I-276 in New Jersey?

[Alps]

The NJT has several types of arrows called Turnpike Arrows. They're all disappearing, but you have the squiggle, and the long straight tapered arrow (similar but not to a Type A Extended), and the short straight tapered arrow (sometimes used at entrances). As for the Exit 6 signs, I believe the "TO" is greened over for now.

[akotchi]

The NJT has several types of arrows called Turnpike Arrows. They're all disappearing, but you have the squiggle, and the long straight tapered arrow (similar but not to a Type A Extended), and the short straight tapered arrow (sometimes used at entrances). As for the Exit 6 signs, I believe the "TO" is greened over for now.

Regarding the "TO" banner, you are correct.

[qguy]

So it's called a "Turnpike Arrow?"

[YankeesFan]

now google has I-276 labeled in NJ...

[Michael in Philly]

not that it matters now because of I-95 but why wasn't it designated as I-276? NJ seems like it is so anti-interstate.

Think it was because it had no direct connection to any interstate before the addition of turnpike mileage to I-95 north of Exit 6.

Devil's advocate time: so why wasn't I-276 extended up to Exit 7A to end at I-195? It could even have ended at US 206 at Exit 7, or EVEN 130 at Exit 6A. State line makes less sense than a US or I- highway.

Is there another instance where an Interstate ends at a state line (with no interchange there), whether it becomes an unnumbered road or just downgrades to a state route?

[Michael in Philly]

I guess US-130 doesn't get any love on the new Exit 6 signs, and shouldn't that be a "TO I-276"?

As stated upthread, there IS a "TO" in front of the 276 shield, it was just covered up with the 95 shield.

I still think Baltimore should be the southbound control city for NJ-700. Thats the direction most of the traffic is going anyway. NJDOT just sticks to plain old "Delaware" or "Del Mem Br" on all their signs.

I have never seen Delaware appear as a control city, and all the new signs feature Camden and then Wilmington if they have a control city at all (some of the new pull throughs retained THRU TRAFFIC). I agree that Baltimore would be a better fit since that is where the vast majority of traffic is going, but the NJTA (not NJDOT, btw) is always one to be different.

Maryland seems to be unaware that there's anything significant on 95 between Baltimore and New York, so it's their karma. 

[Beltway]

<<< Maryland seems to be unaware that there's anything significant on 95 between Baltimore and New York, so it's their karma.  >>>

They also post "New York", and not "New York City".  Wonder why, as I-95 specifically goes thru the city itself, not just a corner of the state.

[swbrotha100]

<<< Maryland seems to be unaware that there's anything significant on 95 between Baltimore and New York, so it's their karma.  >>>

They also post "New York", and not "New York City".  Wonder why, as I-95 specifically goes thru the city itself, not just a corner of the state.

I don't think posting "New York" instead of "New York City" is that big a deal. "New York" is/was common on a lot of highways in New Jersey that go to New York City.

I do wonder why Maryland doesn't use "Wilmington" more often as a control city on I-95 NB.

[NJRoadfan]

I do wonder why Maryland doesn't use "Wilmington" more often as a control city on I-95 NB.

I think one mileage sign has Wilmington (the ones near the DE border in Cecil County) and Philadelphia on I-95 in MD the rest list New York City as their most distant point after Maryland destinations. I noticed that last weekend driving back to NJ from NC. Virginia doesn't recognize Philadelphia, Delaware, or Baltimore for that matter. All the pull throughs and distance signs in Northern VA direct drivers to "New York". There is a sign on I-95 north before the beltway that says "USE I-95 to NY - NJ" also.

[Alps]

not that it matters now because of I-95 but why wasn't it designated as I-276? NJ seems like it is so anti-interstate.

Think it was because it had no direct connection to any interstate before the addition of turnpike mileage to I-95 north of Exit 6.

Devil's advocate time: so why wasn't I-276 extended up to Exit 7A to end at I-195? It could even have ended at US 206 at Exit 7, or EVEN 130 at Exit 6A. State line makes less sense than a US or I- highway.

Is there another instance where an Interstate ends at a state line (with no interchange there), whether it becomes an unnumbered road or just downgrades to a state route?

Same state, your city: I-676 NJ ends at the state line, I-676 PA begins at I-95.

[NE2]

I-676 PA begins at I-95.

