Unpopular opinions (non road related)

[Bruce]

We should spin this off into a city bracket competition or something. Pairing up similar-sized cities for fairness.

Also, Seattle is still the most livable U.S. city on the West Coast.

Is it though with that huge cost of living problem it has?  That's a big issue in my book with livability that could have it lose in an upset to some other West Coast cities. 

Unfortunately it does, but it's not as severe as SF and LA. Portland is going through the same market issues, but doesn't have the higher wages to help ease the pain.

At least the commuting distances from the affordable suburbs aren't too far in comparison, though traffic will still be an issue.

[Max Rockatansky]

We should spin this off into a city bracket competition or something. Pairing up similar-sized cities for fairness.

Also, Seattle is still the most livable U.S. city on the West Coast.

Is it though with that huge cost of living problem it has?  That's a big issue in my book with livability that could have it lose in an upset to some other West Coast cities. 

Unfortunately it does, but it's not as severe as SF and LA. Portland is going through the same market issues, but doesn't have the higher wages to help ease the pain.

At least the commuting distances from the affordable suburbs aren't too far in comparison, though traffic will still be an issue.

I got to thinking fairly recently how come nobody brings up Sacramento in these scenarios about large west coast cities?  The City is actually kind of easy to get around with a decent mix of road and mass transit options (even with the unbuilt freeways).   The cost of living isn't through the roof like the Bay Area and the City doesn't seem to have any real political inclinations despite being the state capital. 

[webny99]

Now I'm curious how unpopular that really is. Personally I haven't spent much time in St. Paul, but at least none what I have seen makes me think it's worse than Minneapolis (except for the part of I-35E that's basically a parkway and has an absurdly low speed limit, as I recall).

It's an unpopular opinion growing up on the Minneapolis side like I did.

Ha, well that explains the bias. 

[citrus]

We should spin this off into a city bracket competition or something. Pairing up similar-sized cities for fairness.

Also, Seattle is still the most livable U.S. city on the West Coast.

Is it though with that huge cost of living problem it has?  That's a big issue in my book with livability that could have it lose in an upset to some other West Coast cities. 

Unfortunately it does, but it's not as severe as SF and LA. Portland is going through the same market issues, but doesn't have the higher wages to help ease the pain.

At least the commuting distances from the affordable suburbs aren't too far in comparison, though traffic will still be an issue.

I got to thinking fairly recently how come nobody brings up Sacramento in these scenarios about large west coast cities?  The City is actually kind of easy to get around with a decent mix of road and mass transit options (even with the unbuilt freeways).   The cost of living isn't through the roof like the Bay Area and the City doesn't seem to have any real political inclinations despite being the state capital. 

I don't mind Sac but most people I know in the Bay Area equate it with overly hot weather (including a few folks who grew up there and visit family often). Of course, there are plenty of people around who think SF is too cold. Apparently the Sacramento area is a top place for Bay Area folks trying to find a bit more space at lower cost, especially during the pandemic.

[Max Rockatansky]

We should spin this off into a city bracket competition or something. Pairing up similar-sized cities for fairness.

Also, Seattle is still the most livable U.S. city on the West Coast.

Is it though with that huge cost of living problem it has?  That's a big issue in my book with livability that could have it lose in an upset to some other West Coast cities. 

Unfortunately it does, but it's not as severe as SF and LA. Portland is going through the same market issues, but doesn't have the higher wages to help ease the pain.

At least the commuting distances from the affordable suburbs aren't too far in comparison, though traffic will still be an issue.

I got to thinking fairly recently how come nobody brings up Sacramento in these scenarios about large west coast cities?  The City is actually kind of easy to get around with a decent mix of road and mass transit options (even with the unbuilt freeways).   The cost of living isn't through the roof like the Bay Area and the City doesn't seem to have any real political inclinations despite being the state capital. 

I don't mind Sac but most people I know in the Bay Area equate it with overly hot weather (including a few folks who grew up there and visit family often). Of course, there are plenty of people around who think SF is too cold. Apparently the Sacramento area is a top place for Bay Area folks trying to find a bit more space at lower cost, especially during the pandemic.

Sacramento certainly would be a far more desirable place to live compared to Stockton or Modesto.  I still can't believe people really commute from there to San Francisco everyday.  I guess the heat of the Central Valley doesn't bother me after living in Phoenix and Orlando.

[kkt]

But Sacramento isn't on the coast.  And it is overly hot a lot of the time, except when it's foggy.

[Max Rockatansky]

But Sacramento isn't on the coast.  And it is overly hot a lot of the time, except when it's foggy.

Hence why I said what I did regarding Phoenix and Orlando.  Stacked up to 120F or humidity or 80% the low 100F range is a breeze.  FWIW Sacramento does have access to the coast by way of the Delta.  Mind you, it's kind of hideous at times with a major Florida Everglades vibe.

[zachary_amaryllis]

San Francisco > San Francisco

fort collins > cheyenne

I don't think that's too unpopular.  Cheyenne sucks. 

Chris

Maybe I picked a bad fertilizer day, but Fort Collins smelled much worse.

wind might have been out of the se that day... cuz greeley really smells bad.

