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Author Topic: I-495 and I-270 P3 Program  (Read 13687 times)

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Re: I-495 and I-270 P3 Program
« Reply #225 on: January 04, 2020, 04:04:25 PM »

Although during rush hour its 1 HOV lane, 3 thru lanes, and 2 local lanes. So yes while technically they're removing a general-purpose lane during non-peak hours, during rush hour they're really not. This is similar to what Virginia is doing currently on I-66 and I honestly don't mind it.
My thing was mainly regarding eliminating the local-thru setup, which allows local traffic to use a separate roadway from thru traffic.
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Re: I-495 and I-270 P3 Program
« Reply #226 on: January 04, 2020, 04:09:13 PM »

Although during rush hour its 1 HOV lane, 3 thru lanes, and 2 local lanes. So yes while technically they're removing a general-purpose lane during non-peak hours, during rush hour they're really not. This is similar to what Virginia is doing currently on I-66 and I honestly don't mind it.
My thing was mainly regarding eliminating the local-thru setup, which allows local traffic to use a separate roadway from thru traffic.
Based on my experience, it operates more like a C/D roadway than a local roadway.
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Re: I-495 and I-270 P3 Program
« Reply #227 on: January 04, 2020, 04:10:03 PM »

Although during rush hour its 1 HOV lane, 3 thru lanes, and 2 local lanes. So yes while technically they're removing a general-purpose lane during non-peak hours, during rush hour they're really not. This is similar to what Virginia is doing currently on I-66 and I honestly don't mind it.
My thing was mainly regarding eliminating the local-thru setup, which allows local traffic to use a separate roadway from thru traffic.
Based on my experience, it operates more like a C/D roadway than a local roadway.
Either way, the toll lane project will eliminate that C/D setup.
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Re: I-495 and I-270 P3 Program
« Reply #228 on: January 06, 2020, 12:49:11 AM »

Hogan secures key vote to revive deal advancing highway toll lanes project

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Maryland Gov. Larry Hogan has secured key support on a deal that would put a multibillion-dollar project to build toll lanes on the Beltway and Interstate 270 back on track, the governorís office announced Friday.

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The deal would advance an initial phase of the project involving the American Legion Bridge, a western stretch of the Beltway and the lower section of I-270. It also underscores that the state will not acquire properties lying in the path of the proposed new lanes until building of the lanes has been approved, and it includes earlier funding for transit in Prince Georgeís and Montgomery counties.

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The highway project would be one of the nationís largest public-private partnerships.
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Re: I-495 and I-270 P3 Program
« Reply #229 on: February 14, 2020, 11:26:39 AM »

[Commentary] Reason Foundation: The Misguided Efforts to Derail Marylandís I-270 and I-495 Toll Projects - Drivers would get congestion relief, transit riders would get new high-quality bus service, and taxpayers wouldn't have to fund the projects.

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Infrastructure projects where almost everyone gets a win are, unfortunately, relatively few and far between. But thatís exactly what the I-270 and I-495 Maryland managed lanes projects are: Drivers get congestion relief; transit riders get new high-quality bus service; and, taxpayers donít have to pay for the project unless they choose to use the lanesósince drivers using the managed lanes will pay tolls that fund the entire cost of the project.
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Re: I-495 and I-270 P3 Program
« Reply #230 on: February 14, 2020, 04:01:04 PM »

The author presumes that toll money would fully pay for the lanes.  That itself is misguided.
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Re: I-495 and I-270 P3 Program
« Reply #231 on: February 14, 2020, 04:27:29 PM »

The author presumes that toll money would fully pay for the lanes.  That itself is misguided.
The taxpayers do benefit though as there will be some congestion relief in the general purpose lanes.

The use of tax dollars to subsidize toll funding should also result in lower toll rates... but we see how well that's worked.
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Re: I-495 and I-270 P3 Program
« Reply #232 on: July 11, 2020, 01:09:54 PM »

MDOT/SHA Web site for the P3 project (not sure this has been posted before): I-270 & I-495 Managed Lanes Study

I-495 & I-270  MANAGED LANES STUDY Draft Environmental Impact Statement and Draft Section 4(f ) Evaluation June 2020  Note: Large PDF document (about 23 mb) - high-speed and robust network connection suggested.

DCIST: Maryland Publishes 18,000-page Environmental Impact Assessment Of Proposed I-270 And I-495 Expansion

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The state of Maryland has released its long-awaited draft environmental impact assessment for the Hogan administrationís controversial Beltway expansion project.

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The report examines the effects a range of possible design options for widening parts of I-495 and I-270 in Montgomery and Prince Georgeís counties would have on air quality, water quality, wetlands, wildlife, environmental justice, parks and historical sites, and more. The state has been working on the review since 2018. It is 18,000 pages long, including associated technical reports.

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The additional highway lanes would be express toll lanes or high-occupancy toll lanes, meaning that drivers using them would pay extra to drive in the less-congested lanes. The project has an estimated $11 billion price tag and would be built as part of a public-private partnership.

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The project already passed an important milestone in January, when a revised plan for it was approved by the stateís Board of Public Works, over the objections of some environmental advocates, who wanted the environmental impact study to be completed before the Board approved the plans.
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Re: I-495 and I-270 P3 Program
« Reply #233 on: July 11, 2020, 11:35:08 PM »

18,000 pages!   :wow
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Re: I-495 and I-270 P3 Program
« Reply #234 on: July 12, 2020, 10:01:44 AM »

18,000 pages!   :wow

The one for the ICC was bigger.
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