CA 905 now open and complete in San Diego

[ARMOURERERIC]

http://www.cbs8.com/story/19145773/sr-905-opens-connects-805-to-otay-mesa-border

[agentsteel53]

why wasn't the 125 connection ever built?

[JustDrive]

Financial issues, I think.  There's also one more interchange that has yet to be built at Heritage Road.

[agentsteel53]

I remember the 125 freeway ran out of money because no one wanted to use it.  I'm pretty damn sure that the freeway would have been a lot more useful if it, you know, connected to something at its south end!

[Alps]

The 125 connection looked like there was construction afoot, but that didn't involve the freeway extension, just the 905 terminus. Someone local to San Diego should go take a look, Jake.

[agentsteel53]

The 125 connection looked like there was construction afoot, but that didn't involve the freeway extension, just the 905 terminus. Someone local to San Diego should go take a look, Jake.

as of mid-June, when I last used the Otay Mesa crossing, the way from 125 to the border was confusing enough during the day, and terrible coming back at night.  even with a GPS, we took two wrong turns trying to get between 905 and 125.

I will be down there this Saturday and have an update.

[Alps]

The 125 connection looked like there was construction afoot, but that didn't involve the freeway extension, just the 905 terminus. Someone local to San Diego should go take a look, Jake.

as of mid-June, when I last used the Otay Mesa crossing, the way from 125 to the border was confusing enough during the day, and terrible coming back at night.  even with a GPS, we took two wrong turns trying to get between 905 and 125.

I will be down there this Saturday and have an update.

I'm mostly curious as to whether there are ghost ramps or grading, or any other indication at 905 that 125 is supposed to tie in there. I don't see why there wouldn't be, for eventually accepting an extended 125 freeway as a separate project. Maybe you can answer that with information you already have.

[ARMOURERERIC]

My understanding is that the 125 ramps will be part of the CA 11 toll road project and their expense will be covered by the tolls.  I saw diagrams of the interchange, very complex, essentially the mainline of 125 will turn 90 degrees to the east and become the mainline of 11 while remaining in the median of 905, you can immagine the ramps complexity from there.

[Alps]

My understanding is that the 125 ramps will be part of the CA 11 toll road project and their expense will be covered by the tolls.  I saw diagrams of the interchange, very complex, essentially the mainline of 125 will turn 90 degrees to the east and become the mainline of 11 while remaining in the median of 905, you can immagine the ramps complexity from there.

I fail to see two things:
1) Is the median of 905 really built wide enough for that? I find it hard to believe that they'll have to rip up a brand new road for an interchange. Or will 905 be in the median of 125-11?
2) Where could 11 possibly run as a toll road that doesn't hemorrhage money?

[agentsteel53]

I can't imagine that.  why are there three route numbers for what is essentially served by two segments?

also, I'm not an expert at interchange design but ... wouldn't something like this suffice? 



I know I blew away several connections to surface streets, but I figure they can be put in somewhere.  that land there is very wide open.  we're not talking about demolishing San Francisco here.

[TheStranger]

I can't imagine that.  why are there three route numbers for what is essentially served by two segments?

Looking at Cahighways...

The north-south segment of 905 used to be part of 125 until 1986 (back when 905 was state route 117 and not proposed Interstate 905).  I wonder if that southernmost part of what was 125 was added to the 905 route definition to accelerate its construction progress, though certainly it still was another 26 years before it was completed.

[OCGuy81]

Time to get those I-905 shields up, right? 

I'll have to drive down there and check it out. I'll see if I can post some pictures afterwards.  Thanks for the update.

[Bickendan]

I wouldn't be surprised if I-905 shields won't go up until I-210's interchange with I-215's finished.

[Stephane Dumas]

I'm mostly curious as to whether there are ghost ramps or grading, or any other indication at 905 that 125 is supposed to tie in there. I don't see why there wouldn't be, for eventually accepting an extended 125 freeway as a separate project. Maybe you can answer that with information you already have.