Depending on which official source you use. SR 0676 != Interstate Traffic Route 676 != FHWA's I-676.

[Alps]

I-676 PA begins at I-95.

Depending on which official source you use. SR 0676 != Interstate Traffic Route 676 != FHWA's I-676.

Right, but there are few enough Interstates ending at (non-international border) state lines that I may as well use any qualification I can find.

[empirestate]

<<< Maryland seems to be unaware that there's anything significant on 95 between Baltimore and New York, so it's their karma.  >>>

They also post "New York", and not "New York City".  Wonder why, as I-95 specifically goes thru the city itself, not just a corner of the state.

Because "New York" is the name of the city.

[Michael in Philly]

not that it matters now because of I-95 but why wasn't it designated as I-276? NJ seems like it is so anti-interstate.

Think it was because it had no direct connection to any interstate before the addition of turnpike mileage to I-95 north of Exit 6.

Devil's advocate time: so why wasn't I-276 extended up to Exit 7A to end at I-195? It could even have ended at US 206 at Exit 7, or EVEN 130 at Exit 6A. State line makes less sense than a US or I- highway.

Is there another instance where an Interstate ends at a state line (with no interchange there), whether it becomes an unnumbered road or just downgrades to a state route?

Same state, your city: I-676 NJ ends at the state line, I-676 PA begins at I-95.

Well, that's just silly.  And contradicted by signage on eastbound Vine, which treats the Ben Franklin as 676/30.  (I know there's a traffic light or so each direction, but the many traffic lights on the Holland Tunnel approach don't prevent people claiming I-78 enters New York.)

[Alps]

not that it matters now because of I-95 but why wasn't it designated as I-276? NJ seems like it is so anti-interstate.

Think it was because it had no direct connection to any interstate before the addition of turnpike mileage to I-95 north of Exit 6.

Devil's advocate time: so why wasn't I-276 extended up to Exit 7A to end at I-195? It could even have ended at US 206 at Exit 7, or EVEN 130 at Exit 6A. State line makes less sense than a US or I- highway.

Is there another instance where an Interstate ends at a state line (with no interchange there), whether it becomes an unnumbered road or just downgrades to a state route?

Same state, your city: I-676 NJ ends at the state line, I-676 PA begins at I-95.

Well, that's just silly.  And contradicted by signage on eastbound Vine, which treats the Ben Franklin as 676/30.  (I know there's a traffic light or so each direction, but the many traffic lights on the Holland Tunnel approach don't prevent people claiming I-78 enters New York.)

It is silly, but that's the way the FHWA defines it for whatever reason. Obviously PennDOT differs, and it makes sense to have continuous signage. FWIW, NJ never used the number 176 for any state route, but used all the others from 151 to 185. I have never seen any support as to why, but my opinion is that it would have made sense to make current 676 NJ into I-176, ending at US 30 before the toll booths, and then PA would have the FHWA definition of 676 to fit perfectly.

[Beltway]

<<< Maryland seems to be unaware that there's anything significant on 95 between Baltimore and New York, so it's their karma.  >>>

They also post "New York", and not "New York City".  Wonder why, as I-95 specifically goes thru the city itself, not just a corner of the state.

Because "New York" is the name of the city.

It is also the name of the state, which is a much larger geographic area than the city.  When posted on a sign several hundred miles away, which one is being referred to?   Why not add "City" or "state" to make it clear?

[deathtopumpkins]

I think one mileage sign has Wilmington (the ones near the DE border in Cecil County) and Philadelphia on I-95 in MD the rest list New York City as their most distant point after Maryland destinations. I noticed that last weekend driving back to NJ from NC. Virginia doesn't recognize Philadelphia, Delaware, or Baltimore for that matter. All the pull throughs and distance signs in Northern VA direct drivers to "New York". There is a sign on I-95 north before the beltway that says "USE I-95 to NY - NJ" also.

You're a bit wrong on this. While the new signs on 95 in NoVA do include New York City, it is always (at least I can't think of an example otherwise) as a SECOND destination below another city (I believe Baltimore), and it is "New York City" not "New York".

Crappy photo turned up in 30 seconds of Googling: http://potomaclocal.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/042511-NYC-road-sign.jpg

[Roadsguy]

<<< Maryland seems to be unaware that there's anything significant on 95 between Baltimore and New York, so it's their karma.  >>>

They also post "New York", and not "New York City".  Wonder why, as I-95 specifically goes thru the city itself, not just a corner of the state.

