Ohio Legislature Mandates Feasibility Study of Future I-73

[vdeane]

US 33 and US 35 as alternate potential Interstate routes to save time cutting over to I-77 (and cost) are realistic alternatives, not fictional, whether bureaucrats have stumbled onto this idea or not.

How realistic something is isn't the determinator of whether something belongs in Fictional.  Whether the idea exists outside of this hobby is.  Now, it's natural that in discussing real things (like the Ohio legislature ordering a study) that we would mention what we'd want, but at this point, it's dominating the thread.

[TempoNick]

O.o

Traffic engineers?  They're working on their active projects.  What a silly question...

So traffic engineers don't spend a lot of their time and meetings discussing these things? If they don't, then maybe they should.

[sprjus4]

US 33 and US 35 as alternate potential Interstate routes to save time cutting over to I-77 (and cost) are realistic alternatives, not fictional, whether bureaucrats have stumbled onto this idea or not.

How realistic something is isn't the determinator of whether something belongs in Fictional.  Whether the idea exists outside of this hobby is.  Now, it's natural that in discussing real things (like the Ohio legislature ordering a study) that we would mention what we'd want, but at this point, it's dominating the thread.

The general idea of the thread is not fictional, the legislature passed a bill requiring the study of constructing an interstate highway south to I-64.

The scope of this discussion has largely focused on constructing a controlled access highway south to I-64. We have suggested alternatives routes to the official proposed one, but the scope of the discussion has stayed within a real-life concept. I-73 is not a fictional proposal.

Now, ideas to extend I-26 via US-23 through VA and KY, are fully fictional and do not belong here.

[sprjus4]

O.o

Traffic engineers?  They're working on their active projects.  What a silly question...

So traffic engineers don't spend a lot of their time and meetings discussing these things? If they don't, then maybe they should.

Traffic engineers working on a specific project to upgrade US-23 to interstate standards, perhaps. Traffic engineers work on the projects they're given. It's not up to them to say hey let's work on this highway. That responsibility is for a transportation planner.

[Rothman]

O.o

Traffic engineers?  They're working on their active projects.  What a silly question...

So traffic engineers don't spend a lot of their time and meetings discussing these things? If they don't, then maybe they should.

Somebody doesn't understand what a traffic engineer acu

O.o

Traffic engineers?  They're working on their active projects.  What a silly question...

So traffic engineers don't spend a lot of their time and meetings discussing these things? If they don't, then maybe they should.

Glad someone else pointed out to you what an engineer actually does...dear heavens...

[Beltway]

Traffic engineers working on a specific project to upgrade US-23 to interstate standards, perhaps. Traffic engineers work on the projects they're given. It's not up to them to say hey let's work on this highway. That responsibility is for a transportation planner.

Design engineers design highway construction projects. The state transportation board decides what will become a project in the first place.

Traffic engineers design traffic control features.

[vdeane]

US 33 and US 35 as alternate potential Interstate routes to save time cutting over to I-77 (and cost) are realistic alternatives, not fictional, whether bureaucrats have stumbled onto this idea or not.

How realistic something is isn't the determinator of whether something belongs in Fictional.  Whether the idea exists outside of this hobby is.  Now, it's natural that in discussing real things (like the Ohio legislature ordering a study) that we would mention what we'd want, but at this point, it's dominating the thread.

The general idea of the thread is not fictional, the legislature passed a bill requiring the study of constructing an interstate highway south to I-64.

The scope of this discussion has largely focused on constructing a controlled access highway south to I-64. We have suggested alternatives routes to the official proposed one, but the scope of the discussion has stayed within a real-life concept. I-73 is not a fictional proposal.

Now, ideas to extend I-26 via US-23 through VA and KY, are fully fictional and do not belong here.

OK, so I didn't notice that the study was actually south and not north with the long, rambley wall of text FIC posted, but still, it stays largely to the Congressionally-designated route, while we're veering into thinks like US 33, US 35, and extending I-26 up US 23.

[FutureInterstateCorridors]

US 33 and US 35 as alternate potential Interstate routes to save time cutting over to I-77 (and cost) are realistic alternatives, not fictional, whether bureaucrats have stumbled onto this idea or not.

