Yield to whom???

[ilpt4u]

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This is an intersection I drive thru often enough, as I work out of an office near here. It is the intersection of South St (to the East), Spruce St (to the West) and 15th St (North/South) in the town of Murphysboro, IL

Traffic from the West has the Right of Way, as Traffic from the East, North, and South directions are all Controlled with Stop Signs, and Traffic from the West is Uncontrolled. However, Right Turning traffic going South on 15th St to West on Spruce St is Controlled with a Yield sign

I have never figured out to whom I am supposed to Yield...the only conflicting Uncontrolled Movement is a U-Turn movement on Spruce St...Continuing West from South St to Spruce has a Stop Sign, and turning Left to go West on Spruce from the South on 15th is also Controlled with a Stop Sign

I am under the impression that "Yield" Controlled Traffic has ROW ahead of "Stop" Controlled Traffic...so again, to whom is a motorist Yielding to?

I think what the sign is trying to say is turning right without stopping is OK...But I am not sure what signage would be better. No signage? A Merge sign? A powered Green Right Arrow 24/7?

[vdeane]

Slip lanes like that are typically controlled as if they're a separate intersection from the main one.  In this case, you'd yield to anyone proceeding along with their movements after stopping, as those stop signs are relative to the main intersection, not your yield.

[kphoger]

I agree with vdeane's assessment.  The right-turn slip is treated as its own intersecting road.

[ilpt4u]

Slip lanes like that are typically controlled as if they're a separate intersection from the main one.  In this case, you'd yield to anyone proceeding along with their movements after stopping, as those stop signs are relative to the main intersection, not your yield.

Wow. Missed that day in Drivers Ed!

I figured it was a much a part of the intersection as a Right Turn Lane is at a Stoplight

Go ahead and ticket me, but I'm not Yielding to a stopped car at a Stop sign. Of course if another vehicle is already rolling thru the intersection, I'm not about to test the Laws of Physics to see if 2 or more objects really can occupy the same space at the same time...

[vdeane]

You're not meant to yield to a stopped car (or at least I would think not), but to the one rolling through.  I don't know how often that would happen, but there's enough space that it's certainly not never.

[ilpt4u]

You're not meant to yield to a stopped car (or at least I would think not)

The way it is signed, it makes me do a double take, anyway

You at least present a reasonable thought process as to why this is signed this way.

Part of me still thinks it is there to give that right turn movement the ability to proceed without coming to a complete stop

[1995hoo]

I haven't looked at the link, but I'm chuffed to see the correct use of "whom."   

[kphoger]

I figured it was a much a part of the intersection as a Right Turn Lane is at a Stoplight

Well, some places (such as extensively in Missouri), the right turn slip lane at a stoplight is yield sign-controlled.  You live in Illinois, where this basically never happens:  there's always a stop bar and it is always stoplight-controlled in Illinois (exceptions may exist but they're exceedingly rare).  So, from Missouri's perspective, it is indeed as much a part of the intersection as a right turn lane at a stoplight–that is to say, not really at all.

Go ahead and ticket me, but I'm not Yielding to a stopped car at a Stop sign. Of course if another vehicle is already rolling thru the intersection

That's precisely what it's for:  yielding to another vehicle already rolling through the intersection.  Basically, if I come up to the stop sign from your left, and you're preparing to turn right, then I don't have to wait for you at all because you are not actually approaching the same intersection as I am.  So I'll go, no matter who got there first, and you'll need to yield to me.

[kphoger]

Also, if a car is coming toward you and turning left, he wouldn't have to let you go first, no matter when you got there relative to him.  You would then need to yield to him before turning right.

[RobbieL2415]

The yield sign isn't technically necessary.  The very basic motor vehicle stautes should stipulate that traffic that intersects but does not cross a through street must give way absent traffic control.

[jeffandnicole]

Slip lanes like that are typically controlled as if they're a separate intersection from the main one.  In this case, you'd yield to anyone proceeding along with their movements after stopping, as those stop signs are relative to the main intersection, not your yield.

Wow. Missed that day in Drivers Ed!

I figured it was a much a part of the intersection as a Right Turn Lane is at a Stoplight

Go ahead and ticket me, but I'm not Yielding to a stopped car at a Stop sign. Of course if another vehicle is already rolling thru the intersection, I'm not about to test the Laws of Physics to see if 2 or more objects really can occupy the same space at the same time...

This is why people should get a 100% correct score on a drivers test.  If you get just 1 question wrong, it can be life and death to other drivers.  If you don't know the alcohol content of a shot of liquor and you don't drink, usually not a big deal.  If you don't know what to do at a 3 sided sign with the letters Y I E L D on it, it can have fatal consequences.

