Control city for one route, but not for the other

Started by hbelkins, April 22, 2021, 11:45:24 AM

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hbelkins

Since control cities seem to be a hot topic, how about this?

What cities are controls for one route, but not another that passes through/nearby or otherwise serves it?

Two examples:

Evansville -- yes for I-69, no for I-64.

Wytheville -- yes for I-77, no for I-81.

(Former example: Dayton -- yes for I-75, formerly no for I-70).

The best examples would probably be found in places that serve as interstate crossroads, such as Cambridge, Ohio; Washington, Pa.; Statesville, NC; and the aforementioned Wytheville, Va.
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Roadgeekteen

Springfield: yes for I-91, sporadic for I-90
Syracuse: yes for I-81, no for I-90
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sprjus4

I-95 uses Richmond, skipping Petersburg, though I-85 uses Petersburg.

SkyPesos

Lodi - yes for I-76, no for I-71  :bigass:

sry, just picking a low-hanging fruit in my state.

webny99

Quote from: Roadgeekteen on April 22, 2021, 11:46:07 AM
Syracuse: yes for I-81, no for I-90

Also, Corning:

Yes for US 15/I-99
Yes for I-390 (which doesn't even go to Corning)
No for I-86 (which does go to Corning, but uses Binghamton).

webny99

Quote from: SkyPesos on April 22, 2021, 12:14:11 PM
Lodi - yes for I-76, no for I-71

I know you're probably not being entirely serious, but I would argue that Lodi is the control for US 224, not I-76.

Flint1979

I-64 is to going through Evansville like I-80 is to going through Chicago and Cleveland.

jmacswimmer

Both New Stanton & Breezewood: Yes for I-70, no for I-76 (with one exception)

Quote from: webny99 on April 22, 2021, 12:20:02 PM
Also, Corning:

Yes for US 15/I-99
Yes for I-390 (which doesn't even go to Corning)
No for I-86 (which does go to Corning, but uses Binghamton).


Corning is used for I-86 east at I-390's southern terminus.
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webny99

Quote from: jmacswimmer on April 22, 2021, 12:37:39 PM
Quote from: webny99 on April 22, 2021, 12:20:02 PM
Also, Corning:

Yes for US 15/I-99
Yes for I-390 (which doesn't even go to Corning)
No for I-86 (which does go to Corning, but uses Binghamton).


Corning is used for I-86 east at I-390's southern terminus.

Guilt by association with I-390  :-P

Binghamton is used almost everywhere else. It's also on the bottom of the post-interchange mileage signs.

vdeane

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Quote from: webny99 on April 22, 2021, 12:46:52 PM
Quote from: jmacswimmer on April 22, 2021, 12:37:39 PM
Quote from: webny99 on April 22, 2021, 12:20:02 PM
Also, Corning:

Yes for US 15/I-99
Yes for I-390 (which doesn't even go to Corning)
No for I-86 (which does go to Corning, but uses Binghamton).


Corning is used for I-86 east at I-390's southern terminus.

Guilt by association with I-390  :-P

Binghamton is used almost everywhere else. It's also on the bottom of the post-interchange mileage signs.
It's also used from I-81.  I think I remember someone mentioning at a meet there actually was a recent official change on what control cities are supposed to be signed going forward - Corning replaces Elmira, not sure what replaces Jamestown (Erie?).
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webny99

Quote from: vdeane on April 22, 2021, 12:51:54 PM
It's also used from I-81.  I think I remember someone mentioning at a meet there actually was a recent official change on what control cities are supposed to be signed going forward - Corning replaces Elmira, not sure what replaces Jamestown (Erie?).

Wow, I was so focused on eastbound that I forgot about westbound.

For consistency's sake, I'd support both of those changes. And I hope Erie does replace Jamestown, which was never particularly relevant.

thspfc

Portage WI - control city for US-51, WI-16, and WI-33, but not for I-39.

hbelkins

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sprjus4

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Quote from: hbelkins on April 22, 2021, 07:46:26 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on April 22, 2021, 11:48:52 AM
Quote from: hbelkins on April 22, 2021, 11:45:24 AM
Wytheville -- yes for I-77, no for I-81.
I-81 uses Wytheville.

Not in my experience. It's Roanoke and Bristol.
I-81 is all over the place. Sometimes it's Roanoke and Bristol, other times it's intermediate towns, then sometimes Wytheville is used.

Here's an example - https://www.google.com/maps/@36.9150287,-81.273432,3a,40.8y,18.06h,85.77t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sIrYfHLwt_kjPFNJO8gkvMQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!5m1!1e1

IMO it should just be solely Roanoke and Bristol, and nothing else. Even Bristol is questionable. Knoxville and Roanoke.

I like the fact Maryland uses "Roanoke" and skips over the intermediate sized cities (20,000 - 40,000 population), like Martinsburg, Winchester, Harrisonburg, Staunton, and focuses on a long-distance, more sizable city with a metro population of over 300,000. Far more of importance and recognition than those others, and certainly than the small towns.

Hell, if it's proper, go "Harrisburg" north of Roanoke, with the other cities (Staunton, Harrisonburg (that would be interesting), Winchester, Martinsburg, Hagerstown, Chambersburg) as "intermediate" control cities.

Roadgeekteen

Quote from: sprjus4 on April 22, 2021, 08:50:53 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on April 22, 2021, 07:46:26 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on April 22, 2021, 11:48:52 AM
Quote from: hbelkins on April 22, 2021, 11:45:24 AM
Wytheville -- yes for I-77, no for I-81.
I-81 uses Wytheville.

