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Now all you need is I-69 and US-24.
I haven't seen that it could be anything other than a toll bridge. I don't see where they would get the money otherwise.
Quote from: Life in Paradise on February 05, 2020, 01:04:19 PMI haven't seen that it could be anything other than a toll bridge. I don't see where they would get the money otherwise.IIRC, the concept of the I-69 bridge being anything but a tolled facility was discarded early in the development phase; the realities of the size and scope of the project set in almost immediately. It appears that the current discussions center around what to do with the remaining US 41 crossing(s) and how to still provide local service (and minimizing controversy) but still discourage "shunpiking" of the new I-69 bridge -- in short, let through traffic be subject to tolling, but still provide the free local river crossing long established while making it inconvenient for said through traffic to efficiently utilize the old bridge(s).
Picked up from over at the Kentucky thread.2-1088.20 | C | FY 2022-25 | $267 million: Construct the portion of I-69 Ohio River Bridge project from KY 425/Henderson Bypass to US 60
Quote from: sparker on February 05, 2020, 09:48:35 PMQuote from: Life in Paradise on February 05, 2020, 01:04:19 PMI haven't seen that it could be anything other than a toll bridge. I don't see where they would get the money otherwise.IIRC, the concept of the I-69 bridge being anything but a tolled facility was discarded early in the development phase; the realities of the size and scope of the project set in almost immediately. It appears that the current discussions center around what to do with the remaining US 41 crossing(s) and how to still provide local service (and minimizing controversy) but still discourage "shunpiking" of the new I-69 bridge -- in short, let through traffic be subject to tolling, but still provide the free local river crossing long established while making it inconvenient for said through traffic to efficiently utilize the old bridge(s). The plan for the new Shands Bridge in Florida (which will be tolled), will have an express non-tolled on/off ramp for local traffic only. However, it doesn't have any local river crossing competition for several miles.I think I commented on this before, but have the new Ohio River toll bridge have the same express free on/off ramps, and tear down one of the US-41 spans, preferably the older 1936 one.Capacity will then be spread out over a more reasonable distance where it eliminates the "one or the other" argument.
The last time I read the ORX website (about a month ago), it has already been determined that the older US 41 bridge will stay, and that the newer one will be torn down. Counterintuitive, unless you note they had studied both existing crossings and determined that the long-term maintenance costs were equal for both structures but that the historical value of the newer bridge was negligible. Thus, the 1938 spans will stay and be renovated for 2-way local traffic.
I am sympathetic to keeping older bridges around for historical purposes, but to continue to rely on these as a major arterial is running the risk of 1 New Madrid event that *will* topple them over.
Quote from: edwaleni on March 01, 2020, 02:31:27 PMI am sympathetic to keeping older bridges around for historical purposes, but to continue to rely on these as a major arterial is running the risk of 1 New Madrid event that *will* topple them over.Even a 7.0 or so quake would probably damage those bridges enough to shut them down at least for awhile, let alone a 8.0 New Madrid type event.
Quote from: Life in Paradise on March 01, 2020, 02:57:13 PMQuote from: edwaleni on March 01, 2020, 02:31:27 PMI am sympathetic to keeping older bridges around for historical purposes, but to continue to rely on these as a major arterial is running the risk of 1 New Madrid event that *will* topple them over.Even a 7.0 or so quake would probably damage those bridges enough to shut them down at least for awhile, let alone a 8.0 New Madrid type event.I have a feeling there will be many troubled bridges across SE MO, W KY, SoIL, SW IN, NE AR, etc when the next major New Madrid Quake hitsHopefully I am wrong, tho
I'd expect one or both of the Cairo bridges to be in big trouble.I'm assuming the new one when it gets built will account for such seismic events.
By "New Madrid event", I wasn't thinking a big one necessarily like 1812
Besides the seismic shaking, the ground could very well liquefy, causing the piers and foundations to simply give way or sink.
Quote from: mrose on March 02, 2020, 12:17:46 AMI'd expect one or both of the Cairo bridges to be in big trouble.I'm assuming the new one when it gets built will account for such seismic events.I assume you are referring to the US 60/62/51 Bridges...and not including the I-57 bridge just north of Cairo
Quote from: ilpt4u on March 02, 2020, 12:25:49 AMQuote from: mrose on March 02, 2020, 12:17:46 AMI'd expect one or both of the Cairo bridges to be in big trouble.I'm assuming the new one when it gets built will account for such seismic events.I assume you are referring to the US 60/62/51 Bridges...and not including the I-57 bridge just north of CairoYes, the two US 60 bridges.I know one is supposed to be replaced soon though.
Quote from: mrose on March 03, 2020, 09:50:53 AMQuote from: ilpt4u on March 02, 2020, 12:25:49 AMQuote from: mrose on March 02, 2020, 12:17:46 AMI'd expect one or both of the Cairo bridges to be in big trouble.I'm assuming the new one when it gets built will account for such seismic events.I assume you are referring to the US 60/62/51 Bridges...and not including the I-57 bridge just north of CairoYes, the two US 60 bridges.I know one is supposed to be replaced soon though.There are preliminary discussions on replacing the Ohio River bridge, although I'm not sure which state is taking the lead.