I-376 to be Extended...Eventually

[PAHighways]

Time to start sending in error reports then with links to my pictures with the new exit numbers. LOL.

Just take them over to the Google office on CMU's campus.

Also, the exit numbers are also still not updated on the original segment of I-376 in Google.

Nor the Parkway North numbers.

[rickmastfan67]

Also, the exit numbers are also still not updated on the original segment of I-376 in Google.

Nor the Parkway North numbers.

SB ONLY, they have updated the following (while the NB numbers haven't changed): 14 > 7; 12 > 5; 11 > 4

Time to start sending in error reports then with links to my pictures with the new exit numbers. LOL.

Just take them over to the Google office on CMU's campus.

Well, I sumbitted one big error report to them with a link to one of my pictures, plus the PDF that PennDOT posted showing the exit number changes from old to new.  Hopefully they can understand it. lol.  Because I recently got back several error reports from them saying:

"The Google Maps problem you reported has been reviewed. We're currently unable to address issues of this type. We will keep your report and hope to do more to improve our map data in future."

And in those reports, I gave them clear info about what is incorrect and what needed to be changed......  Yet several of my other reports had no problems. Sigh.....

[CanesFan27]

WE INTERRUPT THIS THREAD FOR THE FOLLOWING ANNOUNCEMENT

'TO' I-376 shields have replace 'TO' I-279 shields on PA 51 at the Liberty Tunnel interchange. (dramatic pause) and there are still some I-279 (w/Pennslvania) shields along the Blvd. of the Allies Downtown.

You may now resume your normal thread

[mightyace]

I drove past the I-80/PA 60 exit on Christmas Eve going EB.  I do not remember seeing any I-376 signs there yet.

My brother thinks that he saw one on I-80 WB earlier this year.

[rickmastfan67]

Wow, Google MAJOR FAIL:

Hi James,

The Google Maps problem you reported has been reviewed. We're currently unable to address issues of this type. We will keep your report and hope to do more to improve our map data in future.


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Problem ID:

Your report: I see you have updated this from I-279 to I-376. However, you don't have the exit numbers correct anymore. This exit that you have listed as #2 is now #65 (both directions). Here's a link to a picture that I personally took on 08/22/09 of the new number: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v645/rickmastfan67/Interstates/PA/I-376/08-22-09/P1060244s.jpg Here's also a link to a PennDOT PDF file showing all of the new exit numbers for I-376 from I-79 all the way to the Turnpike (I-76) in Monroeville so that all the exit numbers can be corrected at the same time without me sending in several error reports for you guys to deal with. All those new exit numbers are already posted. ftp://ftp.dot.state.pa.us/public/Districts/District11/traffic/I-376_Exits.pdf
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Thanks for your help,
The Google Maps team

[Mr_Northside]

WE INTERRUPT THIS THREAD FOR THE FOLLOWING ANNOUNCEMENT

'TO' I-376 shields have replace 'TO' I-279 shields on PA 51 at the Liberty Tunnel interchange. (dramatic pause) and there are still some I-279 (w/Pennslvania) shields along the Blvd. of the Allies Downtown.

You may now resume your normal thread

The Parkway East has also finally gotten it's new mile-markers.
(Some of them replacing mile markers that were themselves replaced last year (The section rehabbed in 2008))

[vdeane]

Wow, Google MAJOR FAIL:

Hi James,

The Google Maps problem you reported has been reviewed. We're currently unable to address issues of this type. We will keep your report and hope to do more to improve our map data in future.


Report history
Problem ID:

Your report: I see you have updated this from I-279 to I-376. However, you don't have the exit numbers correct anymore. This exit that you have listed as #2 is now #65 (both directions). Here's a link to a picture that I personally took on 08/22/09 of the new number: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v645/rickmastfan67/Interstates/PA/I-376/08-22-09/P1060244s.jpg Here's also a link to a PennDOT PDF file showing all of the new exit numbers for I-376 from I-79 all the way to the Turnpike (I-76) in Monroeville so that all the exit numbers can be corrected at the same time without me sending in several error reports for you guys to deal with. All those new exit numbers are already posted. ftp://ftp.dot.state.pa.us/public/Districts/District11/traffic/I-376_Exits.pdf
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Thanks for your help,
The Google Maps team

Stuff like this is probably why their map data is so bad right now.

