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Re: Virginia
« Reply #75 on: March 25, 2010, 09:57:41 PM »


VA 113 was also fully deposted in Bristol based on all reports I have seen.  I'm going to try to get out there this summer to see if I can find a stray shield.

As I advocate in the upcoming update to the 381-400 page, VA 381 could either be Green I-381 or US 19 (which should also replace VA 140 - US 19 is a through route and could easily behave like US 58 in this area).

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VA 381 was fully posted when the cutouts were removed and replaced with modern signage. Now those signs are gone.

There are no VA 113 signs out there, either. I was in Bristol summer before last and drove through town pretty extensively, checking for leftover cutouts and the new alignment of US 421. Saw no VA 113 signage, and don't remember any new signage for that route being installed when the cutouts were removed throughout the city.
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Removed Virginia 381 signage
« Reply #76 on: March 25, 2010, 11:50:06 PM »

Virginia 381 removed signage:


Note the empty space north of the I-81 shield.

Commonwealth Avenue south of Euclid:
before and after

This sign assembly was removed completely:



As was this one:



Priority is now given to the sign bridge.


The story is the same along Commonwealth Avenue. I have photos of Andy and Carter's from May 2007 to post in my next update, which will revamp the I-381/VA 381 entry.
In the meantime, I added their photos of US 11, US 11E, US 11W, which also covers US 19 and US 421.

Also made a small update to US 501. I may or may have not gotten the situation at Beech and Park Avenues in Buena Vista correct...
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Re: Virginia
« Reply #77 on: March 26, 2010, 08:43:31 AM »

your description of US 501 Bus is incorrect.  It leaves Beech at 22nd and used 22nd to Magnolia.  The photos of the US 501 Business shields earlier in this thread show this alignment.  Magnolia north of 22nd is no longer 501-anything.

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Re: Virginia
« Reply #78 on: March 26, 2010, 12:12:10 PM »

your description of US 501 Bus is incorrect.  It leaves Beech at 22nd and used 22nd to Magnolia.  The photos of the US 501 Business shields earlier in this thread show this alignment.  Magnolia north of 22nd is no longer 501-anything.

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I was uncertain if it followed Park Avenue to Sycamore. Your description above addresses the correct alignment, and I will update the page accordingly, thanks!

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Old U.S. 211 in New Market?
« Reply #79 on: March 26, 2010, 02:01:58 PM »

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Re: Virginia
« Reply #80 on: March 26, 2010, 03:15:14 PM »

Yes it was.  Couldn't tell you when it was moved to the current alignment, but the old alignment appears on the 1936 county map.
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Re: Virginia
« Reply #81 on: March 26, 2010, 04:47:59 PM »

US 211 was removed from SR 1002 in the Feb 1951 CTB (has the same project number matching a 1949 contract for construction on US 211 from US 11 to west of Smith Creek...

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Re: Virginia
« Reply #82 on: March 30, 2010, 11:38:28 PM »

Check out how badly the aerial, map data, and street view photography jive at the reconfigured US 23/58/421 and VA 224 junctions.

Edited to 421 instead of 221
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Re: Virginia
« Reply #83 on: March 31, 2010, 03:56:17 PM »

Check out how badly the aerial, map data, and street view photography jive at the reconfigured US 23/58/421 and VA 224 junctions.
  I think that might have been the worse I've seen by far.
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Re: Virginia
« Reply #84 on: March 31, 2010, 11:46:59 PM »

Check out how badly the aerial, map data, and street view photography jive at the reconfigured US 23/58/421 and VA 224 junctions.

Edited to 421 instead of 221

The map is pretty much accurate. I drove the new configuration last Friday, turning from US 23 south to US 58 east. The through connection here is now VA 224, which is now signed from US 23.

But there is more work to be done here, right?
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Re: Virginia
« Reply #85 on: April 01, 2010, 06:27:53 AM »

Phases 2 and 3 of this project wil tie VA 72 to this area as new construction.  According to VDOT's website ROW acquisition completion and start of construction are on hold pending funding.

