OpenStreetMap

[MDRoads]

The semicolon is the good separator for concurrency, being it's not used elsewhere.  The only other character I would have suggested would have been the pipe ( | ) to indicate multiple members of a text string, dashes and slashes being used for WV fractionals.  Anything can later be displayed with commas for human text reading.  Any shield rendering system should attempt to move into using the relational tags instead of the ref=* tags on the individual ways.

Risking the ire of the powers that be in Ohio, I tagged some routes with ref="OH xxx" in the southern tip of the state (Lawrence Co.); they render correctly with the Ohio shield once that's done.  Lawrence also had well signed county and township numbers.  MQ still needs to work on Kentucky 4-digit routes (though they've done Louisiana's so they render with no problem), and WV fractionals (render as concurrencies of the two numbers).  In my back yard, someone tagged some unsigned reference routes issued by the state for all county maintained streets as "CO xxx" which is the correct unsigned_ref, but are now rendered as Colorado shields.

I looked at MQ Open today, and saw that in Ohio 1- and 2-digit routes are generic bubbles while 3-digit routes are generic boxes.

That's a combination of the bug treating SR as county and the one showing one- and two-digit county routes in an oval.

[rickmastfan67]

MQ still needs to work on Kentucky 4-digit routes (though they've done Louisiana's so they render with no problem)

I sent them a tweet about that awhile back.  Hopefully they'll fix it soon.

[Bickendan]

How long does it typically take for edits to go live?

[vtk]

The change is in the database immediately.  The visual rendered map you see on osm.org can potentially catch up in a few minutes to hours, though you may need to hard-refresh or clear your browser's cache to notice.  Other services using OSM data may take a little longer before they incorporate the changes into their local copy of the database – minutes to weeks depending on the service – and if they also produce rendered maps, it could be a few days or more before those map tiles get re-rendered.

[NE2]

The visual rendered map you see on osm.org can potentially catch up in a few minutes to hours, though you may need to hard-refresh or clear your browser's cache to notice.

This is true for zoom 13+ (where tertiaries appear).

Other services using OSM data may take a little longer before they incorporate the changes into their local copy of the database – minutes to weeks depending on the service – and if they also produce rendered maps, it could be a few days or more before those map tiles get re-rendered.

For example, MapQuest's rendering still doesn't show Missouri I-49 at zoom 10-, 5 1/2 months after the ways were changed.

[Bickendan]

The edit I made to a street name has already caught up. However, I've been adding in Portland's bus lines, and those haven't shown up on the transport map yet (neither has the street name change). I'm reading that that can take longer to propagate?

[NE2]

The transport map (and cycle map) usually updates once a day.

[NE2]

What the fuck is this shit?
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-us/2013-May/010867.html

[Scott5114]

What the fuck is this shit?
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-us/2013-May/010867.html

It looked as though you're still having the same issues that you were having on Wikipedia. Look, NE2, you're a brilliant researcher and you know a lot about roads in a lot of places–much more than most of the people here, I'd wager. And when you're putting that to work you're a pleasure to work with; you were an incredible help on Wikipedia's Kansas Turnpike article. But when you want to do X and everyone else wants to do Y you seem to have a hard time accepting that and instead of letting it go, you tend to just double down on X and not budge. Trying to reason with a brick wall that insists it's right just pisses people off.

I have no idea what happened on OSM that resulted in you getting banned but judging by the message you linked it sounds as though the same scenario that led up to both of your appearances in front of Wikipedia's ArbCom played itself out again on OSM. If you choose to move on to another crowdsourced project, I think you might want to mull your experiences at Wikipedia and OSM over and see if you can use them as a learning opportunity. Sometimes you need to pick your battles and just let something stupid like turn restrictions go.

[route56]

What the fuck is this shit?

* route56 slaps NE2 with an ASBO

[Brandon]

What the fuck is this shit?
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-us/2013-May/010867.html

Dude, I'm going to give you a few words of advice.  You need to be a bit more diplomatic when dealing with people.  It's something learned, not innate in people.  Sometimes you can be right, but annoy the crap out of people with how you approach them.  Trust me, I know from my own experiences and learned to tone down myself in that regard.  Sometimes, somethings just aren't worth worrying about.