I'm not going to repeat what everyone else said, because they have it correct.  And quite frankly, it doesn't matter what you believe is correct - if there's a Yield sign, it overrides any other basic statutory rule.  You must yield to others.  This example you provided is ultra common at many intersections country-wide.

Also, per the Illinois driver's handbook:

"A driver must yield the right of way to other drivers, bicyclists or pedestrians: 
...
When approaching a YIELD sign. A driver should slow down or stop to avoid a crash."

[roadman]

This is why people should get a 100% correct score on a drivers test.  If you get just 1 question wrong, it can be life and death to other drivers.  If you don't know the alcohol content of a shot of liquor and you don't drink, usually not a big deal.  If you don't know what to do at a 3 sided sign with the letters Y I E L D on it, it can have fatal consequences.

This is also why written drivers tests should be more extensive then they currently are (in Massachusetts, the written test is ten twenty-five multiple choice questions (thanks I for the clarification)), and should focus far less on the "nanny rules of the day (i.e. cell phone restrictions)" and more on the actual rules of the road.

[kphoger]

It's possible that they consider the nanny rules to be more safety-minded than the actual driving rules.  For example, keeping people from driving drunk or texting behind the wheel might do more for driver safety than making sure they use their signal the proper number of feet before turning.

[hotdogPi]

This is why people should get a 100% correct score on a drivers test.  If you get just 1 question wrong, it can be life and death to other drivers.  If you don't know the alcohol content of a shot of liquor and you don't drink, usually not a big deal.  If you don't know what to do at a 3 sided sign with the letters Y I E L D on it, it can have fatal consequences.

This is also why written drivers tests should be more extensive then they currently are (in Massachusetts, the written test is ten multiple choice questions), and should focus far less on the "nanny rules of the day (i.e. cell phone restrictions)" and more on the actual rules of the road.

The "written" (online) test was 25 questions when I did it.

[roadman]

This is why people should get a 100% correct score on a drivers test.  If you get just 1 question wrong, it can be life and death to other drivers.  If you don't know the alcohol content of a shot of liquor and you don't drink, usually not a big deal.  If you don't know what to do at a 3 sided sign with the letters Y I E L D on it, it can have fatal consequences.

This is also why written drivers tests should be more extensive then they currently are (in Massachusetts, the written test is ten multiple choice questions), and should focus far less on the "nanny rules of the day (i.e. cell phone restrictions)" and more on the actual rules of the road.

The "written" (online) test was 25 questions when I did it.

Thanks.  Have updated my post.

[jakeroot]

(in Massachusetts, the written test is ten twenty-five multiple choice questions (thanks I for the clarification))

When I took my knowledge/theory test in WA back in 2011, it was 40 questions. You can miss up to eight, which seems generous.

[ilpt4u]

Apparently I am getting roasted for not comprehending this

I know full and well what the red and white triangle Yield sign means. That is why I made the post...as, from my perspective, all other conflicting movements are Stop sign controlled, and therefore, the only thing to yield to are pedestrians, which does not typically require a sign

Most times I come across Yield signs, it is an area where conflicting movements are Uncontrolled, or in the case of Missouri Stoplight Right Turn Lanes, may have a Green Light - Obviously the Yield Controlled approaches yield ROW to Uncontrolled or Green Light Movements

That is why I posited the question...this is relatively unique, as the Yield sign is controlling a movement where it seems all conflicting movements are already Stop sign controlled

Some of the summations I have read in responses about drivers at conflicting Stop signs, I would say are flat out wrong. Absolutely Stop sign controlled movements are required to Yield ROW to other non-stopped traffic. Two cars approach that intersection, both to be heading west, one from the North and one from the South, the approach from the South must Stop and scan the intersection for conflicting movements including the uncontrolled eastbound approach and the Yield controlled Southbound-to-Westbound movement, the approach from the North sees the stopped conflicting movement, scans for Pedestrians or Bicyclists, and cautiously turns right without stopping.

Why is not the left turning driver from the South required to stay Stopped until the turn can be made safely, which includes not rear-ending the right turning driver from the North?

