AARoads Forum

Please login or register.

Login with username, password and session length

Author Topic: Was US 211 ever posted in Washington DC? yes it was  (Read 720 times)

Mapmikey

  • *
  • Offline Offline

  • Posts: 2693
  • Co-curator with Froggie of www.vahighways.com

  • Age: 49
  • Last Login: Today at 09:27:42 AM
    • Co-curator Virginia Highways Project
Was US 211 ever posted in Washington DC? yes it was
« on: August 10, 2019, 01:36:10 PM »

Some maps have shown US 211 going into DC in the 1930s-40s.

Was it ever posted?

DDOT has a nice historical photo gallery where I found two different US 211 Truck signs...

Click on photos for a larger and clearer view of the postings...

This is Constitution Ave WB at Virginia Ave, where there is a US 29-211-240 TRUCK posting.  Note that it appears all truck routes in DC were signed in this way...saw numerous examples of US 240 Truck plus some US 1-50 Truck signs.



This is Constitution Ave WB at 10th NW.  The US 29-211 Truck sign is right under the signals set for 25 mph sign



But searching a little longer turns up this photo of M St EB at Wisconsin.  I darkened the photo to make seeing the 211 shield a little clearer.  The original photo is here which is also a DDOT photo.
« Last Edit: August 11, 2019, 09:06:44 PM by Mapmikey »
Logged

1995hoo

  • *
  • Offline Offline

  • Posts: 10200
  • Age: 46
  • Location: Fairfax County, Virginia
  • Last Login: Today at 10:31:33 AM
Re: Was US 211 ever posted in Washington DC? yes it was
« Reply #1 on: August 10, 2019, 03:17:57 PM »

Great photos, especially the first one showing those wartime buildings that used to be where Constitution Gardens are today. I've seen aerial images showing those buildings, but this is the first time I can recall seeing a ground-level view.
Logged
"You know, you never have a guaranteed spot until you have a spot guaranteed."
—Olaf Kolzig, as quoted in the Washington Times on March 28, 2003,
commenting on the Capitals clinching a playoff spot.

"That sounded stupid, didn't it?"—Kolzig, to the same reporter a few seconds later.

ixnay

  • *
  • Offline Offline

  • Posts: 842
  • Location: U.S. East Coast
  • Last Login: Today at 08:51:43 AM
Re: Was US 211 ever posted in Washington DC? yes it was
« Reply #2 on: August 10, 2019, 07:47:30 PM »

Great photos, especially the first one showing those wartime buildings that used to be where Constitution Gardens are today. I've seen aerial images showing those buildings, but this is the first time I can recall seeing a ground-level view.

Notice the four-sided street signs, which Baltimore had back in that era too.

ixnay
Logged

AlexandriaVA

  • *
  • Offline Offline

  • Posts: 1055
  • Location: Virginia
  • Last Login: August 20, 2019, 11:36:25 PM
Re: Was US 211 ever posted in Washington DC? yes it was
« Reply #3 on: August 10, 2019, 08:48:19 PM »

Great photos, especially the first one showing those wartime buildings that used to be where Constitution Gardens are today. I've seen aerial images showing those buildings, but this is the first time I can recall seeing a ground-level view.

The infamous "tempos" i.e. "temporary" which lasted into the Nixon administration
Logged

cpzilliacus

  • *
  • Offline Offline

  • Posts: 10272
  • Age: 60
  • Location: Maryland
  • Last Login: August 20, 2019, 07:54:31 PM
Re: Was US 211 ever posted in Washington DC? yes it was
« Reply #4 on: August 12, 2019, 01:37:55 PM »

It was never clear to me where U.S. 211 officially ended in the District of Columbia.

I have personally seen U.S. 211 shields on M Street, N.W. approaching the signals at Key Bridge, N.W.