How realistic something is isn't the determinator of whether something belongs in Fictional.  Whether the idea exists outside of this hobby is.  Now, it's natural that in discussing real things (like the Ohio legislature ordering a study) that we would mention what we'd want, but at this point, it's dominating the thread.

The general idea of the thread is not fictional, the legislature passed a bill requiring the study of constructing an interstate highway south to I-64.

The scope of this discussion has largely focused on constructing a controlled access highway south to I-64. We have suggested alternatives routes to the official proposed one, but the scope of the discussion has stayed within a real-life concept. I-73 is not a fictional proposal.

Now, ideas to extend I-26 via US-23 through VA and KY, are fully fictional and do not belong here.

Correct, this post was only to inform AAroads.com fans about the Future I-73 Feasibility study approved by the Ohio State Legislature.  All the discussion about U.S. 35, U.S 33, I-26 extension were never relevant.  None of the states bordering Ohio are going to plan, fund, or build Future I-73 and what is actually proposed will be a standalone highway disconnected from I-73 in North Carolina.

[Scott5114]

As they say in football, statistics are for losers.

Why are you on a forum full of people you think are losers, then?

[Rothman]

US 33 and US 35 as alternate potential Interstate routes to save time cutting over to I-77 (and cost) are realistic alternatives, not fictional, whether bureaucrats have stumbled onto this idea or not.

How realistic something is isn't the determinator of whether something belongs in Fictional.  Whether the idea exists outside of this hobby is.  Now, it's natural that in discussing real things (like the Ohio legislature ordering a study) that we would mention what we'd want, but at this point, it's dominating the thread.

The general idea of the thread is not fictional, the legislature passed a bill requiring the study of constructing an interstate highway south to I-64.

The scope of this discussion has largely focused on constructing a controlled access highway south to I-64. We have suggested alternatives routes to the official proposed one, but the scope of the discussion has stayed within a real-life concept. I-73 is not a fictional proposal.

Now, ideas to extend I-26 via US-23 through VA and KY, are fully fictional and do not belong here.

Correct, this post was only to inform AAroads.com fans about the Future I-73 Feasibility study approved by the Ohio State Legislature.  All the discussion about U.S. 35, U.S 33, I-26 extension were never relevant.  None of the states bordering Ohio are going to plan, fund, or build Future I-73 and what is actually proposed will be a standalone highway disconnected from I-73 in North Carolina.

[sprjus4]

Since the scope is strictly US-23 to Portsmouth, and any other discussion regarding other shorter and more improved routes is not permitted here, then I'll say one thing: the project is D.O.A. and not realistic.

[The Ghostbuster]

Upgrading US 23 to freeway standards south of Columbus would require building a few bypasses around towns US 23 still goes through. That being said, I think upgrades to US 23 north of Columbus should be the priority, since I think traffic counts are higher north of Interstate 270 than south of it.

[sprjus4]

Upgrading US 23 to freeway standards south of Columbus would require building a few bypasses around towns US 23 still goes through. That being said, I think upgrades to US 23 north of Columbus should be the priority, since I think traffic counts are higher north of Interstate 270 than south of it.

No major upgrades are needed directly to US-23, all it needs is a new bypass connecting Waldo with I-71.

[TempoNick]

Upgrading US 23 to freeway standards south of Columbus would require building a few bypasses around towns US 23 still goes through. That being said, I think upgrades to US 23 north of Columbus should be the priority, since I think traffic counts are higher north of Interstate 270 than south of it.

Circleville, South Bloomfield and Waverly come to mind, most of the rest of it to 823 should be okay. But this is going to have to be done sooner or later anyway and it will be much easier and cheaper to do it sooner than later.

Put it this way: Columbus has freeway or almost freeway access to each of the neighboring county seats (London, Marysville, Newark and Lancaster) except for Delaware and Circleville. The idea that those two should be excluded is not defensible.

[FutureInterstateCorridors]

Since the scope is strictly US-23 to Portsmouth, and any other discussion regarding other shorter and more improved routes is not permitted here, then I'll say one thing: the project is D.O.A. and not realistic.

