Iowa says US-20 is too dangerous in Illinois

[Crash_It]

I'm more amused at the "no one outside Illinois is allowed to criticize IDOT"  implication.

How could you even want to when your DOT had a whole bridge collapse? Never happened here.

Cause IDOT sucks? It's not like I've never been to Illinois.

Least we've never had a bridge collapse like MN did. And have miles of better pavement than WI which has 81% of it's pavement in poor condition vs just 16 for IL.

Umm, Crash. You may want to do some research on bridges in Illinois before claiming that it "never" happens here.
Dixon, IL - May 4, 1873 - Trusedale Bridge - 46 killed, 56 injured because of a design flaw.

That was more than a whole century ago. The I-35 incident happened in this Century.

[Crash_It]

I-39 is a washboard from 90 to 55.

That's going to be resurfaced in the coming construction season or at least patched, more than what WISDot is doing.

I-80 across Illinois is the most bitched about interstate in the Midwest. I-55 sucks in Springfield. IDOT still has a lot of work to do so I wouldn't be overreacting to a little shade.

I55 has just been resurfaced and 80 will be as well.

Yep, I-55 has been resurfaced, just a patch at a time.  A patch here, a patch there, pretty soon, IDOT will have replaced all the old pavement piecemeal.

You obviously haven't driven it south of that area. Reconstructed in two sections and resurfaced in others. Smooth ride all the way to the state line now.

[kphoger]

I'm more amused at the "no one outside Illinois is allowed to criticize IDOT"  implication.

How could you even want to when your DOT had a whole bridge collapse? Never happened here.

Cause IDOT sucks? It's not like I've never been to Illinois.

Least we've never had a bridge collapse like MN did. And have miles of better pavement than WI which has 81% of it's pavement in poor condition vs just 16 for IL.

Umm, Crash. You may want to do some research on bridges in Illinois before claiming that it "never" happens here.
Dixon, IL - May 4, 1873 - Trusedale Bridge - 46 killed, 56 injured because of a design flaw.

No need to go back that far in history.  The Panzier Road bridge over Rayse Creek in Jefferson County collapsed in 2015 due to failed substructure just after a gravel truck crossed it.  IDOT replaced it as project #9-10498-0000, listed with the 2015 fiscal year projects.  I haven't been able to locate the results of the investigation, but news outlets reported at the time that "The bridge had a satisfactory rating on a national evaluation [in 2014]."

[Brandon]

I-39 is a washboard from 90 to 55.

That's going to be resurfaced in the coming construction season or at least patched, more than what WISDot is doing.

I-80 across Illinois is the most bitched about interstate in the Midwest. I-55 sucks in Springfield. IDOT still has a lot of work to do so I wouldn't be overreacting to a little shade.

I55 has just been resurfaced and 80 will be as well.

Yep, I-55 has been resurfaced, just a patch at a time.  A patch here, a patch there, pretty soon, IDOT will have replaced all the old pavement piecemeal.

You obviously haven't driven it south of that area. Reconstructed in two sections and resurfaced in others. Smooth ride all the way to the state line now.

I've driven much of I-55 just this year.  Sure, there are nice sections, after having been left to go to shit first and repaved well after the expiry date.  However, the worst section is being repaved piecemeal.

[Crash_It]

I'm more amused at the "no one outside Illinois is allowed to criticize IDOT"  implication.

How could you even want to when your DOT had a whole bridge collapse? Never happened here.

Cause IDOT sucks? It's not like I've never been to Illinois.

Least we've never had a bridge collapse like MN did. And have miles of better pavement than WI which has 81% of it's pavement in poor condition vs just 16 for IL.

Umm, Crash. You may want to do some research on bridges in Illinois before claiming that it "never" happens here.
Dixon, IL - May 4, 1873 - Trusedale Bridge - 46 killed, 56 injured because of a design flaw.

No need to go back that far in history.  The Panzier Road bridge over Rayse Creek in Jefferson County collapsed in 2015 due to failed substructure just after a gravel truck crossed it.  IDOT replaced it as project #9-10498-0000, listed with the 2015 fiscal year projects.  I haven't been able to locate the results of the investigation, but news outlets reported at the time that "The bridge had a satisfactory rating on a national evaluation [in 2014]."

Not in IDOT's jurisdiction, that is a county highway.

[TheHighwayMan3561]

Why are you so aggressively defending IDOT anyway? 47-48 DOTs out of 50 are trash. They're not unique in that regard.

[Rothman]

I'm more amused at the "no one outside Illinois is allowed to criticize IDOT"  implication.

How could you even want to when your DOT had a whole bridge collapse? Never happened here.

Cause IDOT sucks? It's not like I've never been to Illinois.

