Coronavirus pandemic

[Max Rockatansky]

It was kind of nice going off grid today off-roading and ghost town hunting.  Even if it was half the day it was nice not to hear Virus-this-and-that.  I know a couple people who have cancelled trips (granted when they asked me I told them not to) and had to eat the lost money (travel insurance pays for itself sometimes).  I've been fielding a lot of employee questions on what to do, it really isn't too dissimilar to what anyone ought to be doing regarding basic sanitation. 

[ozarkman417]

Missouri has reported its first COVID-19 case- in Saint Louis County.
https://www.kmov.com/news/first-missouri-covid--case-confirmed-in-st-louis-county/article_039df6e6-60d5-11ea-b21c-73e9e9f251b7.html

[vdeane]

I still don't get on how the coronavirus has more cases than SARS.

SARS had a tendency to kill its victims before they could spread it to too many other people.  Coronavirus doesn't.

The SARS virus was also a coronavirus. It's like "Holland" and "Netherlands".

At least in the US, nobody cares about the technicality.  "Coronavirus" is used colloquially to refer specifically to this outbreak.

To update what I originally posted, I was reading today that there was one other distinction between SARS and the coronavirus people colloquially call coronavirus that causes the latter to spread so much more: SARS could only spread when a person was showing symptoms, not before.

[J N Winkler]

The SARS virus was also a coronavirus. It's like "Holland" and "Netherlands".

At least in the US, nobody cares about the technicality.  "Coronavirus" is used colloquially to refer specifically to this outbreak.

To update what I originally posted, I was reading today that there was one other distinction between SARS and the coronavirus people colloquially call coronavirus that causes the latter to spread so much more: SARS could only spread when a person was showing symptoms, not before.

Notwithstanding the agents for both SARS and COVID-19 being both bat coronaviruses, there is one other respect in which I hope the two diseases are different:  SARS survivors are at greatly elevated risk of bone tissue necrosis.

[J N Winkler]

338 cases in the US yesterday, 429 now.  States/state-level jurisdictions announcing their first confirmed cases today include DC, VA, SC, MO, UT, and KS.

[bing101]

https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/where-coronvirus-bay-area-covid-19-santa-clara-15103180.php




An Update a Ship reported to have infected COVID-19 victims could head to the Port of Oakland on Monday.

[SSOWorld]

https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/where-coronvirus-bay-area-covid-19-santa-clara-15103180.php




An Update a Ship reported to have infected COVID-19 victims could head to the Port of Oakland on Monday.

Grand Princess - gotta wonder about those princess ships.  They're medusas.

[Bruce]

Cruise ships are just all around awful for everyone and everything. It's like tolerating toxic sludge.

They pollute and don't have a real economic justification unlike planes and cargo ships; the small towns they stop at aren't benefiting much if at all; the ships are staffed with underpaid and exploited workers while skirting employment laws by using different ports of registry; they harm the marine life they pass over and often dump waste into the water without proper treatment; and finally, they are a paradise for diseases like norovirus and COVID-19.

[J N Winkler]

At the moment it is looking like DFW (7.5 million) and Detroit (4.3 million) are the two largest US metropolitan areas that still do not have any confirmed COVID-19 cases (2018 estimated MSA populations in parentheses).

[bing101]

Cruise ships are just all around awful for everyone and everything. It's like tolerating toxic sludge.

They pollute and don't have a real economic justification unlike planes and cargo ships; the small towns they stop at aren't benefiting much if at all; the ships are staffed with underpaid and exploited workers while skirting employment laws by using different ports of registry; they harm the marine life they pass over and often dump waste into the water without proper treatment; and finally, they are a paradise for diseases like norovirus and COVID-19.

I agree with you with Cruise ships you are there for days or weeks depending on the trip. With airplanes in contrast you are there for a few hours to 1 day depending on the Trip. I fear Cruise ships more than planes.

[US71]

Cruise ships are just all around awful for everyone and everything. It's like tolerating toxic sludge.

They pollute and don't have a real economic justification unlike planes and cargo ships; the small towns they stop at aren't benefiting much if at all; the ships are staffed with underpaid and exploited workers while skirting employment laws by using different ports of registry; they harm the marine life they pass over and often dump waste into the water without proper treatment; and finally, they are a paradise for diseases like norovirus and COVID-19.

I have a few friends who go on cruises every year, but it's not something that interests me.

[SSOWorld]

They're giant petri dishes as it is.  Not to say that nothing else is one - large businesses, planes, mega conferences (like SXSW), etc. 

[jeffandnicole]

https://www.inquirer.com/news/nation-world/italy-announces-quarantine-affecting-quarter-population-20200308.html

[kalvado]

https://www.inquirer.com/news/nation-world/italy-announces-quarantine-affecting-quarter-population-20200308.html

too little too late

[SSOWorld]

Moderator Note:

All - stop posting to just post links! Let's not make this thread a further link farm!  Please focus on discussion of the situation and if you have links that back-up said discussion, that would be appropriate to include then.

[US71]

They're giant petri dishes as it is.  Not to say that nothing else is one - large businesses, planes, mega conferences (like SXSW), etc. 

SCA /Historical Reenactor gatherings:)

[J N Winkler]

As of now (shortly after 11 PM Central time), the US has 554 cases.

[stormwatch7721]

I'm still worried about it.

LGL322DL

[Max Rockatansky]

Having the movie theater almost to myself on a Saturday night was nice.  The drink line only had four people, that's about what I see during a midday movie.  Seems the crowds are staying at home given Fresno had a confirmed virus hit the other day. 

[kalvado]

As of now (shortly after 11 PM Central time), the US has 554 cases.

expect 1500 by next week, 15k by 04/01, million by end of may. Favorable conditions overall as peak goes into summer when it may be easier to handle. 

[jeffandnicole]

This week, I ate at 2 restaurants with waiting lists, and stopped in a bowling alley that had a wait for open lanes. The gym and other stores appeared to have normal occupancies as well. Even though there was a confirmed case just a few miles away, I haven't seen any inclination that it's disrupting how my area goes about their day.

[02 Park Ave]

Since no level of government here in the US is actually trying to contain the Virus, we can only expect the worst.

[kalvado]

Since no level of government here in the US is actually trying to contain the Virus, we can only expect the worst.

What kind of containment do you want? Closed bridges to Manhattan (NYS is leading by case count in US, you know) with armed checkpoints?
Step 1 - preventing infection from entering the country - failed; but not enough cases to establish quarantine. Not that it would truly help anyway.

[J N Winkler]

Expect 1500 by next week, 15k by 04/01, million by end of May. Favorable conditions overall as peak goes into summer when it may be easier to handle.

Those are certainly testable predictions!  Italy, with about one-sixth the population, is already well past the 7,000 mark.

I am hoping conditions won't be quite that bad in the US, in part because a million confirmed cases translates to about 100,000 severe enough to require hospitalization and 30,000 deaths.  I don't think any US jurisdiction is likely to end up digging mass graves to dispose of the bodies of COVID-19 victims like Philadelphia had to do when the 1918 flu hit, but the US as a whole has only 95,000 ICU beds.  In Britain there is already talk of establishing field hospitals for COVID-19 patients.

[stormwatch7721]

Since no level of government here in the US is actually trying to contain the Virus, we can only expect the worst.

Hence why I'm worried about the coronavirus

LGL322DL