I have only been to the Plattsburgh area once, but in general the North Country and Vermont have a lot more in common with each other, than they do with Western and Central NY.
I still don't believe those in the Daks think that they're more of a part of Vermont than New York.
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The Plattsburgh NY area which associates more with Vermont than with NY state.
I find that hard to believe.
I have only been to the Plattsburgh area once, but in general the North Country and Vermont have a lot more in common with each other, than they do with Western and Central NY.
I still don't believe those in the Daks think that they're more of a part of Vermont than New York.

No, but that doesn't mean they have more in common with other parts of New York than they do with Vermont.
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The Plattsburgh NY area which associates more with Vermont than with NY state.
I find that hard to believe.
I have only been to the Plattsburgh area once, but in general the North Country and Vermont have a lot more in common with each other, than they do with Western and Central NY.
I still don't believe those in the Daks think that they're more of a part of Vermont than New York.

No, but that doesn't mean they have more in common with other parts of New York than they do with Vermont.
They certainly don't associate themselves with Vermont, which is where this discussion started.
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I have only been to the Plattsburgh area once, but in general the North Country and Vermont have a lot more in common with each other, than they do with Western and Central NY.
I still don't believe those in the Daks think that they're more of a part of Vermont than New York.
No, but that doesn't mean they have more in common with other parts of New York than they do with Vermont.
They certainly don't associate themselves with Vermont, which is where this discussion started.

To an "outsider" (of sorts) the area has a lot in common with Vermont. Maybe steviep24 should have phrased it differently, so it was clear that he is the one associating Plattsburgh with Vermont, not Plattsburgh residents themselves.
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Is the Northern Panhandle of WV more associated with PA do to the fact the TV and radio markets are from Pittsburgh?
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One serious issue that comes up is with health insurance.  I live in Nevada, about 1.5 miles from the CA/NV state line.  There's a basic clinic in Nevada near where I live but no hospital.  A few years ago something came up that eventually required surgery.  Initially my appointments were scheduled at the hospital in South Lake Tahoe, CA, which is just a few miles from my house, but upon double-checking the insurance I verified that I wasn't covered for anything non-emergency in a California hospital.  So the procedure had to be done, much less conveniently for me, at the hospital in Carson City, which is more than 25 miles from my house.  I'm sure there are examples that are much worse than mine.
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Surprised there's no mention of Wendover, Utah here. They're so attached to their neighboring community of West Wendover, Nevada, they nearly got to secede and join Nevada but it was blocked by Congress.

You could also argue the other way, because West Wendover is the only part of Nevada to be officially in the Mountain time zone — due to strong economic ties with the Wasatch Front in Utah. West Wendover exists because people from the populated parts of Utah make the 120-mile drive across the deserts to the nearest location with gambling and cheap booze (and soon, dispensaries).

Although Wendover doesn’t have any of those (and isn’t doing as well economically), it does still benefit from the SLC casino traffic because Utah has substantially lower hotel and gas taxes than Nevada. As evidence of this, all the chain hotels/motels in the area are east of the line.
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Is the Northern Panhandle of WV more associated with PA do to the fact the TV and radio markets are from Pittsburgh?

Not so much.  Actually the northern panhandle has its own TV and radio markets, although Pittsburgh stations come in just fine.  The place was way more populated when TV stations were allocated and is certainly on the list of places that would not have their own set if stations were allocated today.  Pittsburgh stations do not cover WV news at all, excepting WVU sports, as WVU has almost as many students from metro Pittsburgh as it does from WV. 

In sports, of course it is Steelers/Pirates.  But that is the way WV, with no teams of its own, is.  Steelers/Pirates on the north edge; Ravens/Orioles-Redskins/Nats in the eastern panhandle, Reds/Bengals in the main part, with some pre-Bengals Browns remnants in the main part and some Redskins and Panthers near the Virginia border in the south edge. 

What is left in that area is culturally and economically similar to the rest of steel country, pretty bombed out and no real hope of being economically significant again.  And the ethnic mix is much more like northern cities, which is to say ethnic based neighborhoods of people who self-identify as "hyphenated Americans" than central Appalachia, which is to say people of Scots-Irish, Scotish, Irish, English, Welsh, and German decent, with some Italian, eastern European, and Spanish mixed in, who have all mixed together and mostly self-identify as "American" and really don't care about all that. 

However, the northern panhandle has always had a grossly outsized influence on WV, particularly in politics, which is the main reason it not as oriented to Pittsburgh as it might be.

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Honestly, the whole vibe I get from the river cities and counties in West Virginia is much more "northern panhandle" than anywhere else. Maybe it's just me, but it seems to me like Huntington has more in common with Parkersburg, Wheeling, Weirton, etc., than it does with Williamson or Logan, which are much closer.
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Being someone that lives in central Texas, El Paso seems very removed from Texas.  Its in the mountains, in another time zone and so isolated from the majority of the populated areas of Texas by hundreds of miles of desert.  To me I more identify El Paso with New Mexico and Arizona than with Texas.  I feel the same about Amarillo having more in common with Oklahoma and Kansas than Texas.  That's an Austinite looking out, you would have to ask someone from there if that's all true.  Either place when I cross the Texas state line in Anthony, TX or in the northern reaches of the panhandle, its the happiest and most depressing thing ever.  Happy that I am back in Texas, but depressed that I am still very far from home. 
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Would Bristol County, MA count? It includes Attleboro and Fall River, but both associate with Providence, RI.
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Northwest Arkansas is culturally very different from the rest of the state, and thatís from being isolated by the mountains for so many years with little more than a 2-lane US highway connecting it with the River Valley.

Benton County has more of a Midwestern feel and in fact was very different politically, voting more like Kansas than the yellow dog rest of the state (before it all flipped red).

The only thing NWA had that the rest of the state cared about was the university, and even then for years the Razorbacks played four ďhomeĒ games in Little Rock. Finishing I-540 (now I-49) was a game changer.
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I am going to guess that Southwest Georgia is more associated with Tallahassee in Florida  than its own main core in Macon-Atlanta, and of course Savanah.   However, I imagine also Jasper County, SC and even Hilton Head is more associated with Savanah especially that the airport in Savanah is called Savanah- Hilton Head Island Airport.
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I have only been to the Plattsburgh area once, but in general the North Country and Vermont have a lot more in common with each other, than they do with Western and Central NY.
I still don't believe those in the Daks think that they're more of a part of Vermont than New York.
No, but that doesn't mean they have more in common with other parts of New York than they do with Vermont.
They certainly don't associate themselves with Vermont, which is where this discussion started.

To an "outsider" (of sorts) the area has a lot in common with Vermont. Maybe steviep24 should have phrased it differently, so it was clear that he is the one associating Plattsburgh with Vermont, not Plattsburgh residents themselves.

I live in the North Country. We certainly don't associate ourselves with Vermont... or anywhere else, for that matter. If anything, we associate more with Canada, but that's a stretch too.

Drive around in the North Country, then drive around in Vermont. Nothing alike. Vermont actually prides itself on beautification and natural beauty, for one, while the North Country is poor, with run-down buildings and overgrown weeds everywhere. It's long been said that this area is recession-proof because it's always in a recession. The two regions aren't even politically alike, either.
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Compare the North Country to Nevada, and then compare it to Vermont. They're not identical, but you can tell you're in the same general region. The North Country is beautiful as well, and has similar scenery. It's just not as pristine and well-maintained as Vermont.

It's true the North Country is different politically than Vermont - increasingly so - but consider that education was the #1 predictor in 2016, and it's no surprise that much of the North Country turned red while Vermont remained blue.
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