Because "New York" is the name of the city.

It is also the name of the state, which is a much larger geographic area than the city.  When posted on a sign several hundred miles away, which one is being referred to?   Why not add "City" or "state" to make it clear?

What I want to know is whose idea it was to make the city the same name as the state...

now google has I-276 labeled in NJ...

[empirestate]

<<< Maryland seems to be unaware that there's anything significant on 95 between Baltimore and New York, so it's their karma.  >>>

They also post "New York", and not "New York City".  Wonder why, as I-95 specifically goes thru the city itself, not just a corner of the state.

Because "New York" is the name of the city.

It is also the name of the state, which is a much larger geographic area than the city.  When posted on a sign several hundred miles away, which one is being referred to?   Why not add "City" or "state" to make it clear?

You certainly could, and people do. But since states aren't really supposed to be used as control destinations, there shouldn't be any ambiguity what is meant by "New York". Naturally, of course, there is.

And it should really be "city" rather than "City", since the word doesn't appear in the city's name. Or at least the consistent "City" and "State" (the usual practice). Or for real yuks, change all control destinations to the county of New York.

[qguy]

Or for real yuks, change all control destinations to the county of New York.

Sure, why not? It always works to fool the crooks on Law & Order!

[qguy]

not that it matters now because of I-95 but why wasn't it designated as I-276? NJ seems like it is so anti-interstate.

Think it was because it had no direct connection to any interstate before the addition of turnpike mileage to I-95 north of Exit 6.

Devil's advocate time: so why wasn't I-276 extended up to Exit 7A to end at I-195? It could even have ended at US 206 at Exit 7, or EVEN 130 at Exit 6A. State line makes less sense than a US or I- highway.

Is there another instance where an Interstate ends at a state line (with no interchange there), whether it becomes an unnumbered road or just downgrades to a state route?

Same state, your city: I-676 NJ ends at the state line, I-676 PA begins at I-95.

Well, that's just silly.  And contradicted by signage on eastbound Vine, which treats the Ben Franklin as 676/30.  (I know there's a traffic light or so each direction, but the many traffic lights on the Holland Tunnel approach don't prevent people claiming I-78 enters New York.)

It is silly, but that's the way the FHWA defines it for whatever reason. Obviously PennDOT differs, and it makes sense to have continuous signage. FWIW, NJ never used the number 176 for any state route, but used all the others from 151 to 185. I have never seen any support as to why, but my opinion is that it would have made sense to make current 676 NJ into I-176, ending at US 30 before the toll booths, and then PA would have the FHWA definition of 676 to fit perfectly.

The biggest reason for this is that the only freeway-to-freeway connection between the Ben Franklin Bridge (I-676, at least in NJ) and PA's I-676 is the ramp from the bridge (westbound as it touches down in PA) to eastbound I-676. All other connections require using surface streets.

So not only is the driver forced to use surface streets to continue on I-676, but technically the Ben Franklin Bridge isn't even officially designated I-676 until it crosses the NJ state line in the middle of the Delaware River. Although this second point isn't apparent to the casual observer.

This is why this "connection" is often called "Philadelphia's Breezewood."

[Beltway]

<<< You certainly could, and people do. But since states aren't really supposed to be used as control destinations, there shouldn't be any ambiguity what is meant by "New York". Naturally, of course, there is. >>

Of course, there is, and the public in general doesn't know that.  Witness posted control destinations such as "New England", "Indiana", "Illinois", "Wisconsin", "Iowa", etc.

[TXtoNJ]

not that it matters now because of I-95 but why wasn't it designated as I-276? NJ seems like it is so anti-interstate.

Think it was because it had no direct connection to any interstate before the addition of turnpike mileage to I-95 north of Exit 6.

Devil's advocate time: so why wasn't I-276 extended up to Exit 7A to end at I-195? It could even have ended at US 206 at Exit 7, or EVEN 130 at Exit 6A. State line makes less sense than a US or I- highway.

Is there another instance where an Interstate ends at a state line (with no interchange there), whether it becomes an unnumbered road or just downgrades to a state route?

Same state, your city: I-676 NJ ends at the state line, I-676 PA begins at I-95.

