Breezewood-type situations

[mightyace]

^^^

Well, you CAN take PA 309 North up to US 22 West and get on that way.  It is a little longer, but it is all freeway.

You can, but signage has you exit the 309 at Tilghman.

Nice to know as I haven't been on  that in ages.

Still, I'd go the way I said and #*$*# the signs.  The signs are there for guidance, they aren't the law.

Hey, if traffic is light, I still take the old I-65 routing along the east side of the downtown loop (current I-24 by LP FIeld) instead of the real I-65 on the west side.

[roadman65]

We all sometimes do not follow the signs.  There are times when we take our own shortcuts too! Plus, I have seen where signs themselves tend to take people the long way as well!

Look at Southbound US 441 at FL 50 in Orlando, FL on strretview.  You will see a sign for I-4 that points South on 441 rather than left on FL 50.  The easiest way there is via 50, especially eastbound.

Then you have further south on US 441 (and US 17 & 92) at FL 482.  You have a TO FL 528 shield pointing EB on 482 when it is only true for EB 528 as for WB it is the most direct, shortest, and toll free by staying straight for another mile.

What about the Garden State Parkway Southbound for US 22 Eastbound in Union, NJ.  The best way is to exit at Vauxhall Road to access it.  Yet the only exit for US 22 is Exit 140A and its for Westbound only!  You have to make a u turn to EB via NJ 82.  By the time you follow the signs through the loop around you lost a lot of unnecessary time and gas (that means money at 3 p;us a gallon) when all you do here is turn left for a quarter mile and just hop on US 22 EB there.

[NE2]

^^^

Well, you CAN take PA 309 North up to US 22 West and get on that way.  It is a little longer, but it is all freeway.

You can, but signage has you exit the 309 at Tilghman.

Nice to know as I haven't been on  that in ages.

Still, I'd go the way I said and #*$*# the signs.  The signs are there for guidance, they aren't the law.

PennDOT's videolog (May 2010) shows tiny signs posted by the Turnpike at both the Tilghman and US 22 gores. Larger green signs do point you down Tilghman.

[msubulldog]

Would US 78 (future I-22) where it crosses the MS/TN border outside of Memphis qualify?

[mightyace]

^^^

I would say no as that's not intended to be the "permanent" solution.

[kphoger]

^^^

I would say no as that's not intended to be the "permanent" solution.

Or an interstate.  A non-freeway highway does not count as having an outlier surface intersection on an otherwise complete freeway.

[agentsteel53]

Or an interstate.  A non-freeway highway does not count as having an outlier surface intersection on an otherwise complete freeway.

I'd consider it a Breezewood if it's pretty blatant - like US-50 having a single traffic light in Placerville on an otherwise continuous freeway segment that is 45 miles to Sacramento and 15 to Pollock Pines.

[kphoger]

But you said it yourself:  'an otherwise continuous freeway segment'.
That section of non-freeway US-78 is 6½ miles long.

[TheStranger]

West Rogers Lane in Lawton, OK is a brief freeway for US 62 on the south edge of Fort Sill, but has a 3/4 mile gap between a conventional interchange with I-44/US 281 and the east end of the limited-access route:

http://maps.google.com/maps?saddr=NW+Rogers+Ln&daddr=NW+Rogers+Ln&hl=en&ll=34.638187,-98.394156&spn=0.024646,0.032616&sll=34.638372,-98.403715&sspn=0.006161,0.008154&geocode=FcSIEAIdBoMi-g%3BFS6IEAIdDrci-g&mra=dme&mrsp=0&sz=17&t=h&z=15

[roadman65]

I know that this does not qualify as one, but if you go from I-287 EB to the SB Hutch in Westchester County, NY; you will encounter a stoplight that regulates traffic between two different ramps.  It is not off freeway, it is not on freeway, but nonetheless a traffic signal encountered going between two different freeways.

[Alps]

I know that this does not qualify as one, but if you go from I-287 EB to the SB Hutch in Westchester County, NY; you will encounter a stoplight that regulates traffic between two different ramps.  It is not off freeway, it is not on freeway, but nonetheless a traffic signal encountered going between two different freeways.

It's more of a "missed connection" situation. At some point NY 17/I-86 will have just one stoplight left on the entire route (if it's not already the case).

[roadman65]

I know that this does not qualify as one, but if you go from I-287 EB to the SB Hutch in Westchester County, NY; you will encounter a stoplight that regulates traffic between two different ramps.  It is not off freeway, it is not on freeway, but nonetheless a traffic signal encountered going between two different freeways.

It's more of a "missed connection" situation. At some point NY 17/I-86 will have just one stoplight left on the entire route (if it's not already the case).

I think it was a way to solve a problem without major construction.  When 287 was built, it did not have much traffic on it compared to today's standards.  You could weave on the 287 service road with ease back then. 

The same for the US 15 freeway in Camp Hill, PA where you have three stoplights with in the cloverleaf interchange with PA 581 going SB.  One light is for NB US 15 to WB PA 581 crossing the SB lanes, the other is for the tight cloverleaf ramp from WB to SB (US 15 that is) that has no area for a proper merge, and the ramp to SB US 15 from EB PA 581 where PennDOT did not want to spend money to add a longer acceleration lane in that rights of way allow for.

