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Re: Wisconsin notes
« Reply #2925 on: September 16, 2020, 08:49:01 PM »

Drove the new Waukesha bypass today.  I thought they should have routed US-18 north to the interstate, duplex it with I-94, then exit at Bluemound to resume its route.  WI-318 could have been used for the short stretch between US-18 and WI-59. 

The route US-18 now takes is nonsensical.
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Re: Wisconsin notes
« Reply #2926 on: September 17, 2020, 09:01:41 PM »

I disagree about putting US 18 on Interstate 94. I think putting it on the new and pre-existing Waukesha bypass was the right move. The new bypass helped get me and my mother to her mother's house quicker than the old way we went (of course that was before my grandmother had a stroke, and had to be moved to a nursing home). My only complaint is that I think they shouldn't have decommissioned US 18 through Waukesha until after the West Waukesha Bypass was completed. Instead, US 18 though Waukesha was decommissioned a few years before the West Waukesha Bypass was built, probably around the same time that STH-74 was decommissioned.
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Re: Wisconsin notes
« Reply #2927 on: September 17, 2020, 09:07:44 PM »

But if you want to take US-18 around Waukesha to Bluemound, you would not take the bypass. You would take the route I mention above.
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Re: Wisconsin notes
« Reply #2928 on: September 18, 2020, 10:05:57 PM »

They still use Allenton for WI-33 West at I-41 although an alternative would be Horicon the next town which is incorporated. I find some unincorporated places to be bigger than some incorporated places. Wind Lake in Racine county has a population of 4,000 you can find many incorporated towns much smaller than that over the state.

Wind Lake is an incorporated village.

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Re: Wisconsin notes
« Reply #2929 on: September 18, 2020, 10:06:54 PM »

They still use Allenton for WI-33 West at I-41 although an alternative would be Horicon the next town which is incorporated. I find some unincorporated places to be bigger than some incorporated places. Wind Lake in Racine county has a population of 4,000 you can find many incorporated towns much smaller than that over the state.

But for an unicorp town, Allenton doesn't look like one. It looks like a regular small town with about a dozen streets.
https://www.google.com/maps/@43.4212574,-88.3457859,15z?hl=en

To me, an real unicorp town is more like a crossroads like North Leeds in Columbia County.
https://www.google.com/maps/@43.3309452,-89.3307791,16z?hl=en
I agree but neither was Bancroft it looks like a regular town.
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Re: Wisconsin notes
« Reply #2930 on: September 21, 2020, 02:39:45 AM »

Drove the new Waukesha bypass today.  I thought they should have routed US-18 north to the interstate, duplex it with I-94, then exit at Bluemound to resume its route.  WI-318 could have been used for the short stretch between US-18 and WI-59. 

The route US-18 now takes is nonsensical.

US 18 is used more for local traffic so it makes perfect sense to route it on the Waukesha Bypass. With that logic why have US 18 on Bluemound Rd since itís close to the interstate?

If you want to talk about a nonsensical route US 45 in Fond Du Lac is a complete mess since the reroute. It bypasses southern Fond Du Lac and rejoins its original alignment at the edge of Downtown Fond Du Lac. Hwy V is also used more than US 45 between Kewaskum and Fond Du Lac also making the route even more of a questionable route in the area.
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Re: Wisconsin notes
« Reply #2931 on: September 22, 2020, 11:02:37 PM »

Drove the new Waukesha bypass today.  I thought they should have routed US-18 north to the interstate, duplex it with I-94, then exit at Bluemound to resume its route.  WI-318 could have been used for the short stretch between US-18 and WI-59. 

The route US-18 now takes is nonsensical.

US 18 is used more for local traffic so it makes perfect sense to route it on the Waukesha Bypass. With that logic why have US 18 on Bluemound Rd since itís close to the interstate?

