NJ 444: Garden State Parkway?

[Alps]

Hey in Florida we have a secret SR 91 designation for the FL Turnpike from Golden Glades to its northern terminus and SR 821 along the Homestead Extension, though both routes are signed as one whole mainline turnpike with one exiting number scheme.

It is mentioned on some maps, spite it is not signed.  Even some google and yahoo directions list it in the travel plans and not at all mention the FL Turnpike.  At least with the GSP it is kept secret so no confusion is created as Steve says.

The designations for Florida's Turnpike are actually posted on its website, so they aren't so secret.  http://www.floridasturnpike.com/about_system.cfm

Out in the field, though, is another story. 

Doesn't "S.R. 91" appear on traffic signals at some entrances/

[roadman65]

Hey in Florida we have a secret SR 91 designation for the FL Turnpike from Golden Glades to its northern terminus and SR 821 along the Homestead Extension, though both routes are signed as one whole mainline turnpike with one exiting number scheme.

It is mentioned on some maps, spite it is not signed.  Even some google and yahoo directions list it in the travel plans and not at all mention the FL Turnpike.  At least with the GSP it is kept secret so no confusion is created as Steve says.

The designations for Florida's Turnpike are actually posted on its website, so they aren't so secret.  http://www.floridasturnpike.com/about_system.cfm

Out in the field, though, is another story. 

Doesn't "S.R. 91" appear on traffic signals at some entrances/

Not in the Orlando area.  Although, there are no signals at entrances (except for FL 50 at Oakland) because all have complete grade seperations.  The Exit 272 (Oakland Exchange) has had construction due to the Turnpike widening with new signals.  I do not know what is on those, but originally I have not seen SR 91 or the sort.

[NE2]

Kissimmee-St. Cloud isn't in the Orlando area?

[roadman65]

Kissimmee-St. Cloud isn't in the Orlando area?

I guess you can say it is.  I have not been down that way in a while, so I kind of forgot that one.

[roadman65]

I noticed that the GSP Mile Marker 124 is located south of Exit 123 adjacent to the Cheesequake Service Area. 

Also, Exit 135 in Clark is located just south of Mile Marker 136 (it is located at the north end of the interchange), as I seen from living in Clark Township years ago. 

I was wondering why the mile posts and exit numbers are off by one mile? 

[dgolub]

Not every ramp.  The Grand Street/Montgomery Street/Columbus Drive on ramp does not have any I-78 shields.  The Liberty State Park entrance has them beyond the tolls, but I do not think it is mentioned on the park road approaching the Exit 14B Interchange.

It's not just ramps.  The Holland Tunnel approach on the New Jersey side doesn't have I-78 posted on it (although the New York approach does).  They may have done this so as not to have to emphasize that they routed an interstate along local streets with traffic lights in Jersey City.

[D-Dey65]

The New York State Parkways are fine just the way they are.

That "TSP" shield is plenty good enough, even though it has a "secret" route number (according to Steve Anderson). Added advantage to the shields on the parkways - they help to distinguish the parkways from general-purpose NYSDOT highways.

The so-called "secret route number" Steve refers to is simply the reference route numbers. Most parkways in New York have them, although Arden Valley Road and Tiorati Brook Drive don't.
http://www.empirestateroads.com/sr/

Every now and then FDOT will have some sign announcing a construction project, and it will include the "secret route" of US Roads, and yes the Turnpike. Places like that are where you're more likely to see SR 91 associated with the Turnpike.

[roadman65]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1aqE44i7xWY

If anyone wants to see what the newly opened (or I should say a few years opened now) NB Raritan River Bridge that holds the record now of being the widest highway bridge in the world, here is a video caption of it that I took last Summer.

[Roadsguy]

Is that where it's eight lanes in each direction?

I always thought that was really cool.

[roadman65]

Anyone have photos of the newly configurated Exit 67?  I see it was made split SB for the two directions of CR 534 and access to and from the south are finally made as for years it was a typical Parkway interchange lacking all movements.

I am curious to know if Chatsworth is listed as control city for WB CR 534 for the NB GSP, as it is served by NJ 72 at Exit 63, and heading West on 534 will only lead you back onto NJ 72 anyway.  There are plenty of towns along US 9 that engineers of the NJTA would find more interesting knowing how they think.  The GSP always had in some cases where both control points on an exit guide were in the same direction off the exit.  Little Egg Harbor, one of the two SB control cities on the Exit 58 guide is used along with Tuckerton where both are SB on CR 539 once off the exit, is one that is still in use that is along that criteria.

