Interstate 95 signing work

[Alps]

what

huh?

It's a highway forum.

You and the other guy know each other? You can both use a clue how to act in an adult forum.

[agentsteel53]

there's a MassRoadFan95 and a massroadpatriot?  are they the same person?

[roadman65]

there's a MassRoadFan95 and a massroadpatriot?  are they the same person?

They are two users with the same modus operandi and we should not differentiate them apart until they prove to us that they are two different people.

[Alps]

there's a MassRoadFan95 and a massroadpatriot?  are they the same person?

They are two users with the same modus operandi and we should not differentiate them apart until they prove to us that they are two different people.

... please don't comment on users making questionably coherent posts

[NE2]

About the sign.

[massroadpatriot]

I'm just here to look at sign porn.

[Alps]

I'm just here to look at sign porn.

ew

[mass_citizen]

the ratio of scroll wheel revolutions to actual words/thoughts on these last few pages is mind numbing   

[Zeffy]

I'm just here to look at sign porn.

Hot.

[massroadpatriot]

Isn't it, Zeffy?


Anyways, I'm done playing. Just post pictures of signs, please? Thank you.

[roadman]

Oh and also there are new ground-mounts on 128 that say "To Boston Logan Airport" with an arrow on the bottom of the sign.

These new signs, which were installed by MassPort's contractor under a MassDOT permit, replace older sign assemblies that were installed about 2000.  The original "Best Route to Logan Airport" signs were smaller three piece assemblies made from sheet aluminum and mounted on square tube posts.  Most of the existing assemblies had lost pieces over the years due to vehicle impact and snowplows.  AFAIK, the new signs are made from extruded aluminum and are mounted on steel beam posts, so they should be much sturdier than the old ones were.

An example of one of these newly installed signs appears in Bob Malme's photo of the new MA 3 south 3/4 mile advance sign on I-93 north in Braintree.  The link can be found in the I-93 Randolph to Boston sign project thread.

[MassRoadFan95]

Oh and also there are new ground-mounts on 128 that say "To Boston Logan Airport" with an arrow on the bottom of the sign.

These new signs, which were installed by MassPort's contractor under a MassDOT permit, replace older sign assemblies that were installed about 2000.  The original "Best Route to Logan Airport" signs were smaller three piece assemblies made from sheet aluminum and mounted on square tube posts.  Most of the existing assemblies had lost pieces over the years due to vehicle impact and snowplows.  AFAIK, the new signs are made from extruded aluminum and are mounted on steel beam posts, so they should be much sturdier than the old ones were.

An example of one of these newly installed signs appears in Bob Malme's photo of the new MA 3 south 3/4 mile advance sign on I-93 north in Braintree.  The link can be found in the I-93 Randolph to Boston sign project thread.

Cool! I didn't know that...... 😊

[bob7374]

I've put up a blog post with photos taken of new signage and construction along I-95 while traveling to NH and back over the past couple days, plus some bonus I-93 and Portsmouth, NH bridge photos. Check it out:
http://surewhynotnow.blogspot.com/2014/03/two-day-drive-along-i-95.html
Here's a preview along I-95 in Newton:

[mass_citizen]

nice photos and pictures as usual. The US 20 mileage does not seem aligned properly with the shield on the Waltham Exits sign. Also the E seems a little too large in proportion to the other letters in EAST.

[PHLBOS]

nice photos and pictures as usual. The US 20 mileage does not seem aligned properly with the shield on the Waltham Exits sign. Also the E seems a little too large in proportion to the other letters in EAST.

I agree that the mileage listing for US 20 East should be postioned a bit higher.  With regards to the large E in relation to the AST for EAST; such is now standard MUTCD practice for signing direction cardinals.

[bob7374]

nice photos and pictures as usual. The US 20 mileage does not seem aligned properly with the shield on the Waltham Exits sign. Also the E seems a little too large in proportion to the other letters in EAST.

I agree that the mileage listing for US 20 East should be postioned a bit higher.  With regards to the large E in relation to the AST for EAST; such is now standard MUTCD practice for signing direction cardinals.

Here's a photo of the sign in question:

[PHLBOS]

Here's a photo of the sign in question:

To tell you the truth, I didn't even notice the additional EAST listings for Trapelo & Totten Pond Roads until you posted the photo here; I only glanced at the photo on your site and assumed the legend matched 100% the previous BGS (which did not include EAST listings for those 2 exits).

It appears that the E-s for all the EAST listings are the same height as the other upper-case texts and it's the AST-s that are smaller in height.

I guess that's one way of doing the taller 1st-letter direction cardinal per MUTCD.