Added:  I saw those U.S. 211 shields many years after Whitehurst Freeway, N.W. (not actually a freeway) was open to traffic (and presumably U.S. 29 was moved to the "freeway" when it opened to traffic, so those U.S. 211 shields could have been long forgotten sign that were not removed by a predecessor agency to DDOT).
« Last Edit: August 15, 2019, 01:21:23 PM by cpzilliacus »
Logged
Opinions expressed here on AAROADS are strictly personal and mine alone, and do not reflect policies or positions of MWCOG, NCRTPB or their member federal, state, county and municipal governments or any other agency.

usends

  • *
  • Offline Offline

  • Posts: 519
  • usends.com

  • Location: Headwaters Hill, CO
  • Last Login: Today at 11:12:49 AM
    • US highway endpoints, photos, maps, and history
Re: Was US 211 ever posted in Washington DC? yes it was
« Reply #5 on: August 12, 2019, 09:38:32 PM »

It was never clear to me where U.S. 211 officially ended in the District of Columbia.
FWIW: after M Street, the 1942 map on this page shows US 211 going southeast on Penn, then east on K, ending at 17th (jct. US 1).
Logged
usends.com - US highway endpoints, photos, maps, and history

Mapmikey

  • *
  • Offline Offline

  • Posts: 2693
  • Co-curator with Froggie of www.vahighways.com

  • Age: 49
  • Last Login: Today at 09:27:42 AM
    • Co-curator Virginia Highways Project
Re: Was US 211 ever posted in Washington DC? yes it was
« Reply #6 on: August 13, 2019, 06:39:12 AM »

It was never clear to me where U.S. 211 officially ended in the District of Columbia.
FWIW: after M Street, the 1942 map on this page shows US 211 going southeast on Penn, then east on K, ending at 17th (jct. US 1).

Virginia State Officials 1937-41 also explicitly show this...

From 1937:


The earliest Official Maryland map I can find online that shows level of detail in DC is 1946 and US 211 is not shown in DC.  The 1940 map doesn't show detail at all.

Esso Maps from around the same time also show this.  Don't know how late exactly.  A 1950 issue does NOT show it in DC anymore.

The 1932 Esso map shows that it ended at either US 240 (Pennsylvania at 22nd) or at the US Capitol which is where US 1-50 was running at the time.  This map (matched by a late 20s issue) also shows US 240 coming south on 22nd then southeast on Virginia then east on E St to at least the White House.  So US 211 may have ended at US 240 and US 240 carried over to the Capitol.
Logged

Beltway

  • *
  • Offline Offline

  • Posts: 5194
  • Roads to the Future

  • Location: Richmond, VA
  • Last Login: Today at 07:34:33 AM
Re: Was US 211 ever posted in Washington DC? yes it was
« Reply #7 on: August 13, 2019, 07:24:57 AM »

So did US-29 and US-211 cross the river over Key Bridge?
Logged
http://www.roadstothefuture.com
http://www.capital-beltway.com
On the Plains of Hesitation, bleach the bones of countless millions who, at the Dawn of Victory, sat down to wait, and waiting died.

Mapmikey

  • *
  • Offline Offline

  • Posts: 2693
  • Co-curator with Froggie of www.vahighways.com

  • Age: 49
  • Last Login: Today at 09:27:42 AM
    • Co-curator Virginia Highways Project
Re: Was US 211 ever posted in Washington DC? yes it was
« Reply #8 on: August 13, 2019, 07:51:33 AM »

So did US-29 and US-211 cross the river over Key Bridge?

yes
Logged

mrsman

  • *
  • Offline Offline

  • Posts: 2379
  • Age: 43
  • Location: Silver Spring, MD
  • Last Login: Today at 08:04:11 AM
Re: Was US 211 ever posted in Washington DC? yes it was
« Reply #9 on: August 13, 2019, 09:41:49 PM »

So did US-29 and US-211 cross the river over Key Bridge?

yes
I could easily see that many of the highways that were routed to DC would be ending at the Capitol.  For many reasons it to Mark the center town and a place where all roadways would emanate from.  Even today we still see some US highways that could be truncated at the edges of towns be brought as a multiplex into the city centre.  Case in point Cleveland public square.  Another example state capitol complex in Sacramento but that's no longer currently true but it was true during the heyday of US highways.

so for routing purposes and directional purposes it made sense to extend us-211 and US 242 the capital even though they multiplexed other routes to get there.  Overtime they cleaned up the US system to first avoid any multiplexes and then to eventually get rid of 211 and 240 from the DC area all together. 

