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1935 Texaco map of the US with weird US highway routings

Started by bugo, August 24, 2020, 06:24:09 AM

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bugo

I found this map online but I can't recall where. There are many strange US highway routings, including US 37, 43, 59, 73, and 143. This block of text appears at the bottom right hand corner of the map:

QuoteON THIS MAP IS SHOWN THE NEW FEDERAL HIGHWAY NUMBERING AUTHORIZED BY THE AMERICAN ASSOCIATION OF STATE HIGHWAY OFFICIALS, NOVEMBER, 1934.

Were these actual proposals or did somebody drink too much Bevo and screwed the map up really badly? This map is fascinating and has many surprises. There is a link to a larger version below the map.


Here's a link to a 6144×4215 version.


NWI_Irish96

Two things for Indiana that I noticed:

I never knew that between Logansport and Kokomo, US 35 used to run along what is now IN 29 and IN 22.

I can't for the life of me figure out how US 150 went from Shoals to Terre Haute.
Indiana: counties 100%, highways 100%
Illinois: counties 100%, highways 61%
Michigan: counties 100%, highways 56%
Wisconsin: counties 86%, highways 23%

Max Rockatansky

US 395 is shown following CA 138 from Lancaster East to Cajon Pass.

zzcarp

One oddity at the Colorado Utah border. US 160 is shown appropriately as having replaced US 450 west of I-25 in Colorado, and is still shown as US 450 in Utah up to Crescent, Utah. But I looked at USEnds website, and there was a period between 1934 and 1939 where they ended at each other at the state line. Strange!
So many miles and so many roads

GaryV

Michigan appears to be accurate.  Although it seems like maybe there is some curvature put in where the routes really have more corners.  For example, US-10 from Saginaw to Clare is not just a gentle arc.
-- US-23 follows some of the inland routings; now it is closer to the Lake Huron shore
-- US-27 seems to have a bend around the east side of Houghton Lake; it was later routed to the west side
-- US-131 has since been extended to the north to end in Petosky, rather than south of Traverse City

usends

Very interesting map.  I suspect the oddities shown here were US route system changes that were actually authorized by AASHO in 1934, but not all of them were adopted by the states.  In other words, the mapmaker jumped the gun by showing anticipated changes before they were implemented (and some of them never were).  A couple reasons why I think this:

*We know that US 43 and 143 north of Nashville were part of AASHO's attempt to get rid of the split routes in US 31 and US 41.  But we also know that neither KY nor TN ever implemented those designations.  Same with the US 37 north of Chattanooga: it was never adopted by KY or TN (although much of that route eventually became US 127).

*US 285 is shown on its current corridor, south from Denver.  But that wasn't actually implemented until 1936.

There are probably additional examples on this map.  But I think this is a case similar to the late 1920s maps that published the 1925 proposed US route system, rather than waiting for the final system that was approved in 1926.  But it's still interesting to see AASHO's attempted changes.
usends.com - US highway endpoints, photos, maps, and history

Max Rockatansky

Quote from: usends on August 24, 2020, 11:12:21 AM
Very interesting map.  I suspect the oddities shown here were US route system changes that were actually authorized by AASHO in 1934, but not all of them were adopted by the states.  In other words, the mapmaker jumped the gun by showing anticipated changes before they were implemented (and some of them never were).  A couple reasons why I think this:

*We know that US 43 and 143 north of Nashville were part of AASHO's attempt to get rid of the split routes in US 31 and US 41.  But we also know that neither KY nor TN ever implemented those designations.  Same with the US 37 north of Chattanooga: it was never adopted by KY or TN (although much of that route eventually became US 127).

*US 285 is shown on its current corridor, south from Denver.  But that wasn't actually implemented until 1936.

There are probably additional examples on this map.  But I think this is a case similar to the late 1920s maps that published the 1925 proposed US route system, rather than waiting for the final system that was approved in 1926.  But it's still interesting to see AASHO's attempted changes.

That's certainly what happened when Rand McNally put our Junior Maps in 1925 which often show different numbers and highway alignments than what was approved in late 1926. 

Mapmikey

Quote from: usends on August 24, 2020, 11:12:21 AM
Very interesting map.  I suspect the oddities shown here were US route system changes that were actually authorized by AASHO in 1934, but not all of them were adopted by the states.  In other words, the mapmaker jumped the gun by showing anticipated changes before they were implemented (and some of them never were).  A couple reasons why I think this:

*We know that US 43 and 143 north of Nashville were part of AASHO's attempt to get rid of the split routes in US 31 and US 41.  But we also know that neither KY nor TN ever implemented those designations.  Same with the US 37 north of Chattanooga: it was never adopted by KY or TN (although much of that route eventually became US 127).

