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How long until the Route Numbering committee results from the Fall 2021 meeting are released?

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AASHTO Fall 2021 meeting
« on: October 28, 2021, 12:38:55 PM »

It's that time again...the AASHTO Fall 2021 meeting is being held this week. Of course we are all interested to see what route changes occur and if any new routes are born...

Feel free to vote in the poll!
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Re: AASHTO Fall 2021 meeting
« Reply #1 on: October 28, 2021, 03:20:14 PM »

I wonder if this is the meeting we'll finally see the first new US Route designation since 2005 :sombrero:.

But of course, that won't happen, along with any of the following:
  • I-894 decomissioned
  • I-515 absorbed by I-11
  • I-338 designated on a yet-to-be-built one way bridge into the San Francisco Bay
  • I-366 designated along VA 28
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Re: AASHTO Fall 2021 meeting
« Reply #2 on: October 28, 2021, 03:29:11 PM »


  • I-338 designated on a yet-to-be-built one way bridge into the San Francisco Bay


One of my favorite roadgeek in-jokes.
Though let's be honest, after a few weeks it, too, would be congested as the pile of cars would back up onto the bridge and all the way to The Nimitz Freeway. :-D
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Re: AASHTO Fall 2021 meeting
« Reply #3 on: October 28, 2021, 05:16:21 PM »

I wonder if this is the meeting we'll finally see the first new US Route designation since 2005 :sombrero:.

But of course, that won't happen, along with any of the following:
  • I-894 decomissioned
  • I-515 absorbed by I-11
  • I-338 designated on a yet-to-be-built one way bridge into the San Francisco Bay
  • I-366 designated along VA 28

Can we please take this mierda to fictional?
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Re: AASHTO Fall 2021 meeting
« Reply #4 on: October 30, 2021, 02:32:06 PM »

Now that the meeting is over, let the wait begin for the results...

One item that is likely to be included this time around: I-885 in North Carolina, as the East End Connector is nearly finished.
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Re: AASHTO Fall 2021 meeting
« Reply #5 on: October 30, 2021, 05:47:01 PM »

Now that the meeting is over, let the wait begin for the results...

One item that is likely to be included this time around: I-885 in North Carolina, as the East End Connector is nearly finished.

I didn't get a picture, but last weekend I saw at least one standing I-885 shield on NC 147 south of Durham. There are also a whole lot of new covered-up signs in that area that I'm assuming have a bunch of 885 references on them...

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Re: AASHTO Fall 2021 meeting
« Reply #6 on: October 30, 2021, 06:04:58 PM »

Now that the meeting is over, let the wait begin for the results...

One item that is likely to be included this time around: I-885 in North Carolina, as the East End Connector is nearly finished.

I'm waiting for I-42 in Goldsboro.

I-42 was just submitted to AASTHO.  Approval anticipated in January.
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Re: AASHTO Fall 2021 meeting
« Reply #7 on: October 31, 2021, 11:19:54 PM »

Now that the meeting is over, let the wait begin for the results...

One item that is likely to be included this time around: I-885 in North Carolina, as the East End Connector is nearly finished.

I didn't get a picture, but last weekend I saw at least one standing I-885 shield on NC 147 south of Durham. There are also a whole lot of new covered-up signs in that area that I'm assuming have a bunch of 885 references on them...

The one beyond the Glover Road overpass?



Pic from 5/31/21

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Re: AASHTO Fall 2021 meeting
« Reply #8 on: November 01, 2021, 01:27:09 AM »

More routes = more pictures for later.

