NY 17/"I-86"

[webny99]

http://www.nysdot.gov/haleeddy no longer works. Are the project plans posted somewhere? They indicated a preferred alternative.

I've also been wondering if there are any current plans/alternatives for Hale Eddy. I know I saw some at one point, but they were from links upthread that are no longer working.

The NYSDOT Freight Plan Implementation Plan has a few more in the medium/long-term projects table (the ones that aren't funded at this time).  If all of those got done (in however many decades), it would finish I-86 from Hancock east.  I wonder if the NY 17 over Susquehanna River bridge project would take care of whatever is needed between exits 67 and 71.

I see something quite interesting unrelated to Route 17.... "Mid-Hudson Reconstruction and Capacity Improvements from MP
18.0 to 24.0 $300,000,000 NYSTA" . Is the NYSTA widening the thruway betwween Nyack and the Garden State Parkway connector?

Significant bump here and also off-topic, but wow, that is an interesting find, and it does track with a potential widening from the lane drop in Nyack to the GSP, which is sorely needed. Has anyone heard anything more on this?

Also of note in the illustrative (unfunded) projects section:
*I-84 Third Lane from Newburgh-Beacon Bridge to NY Thruway, I-87
*Irondequoit Bay Bridge Replacement (first I've ever heard that mentioned in any official capacity)
*Route 404 Infrastructure Hardening (whatever that means)

[vdeane]

Hopefully, they'll eventually tackle improvements between Exits 79 and 103.

I'm personally hoping for whatever project needs to be done between exits 67 and 71 - the only thing preventing I-86 from being unified through Binghamton.

[dzheng35]

Hopefully, they'll eventually tackle improvements between Exits 79 and 103.

I'm personally hoping for whatever project needs to be done between exits 67 and 71 - the only thing preventing I-86 from being unified through Binghamton.

Didn't they mention some work between the Tioga County line and Binghamton City line involving deficiencies at one point like you also mention on your nysroads website (Even though the section between the Tioga County line and exit 67 is I-86 officially).

[vdeane]

Hopefully, they'll eventually tackle improvements between Exits 79 and 103.

I'm personally hoping for whatever project needs to be done between exits 67 and 71 - the only thing preventing I-86 from being unified through Binghamton.

Didn't they mention some work between the Tioga County line and Binghamton City line involving deficiencies at one point like you also mention on your nysroads website (Even though the section between the Tioga County line and exit 67 is I-86 officially).

I'm not sure what the exact thing was - I based that list off a list that Rothman posted here ages ago (a large part of why I made that page is so I wouldn't lose that list once it inevitably got buried here).

[Rothman]

Hopefully, they'll eventually tackle improvements between Exits 79 and 103.

I'm personally hoping for whatever project needs to be done between exits 67 and 71 - the only thing preventing I-86 from being unified through Binghamton.

Didn't they mention some work between the Tioga County line and Binghamton City line involving deficiencies at one point like you also mention on your nysroads website (Even though the section between the Tioga County line and exit 67 is I-86 officially).

I'm not sure what the exact thing was - I based that list off a list that Rothman posted here ages ago (a large part of why I made that page is so I wouldn't lose that list once it inevitably got buried here).

Yep.  That was a list based off of publicly available information...but it was ages ago and I think even a couple of the projects were completed.

[dzheng35]

Hopefully, they'll eventually tackle improvements between Exits 79 and 103.

I'm personally hoping for whatever project needs to be done between exits 67 and 71 - the only thing preventing I-86 from being unified through Binghamton.

Didn't they mention some work between the Tioga County line and Binghamton City line involving deficiencies at one point like you also mention on your nysroads website (Even though the section between the Tioga County line and exit 67 is I-86 officially).

I'm not sure what the exact thing was - I based that list off a list that Rothman posted here ages ago (a large part of why I made that page is so I wouldn't lose that list once it inevitably got buried here).

Yep.  That was a list based off of publicly available information...but it was ages ago and I think even a couple of the projects were completed.

I don't see frankly what the holdup is there at this point since the completion of the Prospect Mountain interchange years ago.

[Rothman]

Hopefully, they'll eventually tackle improvements between Exits 79 and 103.

I'm personally hoping for whatever project needs to be done between exits 67 and 71 - the only thing preventing I-86 from being unified through Binghamton.

Didn't they mention some work between the Tioga County line and Binghamton City line involving deficiencies at one point like you also mention on your nysroads website (Even though the section between the Tioga County line and exit 67 is I-86 officially).

I'm not sure what the exact thing was - I based that list off a list that Rothman posted here ages ago (a large part of why I made that page is so I wouldn't lose that list once it inevitably got buried here).

Yep.  That was a list based off of publicly available information...but it was ages ago and I think even a couple of the projects were completed.

I don't see frankly what the holdup is there at this point since the completion of the Prospect Mountain interchange years ago.

Well, funding for one.  FHWA requirements for another.  And finally, FHWA being gutted by the current administration (NY Division was cut down to 17 people from 42).

