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Started by Michael in Philly, June 19, 2012, 12:20:57 PM

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cpzilliacus

Quote from: Michael in Philly on July 16, 2012, 12:25:50 PM
Maryland seems to be unaware that there's anything significant on 95 between Baltimore and New York, so it's their karma.  :-P

Years ago, the "control city" for northbound entrance ramps to the JFK Highway section of I-95 in Maryland used to read "N.J. Turnpike."

Quote from: NJRoadfan on July 16, 2012, 07:36:50 PM
I think one mileage sign has Wilmington (the ones near the DE border in Cecil County) and Philadelphia on I-95 in MD the rest list New York City as their most distant point after Maryland destinations. I noticed that last weekend driving back to NJ from NC. Virginia doesn't recognize Philadelphia, Delaware, or Baltimore for that matter. All the pull throughs and distance signs in Northern VA direct drivers to "New York". There is a sign on I-95 north before the beltway that says "USE I-95 to NY - NJ" also.

Philadelphia is also shown on a mileage sign on I-95 just north of the rest area in Howard County (a not-very-legible GSV shot here).
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Don'tKnowYet

I asked a friend of mine at the turnpike and he said that the signs read new york down south in the turnpikes 2 lane section because new york city makes for a wider pull thru sign and it won't fit along side their wide exit direction sign when it implements that large swiggly arrow when the two are placed on the truss together.

He also said that AASHTO requires the "city" to be there.

Up north where the trusses are wider, city will be added.

vdeane

I guess NY has been in violation all these years then... even our control cities for NYC all say New York!
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Beltway

If they don't have enough space to say "New York City", they could say "NY City" ... and it's shorter!!
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empirestate

Quote from: Beltway on July 18, 2012, 01:47:01 PM
If they don't have enough space to say "New York City", they could say "NY City" ... and it's shorter!!

They do sometimes; I believe it's Connecticut that does it that way.

Quote from: Don'tKnowYet on July 17, 2012, 09:37:45 PM
He also said that AASHTO requires the "city" to be there.

They do show it that way on their control cities list; I don't know whether that's meant to officially sanction that version over others. Certainly it does no harm, and may well do some good, to write "New York City" instead of just "New York", but since somebody was asking why you might find the second rather than the first, I was just answering that it could be because "New York" is actually the city's name, so they might have chosen it for that reason.

(Likewise, if you were making a map you wouldn't properly label it as "New York City", and you wouldn't need to for clarity reasons either, since the fact that there's a city symbol with those two words next to it already means you're referring to the city and not the state.)

Alps

Quote from: Don'tKnowYet on July 17, 2012, 09:37:45 PM
He also said that AASHTO requires the "city" to be there.
That's odd, because the official name of the city is New York.

Beltway

Quote from: Steve on July 18, 2012, 06:56:03 PM
Quote from: Don'tKnowYet on July 17, 2012, 09:37:45 PM
He also said that AASHTO requires the "city" to be there.
That's odd, because the official name of the city is New York.

That is true, but it is also the official name of the state.

The city's official website typically refers to it as "New York City" or "City of New York".  See http://www.nyc.gov/

I would think that the label include either "city" or "state" to ensure that it is clear as to which is being referred to.

You could refer specifically to the city by writing the official names of each, "New York, New York".  But it is shorter to write "New York City" or "City of New York". 
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Compulov

Quote from: Beltway on July 18, 2012, 09:44:39 PM
The city's official website typically refers to it as "New York City" or "City of New York".  See http://www.nyc.gov/

I would think that the label include either "city" or "state" to ensure that it is clear as to which is being referred to.

You could refer specifically to the city by writing the official names of each, "New York, New York".  But it is shorter to write "New York City" or "City of New York". 


I'm surprised not more signs just use "NYC". Yes, I know there's a *lot* wrong with that... but if you're travelling on the I-95 system (or getting on at an onramp somewhere) and heading in the general direction of NY, it would be quick and obvious (I think... but I've grown up in NJ, and there's a whole discussion somewhere else about Newark, DE vs. Newark, NJ). Especially if NJDOT can get away with "Philla" and "Penna" on signs...

Beltway

Why not them just spell out "New York City" ?

Some cities just have a long name ... such as ...

Philadelphia
Washington (most signs leave out the "D.C.")
Charlottesville
Chancellorsville
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Alps

Connecticut liked to use N Y City.



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