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Getting from Pennsylvania to the rest of the country

Started by Crown Victoria, April 11, 2020, 07:16:27 AM

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Crown Victoria

Let's try an Eastern state for this.  Another topic has asked whether you could reach half of America's counties from Illinois, and another from Texas.  I'm willing to bet that PA will give them a run for it...we are the Keystone State, after all!

First off, there's an Interstate or US route within 66 of PA's 67 counties (as far as I can tell, Cameron County is the only one lacking).  Also you can reach 45 states and DC (can't get to MI, ND, AZ, AK, or HI).  PA misses Michigan by less than a mile!

Now for the routes leaving PA for elsewhere:

I-70, I-76, I-78, I-79, I-80, I-81, I-83, I-84, I-86, I-90, I-95, I-99, I-295, I-676

US 1, US 6, US 11, US 13, US 15, US 19, US 20, US 22, US 30, US 40, US 62, US 202, US 206, US 209, US 119, US 219, US 220, US 222, US 322, US 422, US 522, US 224

State routes also count, so long as they remain numbered and contiguous. A route that changes numbers at the border is fine, but if that new number terminates before crossing another border, that's the end of that route. 
An example of a contiguous route being PA 29/NY 7/VT 9. 

A special case is NY 17 as it dips into PA at Waverly and interchanges with US 220 while still signed as NY 17.







Declan127

technically, ny 7, while only being 7 in ny, forms a link to vt.
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webny99

Before we get 50 of these threads, I guess we should ask the question, is it best to have many individual threads for different states, or should we just do a single "compilation" thread?

I'd be glad to start such a thread if that's everyone's preference.

sprjus4

Quote from: webny99 on April 11, 2020, 02:39:58 PM
Before we get 50 of these threads, I guess we should ask the question, is it best to have many individual threads for different states, or should we just do a single "compilation" thread?

I'd be glad to start such a thread if that's everyone's preference.
Was thinking the same thing... probably best to have a compilation.

CtrlAltDel

Quote from: sprjus4 on April 11, 2020, 02:41:02 PM
Quote from: webny99 on April 11, 2020, 02:39:58 PM
Before we get 50 of these threads, I guess we should ask the question, is it best to have many individual threads for different states, or should we just do a single "compilation" thread?

I'd be glad to start such a thread if that's everyone's preference.
Was thinking the same thing... probably best to have a compilation.

I disagree. I think that it would be too hard to keep the state combinations clear. Mixing discussion of using routes in Illinois to get to Pennsylvania and Oregon with using routes in Texas to get to Florida and Nebraska with using routes in Rhode Island to get to California and New Mexico seems too hard to keep straight. A subforum might be a good idea, though.
I-290   I-294   I-55   (I-74)   (I-72)   I-40   I-30   US-59   US-190   TX-30   TX-6

CtrlAltDel

Here's how Illinois is connected to Pennsylvania.

I-70 – (7) – Bond, Clark, Cumberland, Effingham, Fayette, Madison, Saint Clair

I-80 – (7) – Bureau, Cook, Grundy, Henry, LaSalle, Rock Island, Will

I-90 – (5) – Boone, Cook, Kane, McHenry, Winnebago


US 6 – (7) – Bureau, Cook, Grundy, Henry, LaSalle, Rock Island, Will

US 20 – (8) – Boone, Cook, DuPage, Jo Daviess, Kane, McHenry, Stephenson, Winnebago

US 30 – (7) – Cook, DeKalb, Kane, Kendall, Lee, Whiteside, Will

US 40 – (7) – Bond, Clark, Cumberland, Effingham, Fayette, Madison, Saint Clair

US 62 – (1) – Alexander

This makes for a total of 26, out of 102, exactly twice as many as Texas.
I-290   I-294   I-55   (I-74)   (I-72)   I-40   I-30   US-59   US-190   TX-30   TX-6

Crown Victoria

Quote from: Declan127 on April 11, 2020, 12:34:20 PM
technically, ny 7, while only being 7 in ny, forms a link to vt.

Indeed it does.  I modified my original post to reflect this. 

TheHighwayMan3561

Minnesota, only I-90 (9): Winona, Olmsted, Mower, Freeborn, Faribault, Martin, Jackson, Nobles, Rock

webny99

OK, now let's see. I think we're going to get pretty close to 100% here with New York, thanks in no small part to that little chunk of land known as Erie County that hosts I-90 and US 20 in PA!  :)

I-81 (5): Broome, Cortland, Onondaga, Oswego, Jefferson
I-84 (3): Orange, Dutchess, Putnam
I-86 (5): Chautauqua, Cattaraugus, Allegany, Steuben, Chemung, Tioga
I-90 (14): Erie, Genesee, Monroe, Ontario, Seneca, Cayuga, Madison, Oneida, Herkimer, Montgomery, Schenectady, Albany, Rensslaer, Columbia
I-95 (2): Manhattan, The Bronx, Westchester
US 6 (1): Rockland
US 11 (3): St. Lawrence, Franklin, Clinton
US 15 (0 new)
US 20 (3): Livingston, Otsego, Schoharie
US 62 (1): Niagara
US 202 (0 new)
US 209 (2): Sullivan, Ulster
US 219: (0 new)
NY/PA 14: Schuyler, Yates, Wayne
NY 17: Delaware (the only NY 17 county not already covered by I-86 or other routes)

So that's 45 out of 62 counties (72.5%) that can be accessed by the same route, without changing route numbers.
And now for the fun part - routes that change numbers at the state line!