Maybe I am misunderstanding Stop signs...but Stop means Stop and make sure conflicting movements are clear, wait your turn at multi-way Stops, and then proceed

My long winded point is that Yield sign is meaningless. And I read this idea that slip turn lanes are a separate intersection...not usually in IL. Stoplights in IL that have the right turn slip lane are controlled by the same stoplight - and when that stoplight malfunctions and blinks red, that right turn slip lane is still part of the Giant 4-Way Stop. Heck, I have been at four way stops with slip lanes that are part of the four way. So I'm not buying that explanation - short of Illinois Statute dictating such

[hotdogPi]

My long winded point is that Yield sign is meaningless. And I read this idea that slip turn lanes are a separate intersection...not usually in IL. Stoplights in IL that have the right turn slip lane are controlled by the same stoplight - and when that stoplight malfunctions and blinks red, that right turn slip lane is still part of the Giant 4-Way Stop. Heck, I have been at four way stops with slip lanes that are part of the four way. So I'm not buying that explanation - short of Illinois Statute dictating such

So you're saying that if the yield sign wasn't there, you would be required to stop in the slip lane?

[ilpt4u]

My long winded point is that Yield sign is meaningless. And I read this idea that slip turn lanes are a separate intersection...not usually in IL. Stoplights in IL that have the right turn slip lane are controlled by the same stoplight - and when that stoplight malfunctions and blinks red, that right turn slip lane is still part of the Giant 4-Way Stop. Heck, I have been at four way stops with slip lanes that are part of the four way. So I'm not buying that explanation - short of Illinois Statute dictating such

So you're saying that if the yield sign wasn't there, you would be required to stop in the slip lane?

I would treat it as such, yes

The Yield sign makes the Right Turn movement in the slip lane able to go non-stop

[hotdogPi]

My long winded point is that Yield sign is meaningless. And I read this idea that slip turn lanes are a separate intersection...not usually in IL. Stoplights in IL that have the right turn slip lane are controlled by the same stoplight - and when that stoplight malfunctions and blinks red, that right turn slip lane is still part of the Giant 4-Way Stop. Heck, I have been at four way stops with slip lanes that are part of the four way. So I'm not buying that explanation - short of Illinois Statute dictating such

So you're saying that if the yield sign wasn't there, you would be required to stop in the slip lane?

I would treat it as such, yes

So that's the point of the yield sign, then. It's telling you that stopping isn't required.

However, Illinois really should change this law to match the rest of the country. In every other state, it would be as vdeane described.

[jeffandnicole]

Stoplights in IL that have the right turn slip lane are controlled by the same stoplight - and when that stoplight malfunctions and blinks red, that right turn slip lane is still part of the Giant 4-Way Stop.

This is why you're not comprehending it. Your taking standard state law for what do do in normal cases. However, once a sign is posted, then that becomes the rule for that particular case.

In this case, it's an all way stop and everyone waits their turn. However, since you're at the yield, you don't need to wait your turn, and you go when safe.

[jeffandnicole]

For another example: State law usually dictates what the speed limit will be on various types of roadways. However, once a speed limit sign is posted, then that becomes the speed limit, not the statutory limit for that type of roadway.

[ilpt4u]

Stoplights in IL that have the right turn slip lane are controlled by the same stoplight - and when that stoplight malfunctions and blinks red, that right turn slip lane is still part of the Giant 4-Way Stop.

This is why you're not comprehending it. Your taking standard state law for what do do in normal cases. However, once a sign is posted, then that becomes the rule for that particular case.

In this case, it's an all way stop and everyone waits their turn. However, since you're at the yield, you don't need to wait your turn, and you go when safe.

Agreed - but is that really necessary to have a Yield sign to communicate that? I guess it doesn't hurt

I do appreciate the responses I have read. I still find it odd.

It would be much more "normal"  if that slip lane displayed a Stop sign, imho

[hotdogPi]

Stoplights in IL that have the right turn slip lane are controlled by the same stoplight - and when that stoplight malfunctions and blinks red, that right turn slip lane is still part of the Giant 4-Way Stop.

This is why you're not comprehending it. Your taking standard state law for what do do in normal cases. However, once a sign is posted, then that becomes the rule for that particular case.

In this case, it's an all way stop and everyone waits their turn. However, since you're at the yield, you don't need to wait your turn, and you go when safe.

Agreed - but is that really necessary to have a Yield sign to communicate that? I guess it doesn't hurt

I do appreciate the responses I have read. I still find it odd.

It would be much more "normal"  if that slip lane displayed a Stop sign, imho

The whole point of a slip lane is so that right-turning traffic doesn't have to stop.

[jakeroot]

OP, you'll want to check this out: https://www.google.com/maps/@46.9198854,-122.5681015,138m/data=!3m1!1e3

At this intersection near Yelm, WA, the four-way stop is totally surrounded on all four sides by right-turn slip lanes with yield signs.

In practice, the right turn slip lanes proceed, without stopping, whenever the vehicle to their left goes straight. But the slip lanes are not part of the main stop-controlled intersection, so they must always yield.