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Re: Illinois notes
« Reply #1750 on: March 17, 2020, 05:00:20 PM »

^

As far as providing for the future, if a rail line is abandoned during planning or construction, the approach has usually been to not build the bridge. On I-55 at the south end of Dwight, the old GM&O branch to Lacon and Washington was removed before I-55 went in and the highway remained at level. However, at Pontiac the old N&W between Fairbury and Streator wasn't quite abandoned and a bridge was designed, but the state was already moving dirt to accommodate the bridge. The abandonment came, and the embankment was already there, so they just filled in the space at the abandoned tracks where the bridge would have gone. One of my former co-workers named it "Mt. Livingston" in honor of Livingston County, and it stands today as a big hump in the road.

Lol, you're right.  There's nothing down there.

I think the mound in question is the one closer to the IL 23 interchange.

The SB I-55 bridge over the old railroad grade north of IL 116 was removed last year - and is already captured by Google Streetview.  The northbound one will likely disappear this year.

EDIT:  As to the bridge on I-55 in Lincoln:  While I could see Lincoln wanting to put a road under there, unless Lincoln really starts booming, I would question whether another cross interstate route would be warranted given the proximity of the 1250th Avenue overpass 1350 feet to the east.  Given the old railroad ROW appears relatively intact, maybe Lincoln is planning on a future bike trail?
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Re: Illinois notes
« Reply #1751 on: March 17, 2020, 05:07:25 PM »

I present Mt Livingston.

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Re: Illinois notes
« Reply #1752 on: March 17, 2020, 05:26:33 PM »

^

As far as providing for the future, if a rail line is abandoned during planning or construction, the approach has usually been to not build the bridge. On I-55 at the south end of Dwight, the old GM&O branch to Lacon and Washington was removed before I-55 went in and the highway remained at level. However, at Pontiac the old N&W between Fairbury and Streator wasn't quite abandoned and a bridge was designed, but the state was already moving dirt to accommodate the bridge. The abandonment came, and the embankment was already there, so they just filled in the space at the abandoned tracks where the bridge would have gone. One of my former co-workers named it "Mt. Livingston" in honor of Livingston County, and it stands today as a big hump in the road.

Lol, you're right.  There's nothing down there.

I think the mound in question is the one closer to the IL 23 interchange.

The SB I-55 bridge over the old railroad grade north of IL 116 was removed last year - and is already captured by Google Streetview.  The northbound one will likely disappear this year.

EDIT:  As to the bridge on I-55 in Lincoln:  While I could see Lincoln wanting to put a road under there, unless Lincoln really starts booming, I would question whether another cross interstate route would be warranted given the proximity of the 1250th Avenue overpass 1350 feet to the east.  Given the old railroad ROW appears relatively intact, maybe Lincoln is planning on a future bike trail?

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And it appears in the strategic plan for Lincoln, it will be a bike trail. So the bridge will stay.

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Re: Illinois notes
« Reply #1753 on: March 18, 2020, 02:58:12 PM »

Not gonna lie, IDOT should take advantage of less people on the road and do some repairs along the network, pending of course people are healthy
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Re: Illinois notes
« Reply #1754 on: March 19, 2020, 07:57:58 PM »

Not gonna lie, IDOT should take advantage of less people on the road and do some repairs along the network, pending of course people are healthy

I have very mixed feelings on this. Part of me thinks that the state should be setting an example and keeping the workers home to be sure. With that, if they ever wanted to a time to pick up some ground on the Circle/Burne Interchange, this would be the time they could do it. Again, I am for safety first, and that should continue to be the priority whatever would be decided.
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Re: Illinois notes
« Reply #1755 on: March 19, 2020, 10:23:58 PM »

The SB I-55 bridge over the old railroad grade north of IL 116 was removed last year - and is already captured by Google Streetview.  The northbound one will likely disappear this year.

That was the old Illinois Central branch from Pontiac to Minonk Junction, removed in the late 70s, where it joined the old IC "Gruber Line" from Centralia to Freeport, removed in the mid 80s. And if you go out of Street View to the aerial, you will see two end sections (one on the east side and one on the west) and a grate in the median (for ventilation?), for a tunnel to carry a future trail underneath when both bridges are filled in. For a trail crossing underneath, that's a long way to go in dark conditions, if it's not lighted.  Pontiac's trail plan shows a look through the barrel of the new trail crossing on p. 5.

https://www.pontiac.org/DocumentCenter/View/2116/Trails-Master-Plan-
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Re: Illinois notes
« Reply #1756 on: March 21, 2020, 09:16:11 AM »

Not gonna lie, IDOT should take advantage of less people on the road and do some repairs along the network, pending of course people are healthy

I have very mixed feelings on this. Part of me thinks that the state should be setting an example and keeping the workers home to be sure. With that, if they ever wanted to a time to pick up some ground on the Circle/Burne Interchange, this would be the time they could do it. Again, I am for safety first, and that should continue to be the priority whatever would be decided.