There might be the following provisions for it with a viaduct more larger then planned and this stub ramp
http://goo.gl/maps/U28sB
http://goo.gl/maps/0YHnY

[agentsteel53]

anyone?  Bueller?  I surely can't be the first to have thought of that interchange design.  it seems like the obvious solution to me...

[NE2]

Well, um, that is basically what's planned... http://www.dot.ca.gov/dist11/departments/planning/pdfs/systplan/26-TransportationBorderCongestionReliefProgramApplicationSR905125InterchangeOtayMesaPOE.pdf

[agentsteel53]

Well, um, that is basically what's planned... http://www.dot.ca.gov/dist11/departments/planning/pdfs/systplan/26-TransportationBorderCongestionReliefProgramApplicationSR905125InterchangeOtayMesaPOE.pdf

that doesn't look that complicated at all. 

but, again, why three numbers to serve two segments?  11 looks like it could be a continuation of 905, while the Otay Mesa crossing could be 125 from the beginning.

[NE2]

Historic inertia. SR 11 was only defined in 1994, but SR 905 has existed since 1972 (as SR 117 until 1986). Apparently FHWA approved I-905 in 1984, and rerouting it to use SR 11 would require a resubmission.

I'm not sure which is expected to carry more traffic. SR 11 will probably connect seamlessly with the freeway network east of Tijuana, while SR 905 will serve Tijuana itself better.

[TheStranger]

but, again, why three numbers to serve two segments?  11 looks like it could be a continuation of 905, while the Otay Mesa crossing could be 125 from the beginning.

As I mentioned earlier, the Otay Mesa crossing was originally planned as 125...still not sure why the change happened.
https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=7358.msg164976#msg164976

[Interstatefan78]

Well, um, that is basically what's planned... http://www.dot.ca.gov/dist11/departments/planning/pdfs/systplan/26-TransportationBorderCongestionReliefProgramApplicationSR905125InterchangeOtayMesaPOE.pdf

that doesn't look that complicated at all. 

but, again, why three numbers to serve two segments?  11 looks like it could be a continuation of 905, while the Otay Mesa crossing could be 125 from the beginning.

I would say even the traffic reporters in the San Diego area will have some problems in the Otay Mesa neighborhood and there is a chance that they will mistook the CA-11 for an Eastern Extension of CA-905, but the easy way for Caltrans is to extend the 905 designaton up to the new east Otay Mesa border crossing, and the 125 will use the current Otay Mesa border crossing and hopefully this will make the Otay Mesa area as having two freeways up to the Border Crossings.

[Henry]

Time to get those I-905 shields up, right? 

I'll have to drive down there and check it out. I'll see if I can post some pictures afterwards.  Thanks for the update.

I wouldn't be surprised if I-905 shields won't go up until I-210's interchange with I-215's finished.

And then, the only I-x05 left in CA would be I-705. And seeing that said number is used in Tacoma, I-5 would be the first N-S route to have at least one route using all numbers from 1 to 9 as their prefix! (I-80 and I-90 already share that honor, and they're E-W.)

[agentsteel53]

(I-80 and I-90 already share that honor, and they're E-W.)

I-90 even has them all used up in one single state: New York.  especially impressive given that the road does not hit the by-far largest city in that state. 

[vdeane]

On the other hand, I-90 does hit the other large cities state.  There's also how the 2dis are arranged.  With the exceptions of I-781 and I-587, every 3di in NY north of I-84 intersects I-90.  In fact, with the exception of I-781, all 3dis in upstate NY intersect the Thruway!  This even holds for every definition of upstate NY that I've ever heard of, because the only interstates in the state that don't follow this observation are in NYC  and Long Island.

[agentsteel53]

On the other hand, I-90 does hit the other large cities state.

yep, it misses #1 and #4 (Yonkers, which can be argued to be part of #1), and hits #2, #3, #5, #6.

but what a difference between #1 and the rest!

[Bigmikelakers]

Has there ever been talks of a westward 905 extension for a western border crossing? I think that would make a nice connection to the MX-1D coastal route to bypass Central Tijuana.