[andrepoiy]

United States > Canada

[SSOWorld]

United States > Canada

Canada > United States

[SSOWorld]

United States > Canada

Canada > United States

Both are debatable

[Max Rockatansky]

United States > Canada

Canada > United States

Both are debatable

Hell I think Mexico is more interesting than both.

[Roadgeekteen]

United States > Canada

Canada > United States

Both are debatable

Hell I think Mexico is more interesting than both.

For visiting, maybe, for living, hell no.

[TheHighwayMan3561]

The grass is always greener on the other side, as they say.

[Roadgeekteen]

United States > Canada

Canada > United States

That's very popular on the internet.

[Max Rockatansky]

United States > Canada

Canada > United States

Both are debatable

Hell I think Mexico is more interesting than both.

For visiting, maybe, for living, hell no.

I don't know about that.  I could probably add a room the family house in Jalisco and retire with what I have saved.  I really enjoy the slower pace of life down there.

[Roadgeekteen]

United States > Canada

Canada > United States

Both are debatable

Hell I think Mexico is more interesting than both.

For visiting, maybe, for living, hell no.

I don't know about that.  I could probably add a room the family house in Jalisco and retire with what I have saved.  I really enjoy the slower pace of life down there.

Maybe in some select cases, but in terms of standard of living the US and Canada always rank far above Mexico.

[kkt]

Well, yeah, because US and Canada jobs pay more.  But if you can take what you earned at US pay and retire in Mexico, you can certainly get a nicer house.

But a nicer house isn't everything.

[Max Rockatansky]

United States > Canada

Canada > United States

Both are debatable

Hell I think Mexico is more interesting than both.

For visiting, maybe, for living, hell no.

I don't know about that.  I could probably add a room the family house in Jalisco and retire with what I have saved.  I really enjoy the slower pace of life down there.

Maybe in some select cases, but in terms of standard of living the US and Canada always rank far above Mexico.

Subjective opinion, that largely depends on what you want out of life and find important. 

[Roadgeekteen]

Well, yeah, because US and Canada jobs pay more.  But if you can take what you earned at US pay and retire in Mexico, you can certainly get a nicer house.

But a nicer house isn't everything.

Maybe Mexico is better for rich people.

[Max Rockatansky]

Well, yeah, because US and Canada jobs pay more.  But if you can take what you earned at US pay and retire in Mexico, you can certainly get a nicer house.

But a nicer house isn't everything.

Maybe Mexico is better for rich people.

I'm not rich, not even close.  What certainly is true though that in a lot of places in Mexico your money goes further does than in the United States.  Food for one is usually way less expensive (especially outside big cities) as well buying or building on property.  Mind you, the mountain of red tape and safety standards you have in the United States or Canada largely don't exist. 

My wife and I are already considering building a room/bathroom addition on the family home Zacoalco de Torres.  Given the structure is largely an open air brick/adobe design it quoted below what we anticipated.  Mind you by open air, I really mean an open air structure.   

[Roadgeekteen]

Well, yeah, because US and Canada jobs pay more.  But if you can take what you earned at US pay and retire in Mexico, you can certainly get a nicer house.

But a nicer house isn't everything.

Maybe Mexico is better for rich people.

I'm not rich, not even close.  What certainly is true though that in a lot of places in Mexico your money goes further does than in the United States.  Food for one is usually way less expensive (especially outside big cities) as well buying or building on property.  Mind you, the mountain of red tape and safety standards you have in the United States or Canada largely don't exist. 

My wife and I are already considering building a room/bathroom addition on the family home Zacoalco de Torres.  Given the structure is largely an open air brick/adobe design it quoted below what we anticipated.  Mind you by open air, I really mean an open air structure.

The red tape and safety standards are why many people would prefer the US and Canada.

[Max Rockatansky]

Well, yeah, because US and Canada jobs pay more.  But if you can take what you earned at US pay and retire in Mexico, you can certainly get a nicer house.

But a nicer house isn't everything.

Maybe Mexico is better for rich people.

I'm not rich, not even close.  What certainly is true though that in a lot of places in Mexico your money goes further does than in the United States.  Food for one is usually way less expensive (especially outside big cities) as well buying or building on property.  Mind you, the mountain of red tape and safety standards you have in the United States or Canada largely don't exist. 

My wife and I are already considering building a room/bathroom addition on the family home Zacoalco de Torres.  Given the structure is largely an open air brick/adobe design it quoted below what we anticipated.  Mind you by open air, I really mean an open air structure.

The red tape and safety standards are why many people would prefer the US and Canada.

If I wanted 2.3 kids, a dog and a white picket fence I never would have left Michigan.  That stereotypical American suburban dream was never for me. 

[kphoger]

Hell I think Mexico is more interesting than both.

For visiting, maybe, for living, hell no.

I don't know about that.  I could probably add a room the family house in Jalisco and retire with what I have saved.  I really enjoy the slower pace of life down there.

Maybe in some select cases, but in terms of standard of living the US and Canada always rank far above Mexico.

How does that make it less interesting to live in?

My best friends have lived in Mexico for the last couple of years, and they find it plenty interesting.

(It's my long-term goal as well.)

[kphoger]

crunchy > smooth