Nexus 5X

Logged

froggie

  • *
  • Offline Offline

  • Posts: 10704
  • Location: Greensboro, VT
  • Last Login: Today at 06:36:18 AM
    • Froggie's Place
Re: Was US 211 ever posted in Washington DC? yes it was
« Reply #10 on: August 14, 2019, 09:35:45 AM »

Quote from: mrsman
I could easily see that many of the highways that were routed to DC would be ending at the Capitol Zero Milestone behind the White House on E Street NW.

I think this would be the more appropriate location.  And, pending any evidence to the contrary, might have been the endpoint for US 211 in the beginning, given what Mapmikey posted above.
Logged

sparker

  • *
  • Offline Offline

  • Posts: 5854
  • Location: Bay Area, CA
  • Last Login: Today at 10:28:34 AM
Re: Was US 211 ever posted in Washington DC? yes it was
« Reply #11 on: August 14, 2019, 06:02:52 PM »

so for routing purposes and directional purposes it made sense to extend us-211 and US 242 the capital even though they multiplexed other routes to get there.  Overtime they cleaned up the US system to first avoid any multiplexes and then to eventually get rid of 211 and 240 from the DC area all together. 

Nexus 5X


The advent of the Interstate system in all likelihood sealed the fate of US 211 east of Manassas and the entirety of US 240, with much of their functions replaced by, respectively, I-66 and, first, I-70S and then I-270.  Ironically, I-66, like its predecessor, did make it into DC, but was truncated to its present terminus (at US 29) for reasons well-known to most of us, while I-70S/270 never made it inside the Beltway. 
Logged

Beltway

  • *
  • Offline Offline

  • Posts: 5194
  • Roads to the Future

  • Location: Richmond, VA
  • Last Login: Today at 07:34:33 AM
Re: Was US 211 ever posted in Washington DC? yes it was
« Reply #12 on: August 14, 2019, 08:46:04 PM »

The advent of the Interstate system in all likelihood sealed the fate of US 211 east of Manassas
East of Gainesville.

and the entirety of US 240, with much of their functions replaced by, respectively, I-66 and, first, I-70S and then I-270.  Ironically, I-66, like its predecessor, did make it into DC, but was truncated to its present terminus (at US 29) for reasons well-known to most of us, while I-70S/270 never made it inside the Beltway. 
Is I-66 no longer signed into D.C.?
Logged
http://www.roadstothefuture.com
http://www.capital-beltway.com
On the Plains of Hesitation, bleach the bones of countless millions who, at the Dawn of Victory, sat down to wait, and waiting died.

vdeane

  • *
  • *
  • Offline Offline

  • Posts: 10205
  • Age: 28
  • Location: Latham, NY
  • Last Login: August 22, 2019, 08:29:46 PM
    • New York State Roads
Re: Was US 211 ever posted in Washington DC? yes it was
« Reply #13 on: August 14, 2019, 09:07:27 PM »

and the entirety of US 240, with much of their functions replaced by, respectively, I-66 and, first, I-70S and then I-270.  Ironically, I-66, like its predecessor, did make it into DC, but was truncated to its present terminus (at US 29) for reasons well-known to most of us, while I-70S/270 never made it inside the Beltway. 
Is I-66 no longer signed into D.C.?
Is this not US 29?
Logged
Please note: All comments here represent my own personal opinion and do not reflect the official position of NYSDOT or its affiliates.

Beltway

  • *
  • Offline Offline

  • Posts: 5194
  • Roads to the Future

  • Location: Richmond, VA
  • Last Login: Today at 07:34:33 AM
Re: Was US 211 ever posted in Washington DC? yes it was
« Reply #14 on: August 14, 2019, 09:47:57 PM »

and the entirety of US 240, with much of their functions replaced by, respectively, I-66 and, first, I-70S and then I-270.  Ironically, I-66, like its predecessor, did make it into DC, but was truncated to its present terminus (at US 29) for reasons well-known to most of us, while I-70S/270 never made it inside the Beltway. 
Is I-66 no longer signed into D.C.?
Is this not US 29?
I would have called that K Street.

I figured that he was talking about US-29 in Rosslyn.
Logged
http://www.roadstothefuture.com
http://www.capital-beltway.com
On the Plains of Hesitation, bleach the bones of countless millions who, at the Dawn of Victory, sat down to wait, and waiting died.