Isn't there also like that weird Interstate 67 proposal in Indiana? I think I saw it on like interstate-guide a while ago but it doesn't exist and idk if it's even in the works or not.
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Re: AASHTO Fall 2021 meeting
« Reply #9 on: November 01, 2021, 01:10:12 PM »

Note that just because something is proposed by local politicians doesn't mean it will get so far as to reach the AASHTO approval stage. Most of the time, it has to be built first, for Interstates at least.
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Re: AASHTO Fall 2021 meeting
« Reply #10 on: November 29, 2021, 10:57:48 PM »

This article about the approval of extending I-555 in Jonesboro AR appeared last week:
https://katv.com/newsletter-daily/highway-63-in-jonesboro-re-designated-as-i-555

Given that the article indicates AASHTO approval, perhaps this means the USRN Committee has met recently, and perhaps results will be posted in the not too distant future.

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Re: AASHTO Fall 2021 meeting
« Reply #11 on: November 30, 2021, 08:23:24 AM »

This article about the approval of extending I-555 in Jonesboro AR appeared last week:
https://katv.com/newsletter-daily/highway-63-in-jonesboro-re-designated-as-i-555

Given that the article indicates AASHTO approval, perhaps this means the USRN Committee has met recently, and perhaps results will be posted in the not too distant future.

AASHTO Annual Meeting was on October 26-29, 2021 in San Diego, California. We are all just waiting for someone from AASHTO or some other organization to post the meeting minutes.
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Re: AASHTO Fall 2021 meeting
« Reply #12 on: November 30, 2021, 11:25:08 PM »

This article about the approval of extending I-555 in Jonesboro AR appeared last week:
https://katv.com/newsletter-daily/highway-63-in-jonesboro-re-designated-as-i-555

Given that the article indicates AASHTO approval, perhaps this means the USRN Committee has met recently, and perhaps results will be posted in the not too distant future.

I was looking through the old AASHTO meeting minutes and it looks like this particular one was approved back in Spring 2016. Here are the Meeting Minutes and Arkansas' Application.
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Re: AASHTO Fall 2021 meeting
« Reply #13 on: December 01, 2021, 12:07:57 AM »

This article about the approval of extending I-555 in Jonesboro AR appeared last week:
https://katv.com/newsletter-daily/highway-63-in-jonesboro-re-designated-as-i-555

Given that the article indicates AASHTO approval, perhaps this means the USRN Committee has met recently, and perhaps results will be posted in the not too distant future.

I was looking through the old AASHTO meeting minutes and it looks like this particular one was approved back in Spring 2016. Here are the Meeting Minutes and Arkansas' Application.
I thought it had been approved already too but went back in the AASHTO minutes only to 2018, not far enough, I guess. A very late breaking news article? Something must have caused the article to be published though, either FHWA approved the request 5 years later or Arkansas finally is getting around to signing it. In any case, the agenda for the Fall 2021 AASHTO Meeting did not include any mention of a meeting by the the USRN. So they may have not met since the spring, guess we'll find out eventually.  :-/

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Re: AASHTO Fall 2021 meeting
« Reply #14 on: December 01, 2021, 02:29:09 PM »

This article about the approval of extending I-555 in Jonesboro AR appeared last week:
https://katv.com/newsletter-daily/highway-63-in-jonesboro-re-designated-as-i-555

Given that the article indicates AASHTO approval, perhaps this means the USRN Committee has met recently, and perhaps results will be posted in the not too distant future.

I was looking through the old AASHTO meeting minutes and it looks like this particular one was approved back in Spring 2016. Here are the Meeting Minutes and Arkansas' Application.
I thought it had been approved already too but went back in the AASHTO minutes only to 2018, not far enough, I guess. A very late breaking news article? Something must have caused the article to be published though, either FHWA approved the request 5 years later or Arkansas finally is getting around to signing it. In any case, the agenda for the Fall 2021 AASHTO Meeting did not include any mention of a meeting by the the USRN. So they may have not met since the spring, guess we'll find out eventually.  :-/

Yeah. I have been checking at least once a week hoping to see something but I am wondering if they had any meeting this time. Along with the agenda thing you mentioned, they haven't updated their homepage. It still says the next meeting is Spring 2021.
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Re: AASHTO Fall 2021 meeting
« Reply #15 on: December 01, 2021, 10:16:33 PM »

This article about the approval of extending I-555 in Jonesboro AR appeared last week:
https://katv.com/newsletter-daily/highway-63-in-jonesboro-re-designated-as-i-555

Given that the article indicates AASHTO approval, perhaps this means the USRN Committee has met recently, and perhaps results will be posted in the not too distant future.