Not in my experience. It's Roanoke and Bristol.
I-81 is all over the place. Sometimes it's Roanoke and Bristol, other times it's intermediate towns, then sometimes Wytheville is used.

Here's an example - https://www.google.com/maps/@36.9150287,-81.273432,3a,40.8y,18.06h,85.77t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sIrYfHLwt_kjPFNJO8gkvMQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!5m1!1e1

IMO it should just be solely Roanoke and Bristol, and nothing else. Even Bristol is questionable. Knoxville and Roanoke.

I like the fact Maryland uses "Roanoke" and skips over the intermediate sized cities (20,000 - 40,000 population), like Martinsburg, Winchester, Harrisonburg, Staunton, and focuses on a long-distance, more sizable city with a metro population of over 300,000. Far more of importance and recognition than those others, and certainly than the small towns.

Hell, if it's proper, go "Harrisburg" north of Roanoke, with the other cities (Staunton, Harrisonburg (that would be interesting), Winchester, Martinsburg, Hagerstown, Chambersburg) as "intermediate" control cities.
I like far-off control cities, but Harrisburg is a stretch. Maybe use Winchester or Harrisonburg north of Roanoke.
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sprjus4

Quote from: Roadgeekteen on April 22, 2021, 10:02:06 PM
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Quote from: hbelkins on April 22, 2021, 07:46:26 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on April 22, 2021, 11:48:52 AM
Quote from: hbelkins on April 22, 2021, 11:45:24 AM
Wytheville -- yes for I-77, no for I-81.
I-81 uses Wytheville.

Not in my experience. It's Roanoke and Bristol.
I-81 is all over the place. Sometimes it's Roanoke and Bristol, other times it's intermediate towns, then sometimes Wytheville is used.

Here's an example - https://www.google.com/maps/@36.9150287,-81.273432,3a,40.8y,18.06h,85.77t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sIrYfHLwt_kjPFNJO8gkvMQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!5m1!1e1

IMO it should just be solely Roanoke and Bristol, and nothing else. Even Bristol is questionable. Knoxville and Roanoke.

I like the fact Maryland uses "Roanoke" and skips over the intermediate sized cities (20,000 - 40,000 population), like Martinsburg, Winchester, Harrisonburg, Staunton, and focuses on a long-distance, more sizable city with a metro population of over 300,000. Far more of importance and recognition than those others, and certainly than the small towns.

Hell, if it's proper, go "Harrisburg" north of Roanoke, with the other cities (Staunton, Harrisonburg (that would be interesting), Winchester, Martinsburg, Hagerstown, Chambersburg) as "intermediate" control cities.
I like far-off control cities, but Harrisburg is a stretch. Maybe use Winchester or Harrisonburg north of Roanoke.
Maybe in that instance, a smaller control city could be appropriate. But who knows. They'll never change.

CoreySamson

A couple state and US highway examples in Texas:

Brazoria: yes for TX-332, no for TX-36
Rosenberg: yes for TX-36, no for US 59
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Quote from: sprjus4 on April 22, 2021, 08:50:53 PM
Hell, if it's proper, go "Harrisburg" north of Roanoke, with the other cities (Staunton, Harrisonburg (that would be interesting), Winchester, Martinsburg, Hagerstown, Chambersburg) as "intermediate" control cities.

Which brings up another example:  Lexington on I-64 eastbound, but not on I-81 northbound.  Can't remember about I-81 southbound, but the main control city is Roanoke.

Roadgeekteen

Quote from: Dirt Roads on April 22, 2021, 10:30:31 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on April 22, 2021, 08:50:53 PM
Hell, if it's proper, go "Harrisburg" north of Roanoke, with the other cities (Staunton, Harrisonburg (that would be interesting), Winchester, Martinsburg, Hagerstown, Chambersburg) as "intermediate" control cities.

Which brings up another example:  Lexington on I-64 eastbound, but not on I-81 northbound.  Can't remember about I-81 southbound, but the main control city is Roanoke.
In my opinion, Lexington should be replaced with Richmond or Charlottesville, but I can see why they use it.
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Quote from: SkyPesos on April 22, 2021, 12:14:11 PM
Lodi - yes for I-76, no for I-71  :bigass:

sry, just picking a low-hanging fruit in my state.

This one is so low that it's in a bog:

Meriden - Yes for I-691, no for I-91

Another couple for MA, including one for Springfield:

Worcester - Yes for I-290/I-395, sporadic for I-90
Springfield - Yes for I-291, sporadic for I-90

A fun one:

New York: Yes for I-95.  As for I-80, yes in OH, no in PA, extremely sproradic in NJ.
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Quote from: hbelkins on April 22, 2021, 11:45:24 AM
Since control cities seem to be a hot topic, how about this?

What cities are controls for one route, but not another that passes through/nearby or otherwise serves it?

Two examples:

Evansville -- yes for I-69, no for I-64.
Late response to the OP: I thought I had seen I-64 with the "Evansville"  control posted. I know it is at the IL 1 exit near the Wabash River: https://goo.gl/maps/9Bm5TDxHq6s6ekkPA

I think IDOT uses it as the EB Secondary control between Mount Vernon and the Wabash River

tolbs17

Rocky Mount - I-95 yes US-64 (future I-87) No.



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