The disparity of satellite vs. street view dates back to at least May 2008 when I took these pictures:
http://www.vahighways.com/va-ends/va200/va224_nt.jpg
http://www.vahighways.com/va-ends/va200/va224_nt_02.jpg


Another disparity (not as bad as this one I suppose) I found earlier this week was at the US 89-180 jct in Flagstaff
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=flagstaff,+az&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=52.550571,90.175781&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Flagstaff,+Coconino,+Arizona&ll=35.220941,-111.587223&spn=0.006688,0.011008&t=h&z=17

Street view and the map show the interchange shown in the satellite removed (and a US 89 END shield has been put up)

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Re: Virginia
« Reply #86 on: April 01, 2010, 10:44:49 AM »


Another disparity (not as bad as this one I suppose) I found earlier this week was at the US 89-180 jct in Flagstaff
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=flagstaff,+az&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=52.550571,90.175781&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Flagstaff,+Coconino,+Arizona&ll=35.220941,-111.587223&spn=0.006688,0.011008&t=h&z=17

Street view and the map show the interchange shown in the satellite removed (and a US 89 END shield has been put up)

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Why would anyone remove a grade-separated interchange and replace it with a T intersection with a traffic light?
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Re: Virginia
« Reply #87 on: April 01, 2010, 11:06:08 AM »

Why would anyone remove a grade-separated interchange and replace it with a T intersection with a traffic light?
Maybe traffic levels have dropped to the point where all that's necessary is an at-grade rather than taking on the expense of replacing and maintaining bridges. There's been a few places in Michigan where this has happened.
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Re: Virginia
« Reply #88 on: April 01, 2010, 01:01:02 PM »

Replacing a trumpet interchange with a signalized intersection?  :banghead:





Anyone recall what was displayed on this sign for I-77/81 Exit 77?

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Re: Virginia
« Reply #89 on: April 01, 2010, 02:28:40 PM »

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Replacing a trumpet interchange with a signalized intersection?

Brian mentioned one possibility.  Another possibility is that the old interchange was sub-standard, bringing it up to standard was cost- or ROW-prohibitive, but a traffic signal could adequately handle traffic volumes.  One item leading credence to this theory is the bridge over the railroad was replaced.

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Anyone recall what was displayed on this sign for I-77/81 Exit 77?

Couldn't tell you myself, but it's likely an off-shoot of when/how I-81 was built through there, effectively an upgrade of the then-existing US 11/52 4-lane highway back in the mid-80s.
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Re: Virginia
« Reply #90 on: April 01, 2010, 09:25:16 PM »

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Replacing a trumpet interchange with a signalized intersection?

Brian mentioned one possibility.  Another possibility is that the old interchange was sub-standard, bringing it up to standard was cost- or ROW-prohibitive, but a traffic signal could adequately handle traffic volumes.  One item leading credence to this theory is the bridge over the railroad was replaced.

I'm thinking that all the bridges had to be replaced, and it's of course a lot cheaper to do one than two.  Then factor in that I-40 probably wasn't there when the trumpet was first constructed.  Finally, the DOT can sell the extra trumpet land for development.

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Re: Virginia
« Reply #91 on: April 02, 2010, 08:27:50 AM »

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I'm thinking that all the bridges had to be replaced, and it's of course a lot cheaper to do one than two.  Then factor in that I-40 probably wasn't there when the trumpet was first constructed.  Finally, the DOT can sell the extra trumpet land for development.

The original RR bridge is still listed at nationalbridges.com and shows a build date of 1967.  So I believe the trumpet interchange dates to the completion of I-40 in this area, as US 66 didn't use Country Club Rd (used Historic 66 under the RR bridge) prior to I-40.