*US 285 is shown on its current corridor, south from Denver.  But that wasn't actually implemented until 1936.

There are probably additional examples on this map.  But I think this is a case similar to the late 1920s maps that published the 1925 proposed US route system, rather than waiting for the final system that was approved in 1926.  But it's still interesting to see AASHO's attempted changes.

Tennessee's official route log had the US 43 extension from the 1940s through 1962 when they stopped putting them out in annual reports.

I only have seen the 1951 Official TN map from this time period and US 41 ALT is what is shown. 

Here are a couple scans of a different map (Jan 1939 Texaco) that shows more detail (including how US 150 was routed in indiana)




Life in Paradise

Interesting to look at the additional maps.  That one map from 1935 for Indiana I can't translate it to exact state/federal highways today for US 150.  I always thought it was strange that they took 150 directly south for 60 miles from Terre Haute to Vincennes to then twin again for another 50 miles east.  I also thought it might have been an initial route that quickly went out of favor since the Crane installation went in.  I looked that up, and Crane wasn't authorized until 1941, and that map is from 1939.  Who knows? 

I do find it interesting how we are wrapped up in interstates these days, even to needing to add lanes to make it a 6 or 8 lane highway in some rural areas, when much less than 100 years ago, we didn't have those options even in many large cities outside of boulevards.

CNGL-Leudimin

LOL at...
- US 73 routed down what is now US 69 to Lufkin and US 59 to Livingston, without reaching Houston. In reality, US 73 was greatly reduced in length.
- US 271 routed down what is now US 69 to Beaumont.
- US 83 and US 281 swapped between Pharr and Brownsville.
- US 70 replacing US 566 and all of the original US 180, including the Caballo-Lordsburg section that was downgraded to state route, instead of going through Las Cruces.
- US 87E West of US 87, and retaining US Route status instead of downgraded to state route. Also US 87E, US 87W and US 287 all on the same map (US 287 developed from the Southern part of US 87W as correctly depicted by the map, but it wasn't contemporaneous with both US 87E and US 87W).
Supporter of the construction of several running gags, including I-366 with a speed limit of 85 mph (137 km/h) and the Hypotenuse.

Please note that I may mention "invalid" FM channels, i.e. ending in an even number or down to 87.5. These are valid in Europe.

Eth

Something interesting I noticed on this map: British Columbia's highways denoted with letters instead of numbers, unlike the rest of Canada.

Bickendan

Imagine that daily ferry between Key West and Habana still in operation...

Max Rockatansky

Quote from: Bickendan on August 24, 2020, 08:04:50 PM
Imagine that daily ferry between Key West and Habana still in operation...

Where did they even depart from Key West at?  I've never been able to track down where the ferry to Cuba was despite working in that City for three years. 

Mapmikey

Quote from: Max Rockatansky on August 24, 2020, 09:06:45 PM
Quote from: Bickendan on August 24, 2020, 08:04:50 PM
Imagine that daily ferry between Key West and Habana still in operation...

Where did they even depart from Key West at?  I've never been able to track down where the ferry to Cuba was despite working in that City for three years. 

Stock Island - http://www.palmbeachpast.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/map_ferry.jpg

This picture suggests it was at the south end of Front St - https://www.newspapers.com/clip/50492178/the-miami-herald/ - that building is apparently still there.

Max Rockatansky

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Quote from: Mapmikey on August 25, 2020, 07:28:17 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on August 24, 2020, 09:06:45 PM
Quote from: Bickendan on August 24, 2020, 08:04:50 PM
Imagine that daily ferry between Key West and Habana still in operation...

Where did they even depart from Key West at?  I've never been able to track down where the ferry to Cuba was despite working in that City for three years. 

Stock Island - http://www.palmbeachpast.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/map_ferry.jpg

This picture suggests it was at the south end of Front St - https://www.newspapers.com/clip/50492178/the-miami-herald/ - that building is apparently still there.

That would make sense actually since there is a significant dredge in Safe Harbor.  That whole facility is a water treatment plant of some kind now.

usends

Interesting timing: today someone contacted me because he has a 1939 Texaco map that shows an extended US 187: twinned with US 30 between Rock Springs and Creston WY, then down into Colorado, terminating in Rifle.  But that was never shown on any CDoT official maps.  So to me this further suggests that during the 1930s AASHO may have been trying to make some refinements to the US route system on its own, but without buy-in from some of the state DOTs.
usends.com - US highway endpoints, photos, maps, and history

mrcmc888

Interesting to see US 129 designated over the route of US 25W.  I'm not exactly sure if a northern extension of the highway from Knoxville was ever entertained seriously.

