Interstate 11

[Alps]

Arizona is becoming more right wing anti-California so I'd expect the state name to disappear soon.

Yeah, this will get you banned.

[agentsteel53]

Arizona is becoming more right wing anti-California so I'd expect the state name to disappear soon.

Yeah, this will get you banned.

the premise is generally true (see: 1080), but the conclusion is iffy at best.  right-wing tends to have a connotation of states' rights, so you'd expect them to prominently feature the state name, even at the expense of the federal designation.  like seen here.



well, shit.

[on_wisconsin]

^
who's idea was that? 

[Bickendan]

o.0

Well, I know of a certain member that would be very excited to see that x.x

[swbrotha100]

Arizona is becoming more right wing anti-California so I'd expect the state name to disappear soon.

Yeah, this will get you banned.

the premise is generally true (see: 1080), but the conclusion is iffy at best.  right-wing tends to have a connotation of states' rights, so you'd expect them to prominently feature the state name, even at the expense of the federal designation.  like seen here.



well, shit.

So where on the 405 (or off the 405) is this particular sign?

[agentsteel53]

So where on the 405 (or off the 405) is this particular sign?

Jefferson Blvd exit.

[Interstate Trav]

Interesting sign design.

[Grzrd]

Q Does NDOT know why I-11 was included with I-69 in the MAP-21 provision that allows interstate signage for disconnected segments of those two interstates?
A We do not.   Most of I-11 will be in AZ.  NV share is only 7 miles.  FHWA and ADOT are driving this project

Why did anyone even bother to include I-11 with I-69 in the provision allowing signage of disconnected segments?

(above quote from Will I-515 Be Renumbered as I-11 ... thread)

I emailed Arizona DOT and asked who bothered to include I-11 with I-69 in the provision allowing signage of disconnected segments.  To make a long story short, a representative called me back today and said that they have no idea who added I-11 to that provision.  They were aware that another MAP-21 provision designated the I-11 corridor, but they had been unaware that this provision exists.

My guess is that there was some sort of overkill from one of the AZ or NV Congressional offices to make sure that I-11 was officially designated as an interstate corridor.

[Bickendan]

While I'm glad the Provision is bringing I-11 to life, this wrinkle's making me raise my eyebrows.

Left hand, meet right hand.

[Rover_0]

==BUMP==

I've emailed AzDOT about I-11 and the two-year Phoenix-Las Vegas feasibility study, and when I asked in the case that I-11 wasn't feasible, they said that some of the variables weren't identified. Granted, I don't know how a Phoenix-Las Vegas Interstate would not be viable when much of US-93 is near-standard, but what other alternatives would there be?

Also, looking at the I-11/Intermountain West Corridor Study page, I find it hard to think that an Interstate could run along US-93 through eastern Nevada. I still think that if I-11 reaches north of Las Vegas, it would go along US-95 and eventually utilize I-580/US-395 to connect to I-80 at Reno.

[albertocsc]

Is any part of future I-11 currently built to full Interstate standards apart from Hoover Dam bypass and I-515?

And is there any freeway that could be used in possible long-term extensions (to Reno, Canada or Mexico)?

[NE2]

Is any part of future I-11 currently built to full Interstate standards apart from Hoover Dam bypass and I-515?

The I-40 overlap. Probably the SR 68 interchange near Kingman.

And is there any freeway that could be used in possible long-term extensions (to Reno, Canada or Mexico)?

I-GOAT.

[myosh_tino]

And is there any freeway that could be used in possible long-term extensions (to Reno, Canada or Mexico)?

A couple of things....

* Bringing I-11 to Mexico is certainly possible but not probable at this point.
* Any kind of extension of I-11 north of I-15 in Las Vegas is purely fictional as traffic counts don't warrant a new freeway connection between Las Vegas and Reno and points north.  Any such discussion should be done in the Fictional Highways board.

I-GOAT.

[swbrotha100]

US 93 meets AZ 68 as a trumpet interchange. Obviously, the I-40 overlap is interstate standard.

There are plans to upgrade the I-40/US 93 interchange in Kingman. Link to site: http://www.azdot.gov/highways/projects/I40_US93_WestKingmanTI/index.asp

Anything else planned for now is just a simple widening of US 93 from I-40 to Wickenburg.
http://www.azdot.gov/highways/projects/US93/Index.asp

I did the drive a few days ago (Phoenix area to Las Vegas). If 93 was made interstate standard, the town of Wikieup would probably have to be bypassed. I believe ADOT would redo the eastern I-40/US 93 interchange (I-40 exit 71). Most of the rest could be built on the exisitng alignment. Maybe some frontage roads for the few businesses between I-40 and the Hoover Dam Bypass.

[Quillz]

So, with I-11 moving closer to reality, will all of US-93 south of Vegas essentially be truncated?

