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Bobby5280

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Re: I-69 in TX
« Reply #1625 on: January 05, 2020, 01:10:05 PM »

My point still stands that the US-69 corridor North of Durant to up past Muskogee is losing population. The forces obstructing improvements to the US-69 corridor (residents of Atoka, Stringtown, etc) are not going to live forever. Eventually there will be too few interested parties left to continue the fight to block improvements to US-69.

In all likelihood, if the exodus of youth continues I could see those communities developing a sudden about-face in their attitudes to the US-69 corridor. They could become desperate for anything that could spark economic growth locally. Having an new Interstate, such as an extension of I-45, come through the area would do more to make their towns more visible on a large, national map.

The US-69 corridor is a major trucking route, one even more busy as an Interstate route. McAlester and Muskogee might become more attractive to businesses scouting for distribution center locations if they are along a completed Interstate corridor. Both of those small cities are currently losing population, just like Lawton. It's going to take the addition of good paying jobs, improvements to public schools among other things to attract young working families to those areas or at least retain locals who grow up there. Some of that requires tax dollars to happen. Unfortunately too many in the older set see any taxes as socialism or communism. There are rural towns here where residents have voted against tax measures to help the local school despite the roof at the school leaking and the walls growing black mold. Yet the same no-tax voters get angry when their kids or grandkids move away to the big city. It's hypocrisy.

Residents of many smaller cities and towns just don't realize the uphill battle they're facing at attracting talent. The state can do only so much via tax incentives like mapping out TIF districts in sections of the town. Major employers are just not going to locate there if they feel there is not enough of a workforce there to fill all the job positions.

I think US-69 is eventually going to be converted into a limited access super highway from the Red River to Big Cabin. It's only a question of how many years or decades will pass before then. And then there is also a question as to what form such a finished super highway will take. Will it be a freeway the entire length? Or will it be a mix of long toll roads with short freeway segments (like I-44)?

If the people in Atoka and Stringtown were fighting this battle smarter they might be able to lobby ODOT to convert this corridor into a "free I-45" without toll gates. That would attract more commerce and jobs to the corridor and help prevent those towns from drying up. But if they want to stay the course and let their towns wither, that eventual I-45 (or whatever it is) will bypass their towns in the form of a turnpike with few exits. The only free sections between Durant and Big Cabin will be segments in McAlester and Muskogee.
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Re: I-69 in TX
« Reply #1626 on: January 08, 2020, 06:28:34 PM »

See this thread:
https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=20467.175

for reasons why that won't happen IF the state has to be the driving force for improvements
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Re: I-69 in TX
« Reply #1627 on: January 10, 2020, 07:08:54 PM »

Bids were opened today for 8.29 miles of upgrade southwest of Houston. This is the first section in Wharton County, from the Fort Bend County Line to the north end of the city of Wharton. (Fort Bend county is the first county southwest of Houston, and work is in progress from the Grand Parkway to the Wharton/Fort Bend county line).

The existing facility is mostly 2x2 4-lane divided and generally lacks frontage roads. Frontage roads will be added for most of the length.

The bid works out to $23 million per mile. Looking at the plans, it is 3x3 with 12-foot-wide inner and outer shoulders (122 foot concrete width), built to TxDOT's standard design using a center barrier and no median.
http://www.dot.state.tx.us/insdtdot/orgchart/cmd/cserve/bidtab/01103201.htm

County:   WHARTON   Let Date:   01/10/20
Type:   UPGRADE TO RURAL FREEWAY   Seq No:   3201
Time:   0 X   Project ID:   NH 2020(496)
Highway:   US 59   Contract #:   01203201
Length:   0.000   CCSJ:   0089-08-098
Limits:   
From:   FORT BEND C/L   Check:   $100,000
To:   0.83 MILES SOUTH OF SH 60   Misc Cost:   $1222527.00
Estimate   $195,525,805.90   % Over/Under   Company
Bidder 1   $191,395,295.32   -2.11%   WILLIAMS BROTHERS CONSTRUCTION CO., INC.
Bidder 2   $198,029,850.12   +1.28%   JAMES CONSTRUCTION GROUP, L.L.C.
Bidder 3   $205,280,801.49   +4.99%   ZACHRY CONSTRUCTION CORPORATION
Bidder 4   $210,039,775.48   +7.42%   WEBBER, LLC
Bidder 5   $230,462,130.37   +17.87%   JOHNSON BROS. CORPORATION, A SOUTHLAND COMPANY
« Last Edit: January 10, 2020, 07:27:06 PM by MaxConcrete »
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Re: I-69 in TX
« Reply #1628 on: January 10, 2020, 08:01:59 PM »

Bids were opened today for 8.29 miles of upgrade southwest of Houston. This is the first section in Wharton County, from the Fort Bend County Line to the north end of the city of Wharton. (Fort Bend county is the first county southwest of Houston, and work is in progress from the Grand Parkway to the Wharton/Fort Bend county line).

The existing facility is mostly 2x2 4-lane divided and generally lacks frontage roads. Frontage roads will be added for most of the length.

The bid works out to $23 million per mile. Looking at the plans, it is 3x3 with 12-foot-wide inner and outer shoulders (122 foot concrete width), built to TxDOT's standard design using a center barrier and no median.
http://www.dot.state.tx.us/insdtdot/orgchart/cmd/cserve/bidtab/01103201.htm

County:   WHARTON   Let Date:   01/10/20
Type:   UPGRADE TO RURAL FREEWAY   Seq No:   3201
Time:   0 X   Project ID:   NH 2020(496)
Highway:   US 59   Contract #:   01203201
Length:   0.000   CCSJ:   0089-08-098
Limits:   
From:   FORT BEND C/L   Check:   $100,000
To:   0.83 MILES SOUTH OF SH 60   Misc Cost:   $1222527.00
Estimate   $195,525,805.90   % Over/Under   Company
Bidder 1   $191,395,295.32   -2.11%   WILLIAMS BROTHERS CONSTRUCTION CO., INC.
Bidder 2   $198,029,850.12   +1.28%   JAMES CONSTRUCTION GROUP, L.L.C.
Bidder 3   $205,280,801.49   +4.99%   ZACHRY CONSTRUCTION CORPORATION
Bidder 4   $210,039,775.48   +7.42%   WEBBER, LLC
Bidder 5   $230,462,130.37   +17.87%   JOHNSON BROS. CORPORATION, A SOUTHLAND COMPANY

Nice to see more work continuing to progress on the Houston <-> Corpus Christi segment. Drove through the current segment down to Kendleton currently under construction this past summer, and work was coming along nicely.

I imagine the next piece will be the 14 mile segment from Wharton to the El Campo bypass, which is currently being upgraded to interstate standards. At some point between Wharton and El Campo, the freeway will reduce from 6 lanes to 4 lanes.

Once this segment to Wharton is completed, about 100 miles of continuous I-69 roadway will be completed from Wharton to Cleveland. An additional 147 mile gap will remain from Wharton to I-37 to be completed in the future, though currently exists as a 75 mph expressway without interruption, with the exception of Refugio and Odem on the southern end.
« Last Edit: January 10, 2020, 08:06:06 PM by sprjus4 »
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