Agreed.  The new feasibility study directed by the Ohio Legislature duplicates what ODOT has already done before in the 1990's study and in the "Route 23 Connect" study.  The saying is "Stupid is doing something the same over and over again and expecting different results".  $2M down the drain.  If the Ohio Legislature wants to build Future I-73 in the state, vote to fund the full $6B from the Ohio taxpayers' pocket and ODOT will build it as ordered, and the rest of the nation does not have to waste the nation's taxpayer money.   State funding means no NEPA study, no FHWA approval, and it will be built sooner.  This was like Tennessee that built TN 840 south of Nashville with state funds and applied to get the I-840 number from AASHTO approved.

[TempoNick]

Agreed.  The new feasibility study directed by the Ohio Legislature duplicates what ODOT has already done before in the 1990's study and in the "Route 23 Connect" study.  The saying is "Stupid is doing something the same over and over again and expecting different results".  $2M down the drain.

What's crazy is that anybody would think that a report written a generation ago would still be relevant today and that it would be a "waste of money" to do an updated report. So, a report completed in the 1990's is like something Moses etched in a tablet? Or is it more like res judicata as it applies to the court system?

BTW, who made you people hall monitors? This is the internet and I will talk about what I want. If I want to talk about US 33 as an alternative route from Toledo that will accomplish similar results with a lot less disruption and a lot less cost, I will continue to do so.

And again, the legislature can tell ODOT to "go to hell" any time it chooses. Or it can accomplish the same thing by replacing the people there. (Subject to the Governor's consent, of course.) The legislature is not subordinate to the ODOT.

A return to the old days when Governors Rhodes and Voinovich were running the show is far more preferable to small minded bureaucrats who want to create J-turns and RIRO's everywhere as solutions to long-term problems!

[Scott5114]

BTW, who made you people hall monitors?

In my case, Alex did. He also gave me the ability to delete or move off-topic posts and ban users that make too many of them.

Consider not making me use those abilities.

Let's stay on the topic of only upgrades that are being officially considered by the government of Ohio.

[sprjus4]

BTW, who made you people hall monitors?

In my case, Alex did. He also gave me the ability to delete or move off-topic posts and ban users that make too many of them.

Consider not making me use those abilities.

Let's stay on the topic of only upgrades that are being officially considered by the government of Ohio.

Then there's nothing worthwhile discussing on this thread, because Ohio's official proposal is D.O.A.

But if the rules are going to be strictly enforced that heavily, might as well move this entire thread to fictional highways.

[Rothman]

BTW, who made you people hall monitors?

In my case, Alex did. He also gave me the ability to delete or move off-topic posts and ban users that make too many of them.

Consider not making me use those abilities.

Let's stay on the topic of only upgrades that are being officially considered by the government of Ohio.

Then there's nothing worthwhile discussing on this thread, because Ohio's official proposal is D.O.A.

But if the rules are going to be strictly enforced that heavily, might as well move this entire thread to fictional highways.

I don't see what's so heavy about that.

[sprjus4]

BTW, who made you people hall monitors?

In my case, Alex did. He also gave me the ability to delete or move off-topic posts and ban users that make too many of them.

Consider not making me use those abilities.

Let's stay on the topic of only upgrades that are being officially considered by the government of Ohio.

Then there's nothing worthwhile discussing on this thread, because Ohio's official proposal is D.O.A.

But if the rules are going to be strictly enforced that heavily, might as well move this entire thread to fictional highways.

I don't see what's so heavy about that.

Discussion about utilizing US-35 or US-33 as a routing to I-73, because they're shorter, more improved routes, and with I-73 in West Virginia being virtually canceled, is not unreasonable discussion to be had in a thread about I-73 in Ohio.

But I digress - any talk of I-73 outside of US-23 between Huntington and Toledo is not permitted here. I presume it would also preclude discussion about OH-15 to I-75, because that is not apart of US-23, which the bill mandated, and is off topic.

[TempoNick]

As they say in football, statistics are for losers.

Why are you on a forum full of people you think are losers, then?

You do that big boy. Nothing like errant internet posts being the hill to die on. There are a few things more pressing in life than a bunch of people on the spectrum throwing temper tantrums over what is in an internet thread. We can't have people talking about better, quicker to build and cheaper alternative routes on an I-73 thread!