1995hoo

  • *
  • Offline Offline

  • Posts: 10200
  • Age: 46
  • Location: Fairfax County, Virginia
  • Last Login: Today at 10:31:33 AM
Re: Was US 211 ever posted in Washington DC? yes it was
« Reply #15 on: August 15, 2019, 08:37:51 AM »

The advent of the Interstate system in all likelihood sealed the fate of US 211 east of Manassas
East of Gainesville.

....

And, of course, it now ends in Warrenton.
Logged
"You know, you never have a guaranteed spot until you have a spot guaranteed."
—Olaf Kolzig, as quoted in the Washington Times on March 28, 2003,
commenting on the Capitals clinching a playoff spot.

"That sounded stupid, didn't it?"—Kolzig, to the same reporter a few seconds later.

sparker

  • *
  • Offline Offline

  • Posts: 5854
  • Location: Bay Area, CA
  • Last Login: Today at 10:28:34 AM
Re: Was US 211 ever posted in Washington DC? yes it was
« Reply #16 on: August 15, 2019, 05:12:51 PM »

and the entirety of US 240, with much of their functions replaced by, respectively, I-66 and, first, I-70S and then I-270.  Ironically, I-66, like its predecessor, did make it into DC, but was truncated to its present terminus (at US 29) for reasons well-known to most of us, while I-70S/270 never made it inside the Beltway. 
Is I-66 no longer signed into D.C.?
Is this not US 29?
I would have called that K Street.

I figured that he was talking about US-29 in Rosslyn.

I wasn't; I was referring to that section of 29 indeed running along K Street.  Sorry, I'm not a local, so local designation idioms aren't always apparent to me.  But a secondary point I was making was that I-66 actually ended at a US highway rather than at a random location within DC. 
Logged

Beltway

  • *
  • Offline Offline

  • Posts: 5194
  • Roads to the Future

  • Location: Richmond, VA
  • Last Login: Today at 07:34:33 AM
Re: Was US 211 ever posted in Washington DC? yes it was
« Reply #17 on: August 15, 2019, 05:20:50 PM »

I would have called that K Street.
I figured that he was talking about US-29 in Rosslyn.
I wasn't; I was referring to that section of 29 indeed running along K Street.  Sorry, I'm not a local, so local designation idioms aren't always apparent to me.  But a secondary point I was making was that I-66 actually ended at a US highway rather than at a random location within DC. 

I'm not sure how many people in the area even think about US-29 being there, or following US-29 thru the city.

They would know where major thoroughfares are such as K Street, Connecticut Avenue, Wisconsin Avenue, 14th Street, etc.

I-66 ending there was an accident based on that being the point where further construction was blocked by RE/T groups.
Logged
http://www.roadstothefuture.com
http://www.capital-beltway.com
On the Plains of Hesitation, bleach the bones of countless millions who, at the Dawn of Victory, sat down to wait, and waiting died.

Alps

  • Everybody Obeys the Octagon
  • *
  • *
  • Offline Offline

  • Posts: 12581
  • Elimitante the truck trarffic,

  • Age: 36
  • Location: New Jersey
  • Last Login: August 22, 2019, 11:12:32 PM
    • Alps' Roads
Re: Was US 211 ever posted in Washington DC? yes it was
« Reply #18 on: August 16, 2019, 01:01:48 AM »

and the entirety of US 240, with much of their functions replaced by, respectively, I-66 and, first, I-70S and then I-270.  Ironically, I-66, like its predecessor, did make it into DC, but was truncated to its present terminus (at US 29) for reasons well-known to most of us, while I-70S/270 never made it inside the Beltway. 
Is I-66 no longer signed into D.C.?
Is this not US 29?
I would have called that K Street.

I figured that he was talking about US-29 in Rosslyn.

I wasn't; I was referring to that section of 29 indeed running along K Street.  Sorry, I'm not a local, so local designation idioms aren't always apparent to me.  But a secondary point I was making was that I-66 actually ended at a US highway rather than at a random location within DC. 
I'm pretty sure I-66 never extended farther than it does now.

 


Opinions expressed here on belong solely to the poster and do not represent or reflect the opinions or beliefs of AARoads, its creators and/or associates.