[Scott5114]

We could all resubmit the error until they get sick of us...

[rickmastfan67]

I know what you mean.  Honestly, there are a few that they punted back to me that I feel like re-reporting..

[rickmastfan67]

It seems they have finally got around to finish the renumbering on the Parkway West.  Just caught this view on the traffic cams at the I-376/US-22/US-30/PA-60 interchange.

[rickmastfan67]

Wow, Google MAJOR FAIL:

Hi James,

The Google Maps problem you reported has been reviewed. We're currently unable to address issues of this type. We will keep your report and hope to do more to improve our map data in future.


Report history
Problem ID:

Your report: I see you have updated this from I-279 to I-376. However, you don't have the exit numbers correct anymore. This exit that you have listed as #2 is now #65 (both directions). Here's a link to a picture that I personally took on 08/22/09 of the new number: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v645/rickmastfan67/Interstates/PA/I-376/08-22-09/P1060244s.jpg Here's also a link to a PennDOT PDF file showing all of the new exit numbers for I-376 from I-79 all the way to the Turnpike (I-76) in Monroeville so that all the exit numbers can be corrected at the same time without me sending in several error reports for you guys to deal with. All those new exit numbers are already posted. ftp://ftp.dot.state.pa.us/public/Districts/District11/traffic/I-376_Exits.pdf
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Thanks for your help,
The Google Maps team

Stuff like this is probably why their map data is so bad right now.

Well, I've just re-checked Google Maps and they have now updated all of the exit numbers along I-376.    So, it seems they did pay attention to my report, but refused to acknowledge I was correct.

But they are still missing the numbers from Exit #60 to #64A (#64A is shown only going WB).

Also, they have gotten I-279 updated as well.

[Mr_Northside]

Yesterday I had to take a trip up to the Cleveland area for work, and went via I-376 to I-76..
None of the overhead BGS's in Allegheny County (West of I-79) have been modified to show I-376, though there are plenty of ground level shields, and the milemarkers... and the tabs have the new numbers.  Though the stretch between I-79 & PA-60, that never had any exit numbers & tabs, still does not.
(Observation about the new milemarkers - Once you get into Beaver county, the little 376 shields on them become bubble shields, and they don't bother with the ".0" for "whole" miles... which seems odd since it's the same PennDOT district as Allegheny County)

The PTC seems to have yet to do anything concerning the switch.  No new MM's, tabs, or even a single shield.  (And no reference to it on the mainline/76)

[CanesFan27]

Yesterday I had to take a trip up to the Cleveland area for work, and went via I-376 to I-76..
None of the overhead BGS's in Allegheny County (West of I-79) have been modified to show I-376, though there are plenty of ground level shields, and the milemarkers... and the tabs have the new numbers.  Though the stretch between I-79 & PA-60, that never had any exit numbers & tabs, still does not.
(Observation about the new milemarkers - Once you get into Beaver county, the little 376 shields on them become bubble shields, and they don't bother with the ".0" for "whole" miles... which seems odd since it's the same PennDOT district as Allegheny County)

The PTC seems to have yet to do anything concerning the switch.  No new MM's, tabs, or even a single shield.  (And no reference to it on the mainline/76)

Believe it or not around 1996 and 97, the exit gores for the stretch of the parkway between 79 and 60 had exit numbers.  The original Campbells Run Road Exit had either 12 or 13. I may still have a photo of it in some old shoebox somewhere.

By the time I graduated from RMU, the numbered exit gores had been removed from accidents and construction.  But I guess the state had planned to give US 22 from I-79 to the WV line exit numbers but it never went anywhere.

[treichard]

Have PA 760 signs appeared north of I-80?

