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Re: Infrastructure Bill 2021
« Reply #175 on: October 02, 2021, 10:33:55 AM »

I'm still trying to figure out Sinema. Conservatives were dead-set against her when she ran.

Everyone's trying to figure out Sinema, even her own staffers. I've read social media posts from people who worked for her in her campaigns that are entirely baffled by her Senate record because it doesn't square with her previous positions or values at all. The prevailing theory seems to be that she is attempting to emulate Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) and his "maverick" reputation, without understanding why McCain did the things he did.

Hell, Sinema is trying to figure out Sinema! It's not too hard to see why some people think she's trying to be McCain 2.0 after tapping McConnell on the shoulder to get his attention and then immediately pulling her curtsy "thumbs down" stunt earlier this year.
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Re: Infrastructure Bill 2021
« Reply #178 on: October 17, 2021, 09:45:32 PM »

The game of "chicken" continues...

https://www.newsweek.com/kyrsten-sinema-wont-support-reconciliation-bill-without-passing-infrastructure-report-1639099

Well, that's fuckin' fantastic. House progressives won't pass the hard bill unless the soft bill is passed. Sinema won't vote for the soft bill unless the hard bill is passed. Unless someone can somehow back Sinema off her position, she will have basically single-handedly killed both bills.

Whichever member of Senate Democratic leadership had the bright idea to split the combined bill into two must really feel like a chump right now.
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Re: Infrastructure Bill 2021
« Reply #179 on: October 17, 2021, 10:06:46 PM »

I'm honestly surprised the first bill even passed the Senate at all with this two-track stuff.  I would have thought the Republicans would have abandoned the bill once it became clear that the budget reconciliation bill was a supplement to the bipartisan one and not a fall-back position, just like their counterparts in the House have now.
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Re: Infrastructure Bill 2021
« Reply #180 on: October 18, 2021, 08:05:33 AM »

I'm honestly surprised the first bill even passed the Senate at all with this two-track stuff.  I would have thought the Republicans would have abandoned the bill once it became clear that the budget reconciliation bill was a supplement to the bipartisan one and not a fall-back position, just like their counterparts in the House have now.

I'm not. I'd bet my house that the Senate GOP was counting on the House progressives to hold up the hard bill so that they won't take the heat before the midterms if or when the hard bill crashes and burns. McConnell is a lot of things, but stupid ain't one of them (except for his dumb decision to kill a stimmy, which cost him control of the Senate).
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« Reply #181 on: October 18, 2021, 08:29:46 AM »

The game of "chicken" continues...

https://www.newsweek.com/kyrsten-sinema-wont-support-reconciliation-bill-without-passing-infrastructure-report-1639099

Well, that's fuckin' fantastic. House progressives won't pass the hard bill unless the soft bill is passed. Sinema won't vote for the soft bill unless the hard bill is passed. Unless someone can somehow back Sinema off her position, she will have basically single-handedly killed both bills.

Whichever member of Senate Democratic leadership had the bright idea to split the combined bill into two must really feel like a chump right now.

Agreed. At least Manchin is willing to talk, even though he doesn't have much wiggle room to negotiate since he represents one of the reddest states in the country. His seat is guaranteed to go red once he decides to call it quits. He knows that and so does Schumer. That's why Manchin got pissed when Bernie wrote his op-ed in WV.

Sinema, on the other hand, is just being a pain in everybody's ass. She's not saying what she will accept in the soft bill since she's too busy saying what she's against. Hell, there was period where she wouldn't even take phone calls from the damn president. She's from a state that's turning more and more purple, so I'm not sure what the hell her excuse is for pulling a 180. I don't see her surviving a primary challenge. I'll leave it at that.
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Re: Infrastructure Bill 2021
« Reply #183 on: October 28, 2021, 06:16:45 PM »

It looks like good news on the infrastructure front today, as Manchin, Sinema, and leadership have reached a tentative agreement on the soft bill/reconcilation bill/Build Back Better bill. Everyone is being cautious, however, as the bill text has yet to be written, so someone could theoretically find something objectionable in the final product. The House progressives are signaling that they intend to support the hard infrastructure bill, but they too want to see the final soft bill text come out to make sure they're not getting screwed (and to see whether Manchin/Sinema walk back their support) before they support the hard bill.
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Re: Infrastructure Bill 2021
« Reply #184 on: October 28, 2021, 07:13:21 PM »

No vote today
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Re: Infrastructure Bill 2021
« Reply #186 on: October 29, 2021, 02:08:16 PM »

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Re: Infrastructure Bill 2021
« Reply #188 on: November 01, 2021, 08:57:05 PM »

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Re: Infrastructure Bill 2021
« Reply #189 on: November 05, 2021, 09:16:44 AM »

Looks like the House progressives have finally caved.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/11/01/politics/pramila-jayapal-joe-manchin-biden-agenda-cnntv/index.html

Not quite.  After the election results in NJ and VA, its gotten a bit weird.