With the above in mind, since Trapelo & Totten Pond Road listings feature EAST listings for the Waltham mileage BGS'; are any of the new exit or ramp BGS' or LGS' that will feature similar?  Traditional MassDPW/Highway/DOT practice has usually been not to do so for unnumbered streets.

[Zeffy]

It appears that the E-s for all the EAST listings are the same height as the other texts and it's the AST-s that are smaller in height.

I guess that's one way of doing the taller 1st-letter direction cardinal per MUTCD.

With the above in mind, since Trapelo & Totten Pond Road listings feature EAST listings for the Waltham mileage BGS'; are any of the new exit or ramp BGS' or LGS' that will feature similar?  Traditional MassDPW/Highway/DOT practice has usually been not to do so for unnumbered streets.

Traditional MUTCD practice mandates that the first letter be 15" Series E while the rest is 12" Series E. This looks more like 16" first letter and 12" rest of the word. I think it would be easier for the Trapelo Rd / Totten Pond Rd legends to just stick an 'E' after the 'Rd' in the same Series EM font used for the legend itself. The US 20 could stay like that, I guess. But I'm unfamiliar with MassDOT signing practices.

[PurdueBill]

Interesting that the T logo is on the Exit 22 sign; didn't they remove it from an I-93 sign in Quincy/Braintree when replacing signs, using worded "MBTA Station" because FHWA prohibits such logos?

[mass_citizen]

this also raises a good point of why bother signing a direction for those two streets at all? at the bottom of the trapelo road ramp heading SB, you can turn East or West.

also the sign doesn't mention the Winter St. exit which for all intensive purposes is totten pond West.

I could understand if they included a control city after the cardinal direction, but for this EXITS sign I think the use of the EAST designation is confusing and misleading since it fails to mention winter st. or the ability to travel trapelo rd West.

[NE2]

this also raises a good point of why bother signing a direction for those two streets at all? at the bottom of the trapelo road ramp heading SB, you can turn East or West.

also the sign doesn't mention the Winter St. exit which for all intensive purposes is totten pond West.

I could understand if they included a control city after the cardinal direction, but for this EXITS sign I think the use of the EAST designation is confusing and misleading since it fails to mention winter st. or the ability to travel trapelo rd West.

How many people who are going to Waltham and don't know exactly where they are going will be turning west off 128? I could see an argument for Winter Street, but Trapelo west serves only houses and a small industrial park.

[PHLBOS]

FWIW, here's the previous WALTHAM EXITS BGS without the extra EAST listings.

this also raises a good point of why bother signing a direction for those two streets at all?

I personally agree.  The new BGS should've just kept the same exact legend as the old BGS it replaced had.

[mass_citizen]

this also raises a good point of why bother signing a direction for those two streets at all? at the bottom of the trapelo road ramp heading SB, you can turn East or West.

also the sign doesn't mention the Winter St. exit which for all intensive purposes is totten pond West.

I could understand if they included a control city after the cardinal direction, but for this EXITS sign I think the use of the EAST designation is confusing and misleading since it fails to mention winter st. or the ability to travel trapelo rd West.

How many people who are going to Waltham and don't know exactly where they are going will be turning west off 128? I could see an argument for Winter Street, but Trapelo west serves only houses and a small industrial park.

understood, but my point was not that they should sign both E and W, but that they should have no direction whatsoever, which as PHLBOS pointed out is the previous legend from the old sign.

[NE2]

understood, but my point was not that they should sign both E and W, but that they should have no direction whatsoever, which as PHLBOS pointed out is the previous legend from the old sign.

My point stands - it helps the unfamiliar traveler to know that he should turn east for most of Waltham.

[PHLBOS]

My point stands - it helps the unfamiliar traveler to know that he should turn east for most of Waltham.

Roadman would likely be the one to confirm whether or not such confusion is actually happening; and if that is the case, why apply the EASTs only on one sign for the unnumbered roads and not at the applicable exits & ramps?

Current LGS' at the end of the single Exit 28 off-ramp (not sure if these have been replaced or updated as of yet) do not do such.

Southbound BGS gantry for Exits 27B-A (not sure if this Exit 27B BGS for Winter St. (Winter St. & Totten Pond Rd. meet at the highway overpass) has yet been replaced), no cardinal directions on either BGS', regardless of vintage.

Wouldn't it make sense to also add direction cardinals (as well as a reference to the 'center' of or downtown Waltham) to the BGS'/LGS' located at the interchanges themselves to be consistent?

That said & IMHO, I have to assume that those additional EAST cardinals for Trapelo & Totten Pond Roads were mistakenly placed (though not wrong) on that BGS unless Roadman chimes in and states otherwise.