Poor Sign Placement

[roadfro]

http://goo.gl/maps/ewg7u

I want to say poor sign placement here because I think the ground mounted sign should be placed on the gantry if possible, or on a gantry further ahead. It could be a little difficult to see also; drivers are focused on the gantry, not the ground sign.

It would belong a little further downstream of the gantry. It's not vital information to have here at the decision point.

[roadman65]

Not exactly poor sign placement or enough to lose sleep over, but I somehow think that the STOP sign should be closer to the intersection. 

Also to place the shields and the STOP sign at the same place, although maybe effective to do so as seeing the STOP sign will automatically let you see the shields, is kind of strange.

Anyway the STOP sign is a little too far away from the intersection as many of us normally treat them as yields and if any of us do come to a complete stop as the original law states, then its usually at the intersection proper where the best view of other traffic is.

[amroad17]

https://www.google.com/maps/@32.546873,-92.637736,3a,75y,90t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1snZcmMdACZ_plLYjWSA1GaA!2e0

Almost too little too late. 

Like the old Bill Cosby joke from the mid 1960's...

My friend and I are driving around town.  I see a sign. I ask, "What does the sign say?"
He says, "The sign says DIP."
BLAM!!!

[cjk374]

Not exactly poor sign placement or enough to lose sleep over, but I somehow think that the STOP sign should be closer to the intersection.

I have seen a few intersections with this placement of the stop sign so far away from the intersection.  One of them here in my hometown is about as far from the intersection as the one in the picture: https://www.google.com/maps/@32.529457,-92.776863,3a,75y,209.7h,83.83t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1s1CkasZY_UTE1ZNkVb97OUQ!2e0
But the reason for it here is because of a corner parking lot.  So LaDOTD put a stop sign on the left side closer to the intersection.

Also to place the shields and the STOP sign at the same place, although maybe effective to do so as seeing the STOP sign will automatically let you see the shields, is kind of strange.

This has been SOP in Louisiana for as long as I can remember.  To not have the shields with the stop sign would be considered a strange sight.

[roadman65]

Interesting that that type of sign placement is normal in LA.  I guess you can say that is the state um trademark like VA with its shield confirmation on top of a mileage sign.

However the STOP on the other side and that one not across from its counterpart is strange especially with no stop bar either.   Not poor as the OP, but just unusual some.

[cjk374]

Here is the streetview of the intersection in roadman's picture above looking in the opposite direction, so you can see just how far from the intersection is from the stop sign: https://www.google.com/maps/@29.372275,-90.713062,3a,75y,180h,90t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1suqg9j0ITMTDXcjZofCrD8A!2e0

As far as stop bars go...you will see them more in urban settings than rural.

[roadman65]

Here is another Junction shield along LA 1 in Napoleanville, LA that is placed a little too far off the main road.  This one, as you can see is visible, but look at the car coming out of Washington Street.  Its hood is in front of the sign.  Then look at the sidewalk in front of Ace Hardware.  See how much open space the shield could be placed.  Supposing that car is a truck, then that sign would be blocked totally.

Shields should be in the cone of view of the driver and not off to the edge of it or in peripheral vision area like this sign, I would conclude, is on the line of those two definitions.

[cjk374]

I see it is actually placed in front of the stop sign.  I also see more dirt & grass behind the stop sign that the junction sign could be stuck in to put it closer to the road.

[SignGeek101]

I don't know if I can post this here (I don't know if it counts), but I've never seen an exit tab on the side of the sign before:

http://goo.gl/maps/aGKrL

[Bruce]

At a light rail station's only entrance, there's this sign:


SODO Station entrance by SounderBruce, on Flickr

Is there a MUTCD-compliant workaround to specify that pedestrians are prohibited on one side and not the other?

[Ian]

Is there a MUTCD-compliant workaround to specify that pedestrians are prohibited on one side and not the other?

My solution would be to install a downward left pointing arrow beneath the sign.

[HTM Duke]

A two-shot here, on the ramp from Maine Ave SW to the 14th St Bridge:

This I-395 south sign is posted too far back.  Once you see it, it's too late to make a decision which way to go.
https://www.google.com/maps/@38.883831,-77.032634,3a,30.3y,309.2h,83.79t/data=!3m5!1e1!3m3!1sKuBZ_cm0SEgX7qPLGwy9NA!2e0!5s20140801T000000

And just before the ramp enters a tunnel, this low clearance sign pops up, with no way out.
https://www.google.com/maps/@38.884497,-77.032514,3a,49.2y,41.6h,83.58t/data=!3m5!1e1!3m3!1sMcxrhDwhYu0gy9yf54ILpQ!2e0!5s20140801T000000

[roadman65]

https://www.google.com/maps/@40.170062,-74.108051,3a,75y,267.54h,93.57t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1suUayWGXPVgHKbAnCLCY-ow!2e0!6m1!1e1
Look at where NJDOT places the mileage sign for I-195 Westbound.  Sorry I cannot get the sign in clearer, but the Ryder Truck that the Google was passing at the time of the caption made closeups impossible.

Anyway, it should be beyond the ramp merging in ahead and be at a better location that is much safer to the drivers.  Most places install the mileage signs post interchange at a nice open straight away if possible or usually where the driver gets comfortable with his new surroundings so to speak.  Here the sign crew just got careless and did not even think about where they were placing the sign.