Im going to go on a limb here and say that none of these bills will be passed.
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« Reply #190 on: November 05, 2021, 11:03:28 AM »

Looks like the House progressives have finally caved.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/11/01/politics/pramila-jayapal-joe-manchin-biden-agenda-cnntv/index.html

Not quite.  After the election results in NJ and VA, its gotten a bit weird.

Im going to go on a limb here and say that none of these bills will be passed.

The House is supposed to vote on them today. I'm pretty sure the hard bill will pass and hit Biden's desk, but the soft bill will probably get killed in the Senate by Manchinema.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/meet-the-press/house-democrats-move-advance-biden-agenda-after-election-losses-without-n1283324
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Re: Infrastructure Bill 2021
« Reply #191 on: November 05, 2021, 04:21:35 PM »

Looks like the House progressives have finally caved.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/11/01/politics/pramila-jayapal-joe-manchin-biden-agenda-cnntv/index.html

Not quite.  After the election results in NJ and VA, it’s gotten a bit weird.

I’m going to go on a limb here and say that none of these bills will be passed.

The House is supposed to vote on them today. I'm pretty sure the hard bill will pass and hit Biden's desk, but the soft bill will probably get killed in the Senate by Manchinema.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/meet-the-press/house-democrats-move-advance-biden-agenda-after-election-losses-without-n1283324

Was supposed to vote on them today.  Now Pelosi has five representatives asking for a CBO review of it.  I’m still going to stick by my limb here and say neither passes.

On top of that, Jayapal just shut Pelosi down (again) on the vote today, unwilling to separate the two bills now.
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« Reply #192 on: November 05, 2021, 05:15:32 PM »

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« Reply #193 on: November 05, 2021, 05:32:03 PM »

^^ It does seem like a Benny Hill skit at this point.
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« Reply #194 on: November 05, 2021, 06:21:46 PM »

Looks like the House progressives have finally caved.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/11/01/politics/pramila-jayapal-joe-manchin-biden-agenda-cnntv/index.html

Not quite.  After the election results in NJ and VA, its gotten a bit weird.

Im going to go on a limb here and say that none of these bills will be passed.

The House is supposed to vote on them today. I'm pretty sure the hard bill will pass and hit Biden's desk, but the soft bill will probably get killed in the Senate by Manchinema.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/meet-the-press/house-democrats-move-advance-biden-agenda-after-election-losses-without-n1283324

Was supposed to vote on them today.  Now Pelosi has five representatives asking for a CBO review of it.  Im still going to stick by my limb here and say neither passes.

On top of that, Jayapal just shut Pelosi down (again) on the vote today, unwilling to separate the two bills now.

Shit, they might as well give Jayapal the gavel until 2023 when McCarthy takes over, since she's clearly the one running the show at this point. :banghead:

What a shitshow.
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Re: Infrastructure Bill 2021
« Reply #195 on: November 05, 2021, 06:36:50 PM »

A Speaker of the House from the real Washington would be welcome. Haven't had one of those since 1995.

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« Reply #196 on: November 05, 2021, 11:01:25 PM »

According to a live update from CNN, Jayapal and the other House progressives reached an agreement with moderates to vote and pass the hard bill tonight in exchange for voting on the soft bill no later than the week of Nov. 15.

Took long enough for sanity to prevail.

EDIT: The vote is taking place right now.
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Re: Infrastructure Bill 2021
« Reply #197 on: November 05, 2021, 11:26:44 PM »

The bill has passed!!! (that is, the one that cleared the Senate in August, the "hard" bill)

Final count: 228 - 206 (13 Republicans voted "yes" while 6 Democrats voted "no").

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« Reply #198 on: November 05, 2021, 11:27:18 PM »

Infrastructure Week is finally here!
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« Reply #199 on: November 05, 2021, 11:37:03 PM »

Infrastructure Week is finally here!

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