If you want to talk about a nonsensical route US 45 in Fond Du Lac is a complete mess since the reroute. It bypasses southern Fond Du Lac and rejoins its original alignment at the edge of Downtown Fond Du Lac. Hwy V is also used more than US 45 between Kewaskum and Fond Du Lac also making the route even more of a questionable route in the area.
Yeah I always thought that when they rerouted 45 onto the FDL Bypass, the logical thing would be to keep it on 41 until the split in Oshkosh. Have old US 45 become Wis 245 or an extension of Wis 175.
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Re: Wisconsin notes
« Reply #2932 on: September 23, 2020, 09:52:51 AM »

Looks like we are very close to opening the 3rd lane on 39/90 between Janesville and the Rock River.  Traffic is back in their respective carriageways and northbound only needed a yellow stripe on the left when I passed through yesterday.  Crews were busy pulling up the temporary pavement markings from the southbound carriageway and disassembling the temporary concrete barrier from the segment.

Some bridges in the northern part of the larger rebuild appear to be getting a fresh friction coating; including ones that already had one.  Crews on the NB bridge over the Rock River were throwing up a heck of a dust cloud with whatever they were doing.  I thought that bridge was totally done; it looked that way earlier this year.  So I wonder what was up.
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Re: Wisconsin notes
« Reply #2933 on: September 24, 2020, 05:17:54 PM »

They still use Allenton for WI-33 West at I-41 although an alternative would be Horicon the next town which is incorporated. I find some unincorporated places to be bigger than some incorporated places. Wind Lake in Racine county has a population of 4,000 you can find many incorporated towns much smaller than that over the state.

Wind Lake is an incorporated village.

My bad, I was thinking of Wind Point (Racine Suburb).

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Re: Wisconsin notes
« Reply #2934 on: September 25, 2020, 11:13:04 PM »

This has probably already been addressed somewhere on the forum, but what is the point of these concrete overhead sign "poles" that have been popping up along urban stretches of freeway in Wisconsin for the past 10 years or so? Is there enough of a (or any?) design benefit to justify the additional cost as opposed to a traditional overhead sign assembly, or is it solely for aesthetic reasons?
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Re: Wisconsin notes
« Reply #2935 on: September 26, 2020, 08:43:20 AM »

This has probably already been addressed somewhere on the forum, but what is the point of these concrete overhead sign "poles" that have been popping up along urban stretches of freeway in Wisconsin for the past 10 years or so? Is there enough of a (or any?) design benefit to justify the additional cost as opposed to a traditional overhead sign assembly, or is it solely for aesthetic reasons?
There was a "community sensitive" design initiative during Jim Doyle's time as governor.  All projects had to be designed to "blend in".  It was scrapped in 2010.   The I-39/90 widening is the last to require it.
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Re: Wisconsin notes
« Reply #2936 on: September 26, 2020, 11:18:04 PM »

This has probably already been addressed somewhere on the forum, but what is the point of these concrete overhead sign "poles" that have been popping up along urban stretches of freeway in Wisconsin for the past 10 years or so? Is there enough of a (or any?) design benefit to justify the additional cost as opposed to a traditional overhead sign assembly, or is it solely for aesthetic reasons?
These are all over the rebuilt interchanges and freeways in the Milwaukee area, and on I-41/94 south to Illinois. I think they look good, and not boring. Seeing how much work they put into all that reconstruction, why not make it look nice?
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Re: Wisconsin notes
« Reply #2937 on: September 27, 2020, 08:51:50 AM »

Because there is a segment of our society that believes any money spent on aesthetics is a waste. 
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Re: Wisconsin notes
« Reply #2938 on: September 28, 2020, 08:47:16 PM »

Because there is a segment of our society that believes any money spent on aesthetics is a waste.