[national highway 1]

This lane allocation sign isn't positioned directly over the lane it's pointing to.

[SignGeek101]

This lane allocation sign isn't positioned directly over the lane it's pointing to.

Maybe a dancing arrow will suffice, if Australia uses those. I know I haven't seen any here in Canada.

[cbeach40]

I don't know if I can post this here (I don't know if it counts), but I've never seen an exit tab on the side of the sign before:

http://goo.gl/maps/aGKrL

It would fit the standard for a cantilevered overhead sign support. Typically it's done as a single piece sign (comme ça: https://goo.gl/maps/wNxtC ) but in this case they went with a tab.
The variation stems from no being able to place the tab on top due to the aerodynamic damper up there.

[SignGeek101]

I don't know if I can post this here (I don't know if it counts), but I've never seen an exit tab on the side of the sign before:

http://goo.gl/maps/aGKrL

It would fit the standard for a cantilevered overhead sign support. Typically it's done as a single piece sign (comme ça: https://goo.gl/maps/wNxtC ) but in this case they went with a tab.
The variation stems from not being able to place the tab on top due to the aerodynamic damper up there.

I thought it had something to do with that.

When did Ontario start doing the "Caltrans exit tab style" (as seen here: http://goo.gl/maps/45t74)? I think it looks really neat.

[sammi]

When did Ontario start doing the "Caltrans exit tab style" (as seen here: http://goo.gl/maps/45t74)? I think it looks really neat.

I think it's an isolated case. I've only seen one other instance up north on the 404.

[SignGeek101]

When did Ontario start doing the "Caltrans exit tab style" (as seen here: http://goo.gl/maps/45t74)? I think it looks really neat.

I think it's an isolated case. I've only seen one other instance up north on the 404.

I've seen quite a few of them. I don't remember them when I lived in Hamilton from 2003-2010, but I wasn't a signgeek then.

https://goo.gl/maps/EBZbE

http://goo.gl/maps/mmmXE (doesn't work)

http://goo.gl/maps/OzGVe (doesn't work)

Again, I like them. With me being a bit of a critic of Ontario signs (even though I do like them!), it's nice to see Ontario do something that I don't have to scratch my head about (like Helvetica directional tabs).

Edit: Updated links

[jakeroot]

When did Ontario start doing the "Caltrans exit tab style" (as seen here: http://goo.gl/maps/45t74)? I think it looks really neat.

I think it's an isolated case. I've only seen one other instance up north on the 404.

I've seen quite a few of them. I don't remember them when I lived in Hamilton from 2003-2010, but I wasn't a signgeek then.

http://goo.gl/maps/ZxbKK

http://goo.gl/maps/mmmXE

http://goo.gl/maps/OzGVe

Again, I like them. With me being a bit of a critic of Ontario signs (even though I do like them!), it's nice to see Ontario do something that I don't have to scratch my head about (like Helvetica directional tabs).

Why do all of your links open with My Places? Is this the only way to load the old Maps?

[SignGeek101]

When did Ontario start doing the "Caltrans exit tab style" (as seen here: http://goo.gl/maps/45t74)? I think it looks really neat.

I think it's an isolated case. I've only seen one other instance up north on the 404.

I've seen quite a few of them. I don't remember them when I lived in Hamilton from 2003-2010, but I wasn't a signgeek then.

http://goo.gl/maps/ZxbKK

http://goo.gl/maps/mmmXE

http://goo.gl/maps/OzGVe

Again, I like them. With me being a bit of a critic of Ontario signs (even though I do like them!), it's nice to see Ontario do something that I don't have to scratch my head about (like Helvetica directional tabs).

Why do all of your links open with My Places? Is this the only way to load the old Maps?

Yup, Classic maps no longer works. My places is the only way to open Maps in the classic format.

[jakeroot]

When did Ontario start doing the "Caltrans exit tab style" (as seen here: http://goo.gl/maps/45t74)? I think it looks really neat.

I think it's an isolated case. I've only seen one other instance up north on the 404.

I've seen quite a few of them. I don't remember them when I lived in Hamilton from 2003-2010, but I wasn't a signgeek then.

http://goo.gl/maps/ZxbKK

http://goo.gl/maps/mmmXE

http://goo.gl/maps/OzGVe

Again, I like them. With me being a bit of a critic of Ontario signs (even though I do like them!), it's nice to see Ontario do something that I don't have to scratch my head about (like Helvetica directional tabs).

Why do all of your links open with My Places? Is this the only way to load the old Maps?

Yup, Classic maps no longer works. My places is the only way to open Maps in the classic format.

Not sure if this gif is relevant, but I wanted to use it:

[SignGeek101]

Brand new highway means brand new mess ups.



https://goo.gl/maps/kFLEc

EDIT: This has since been corrected:

https://goo.gl/maps/r2JW0

[national highway 1]

https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=4045.msg2072374#msg2072374

Credit to Rover_0.

[roadman]

Poor placement on the Zakim bridge in Boston.

http://www.universalhub.com/2015/escher-would-have-liked-underside-zakim#comment-451509