PA 29/NY 7: Chenango (and it gets so close to Saratoga too...)
PA 449/NY 19: Wyoming
PA 92/NY 79: Tompkins

That gets us up to 48 of 62 (77.4%), leaving us with 14 counties with no direct connection to PA:
Upstate (9): Greene, Fulton, Saratoga, Washington, Warren, Essex, Hamilton, Lewis, and... Orleans, clearly the oddball here!
Downstate (5): Staten Island, Brooklyn, Queens, Nassau, Suffolk

Of those, at least 6 have a connection to New Jersey (via either I-278 or US 9) and several more have connections to Vermont.
I believe some of the remaining counties, such as Orleans, Hamilton, and Lewis, have zero connections to any other state... which gets me thinking...

Konza

Is there a way to do this via mob-rule.com that doesn't mess with one's personal history?
Main Line Interstates clinched:  2, 4, 5, 8, 10, 11, 12, 14, 16, 17, 19, 20, 22, 24, 25, 26, 27, 29, 30, 37, 39, 43, 44, 45, 55, 57, 59, 65, 68, 71, 72, 74 (IA-IL-IN-OH), 76 (CO-NE), 76 (OH-PA-NJ), 78, 80, 82, 86 (ID), 88 (IL), 94, 96

hobsini2

Quote from: Konza on April 11, 2020, 06:13:54 PM
Is there a way to do this via mob-rule.com that doesn't mess with one's personal history?

Yes. You do it as the guest and then screenshot it. That should do it.
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Crown Victoria

For New Jersey, 17 of 21 counties (81%) are directly accessible from PA.  The ones not are:  Monmouth, Ocean, Cumberland, and Cape May.  The NJ Turnpike/I-95 just misses Monmouth...

For Delaware, all 3 counties (thank you US 13!).


webny99

Quote from: hobsini2 on April 11, 2020, 06:41:45 PM
Quote from: Konza on April 11, 2020, 06:13:54 PM
Is there a way to do this via mob-rule.com that doesn't mess with one's personal history?

Yes. You do it as the guest and then screenshot it. That should do it.

As long as you're the only guest using the page. Otherwise everyone's changes keep piling on top of one another.

Scott5114

The other threads were not including state routes (they are not the same route, after all), so this thread would not be able to be used to compare PA to IL or TX unless that's corrected.
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hotdogPi

Quote from: Scott5114 on April 11, 2020, 09:17:26 PM
The other threads were not including state routes (they are not the same route, after all), so this thread would not be able to be used to compare PA to IL or TX unless that's corrected.

I counted IL/WI 35 and WY/NE/IA/IL 92 as single routes in my original thread.
Clinched

Traveled, plus
US 13, 50
MA 22, 35, 40, 53, 79, 107, 109, 126, 138, 141, 151, 159
NH 27, 78, 111A(E); CA 90; NY 366; GA 42, 140; FL A1A, 7; CT 32, 193, 320; VT 2A, 5A; PA 3, 51, 60, WA 202; QC 162, 165, 263; 🇬🇧A100, A3211, A3213, A3215, A4222; 🇫🇷95 D316

Lowest untraveled: 36

Ben114

One is able to reach 12 out of Massachusetts' 14 counties (85.71%).

Barnstable: US 6
Berkshire: I-90, US 20
Bristol: I-95, US 1, US 6
Dukes: no access
Essex: I-95, US 1
Franklin: US 202
Hampden: I-84, I-90, US 20, US 202
Hampshire: I-90, US 20, US 202
Middlesex: I-90, I-95, US 1, US 20
Nantucket: no access
Norfolk: I-95, US 1
Plymouth: US 6
Suffolk: I-90, US 1, US 20
Worcester: I-84, I-90, US 20, US 202

3 of Rhode Island's 5 counties (60%) can be reached.

Bristol: no access
Kent: I-95, US 1
Newport: no access
Providence: I-95, US 1, US 6
Washington: I-95, US 1

CtrlAltDel

Quote from: webny99 on April 11, 2020, 07:04:12 PM
Quote from: hobsini2 on April 11, 2020, 06:41:45 PM
Quote from: Konza on April 11, 2020, 06:13:54 PM
Is there a way to do this via mob-rule.com that doesn't mess with one's personal history?

Yes. You do it as the guest and then screenshot it. That should do it.

As long as you're the only guest using the page. Otherwise everyone's changes keep piling on top of one another.