They probably won't... but they probably should. They'll never get a chance like this again. Also, if more people still get paid, it helps keep the economy from completely collapsing.
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Re: Illinois notes
« Reply #1757 on: March 22, 2020, 11:12:09 AM »

Not gonna lie, IDOT should take advantage of less people on the road and do some repairs along the network, pending of course people are healthy

I have very mixed feelings on this. Part of me thinks that the state should be setting an example and keeping the workers home to be sure. With that, if they ever wanted to a time to pick up some ground on the Circle/Burne Interchange, this would be the time they could do it. Again, I am for safety first, and that should continue to be the priority whatever would be decided.

They probably won't... but they probably should. They'll never get a chance like this again. Also, if more people still get paid, it helps keep the economy from completely collapsing.

This would be quite the opportunity, for instance, to completely shut down the Burne/Circle and get as much done as they can. They could easily move the schedule back forward by maybe even a year if they really got to it. Also, finish the work on the Kennedy on the NW Side. Again, I say this with the consideration of worker safety first, but doing something like this could easily add some temporary and much needed jobs to infrastructure, something that I would consider essential, especially to keep the supply lines running.
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Re: Illinois notes
« Reply #1758 on: March 22, 2020, 01:06:50 PM »

^ There may be issues with the Illinois Procurement Code and the Standard Specs which limit opportunities for such changes.  Plus going through other bureaucracy such as the IDOT Detour Committee.
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Re: Illinois notes
« Reply #1759 on: March 25, 2020, 11:04:44 AM »

The SB I-55 bridge over the old railroad grade north of IL 116 was removed last year - and is already captured by Google Streetview.  The northbound one will likely disappear this year.

That was the old Illinois Central branch from Pontiac to Minonk Junction, removed in the late 70s, where it joined the old IC "Gruber Line" from Centralia to Freeport, removed in the mid 80s. And if you go out of Street View to the aerial, you will see two end sections (one on the east side and one on the west) and a grate in the median (for ventilation?), for a tunnel to carry a future trail underneath when both bridges are filled in. For a trail crossing underneath, that's a long way to go in dark conditions, if it's not lighted.  Pontiac's trail plan shows a look through the barrel of the new trail crossing on p. 5.

https://www.pontiac.org/DocumentCenter/View/2116/Trails-Master-Plan-

Man, when I first saw that, I thought of the start of "Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix" where Harry and Dudley were attacked by dementors.  If it isn't well-lit, no one will use it.
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Re: Illinois notes
« Reply #1760 on: March 25, 2020, 08:17:06 PM »

The SB I-55 bridge over the old railroad grade north of IL 116 was removed last year - and is already captured by Google Streetview.  The northbound one will likely disappear this year.

That was the old Illinois Central branch from Pontiac to Minonk Junction, removed in the late 70s, where it joined the old IC "Gruber Line" from Centralia to Freeport, removed in the mid 80s. And if you go out of Street View to the aerial, you will see two end sections (one on the east side and one on the west) and a grate in the median (for ventilation?), for a tunnel to carry a future trail underneath when both bridges are filled in. For a trail crossing underneath, that's a long way to go in dark conditions, if it's not lighted.  Pontiac's trail plan shows a look through the barrel of the new trail crossing on p. 5.

https://www.pontiac.org/DocumentCenter/View/2116/Trails-Master-Plan-

Man, when I first saw that, I thought of the start of "Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix" where Harry and Dudley were attacked by dementors.  If it isn't well-lit, no one will use it.
Iíve never done this, but from what Iíve read and heard, the Abandoned PA Turnpike Tunnels are not lit, and people use them for biking and walking/jogging
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Re: Illinois notes
« Reply #1761 on: March 26, 2020, 05:32:12 AM »

Iíve never done this, but from what Iíve read and heard, the Abandoned PA Turnpike Tunnels are not lit, and people use them for biking and walking/jogging
They probably carry a special flashlight for that purpose.
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Re: Illinois notes
« Reply #1762 on: March 26, 2020, 05:13:12 PM »

Iíve never done this, but from what Iíve read and heard, the Abandoned PA Turnpike Tunnels are not lit, and people use them for biking and walking/jogging
They probably carry a special flashlight for that purpose.

They're supposed to make that section of the turnpike a bike trail at some point.
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