[realjd]

What the fuck is this shit?
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-us/2013-May/010867.html

Clearly the only reasonable response is to open a new account and mass-edit all of the road names in Orlando to be ASCII representations of male genitalia.

[Alps]

What the fuck is this shit?
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-us/2013-May/010867.html

Clearly the only reasonable response is to open a new account and mass-edit all of the road names in Orlando to be ASCII representations of male genitalia.

I live at 10358 ====D Ave.

[NE2]

Looks like two-lane freeways are going to be tagged as trunks instead: http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-us/2013-June/011260.html
Two steps forward, one step back.

[route56]

SPUI, doyamind if I take the lead on this one....

I'm in the epicenter of this because my marking of US 169 between Chanute and Iola (which is a super two with fully-controlled access) as 'Motorway,' while another use marked a similar facility (Chickasaw Turnpike) as "Trunk."

My reply has been posted here:  http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-us/2013-June/011267.html

[NE2]

And then there's this: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/33262935
"This road shouldn't be marked as trunk. It is NOT divided, so please don't change it!"
on a road that has 'freeway entrance' signs at the onramps.

[vdeane]

Next thing you know they'll say the DOT is wrong!

Is this a case of OSM being Euro-centric or are the editors just strange?

[doorknob60]

And then there's this: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/33262935
"This road shouldn't be marked as trunk. It is NOT divided, so please don't change it!"
on a road that has 'freeway entrance' signs at the onramps.

Nobody really knows how to use trunk in the US, so people are bound to get over arguments. In my opinion, that section should certainly be trunk. Look at US-97 between Bend and Redmond, which is currently trunk, and not divided (but is limited access expressway), which I agree with.

[Scott5114]

I think this is just one of the many problems inherent in applying a UK-oriented symbology scheme to other countries. They don't quite match up right.

[vtk]

You can mark me down as agnostic as to whether a fully-grade-separated super-2 should be marked as motorway or trunk.

In Ohio we don't have those anyway. There are several 2-lane undivided expressways ("Ohio super-2") but I am not aware of any that are completely grade separated.  And I'm not likely to make a potentially controversial change of a road's classification outside central Ohio.

[english si]

Is this a case of OSM being Euro-centric or are the editors just strange?

Yes to both, though really UK-centric, rather than Euro-centric.

Though the labels 'trunk and primary' are not really UK-centric - in the UK, you mark primary A roads as 'trunk', whether or not they are trunk (a legal definition, and in Britain refers to those roads which Transport Scotland, Transport Wales, Transport for London and the Highways Agency are responsible for) and the label 'primary' applies to non-primary A roads.

[route56]

I think this is just one of the many problems inherent in applying a UK-oriented symbology scheme to other countries. They don't quite match up right.

OK, here's a question for you: do you think the Chickasaw should be shown as a "Motorway" or "Trunk." US 169 between Chanute and Iola - same question.

The latter, I have marked as "motorway," the former is marked as "trunk"

[doorknob60]

Also, if you guys are ever bored and want to tidy some things up (specifically, lane counts on North American freeways/expressways) take a look at this: http://maproulette.org/

[ChoralScholar]

And then there's this: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/33262935
"This road shouldn't be marked as trunk. It is NOT divided, so please don't change it!"
on a road that has 'freeway entrance' signs at the onramps.

Nobody really knows how to use trunk in the US, so people are bound to get over arguments. In my opinion, that section should certainly be trunk. Look at US-97 between Bend and Redmond, which is currently trunk, and not divided (but is limited access expressway), which I agree with.

US-65 between Conway, AR and Harrison, AR is marked trunk.  It's just a run-of-the-mill 2 and 4 lane non-divided highway.  However, it is the main route of travel for trucks going from Little Rock to Springfield.

[Scott5114]

I think this is just one of the many problems inherent in applying a UK-oriented symbology scheme to other countries. They don't quite match up right.

OK, here's a question for you: do you think the Chickasaw should be shown as a "Motorway" or "Trunk." US 169 between Chanute and Iola - same question.

The latter, I have marked as "motorway," the former is marked as "trunk"

I think it should be marked as "turnpike".

But OSM doesn't have symbology for that, so the developer's faces should be marked with an imprint of a trout.