It happened just a moment ago, when I was compiling the list of counties in Illinois with Interstate and US routes. Someone, who was clearly marking all the X0 interstates, came and overwrote my schema.
I-290   I-294   I-55   (I-74)   (I-72)   I-40   I-30   US-59   US-190   TX-30   TX-6

US 89

For Utah, we get 11/29 for current routes:

I-80: Tooele, Salt Lake, Summit
US 6: Millard, Juab, Utah, Wasatch, Carbon, Emery, Grand
US 40: Summit, Wasatch, Duchesne, Uintah

Same stipulation as the Illinois thread regarding historic routes. If we go back to pre-Interstate days, US 30 split into a 30N and 30S branch in the ID/UT/WY region. Counting old 30S would add Box Elder, Weber, Davis, and Morgan to the list, bringing us up to 15.

Verlanka

Quote from: Declan127 on April 11, 2020, 12:34:20 PM
technically, ny 7, while only being 7 in ny, forms a link to vt.
Which, as VT 9, keeps the same number to New Hampshire and Maine.

Crown Victoria

Quote from: 1 on April 11, 2020, 09:23:31 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on April 11, 2020, 09:17:26 PM
The other threads were not including state routes (they are not the same route, after all), so this thread would not be able to be used to compare PA to IL or TX unless that's corrected.

I counted IL/WI 35 and WY/NE/IA/IL 92 as single routes in my original thread.

Both the Illinois and Texas threads have had state routes listed without objection, including routes that change numbers at the border.  I am willing to use those, however I agree that the rules should be the same for all the threads of this nature.
County routes should not count as not every state signs those.

Konza

#20
Having just gone through the exercise for Indiana, I think Pennsylvania would make a good showing here.  Like Illinois and Indiana, PA has three x0 east-west Interstate routes running through it, plus I-95, quirky routes like US 6, US 11, and US 62, and long north-south routes like US 19 and 41.

Ohio might be another good candidate, as might Tennessee or North Carolina.
Main Line Interstates clinched:  2, 4, 5, 8, 10, 11, 12, 14, 16, 17, 19, 20, 22, 24, 25, 26, 27, 29, 30, 37, 39, 43, 44, 45, 55, 57, 59, 65, 68, 71, 72, 74 (IA-IL-IN-OH), 76 (CO-NE), 76 (OH-PA-NJ), 78, 80, 82, 86 (ID), 88 (IL), 94, 96

epzik8

In Maryland:

I-70: Washington, Frederick, Carroll, Howard, Baltimore (5)
I-81: Washington (1)
I-83: Baltimore, Balt. City (2)
I-95: Cecil, Harford, Baltimore, Balt. City, Howard, Prince George's (6)

US 1: Cecil, Harford, Baltimore, Balt. City, Howard, Prince George's (6)
US 11: Washington (1)
US 13: Wicomico, Somerset, Worcester (3)
US 15: Frederick (1)
US 40: Garrett, Allegany, Washington, Frederick, Carroll, Howard, Baltimore, Balt. City, Harford, Cecil (10)
US 219: Garrett (1)
US 220: Allegany (1)
US 222: Cecil (1)
US 522: Washington (1)

That's 14 of 24 jurisdictions: The 10 with no direct connections are Anne Arundel, Calvert, Caroline, Charles, Dorchester, Kent, Montgomery, Queen Anne's, St. Mary's and Talbot.
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Louisiana only snags two from US 11 - St Tammany and Orleans parishes.


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Crown Victoria

#23
Quote from: epzik8 on April 17, 2020, 08:11:11 PM
In Maryland:

I-70: Washington, Frederick, Carroll, Howard, Baltimore (5)
I-81: Washington (1)
I-83: Baltimore, Balt. City (2)
I-95: Cecil, Harford, Baltimore, Balt. City, Howard, Prince George's (6)

US 1: Cecil, Harford, Baltimore, Balt. City, Howard, Prince George's (6)
US 11: Washington (1)
US 13: Wicomico, Somerset, Worcester (3)
US 15: Frederick (1)
US 40: Garrett, Allegany, Washington, Frederick, Carroll, Howard, Baltimore, Balt. City, Harford, Cecil (10)
US 219: Garrett (1)
US 220: Allegany (1)
US 222: Cecil (1)
US 522: Washington (1)

That's 14 of 24 jurisdictions: The 10 with no direct connections are Anne Arundel, Calvert, Caroline, Charles, Dorchester, Kent, Montgomery, Queen Anne's, St. Mary's and Talbot.

Counting state routes, Montgomery County connects with PA via MD/PA 97, which brings the total to 15 of 24.

webny99

Quote from: Crown Victoria on April 17, 2020, 09:08:27 PM
Quote from: epzik8 on April 17, 2020, 08:11:11 PM
In Maryland:
...
That's 14 of 24 jurisdictions: The 10 with no direct connections are Anne Arundel, Calvert, Caroline, Charles, Dorchester, Kent, Montgomery, Queen Anne's, St. Mary's and Talbot.
Counting state routes, Montgomery County connects with PA via MD/PA 97, which brings the total to 15 of 24.

Wait, what? I did Maryland for Illinois, and came up with connections to 17 of 24. That is totally wild that Illinois, halfway across the country, hits more Maryland counties with just 3 routes than PA, right next door, hits with 12 routes!

Thanks to US 50! Wow, that's crazy.



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