[PAHighways]

Google has finally acknowledged the extension of I-376.  Coming back from the airport today I noticed the odd lack of exit numbers between 79 and 60 but the 22/30/60 cloverleaf has been changed from 1A/B to 60A/B.

[rickmastfan67]

Google has finally acknowledged the extension of I-376.  Coming back from the airport today I noticed the odd lack of exit numbers between 79 and 60 but the 22/30/60 cloverleaf has been changed from 1A/B to 60A/B.

Mentioned that back on the 2nd.

[Mr_Northside]

They knew the change was coming eventually, you think they'd have provisioned tab space, at least on all the new signs/structures they just put in for the I-279/I-79 missing ramps project.

[rickmastfan67]

They knew the change was coming eventually, you think they'd have provisioned tab space, at least on all the new signs/structures they just put in for the I-279/I-79 missing ramps project.

I know what you mean.  That was just a waste of taxpayer money by not leaving space on the signs they had for US-22/30 (only) for a I-376 shield.

[CanesFan27]

it is entirely possible that the signing plans were done prior to any of these announcements.

[rickmastfan67]

it is entirely possible that the signing plans were done prior to any of these announcements.

If I remember correctly, they knew they were in the future going to change that to I-376 there before they did the signage plans for that interchange.  I could be wrong, but that's how I remember it.

[J N Winkler]

Getting down to specifics:  the ECMS number for the I-79/I-279 missing ramps contract (SR 0079 Section A23) is 26995 and it had its bid opening on August 3, 2006.  According to Kurumi's guide to three-digit interchanges, which is much more specific with regard to dates than the Wikipedia article on I-376, the redesignation was already in the works by 2000 and was formally announced (to I-76 in Beaver County) by Rick Santorum (of "homosexuality is worse than bestiality" fame) in October 2005.  The further extension to I-80 was a later development.

The question, as I understand it, is whether PennDOT erred by failing to take account of the future I-376 redesignation in the signing plans for ECMS 26995.  Based on a quick review of the signing plans (which I downloaded almost a year ago), I would say No.  The plans contain no explicit indication that I-279 would become I-376 at some future point.  On the other hand, the sign panels are all at the correct sizes to accommodate replacement of I-279 shields with I-376 shields.  I am not aware of any text messages which would have had to be changed to longer legends (which would not fit on the sign panels without dropping a few alphabet series) as part of the redesignation.

[CanesFan27]

Your personal views on Rick Santorum aside, there was also doubt on how quickly the US 22/30 and PA 60 parts of what is now I-376 would be upgraded to standards or even allowed.

[J N Winkler]

Yup:  the October 2005 announcement fixed the January 1, 2009 date for I-376, but did not have any details regarding implementation.  So the sign designs for ECMS 26995 needed to cover the possibility that the ex-I-279 portion of what is now I-376 would remain part of I-279 some time after the project was finished.  They also had to leave enough room on the new signs for I-376 shields and destination messages for a changeover to I-376 within the lifetime of the signs.  Even if the sign designers had taken a gamble on early redesignation as I-376, the exit numbers would still have been wrong because they are keyed to the start of the route and that moved between 2005 (when the designs would have had to be finalized) and 2009.

[PAHighways]

Getting down to specifics:  the ECMS number for the I-79/I-279 missing ramps contract (SR 0079 Section A23) is 26995 and it had its bid opening on August 3, 2006.  According to Kurumi's guide to three-digit interchanges, which is much more specific with regard to dates than the Wikipedia article on I-376, the redesignation was already in the works by 2000 and was formally announced (to I-76 in Beaver County) by Rick Santorum (of "homosexuality is worse than bestiality" fame) in October 2005.

According to a site more credible than Wikithevia, the announcement of the extension took place October 17, 2005 but the idea for extending the I-376 designation has been discussed since the late 1990s.

[Scott5114]

According to a site more credible than Wikithevia,

That's uncalled for, Jeff. If you know of any instances of plagiarism by Wikipedia editors, let me know and the offending text or images will be scrubbed and the user dealt with.