Least we've never had a bridge collapse like MN did. And have miles of better pavement than WI which has 81% of it's pavement in poor condition vs just 16 for IL.

*citation needed*

[GaryV]

I'm more amused at the "no one outside Illinois is allowed to criticize IDOT"  implication.

How could you even want to when your DOT had a whole bridge collapse? Never happened here.

Cause IDOT sucks? It's not like I've never been to Illinois.

Least we've never had a bridge collapse like MN did. And have miles of better pavement than WI which has 81% of it's pavement in poor condition vs just 16 for IL.

*citation needed*

If he sounds his horn for 6 seconds while making the claim ...   

[kphoger]

I'm more amused at the "no one outside Illinois is allowed to criticize IDOT"  implication.

How could you even want to when your DOT had a whole bridge collapse? Never happened here.

Cause IDOT sucks? It's not like I've never been to Illinois.

Least we've never had a bridge collapse like MN did. And have miles of better pavement than WI which has 81% of it's pavement in poor condition vs just 16 for IL.

Umm, Crash. You may want to do some research on bridges in Illinois before claiming that it "never" happens here.
Dixon, IL - May 4, 1873 - Trusedale Bridge - 46 killed, 56 injured because of a design flaw.

No need to go back that far in history.  The Panzier Road bridge over Rayse Creek in Jefferson County collapsed in 2015 due to failed substructure just after a gravel truck crossed it.  IDOT replaced it as project #9-10498-0000, listed with the 2015 fiscal year projects.  I haven't been able to locate the results of the investigation, but news outlets reported at the time that "The bridge had a satisfactory rating on a national evaluation [in 2014]."

Not in IDOT's jurisdiction, that is a county highway.

That's what I was thinking, but why did IDOT replace it?

[edwaleni]

I'm more amused at the "no one outside Illinois is allowed to criticize IDOT"  implication.

How could you even want to when your DOT had a whole bridge collapse? Never happened here.

Cause IDOT sucks? It's not like I've never been to Illinois.

Least we've never had a bridge collapse like MN did. And have miles of better pavement than WI which has 81% of it's pavement in poor condition vs just 16 for IL.

Umm, Crash. You may want to do some research on bridges in Illinois before claiming that it "never" happens here.
Dixon, IL - May 4, 1873 - Trusedale Bridge - 46 killed, 56 injured because of a design flaw.

No need to go back that far in history.  The Panzier Road bridge over Rayse Creek in Jefferson County collapsed in 2015 due to failed substructure just after a gravel truck crossed it.  IDOT replaced it as project #9-10498-0000, listed with the 2015 fiscal year projects.  I haven't been able to locate the results of the investigation, but news outlets reported at the time that "The bridge had a satisfactory rating on a national evaluation [in 2014]."

This bridge collapsed in 2013. Civil Engineer Scott Graham from WJE Associates was hired to investigate and found that the pilings were faulty when driven in 1977. Seems the bridge collapsed after a gravel truck had just passed over, he saw the bridge fall in his mirror. Recent movement of heavy trucks on the bridge was causing the pilings to flex in the bed of Rayse Creek.

[Crash_It]

I'm more amused at the "no one outside Illinois is allowed to criticize IDOT"  implication.

How could you even want to when your DOT had a whole bridge collapse? Never happened here.

Cause IDOT sucks? It's not like I've never been to Illinois.

Least we've never had a bridge collapse like MN did. And have miles of better pavement than WI which has 81% of it's pavement in poor condition vs just 16 for IL.

*citation needed*

https://247wallst.com/special-report/2020/11/05/states-that-are-falling-apart-6/3/

[Rothman]

I'm more amused at the "no one outside Illinois is allowed to criticize IDOT"  implication.

How could you even want to when your DOT had a whole bridge collapse? Never happened here.

Cause IDOT sucks? It's not like I've never been to Illinois.

Least we've never had a bridge collapse like MN did. And have miles of better pavement than WI which has 81% of it's pavement in poor condition vs just 16 for IL.

*citation needed*

https://247wallst.com/special-report/2020/11/05/states-that-are-falling-apart-6/3/

Doesn't pass the smell test, when WI is 33% higher than the state below it.  Reeks of data corruption.  Their link takes you to USDOT's website and not the data they actually used.

But, if you want to stick with these numbers, IDOT still doesn't come across as great, given IL's ranking.  IDOT still sucks.

[TheHighwayMan3561]

I'm more amused at the "no one outside Illinois is allowed to criticize IDOT"  implication.

How could you even want to when your DOT had a whole bridge collapse? Never happened here.

Cause IDOT sucks? It's not like I've never been to Illinois.

Least we've never had a bridge collapse like MN did. And have miles of better pavement than WI which has 81% of it's pavement in poor condition vs just 16 for IL.