As for the Exit 77 sign on I-77/81, I do not recall it looking any different from that either.  It is possible the road to the south was in the SR system at one time.  More remote would be a VA 336 shield or the words State Police HQ

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Re: Virginia
« Reply #92 on: April 05, 2010, 03:02:11 PM »

Replacing a trumpet interchange with a signalized intersection?  :banghead:

I don't know if it could had been worse or better then the signalized intersection, how about replacing a trumpet interchange with a roundabout? :confused:
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Re: Virginia
« Reply #93 on: April 23, 2010, 01:33:51 PM »

In a fit of self-congratulations...

Yesterday after an 18-hour, 930 mile ride, I have clinched the entire (normal) primary highway system in Virginia that is accessible to the public (VA 165Y is not).  Yesterday's ride included VA 70, VA 352 and the final route to be clinched, US 421.  My definition of clinched is highways I have actually driven.

The first Virginia route I clinched was US 21 in 1987.  So it only took 23 years...

The only 300 series routes I have not clinched to my satisfaction are 302, 303, and 314.  A few pieces of the 300-series are not accessible to the public, notably 315 (state capitol, which I -have- driven) and some of the prison routes.

One note from yesterday's ride - VA 370 has two distinct, separate segments (SR 871 and also SR 646) and BOTH are posted with shields.

Of course this is all temporary...until the Hillsville Bypass is opened or some other project comes along...

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Re: Virginia
« Reply #94 on: April 29, 2010, 11:56:20 PM »

Noticed something interesting when for some strange reason I checked my rearview mirror exiting the eastbound (formerly 2-way) tube of the HRBT:
http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=128+River+Walk+Ct,+Hampton,+Virginia+23669&ll=36.984279,-76.30319&spn=0,0.026157&t=h&z=16&layer=c&cbll=36.984358,-76.303262&panoid=93-JIRniLNr-BBe1ADWsqQ&cbp=12,326.22,,0,-13.97
Very old "Do Not Change Lanes In Tunnel" sign. I would assume that it dates to the 70s at the latest--when the HRBT was twin spanned.

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Re: Virginia
« Reply #95 on: April 30, 2010, 10:47:38 AM »

The WB tunnel exit has the same thing, in better shape:

http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=128+River+Walk+Ct,+Hampton,+Virginia+23669&t=h&layer=c&cbll=37.001145,-76.317974&panoid=PINFWHM9tYLL89XoTA0FRw&cbp=12,177.02,,0,5&ll=37.001233,-76.318052&spn=0,0.015235&z=16

I'm pretty sure the HRBT is set up to run 2-way traffic on either side if they needed to. 

Incidentally, the EB direction is the newer structure.  It has the older railings now because the WB bridge (1957) used to have no shoulders and some were added in the 90s.

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Re: Virginia
« Reply #96 on: May 01, 2010, 11:11:55 PM »

Quick question - how much of the 4di Parkway Routes (3000, 7100, etc) are actually signed as 3000 or 7100 and such?
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Re: Virginia
« Reply #97 on: May 01, 2010, 11:59:28 PM »

Quick question - how much of the 4di Parkway Routes (3000, 7100, etc) are actually signed as 3000 or 7100 and such?

There's nothing really special about those routes, they're normal secondary routes built to high or sometimes freeway standards (often with substantial county funding). The Prince William Parkway (SR 3000), Fairfax County Parkway (SR 7100), Franconia-Springfield Parkway (SR 7900), and Centreport Parkway (Stafford County SR 8900, 2-lane for entire route) are all fully posted. My hunch is the numbers were chosen to be more recognizable; these routes aren't primary because they mainly serve one county's interests.
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Re: Virginia
« Reply #98 on: May 10, 2010, 03:54:24 PM »

According to TOLLROADSnews the I-495/Capital Beltway HOT lanes could eventually be extended to the Potomac.  http://tollroadsnews.com/node/4743  Honestly I'm not sure how long it would take before money is financed for this.
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Re: Virginia
« Reply #99 on: May 11, 2010, 07:34:43 AM »

Here's the Washington Post article on the subject.

Meanwhile, BRAC will be causing us further problems in Northern Virginia...
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