I don't like I-11 at all: what's wrong with US-93? It's been around since 1926 and it's a well known number through the Southwest. I suppose Interstates have a sense of brand name recognition, but renumbering for the sake of renumbering just annoys me. Unless I-11 will be federally funded, I see no reason why US-93 can't just continue to go on existing.

[Rover_0]

So, with I-11 moving closer to reality, will all of US-93 south of Vegas essentially be truncated?

I don't like I-11 at all: what's wrong with US-93? It's been around since 1926 and it's a well known number through the Southwest. I suppose Interstates have a sense of brand name recognition, but renumbering for the sake of renumbering just annoys me. Unless I-11 will be federally funded, I see no reason why US-93 can't just continue to go on existing.

I see your point, as I'd like to see US-93 stay around in some capacity south of Las Vegas, though I feel that an Interstate does (rightfully) bring some "brand recognition" to the route. I feel that this is one place where my "2-tier" Interstate system* would come in handy. Yes, it would bring in I-11 (perhaps renumbering for the sake of renumbering), but it wouldn't be as expensive as trying to upgrade all of US-93 between Las Vegas and Phoenix.

Of course, you could reroute US-93 along NV-319, UT-56, and UT-18 to end at I-15 in St. George. That, or take it south (along WB I-40) from Kingman and then along AZ-95 to I-10 at Quartzite. Outside of those, however, US-93 would probably be truncated to its current junction with I-15.

*Basically, substandard roads, such as substandard expressways, Super-2s, and the occasional Breezewood are part of the lower, 2nd tier.

[Quillz]

Another thought: why not a 3di? There is no rule that 3di's have to be short in nature, they just generally are. But here is an example where a spur 3di could work out perfectly. "515" works perfectly, in that it not only exists, but odd-numbered prefixes are generally used as spurs. Plus, the future I-11 is set to replace I-515 anyway, so why not?

Taking use of an unused 3di would not violate the system. Nor would just leaving US-93 as is. At the very least, why not I-13? At least that makes it closer to I-17...

[kkt]

Another thought: why not a 3di? There is no rule that 3di's have to be short in nature, they just generally are. But here is an example where a spur 3di could work out perfectly. "515" works perfectly, in that it not only exists, but odd-numbered prefixes are generally used as spurs. Plus, the future I-11 is set to replace I-515 anyway, so why not?

Apparently it's some sort of status symbol for a city to be on as many 2dis as possible...

Taking use of an unused 3di would not violate the system. Nor would just leaving US-93 as is. At the very least, why not I-13? At least that makes it closer to I-17...

13 is an unlucky number, and that might make gamblers chose to lose their money in Reno instead.  After all, if they weren't superstitious, they wouldn't be gambling in the first place.

[Quillz]

13 is an unlucky number, and that might make gamblers chose to lose their money in Reno instead.  After all, if they weren't superstitious, they wouldn't be gambling in the first place.

Then they should argue to make it Interstate 7.

[kkt]

13 is an unlucky number, and that might make gamblers chose to lose their money in Reno instead.  After all, if they weren't superstitious, they wouldn't be gambling in the first place.

Then they should argue to make it Interstate 7.

An 11 is as good as a 7 in craps!

[Rover_0]

Of course, this could be a good place for my "Multiples of 100 are Diagonal" idea...here, I-11 could be I-100.

Of course, that's a fictional idea.

[Quillz]

Of course, this could be a good place for my "Multiples of 100 are Diagonal" idea...here, I-11 could be I-100.

Of course, that's a fictional idea.

That could be a good use for the otherwise not-used 100, 200, 300, etc.

[FightingIrish]

And is there any freeway that could be used in possible long-term extensions (to Reno, Canada or Mexico)?

A couple of things....

* Bringing I-11 to Mexico is certainly possible but not probable at this point.
* Any kind of extension of I-11 north of I-15 in Las Vegas is purely fictional as traffic counts don't warrant a new freeway connection between Las Vegas and Reno and points north.  Any such discussion should be done in the Fictional Highways board.

I-GOAT.

I wonder though if an I-11 from Las Vegas to Reno/Carson City would stimulate traffic and development in that corridor (as if the desert really needs that much more development). Reno is a very fast-growing city. Plus, it would give a more direct interstate route from Las Vegas to Northern California (Sacramento, Bay Area, etc.).

[myosh_tino]

Plus, it would give a more direct interstate route from Las Vegas to Northern California (Sacramento, Bay Area, etc.).

Ummm... I don't think so.

As someone who makes that drive from the San Francisco Bay Area to Las Vegas at least once a year, the route you propose is hardly a "direct" route.  The direct route from anywhere in central California is to take either I-5 or CA-99 south to Bakersfield, turn east on CA-58 to Barstow and then head north on I-15 to Las Vegas.  I'll concede that this route is not an all-freeway route but it is the shortest and probably the fastest route even if a freeway is built between Las Vegas and Reno.

[NE2]

Yeah. For that you'd need an Interstate through Yosemite.