I guess I represent that segment. I think these brick/concrete sign supports look cool and unique. I also think plain Jane steel monotubes look just fine as well.
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Re: Wisconsin notes
« Reply #2939 on: September 28, 2020, 11:00:40 PM »

This has probably already been addressed somewhere on the forum, but what is the point of these concrete overhead sign "poles" that have been popping up along urban stretches of freeway in Wisconsin for the past 10 years or so? Is there enough of a (or any?) design benefit to justify the additional cost as opposed to a traditional overhead sign assembly, or is it solely for aesthetic reasons?
These are all over the rebuilt interchanges and freeways in the Milwaukee area, and on I-41/94 south to Illinois. I think they look good, and not boring. Seeing how much work they put into all that reconstruction, why not make it look nice?
I think I read somewhere that the 39/90 project will be the last one to feature that.
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Re: Wisconsin notes
« Reply #2940 on: September 28, 2020, 11:05:54 PM »

So why does every 4 way stop intersection have to be a roundabout?
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Re: Wisconsin notes
« Reply #2941 on: September 29, 2020, 08:49:05 AM »

So why does every 4 way stop intersection have to be a roundabout?

They don't.

Why are you so triggered by roundabouts?
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Re: Wisconsin notes
« Reply #2942 on: September 29, 2020, 12:50:38 PM »

So why does every 4 way stop intersection have to be a roundabout?

They don't.

Why are you so triggered by roundabouts?
Because he wants back his good old days of roads when there wasn't so much knowledge ( :rolleyes:) and creativity ( :angry:) around managing and improving traffic flow.
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Re: Wisconsin notes
« Reply #2943 on: September 30, 2020, 03:56:03 PM »

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Re: Wisconsin notes
« Reply #2944 on: September 30, 2020, 04:39:05 PM »

I guess "Southbridge Road" will finally live up to its name.
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Re: Wisconsin notes
« Reply #2945 on: September 30, 2020, 05:33:57 PM »

They should apply a state route number from I-41, across the south crossing, then down Monroe Road (County GV) to WI-172.
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Re: Wisconsin notes
« Reply #2946 on: October 01, 2020, 05:46:27 AM »

They should apply a state route number from I-41, across the south crossing, then down Monroe Road (County GV) to WI-172.

Is 'WI 341' available for reassignment yet?

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Re: Wisconsin notes
« Reply #2947 on: October 01, 2020, 11:39:02 AM »

They should apply a state route number from I-41, across the south crossing, then down Monroe Road (County GV) to WI-172.

Is 'WI 341' available for reassignment yet?

Mike
It hasn't been long since it was decomissioned. Honestly every time I drive through the Stadium Interchange I think of it as the junction between I-94 and WI-341, only to realize that 341 no longer exists.
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Re: Wisconsin notes
« Reply #2948 on: October 01, 2020, 11:56:26 AM »

They should apply a state route number from I-41, across the south crossing, then down Monroe Road (County GV) to WI-172.

Is 'WI 341' available for reassignment yet?

Mike



Radical idea:

**Reroute WI-57 off Green Bay city streets.  Have it follow I-43, then WI-172 to the Monroe Road exit, crossing the south crossing, ending at I-41.
**WI-32 will still exist on the current duplex with WI-57.
**Reroute WI-32 over WI-57's current routing to I-43.
**Decommission WI-57 in the Milwaukee area
**Reroute WI-42 along what is now WI-32 ending at its current intersection with WI-57
**Extend US-151 along WI-42 from Manitowoc to Door County
**Decommission WI-42 between Howards Grove and Manitowoc
**Decommission WI-32 between Howards Grove and I-43 near Cedar Grove.
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Re: Wisconsin notes
« Reply #2949 on: October 01, 2020, 05:04:44 PM »

What would be the exact route of SEWIGuy's proposed state highway addition? Not being from Green Bay, I have no idea where the "South Crossing" is? Also, such a proposal would require an existing state highway segment to be decommissioned, since the state can only have a fixed amount of state highway mileage. That is why US 18 through Waukesha and STH 74 were decommissioned in order for STH 318 and the US 18 portion of the West Waukesha Bypass to come into existence.
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