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Places where state routes intersect US routes with the same number

Started by hbelkins, July 06, 2020, 04:23:38 PM

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1995hoo

The US- and VA-360 example mentioned in the OP uses white-on-black signs saying "US" and "STATE" to distinguish, though I suspect people who are confused by this sort of thing would not be likely to appreciate that distinction.

(Screenshot from the Google Maps app–I didn't want to use a link because sometimes links from the app result in the camera pointing up at the sky or something random.)

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kphoger

Quote from: 1995hoo on July 08, 2020, 07:50:17 AM
The US- and VA-360 example mentioned in the OP uses white-on-black signs saying "US" and "STATE" to distinguish, though I suspect people who are confused by this sort of thing would not be likely to appreciate that distinction.

(Screenshot from the Google Maps app–I didn't want to use a link because sometimes links from the app result in the camera pointing up at the sky or something random.)




IMO, it would be less confusing if both shields didn't use the same color scheme with vaguely similar shapes.

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US71

Quote from: US 89 on July 08, 2020, 01:54:14 AM
SH 40 in Colorado is an umbrella designation for a bunch of old US 40 alignments between Byers and Limon, and it may intersect US 40 a couple times. As far as I know, none of those junctions are fully signed: the majority of possible junction points would be on US 40's hidden concurrency with I-70, and signage for SH 40 is spotty at best.

There's a CO 36 that meets US 36. CO 36 being pre-interstate US 36
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Mapmikey

Quote from: kphoger on July 08, 2020, 11:15:56 AM
Quote from: 1995hoo on July 08, 2020, 07:50:17 AM
The US- and VA-360 example mentioned in the OP uses white-on-black signs saying "US" and "STATE" to distinguish, though I suspect people who are confused by this sort of thing would not be likely to appreciate that distinction.

(Screenshot from the Google Maps app–I didn't want to use a link because sometimes links from the app result in the camera pointing up at the sky or something random.)




IMO, it would be less confusing if both shields didn't use the same color scheme with vaguely similar shapes.

This is AASHTO's fault...Virginia wanted VA 360 to be US 360 ALT and AASHTO rejected it.  Yet Virginia could have called it VA 360 ALT and in practical terms would've gotten the same result.  Once they decided not to do that they should've just renumbered it as something else entirely.

kphoger

Quote from: US71 on July 08, 2020, 11:43:35 AM

Quote from: US 89 on July 08, 2020, 01:54:14 AM
SH 40 in Colorado is an umbrella designation for a bunch of old US 40 alignments between Byers and Limon, and it may intersect US 40 a couple times. As far as I know, none of those junctions are fully signed: the majority of possible junction points would be on US 40's hidden concurrency with I-70, and signage for SH 40 is spotty at best.

There's a CO 36 that meets US 36. CO 36 being pre-interstate US 36

Yep.  The OP.

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csw

Quote from: kphoger on July 08, 2020, 11:15:56 AM
Quote from: 1995hoo on July 08, 2020, 07:50:17 AM
The US- and VA-360 example mentioned in the OP uses white-on-black signs saying "US" and "STATE" to distinguish, though I suspect people who are confused by this sort of thing would not be likely to appreciate that distinction.

(Screenshot from the Google Maps app–I didn't want to use a link because sometimes links from the app result in the camera pointing up at the sky or something random.)


IMO, it would be less confusing if both shields didn't use the same color scheme with vaguely similar shapes.
I think this is the main reason why you see so many US/state shield mix ups in Virginia. Somewhere like Colorado, the shields are so different-looking that it's harder for a contractor to mix them up.

hbelkins

Quote from: Mapmikey on July 08, 2020, 11:51:32 AM
Quote from: kphoger on July 08, 2020, 11:15:56 AM
Quote from: 1995hoo on July 08, 2020, 07:50:17 AM
The US- and VA-360 example mentioned in the OP uses white-on-black signs saying "US" and "STATE" to distinguish, though I suspect people who are confused by this sort of thing would not be likely to appreciate that distinction.

(Screenshot from the Google Maps app–I didn't want to use a link because sometimes links from the app result in the camera pointing up at the sky or something random.)




IMO, it would be less confusing if both shields didn't use the same color scheme with vaguely similar shapes.

This is AASHTO's fault...Virginia wanted VA 360 to be US 360 ALT and AASHTO rejected it.  Yet Virginia could have called it VA 360 ALT and in practical terms would've gotten the same result.  Once they decided not to do that they should've just renumbered it as something else entirely.

"US 220A" near Roanoke -- isn't it technically VA 220A but is just signed as a US route? And it's unusual in that it's signed with an "A" instead of an "Alternate" banner.
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zzcarp

Quote from: US 89 on July 08, 2020, 01:54:14 AM
SH 40 in Colorado is an umbrella designation for a bunch of old US 40 alignments between Byers and Limon, and it may intersect US 40 a couple times. As far as I know, none of those junctions are fully signed: the majority of possible junction points would be on US 40’s hidden concurrency with I-70, and signage for SH 40 is spotty at best.
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There's a CO 36 that meets US 36. CO 36 being pre-interstate US 36

Yep.  The OP.