[roadman65]

How about the Hutch to I-95 SB and I-278 via Bruckner Boulevard in the Bronx?
Then there is the connection to I-678 to I-495 EB in Flushing, NY and going WB on I-495 to I-678 that uses surface streets.
It used to be a surface street connection between the defunct West Side Highway and the FDR drive in Manhattan, and there still is from the FDR to I-478 (Brooklyn- Battery Tunnel).

[kendancy66]

Having to take Valley Bl to Fremont Ave to Columbia St to Pasadena Ave to connect back to unsigned north end of I-710 at CA-134 and I-210

[TheStranger]

Route 56 at I-15 in San Diego...

http://maps.google.com/maps?q=Ted+Williams+Parkway+%26+Rancho+Carmel+Dr,+San+Diego,+CA&hl=en&ll=32.965251,-117.096255&spn=0.012692,0.014119&sll=32.964387,-117.094753&sspn=0.012692,0.014119&hnear=Rancho+Carmel+Dr+%26+Ted+Williams+Pkwy,+San+Diego,+California+92128&t=h&z=16

Freeway entirely west of I-15, and one more interchange just east of it, but it accesses I-15 via a signalized parclo interchange with two stoplights.

[agentsteel53]

78 at I-5 is similar (traffic light from 78 west to 5 south), though it does not continue as limited-access to the west of 5.

[roadman65]

I-64 to VA 199 near Lightfoot, VA has two freeways interchanging, but one ramp meeting VA 199 at grade there.
I-95 and GA 204 near Savanah, GA has GA 204 begin a short freeway segment to the east of a diamond interchange, where exiting motorists have the ramps from I-95 meeting GA 204 at grade with business driveways near the interchange and the freeway starting a few hundred feet to the east. 

Not exactly  direct freeway to freeway in both cases, but the Breezewood is on the non interstate in both cases.

[Mark68]

At the south end of OR 217, in Tigard, OR, there are direct ramps from SB 217 to SB I-5 & NB I-5 to NB 217, but from SB I-5 to NB 217, one must go thru a light (although a right turn ramp), and from SB 217 to NB I-5, one must go thru 2 lights (although the road continues as Kruse Way, a surface street thru Tigard).

[Bickendan]

At the south end of OR 217, in Tigard, OR, there are direct ramps from SB 217 to SB I-5 & NB I-5 to NB 217, but from SB I-5 to NB 217, one must go thru a light (although a right turn ramp), and from SB 217 to NB I-5, one must go thru 2 lights (although the road continues as Kruse Way, a surface street thru Tigard).

Kruse Way is entirely within Lake Oswego, not Tigard.

[aridawn]

Would A20 E-W count. In the Bedroom Community of Vaudreuil-Dorion, QC just west of Montreal, A20 makes a change from Controlled Access to Arterial  boulavard.  MTQ (Ministry of Transport Quebec) has no plans to correct this gap in the Autoroute System.  There are meny business and homes along this short stretch of road, as well as signalized intersections.

Below is the google maps link to view the section.

http://maps.google.ca/maps?q=Vaudreuil-Dorion,+QC&hl=en&ll=45.377835,-73.994637&spn=0.106834,0.264187&sll=45.38531,-73.950005&sspn=0.10682,0.264187&oq=vaudre&hnear=Vaudreuil-Dorion,+Vaudreuil-Soulanges+Regional+County+Municipality,+Quebec&t=m&z=13

[TheStranger]

In another thread, Kacie Jane posted a link to a conventional road/conventional road interchange in West Nyack, NY...which is not far from this example in Nanuet of two limited-access roads with controlled-access junctions being separated by one intersection:

http://maps.google.com/maps?q=Rose+Rd+%26+New+York+59,+W+Nyack,+NY&hl=en&ll=41.090753,-73.994336&spn=0.010334,0.016694&sll=41.09174,-73.992963&sspn=0.010334,0.016694&hnear=New+York+59+%26+Rose+Rd,+Nanuet,+Rockland,+New+York&t=h&z=16

The distance between the ramps for NY 59/NY 304 and NY 59/Palisades Interstate Parkway is 1/4 mile, divided in half by the no-median-break intersection with Rose Road.

(EDIT: I mistakenly credited kphoger.  Oops, sorry for the confusion)

[kphoger]

In another thread, Kphoger posted a link to a conventional road/conventional road interchange in West Nyack, NY...

I did?  Huh!  I've never heard of West Nyack, NY........  Maybe I need some caffeine...

[leifvanderwall]

The US 23 Standish stub from I-75 to M-13, BL 94 - Exit 33 to Benton Harbor, I-79 termination stub at Erie, PA , The US 31 freeway ending at US 10, and the M-60 freeway from Spring Arbor Rd. to I-94

[1995hoo]

In another thread, Kphoger posted a link to a conventional road/conventional road interchange in West Nyack, NY...

I did?  Huh!  I've never heard of West Nyack, NY........  Maybe I need some caffeine...

It does exist, though. I don't recall the other thread, but maybe you posted a link without referring to the town's name?


Edited to add: It was Kacie Jane who posted it in the other thread, not kphoger.

[agentsteel53]

Edited to add: It was Kacie Jane who posted it in the other thread, not kphoger.

eh, they're probably the same person.  I mean, we all know NE2 and hbelkins are the same person.