*citation needed*

https://247wallst.com/special-report/2020/11/05/states-that-are-falling-apart-6/3/

...you did realize this same article you cited to diss Wisconsin puts Illinois in the bottom 10 with it, right?

[Crash_It]

I'm more amused at the "no one outside Illinois is allowed to criticize IDOT"  implication.

How could you even want to when your DOT had a whole bridge collapse? Never happened here.

Cause IDOT sucks? It's not like I've never been to Illinois.

Least we've never had a bridge collapse like MN did. And have miles of better pavement than WI which has 81% of it's pavement in poor condition vs just 16 for IL.

*citation needed*

https://247wallst.com/special-report/2020/11/05/states-that-are-falling-apart-6/3/

...you did realize this same article you cited to diss Wisconsin puts Illinois in the bottom 10 with it, right?

IL is far from being the leader with the worst pavement quality (unlike WI)

[hotdogPi]

The three states with the worst pavement quality are NM, OK, and PA.

[Crash_It]

The three states with the worst pavement quality are NM, OK, and PA.

Not according to the article I posted, #1 is WI with 81% in poor condition

[Rothman]

The three states with the worst pavement quality are NM, OK, and PA.

Not according to the article I posted, #1 is WI with 81% in poor condition

*sigh*

This is playing out stupidly and predictably.

[Crash_It]

The three states with the worst pavement quality are NM, OK, and PA.

Not according to the article I posted, #1 is WI with 81% in poor condition

*sigh*

This is playing out stupidly and predictably.

The Sconnie on P2 started it, I'm proving him wrong. IDOT is superior to WISdot.

[hotdogPi]

Other problems with IDiOT that have nothing to do with deficiency:

• Only three slip ramps in the state, as you have mentioned. They're supposed to increase efficiency, so why is IDiOT so averse to using them?
• Poorly timed traffic lights in the Chicago area (and probably the entire state) despite the existence of a grid.

[Max Rockatansky]

From my own personal experience I would second NM as having the worst surface pavement quality.  NM makes Midwest States like Illinois and Michigan seem reasonable at times.

[I-39]

Reality is: they both suck because they've spent money on unneeded expansions rather than taking care of what they have.

Can we get this thread back on topic regarding US 20 and take the pavement argument elsewhere?

[Rothman]

Reality is: they both suck because they've spent money on unneeded expansions rather than taking care of what they have.

Can we get this thread back on topic regarding US 20 and take the pavement argument elsewhere?

Iowa sucks.

[3467]

Rothman can you find the 60s future freeway map for upstate? That's where the US 20 came from in Illinois and sucky Iowa. Maps are being posted in General.Highway under Fitzowl.

[Crash_It]

Other problems with IDiOT that have nothing to do with deficiency:

• Only three slip ramps in the state, as you have mentioned. They're supposed to increase efficiency, so why is IDiOT so averse to using them?
• Poorly timed traffic lights in the Chicago area (and probably the entire state) despite the existence of a grid.

Just the city of Chicago I've witness the timing (STOPSTOPSTOPSTOP) issue, and in North Chicago as well near the Navy base, it can also be STOPSTOPSTOPSTOP if there's cross traffic at those intersections that feed into the base. There's supposed to be a project next year that will optimize the signals again.

[ET21]

I'm more amused at the "no one outside Illinois is allowed to criticize IDOT"  implication.

How could you even want to when your DOT had a whole bridge collapse? Never happened here.

Cause IDOT sucks? It's not like I've never been to Illinois.

Least we've never had a bridge collapse like MN did. And have miles of better pavement than WI which has 81% of it's pavement in poor condition vs just 16 for IL.

Umm, Crash. You may want to do some research on bridges in Illinois before claiming that it "never" happens here.
Dixon, IL - May 4, 1873 - Trusedale Bridge - 46 killed, 56 injured because of a design flaw.

No need to go back that far in history.  The Panzier Road bridge over Rayse Creek in Jefferson County collapsed in 2015 due to failed substructure just after a gravel truck crossed it.  IDOT replaced it as project #9-10498-0000, listed with the 2015 fiscal year projects.  I haven't been able to locate the results of the investigation, but news outlets reported at the time that "The bridge had a satisfactory rating on a national evaluation [in 2014]."

This bridge collapsed in 2013. Civil Engineer Scott Graham from WJE Associates was hired to investigate and found that the pilings were faulty when driven in 1977. Seems the bridge collapsed after a gravel truck had just passed over, he saw the bridge fall in his mirror. Recent movement of heavy trucks on the bridge was causing the pilings to flex in the bed of Rayse Creek.

Sounds like an overweight issue that the bridge couldn't handle after multiple heavy crossings. Wonder if they had weight restriction signs leading up to the bridge