(personal opinion emphasized)

[dzheng35]

I've been thinking about something that DOT could have done to deal with some of the missing exit numbers along the entire corridor. Why couldn't they fill in the missing 55 by calling exit 56 55, 57 56, 58 57, 59 58, and 59A 59. This also eliminates the two 59s. Similarily, why couldn't 87A be 88 to fill in the skipped 88 in the sequentially exit number.

[74/171FAN]

I've been thinking about something that DOT could have done to deal with some of the missing exit numbers along the entire corridor. Why couldn't they fill in the missing 55 by calling exit 56 55, 57 56, 58 57, 59 58, and 59A 59. This also eliminates the two 59s. Similarily, why couldn't 87A be 88 to fill in the skipped 88 in the sequentially exit number.

This sounds like "first-world" sequential exit number problems. 

[The Ghostbuster]

My preference would be to convert the exit numbers to mileage-based. That way we wouldn't have to worry about "missing" exit numbers.

[kphoger]

Just dropping in to mention that, whenever I see this thread title, I read it as "New York 17 inches, Interstate 86 inches".  The only difference is switching two punctuation marks around.

[kalvado]

Just dropping in to mention that, whenever I see this thread title, I read it as "New York 17 inches, Interstate 86 inches".  The only difference is switching two punctuation marks around.

If those were single quotes, that could very well be the difference between 2 lane, no shoulder and  multi-lane with proper shoulders...

[The Ghostbuster]

I don't mind the punctuation marks. The time to remove them will be when the entire NY 17 corridor is Interstate 86 (whatever far away day that finally occurs).

[vdeane]

I've been thinking about something that DOT could have done to deal with some of the missing exit numbers along the entire corridor. Why couldn't they fill in the missing 55 by calling exit 56 55, 57 56, 58 57, 59 58, and 59A 59. This also eliminates the two 59s. Similarily, why couldn't 87A be 88 to fill in the skipped 88 in the sequentially exit number.

I someone mentioning just that as being under consideration when current exit 58 was being built.  Instead, then exit 58 became exit 57 and we're left with what we have now.  I don't know if someone decided renumbering three exits was too much or if the proposal to connect Clemens Center Parkway is only very dormant instead of completely dead, but at least it didn't end up exit 58A.

No idea why exit 87A isn't exit 88.  That's a mystery.

[dzheng35]

After further thought, does anyone think that the remaining issue along the southern tier expressway has to do with the acceleration/deceleration lanes. I've taken exit 70 countless times as that's the exit I would take to get to Binghamton University where I do my studies and look at the lack of deceleration lane here at exit 70: https://www.google.com/maps/@42.1196219,-75.9638811,3a,75y,294.59h,87.3t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1scygx3hJw-AJ05j-tPwzytg!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fcb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile%26w%3D900%26h%3D600%26pitch%3D2.7036107666048963%26panoid%3Dcygx3hJw-AJ05j-tPwzytg%26yaw%3D294.5907244898064!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI1MDcxNi4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D

[vdeane]

Interesting that this thread revived again now.  NYSDOT just announced public meetings for the exits 103/104 and exit 107 projects.

After further thought, does anyone think that the remaining issue along the southern tier expressway has to do with the acceleration/deceleration lanes. I've taken exit 70 countless times as that's the exit I would take to get to Binghamton University where I do my studies and look at the lack of deceleration lane here at exit 70: https://www.google.com/maps/@42.1196219,-75.9638811,3a,75y,294.59h,87.3t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1scygx3hJw-AJ05j-tPwzytg!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fcb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile%26w%3D900%26h%3D600%26pitch%3D2.7036107666048963%26panoid%3Dcygx3hJw-AJ05j-tPwzytg%26yaw%3D294.5907244898064!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI1MDcxNi4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D

Possible, though it's interstate standard east of exit 71, which also lacks them.  The Tioga County project was one lengthening acceleration/deceleration lanes, and an old interchange study had that listed at many locations.

My preference would be to convert the exit numbers to mileage-based. That way we wouldn't have to worry about "missing" exit numbers.

Sure we would, unless they build an exit every mile! 

More seriously, it can happen.  I-890 has exit 4 EB and exits 4B and 4C WB, with no 4A around.  It used to be there, but was renumbered to 4 when EB exit 4B was removed.

[dzheng35]

Interesting that this thread revived again now.  NYSDOT just announced public meetings for the exits 103/104 and exit 107 projects.

After further thought, does anyone think that the remaining issue along the southern tier expressway has to do with the acceleration/deceleration lanes. I've taken exit 70 countless times as that's the exit I would take to get to Binghamton University where I do my studies and look at the lack of deceleration lane here at exit 70: https://www.google.com/maps/@42.1196219,-75.9638811,3a,75y,294.59h,87.3t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1scygx3hJw-AJ05j-tPwzytg!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fcb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile%26w%3D900%26h%3D600%26pitch%3D2.7036107666048963%26panoid%3Dcygx3hJw-AJ05j-tPwzytg%26yaw%3D294.5907244898064!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI1MDcxNi4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D

Possible, though it's interstate standard east of exit 71, which also lacks them.  The Tioga County project was one lengthening acceleration/deceleration lanes, and an old interchange study had that listed at many locations.

Didn't they say exit 67 needed to be enhanced once, at some point years ago? Even though it now serves as the terminus for I-86 nevertheless.