CO 36 is actually an old alignment of US 36 just as CO 40 is old US 40. US 36 from Strasburg to Byers was CO 102 prior to US 36 being extended into Colorado.
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US 89

Quote from: zzcarp on July 08, 2020, 11:59:55 PM
Quote from: US 89 on July 08, 2020, 01:54:14 AM
SH 40 in Colorado is an umbrella designation for a bunch of old US 40 alignments between Byers and Limon, and it may intersect US 40 a couple times. As far as I know, none of those junctions are fully signed: the majority of possible junction points would be on US 40’s hidden concurrency with I-70, and signage for SH 40 is spotty at best.
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There's a CO 36 that meets US 36. CO 36 being pre-interstate US 36

Yep.  The OP.

CO 36 is actually an old alignment of US 36 just as CO 40 is old US 40. US 36 from Strasburg to Byers was CO 102 prior to US 36 being extended into Colorado.

And CO 36 is also old US 40, but CO 40 is not old US 36.

Confusing much?

amroad17

Quote from: Mapmikey on July 08, 2020, 11:51:32 AM
Quote from: kphoger on July 08, 2020, 11:15:56 AM
Quote from: 1995hoo on July 08, 2020, 07:50:17 AM
The US- and VA-360 example mentioned in the OP uses white-on-black signs saying "US" and "STATE" to distinguish, though I suspect people who are confused by this sort of thing would not be likely to appreciate that distinction.

(Screenshot from the Google Maps app–I didn't want to use a link because sometimes links from the app result in the camera pointing up at the sky or something random.)




IMO, it would be less confusing if both shields didn't use the same color scheme with vaguely similar shapes.

This is AASHTO's fault...Virginia wanted VA 360 to be US 360 ALT and AASHTO rejected it.  Yet Virginia could have called it VA 360 ALT and in practical terms would've gotten the same result.  Once they decided not to do that they should've just renumbered it as something else entirely.
Like an extension of VA 344?
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US71

In the near future, US 271 will intersect AR 271 (probably within the next 2 years)
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Takumi

Quote from: csw on July 08, 2020, 02:38:30 PM
Quote from: kphoger on July 08, 2020, 11:15:56 AM
Quote from: 1995hoo on July 08, 2020, 07:50:17 AM
The US- and VA-360 example mentioned in the OP uses white-on-black signs saying "US" and "STATE" to distinguish, though I suspect people who are confused by this sort of thing would not be likely to appreciate that distinction.

(Screenshot from the Google Maps app–I didn't want to use a link because sometimes links from the app result in the camera pointing up at the sky or something random.)


IMO, it would be less confusing if both shields didn't use the same color scheme with vaguely similar shapes.
I think this is the main reason why you see so many US/state shield mix ups in Virginia. Somewhere like Colorado, the shields are so different-looking that it's harder for a contractor to mix them up.
Indeed. The Virginia state primary shield looks like the middle phase between the US route shield and the circle used for secondaries, which also get mixed up a lot. (Or if you're Petersburg, you just decide to only order US shields at some point. Seriously, almost every VA 36 shield in the city was replaced with a US shield, most of them 3-digit, within the past few years. It legitimately looks like US 36 runs through the town.)
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1995hoo

The Virginia primary shield used to have a more distinct appearance, but over the years it's turned into more and more of a blob.
"You know, you never have a guaranteed spot until you have a spot guaranteed."
—Olaf Kolzig, as quoted in the Washington Times on March 28, 2003,
commenting on the Capitals clinching a playoff spot.

"That sounded stupid, didn't it?"
—Kolzig, to the same reporter a few seconds later.

Mapmikey

Quote from: amroad17 on July 09, 2020, 07:11:12 AM
Quote from: Mapmikey on July 08, 2020, 11:51:32 AM
Quote from: kphoger on July 08, 2020, 11:15:56 AM
Quote from: 1995hoo on July 08, 2020, 07:50:17 AM
The US- and VA-360 example mentioned in the OP uses white-on-black signs saying "US" and "STATE" to distinguish, though I suspect people who are confused by this sort of thing would not be likely to appreciate that distinction.

(Screenshot from the Google Maps app–I didn't want to use a link because sometimes links from the app result in the camera pointing up at the sky or something random.)




IMO, it would be less confusing if both shields didn't use the same color scheme with vaguely similar shapes.

This is AASHTO's fault...Virginia wanted VA 360 to be US 360 ALT and AASHTO rejected it.  Yet Virginia could have called it VA 360 ALT and in practical terms would've gotten the same result.  Once they decided not to do that they should've just renumbered it as something else entirely.
Like an extension of VA 344?

Any of these would be better than VA 360:

VA 344
VA 92
VA 413
VA 86
VA 51
VA 12 (which it once was)

US71

Quote from: US 89 on July 09, 2020, 12:58:57 AM
Quote from: zzcarp on July 08, 2020, 11:59:55 PM
Quote from: US 89 on July 08, 2020, 01:54:14 AM
SH 40 in Colorado is an umbrella designation for a bunch of old US 40 alignments between Byers and Limon, and it may intersect US 40 a couple times. As far as I know, none of those junctions are fully signed: the majority of possible junction points would be on US 40's hidden concurrency with I-70, and signage for SH 40 is spotty at best.
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There's a CO 36 that meets US 36. CO 36 being pre-interstate US 36

Yep.  The OP.

CO 36 is actually an old alignment of US 36 just as CO 40 is old US 40. US 36 from Strasburg to Byers was CO 102 prior to US 36 being extended into Colorado.

And CO 36 is also old US 40, but CO 40 is not old US 36.

Confusing much?

CO 40 is old US 40 east of Byers, CO
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