Well, that's just silly.  And contradicted by signage on eastbound Vine, which treats the Ben Franklin as 676/30.  (I know there's a traffic light or so each direction, but the many traffic lights on the Holland Tunnel approach don't prevent people claiming I-78 enters New York.)

It is silly, but that's the way the FHWA defines it for whatever reason. Obviously PennDOT differs, and it makes sense to have continuous signage. FWIW, NJ never used the number 176 for any state route, but used all the others from 151 to 185. I have never seen any support as to why, but my opinion is that it would have made sense to make current 676 NJ into I-176, ending at US 30 before the toll booths, and then PA would have the FHWA definition of 676 to fit perfectly.

The biggest reason for this is that the only freeway-to-freeway connection between the Ben Franklin Bridge (I-676, at least in NJ) and PA's I-676 is the ramp from the bridge (westbound as it touches down in PA) to eastbound I-676. All other connections require using surface streets.

So not only is the driver forced to use surface streets to continue on I-676, but technically the Ben Franklin Bridge isn't even officially designated I-676 until it crosses the NJ state line in the middle of the Delaware River. Although this second point isn't apparent to the casual observer.

This is why this "connection" is often called "Philadelphia's Breezewood."

I like to see I-676 PA and I-676 NJ as two separate highways that are signed together merely for convenience's sake.

[Compulov]

<<< You certainly could, and people do. But since states aren't really supposed to be used as control destinations, there shouldn't be any ambiguity what is meant by "New York". Naturally, of course, there is. >>

Of course, there is, and the public in general doesn't know that.  Witness posted control destinations such as "New England", "Indiana", "Illinois", "Wisconsin", "Iowa", etc.

Penna? Shore Points?

As a kid I always thought there was a town named "Shore Points" which I-195 through Jersey ran to.

[PHLBOS]

not that it matters now because of I-95 but why wasn't it designated as I-276? NJ seems like it is so anti-interstate.

Think it was because it had no direct connection to any interstate before the addition of turnpike mileage to I-95 north of Exit 6.

Devil's advocate time: so why wasn't I-276 extended up to Exit 7A to end at I-195? It could even have ended at US 206 at Exit 7, or EVEN 130 at Exit 6A. State line makes less sense than a US or I- highway.

Is there another instance where an Interstate ends at a state line (with no interchange there), whether it becomes an unnumbered road or just downgrades to a state route?

Same state, your city: I-676 NJ ends at the state line, I-676 PA begins at I-95.

Well, that's just silly.  And contradicted by signage on eastbound Vine, which treats the Ben Franklin as 676/30.  (I know there's a traffic light or so each direction, but the many traffic lights on the Holland Tunnel approach don't prevent people claiming I-78 enters New York.)

It is silly, but that's the way the FHWA defines it for whatever reason. Obviously PennDOT differs, and it makes sense to have continuous signage. FWIW, NJ never used the number 176 for any state route, but used all the others from 151 to 185. I have never seen any support as to why, but my opinion is that it would have made sense to make current 676 NJ into I-176, ending at US 30 before the toll booths, and then PA would have the FHWA definition of 676 to fit perfectly.

The biggest reason for this is that the only freeway-to-freeway connection between the Ben Franklin Bridge (I-676, at least in NJ) and PA's I-676 is the ramp from the bridge (westbound as it touches down in PA) to eastbound I-676. All other connections require using surface streets.

So not only is the driver forced to use surface streets to continue on I-676, but technically the Ben Franklin Bridge isn't even officially designated I-676 until it crosses the NJ state line in the middle of the Delaware River. Although this second point isn't apparent to the casual observer.

This is why this "connection" is often called "Philadelphia's Breezewood."

Not to hijack this thread but, it is also worth noting and to keep in mind that prior to 1973-74, the I-76 and 676 designations between 30th St. Station and Gloucester City, NJ were the reverse of what's there now.  So, at one time, I-676 indeed was a continuous freeway from end-to-end.  The reasoning behind the number swap was probably due to the fact that construction of the eastern half of the Vine Expressway (which originally included direct connections to/from the Ben Franklin Bridge as well as direct connection from I-95 to the bridge) was hopelessly delayed at the time.

In both PennDOT's & NJDOT's minds, it was likely viewed that it was better to have the parent highway (I-76) aligned on an already-completed highway and that the newer highway (if built - ultimately the Vine Expressway) receive the child designation of I-676.