Mapmikey

Quote from: usends on August 25, 2020, 09:10:24 PM
Interesting timing: today someone contacted me because he has a 1939 Texaco map that shows an extended US 187: twinned with US 30 between Rock Springs and Creston WY, then down into Colorado, terminating in Rifle.  But that was never shown on any CDoT official maps.  So to me this further suggests that during the 1930s AASHO may have been trying to make some refinements to the US route system on its own, but without buy-in from some of the state DOTs.

Wyoming approved this 11/9/38 and suggested Colorado do the same.

See pdf pg. 28 at the 6th (last) pdf here - https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1kmrrq5P2bx3RQgkhu-JXDBWABUV85b_X

usends

Quote from: Mapmikey on August 26, 2020, 08:41:02 AM
Quote from: usends on August 25, 2020, 09:10:24 PM
Interesting timing: today someone contacted me because he has a 1939 Texaco map that shows an extended US 187: twinned with US 30 between Rock Springs and Creston WY, then down into Colorado, terminating in Rifle.  But that was never shown on any CDoT official maps.  So to me this further suggests that during the 1930s AASHO may have been trying to make some refinements to the US route system on its own, but without buy-in from some of the state DOTs.

Wyoming approved this 11/9/38 and suggested Colorado do the same.
See pdf pg. 28 at the 6th (last) pdf here - https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1kmrrq5P2bx3RQgkhu-JXDBWABUV85b_X

Good resource, thanks.  And interestingly I do see that the 1939 Wyoming official map showed 187 down to the Colorado line.  But it wasn't on 1940 or any year after that.  Maybe CDoT refused, so WYDoT gave up on the idea.
usends.com - US highway endpoints, photos, maps, and history

hbelkins

Somewhere -- who knows where, it's been misplaced in three moves over the years -- I have a Kentucky-Tennessee map that shows all those numbers (37, 129, etc.).


Government would be tolerable if not for politicians and bureaucrats.

Avalanchez71

Quote from: hbelkins on August 26, 2020, 02:40:57 PM
Somewhere -- who knows where, it's been misplaced in three moves over the years -- I have a Kentucky-Tennessee map that shows all those numbers (37, 129, etc.).

Are you convinced that the US 241 sign was posted in Kentucky?  What would the KY version of the sign look like?

Mapmikey

Quote from: Avalanchez71 on November 24, 2020, 07:54:11 AM
Quote from: hbelkins on August 26, 2020, 02:40:57 PM
Somewhere -- who knows where, it's been misplaced in three moves over the years -- I have a Kentucky-Tennessee map that shows all those numbers (37, 129, etc.).

Are you convinced that the US 241 sign was posted in Kentucky?  What would the KY version of the sign look like?

1929 Kentucky Biennual report suggests if US 241 was finished then it was posted.  See report page 124 at https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=mdp.39015021032266&view=1up&seq=138

Pg. 61 of the same report has a picture of a US 60 shield to give an idea how it would've been posted.  I have not run across a picture of a US 241 shield in Kentucky.

The Jan 1928 map (no idea why KYTC calls this the 1929 map on their website) shows US 241 fully paved on a portion so it may have been posted
https://transportation.ky.gov/Planning/Maps/1929KYF.pdf

3467

Looks right for Illinois 30 did follow what is now the 88 corridor. Also what looks like an extension to Carbondale would be 67 using the old state bond issue 3 corridor.
I can't tell if it's 32 or 34 north of 6 the 80 corridor.

There is one anomaly of a road that looks like now Illinois 40 or 26 on it.

CNGL-Leudimin

We already knew Tennessee refused to sign US 270 because they wanted US 70S badly, and therefore no US 270 existed until the current route was designated in 1930. However judging by the map on the OP it appears by the mid-30s TN 26 was designated as the third US 70 route between Nashville and Crossville (strangely they didn't go with US 70C). And the map shows all three routes as US 70! However the 1939 map shows that TN 26 wasn't yet signed as US 70.

Also, per what it has been said it appears (contrary to popular belief) Tennessee accepted the changes proposed by AASHO but Kentucky rejected them, hence why several split routes still exist to this day. US 45E/45W may have barely entered Kentucky, but it's now entirely in Tennessee, so they could change that to US 45 and Alt US 45 as proposed back then without waiting for their neighbors to go along.
Supporter of the construction of several running gags, including I-366 with a speed limit of 85 mph (137 km/h) and the Hypotenuse.

Please note that I may mention "invalid" FM channels, i.e. ending in an even number or down to 87.5. These are valid in Europe.

bing101

On US-50 stopped in eastern Nevada according to the map.



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