I was looking through the old AASHTO meeting minutes and it looks like this particular one was approved back in Spring 2016. Here are the Meeting Minutes and Arkansas' Application.
I thought it had been approved already too but went back in the AASHTO minutes only to 2018, not far enough, I guess. A very late breaking news article? Something must have caused the article to be published though, either FHWA approved the request 5 years later or Arkansas finally is getting around to signing it. In any case, the agenda for the Fall 2021 AASHTO Meeting did not include any mention of a meeting by the the USRN. So they may have not met since the spring, guess we'll find out eventually.  :-/

Yeah. I have been checking at least once a week hoping to see something but I am wondering if they had any meeting this time. Along with the agenda thing you mentioned, they haven't updated their homepage. It still says the next meeting is Spring 2021.

People misname files all the time, however the Spring 2021 applications link is https://route.transportation.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/50/2021/08/USRN-Applications_Compiled_2021.pdf with no mention of Spring or Fall.
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« Reply #16 on: December 01, 2021, 10:29:46 PM »


People misname files all the time, however the Spring 2021 applications link is https://route.transportation.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/50/2021/08/USRN-Applications_Compiled_2021.pdf with no mention of Spring or Fall.

Unless I'm missing something, it says Spring 2021 on the first page itself (right underneath the AASHTO at the top of the page)

This is the letter they have on the homepage: https://route.transportation.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/50/2021/03/Email-BOD-Solicit-US-Routing-Applications-Spring-Meeting-2021.pdf. It hasn't been updated since the Spring.
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Re: AASHTO Fall 2021 meeting
« Reply #19 on: February 13, 2022, 06:15:19 PM »

As always:
AL US 90 realignment (removal of corner cut at Loxley)
DE US 9 Truck (Georgetown) realignment
IA US 151 Business (Cascade) realignment
MO US 54 Business (Lake Ozark) deletion
MO I-44 Business (Lebanon) deletion - application is missing
NC I-42 - application is missing
NC US 264 Alternate partial deletion, replaced by realigned US 264 (approved!)
OK I-240 extension - application is missing
FL USBR 90 realignment (major change between Tallahassee and Palatka)
MD USBR 1
MI USBR 20 realignment (Midland-Bay City)
OH USBR 21 realignment (minor)

All were approved, except that I-42 and I-240 need FHWA concurrence.
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« Reply #20 on: February 13, 2022, 07:44:14 PM »

What's the typical lag time between AASHTO approval and FHWA concurrence?
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« Reply #21 on: February 14, 2022, 12:01:36 AM »

Depends on if the facility is ready and if the relevant DOT has submitted the proper paperwork to FHWA for review.

AASHTO just gives the route number.  FHWA determines if the facility is up to spec enough to actually add to the system, and has final say-so on if it's added or not.
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« Reply #22 on: February 14, 2022, 12:06:14 AM »

Depends on if the facility is ready and if the relevant DOT has submitted the proper paperwork to FHWA for review.

AASHTO just gives the route number.  FHWA determines if the facility is up to spec enough to actually add to the system, and has final say-so on if it's added or not.
NCDOT already publicized they had gotten federal approval for I-42 on the US 70 Goldsboro Bypass, they have not mentioned the Clayton Bypass as of yet. Don't know whether this means FHWA turned them down or that they haven't gotten around to submitting paperwork for that segment yet.

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Re: AASHTO Fall 2021 meeting
« Reply #23 on: February 14, 2022, 03:23:37 AM »

I had already read Oklahoma wanted to make I-240 into a loop. Although I feel the Kickapoo Turnpike is a bit too far out IMO, it should have gone roughly around Hiawassee Road.
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