I was just curious as no one yet posted post 63 to 80 widening photos or has it been captured by GSV either.

[NE2]

a typical Parkway interchange lacking all movements.

Sounds like an Alanland parkway.

[Roadgeek999]

I was just curious as no one yet posted post 63 to 80 widening photos or has it been captured by GSV either.

I'm not sure that project has started yet.  I know that when I drove to AC around Labor Day, construction between 40-something and 63 was well underway.

[jeffandnicole]

They are widening the road from North to South, and a good amount of the widening between 63 & 80 is complete or near completion.

Why haven't pictures been posted? Well, forgive me for saying it, but I don't think the majority of this project is really interesting, picture-wise. It's a 3 lane highway, bordered with trees.  Interchanges are conventional ramps as well.  Not exactly unique features to ohhh and ahhh over..

[Mr. Matté]

I was just curious as no one yet posted post 63 to 80 widening photos or has it been captured by GSV either.

JFG(E)I

[Alps]

They are widening the road from North to South, and a good amount of the widening between 63 & 80 is complete or near completion.

Why haven't pictures been posted? Well, forgive me for saying it, but I don't think the majority of this project is really interesting, picture-wise. It's a 3 lane highway, bordered with trees.  Interchanges are conventional ramps as well.  Not exactly unique features to ohhh and ahhh over..

I have photos of the ongoing widening from 48-63 (and spots from 30-48) sitting in my queue. I just have a long queue.

[roadman65]

They are widening the road from North to South, and a good amount of the widening between 63 & 80 is complete or near completion.

Why haven't pictures been posted? Well, forgive me for saying it, but I don't think the majority of this project is really interesting, picture-wise. It's a 3 lane highway, bordered with trees.  Interchanges are conventional ramps as well.  Not exactly unique features to ohhh and ahhh over..

I have photos of the ongoing widening from 48-63 (and spots from 30-48) sitting in my queue. I just have a long queue.

I know.  You told me that anyone submitting to your photos today, would have to wait years before you even look at them.  I was noticing photos that I took years ago on your site.  One of them, I had no idea I was the photographer until I saw my name credited.  Like you said a few months ago, you finally came across some submissions of mine from 09.

I know it is a lot of work to maintain a site, though its worth the wait in the end.

[NJRoadfan]

Anyone have photos of the newly configurated Exit 67?  I see it was made split SB for the two directions of CR 534 and access to and from the south are finally made as for years it was a typical Parkway interchange lacking all movements.

I am curious to know if Chatsworth is listed as control city for WB CR 534 for the NB GSP, as it is served by NJ 72 at Exit 63, and heading West on 534 will only lead you back onto NJ 72 anyway.  There are plenty of towns along US 9 that engineers of the NJTA would find more interesting knowing how they think.  The GSP always had in some cases where both control points on an exit guide were in the same direction off the exit.  Little Egg Harbor, one of the two SB control cities on the Exit 58 guide is used along with Tuckerton where both are SB on CR 539 once off the exit, is one that is still in use that is along that criteria.

I was just curious as no one yet posted post 63 to 80 widening photos or has it been captured by GSV either.

There are videos on YouTube by "roadwaywiz". Exit 67 (CR-554) is signed for Pemberton and Barnegat southbound and just Barnegat northbound. The westbound control city for NJ-72 at Exit 63 was changed from Camden to Pemberton. It seems the signing standards are now calling for "true" control cities (in this case the actual terminus of NJ-72, which is in Woodland Twp. but a stone's throw from Pemberton) vs. useful distant ones like Camden. NJ-70 which leads directly to Camden is where NJ-72 ends, and traffic to/from the area to LBI would actually recognize it, unlike Pemberton.

[roadman65]

Anyone have photos of the newly configurated Exit 67?  I see it was made split SB for the two directions of CR 534 and access to and from the south are finally made as for years it was a typical Parkway interchange lacking all movements.

I am curious to know if Chatsworth is listed as control city for WB CR 534 for the NB GSP, as it is served by NJ 72 at Exit 63, and heading West on 534 will only lead you back onto NJ 72 anyway.  There are plenty of towns along US 9 that engineers of the NJTA would find more interesting knowing how they think.  The GSP always had in some cases where both control points on an exit guide were in the same direction off the exit.  Little Egg Harbor, one of the two SB control cities on the Exit 58 guide is used along with Tuckerton where both are SB on CR 539 once off the exit, is one that is still in use that is along that criteria.

I was just curious as no one yet posted post 63 to 80 widening photos or has it been captured by GSV either.

There are videos on YouTube by "roadwaywiz". Exit 67 (CR-554) is signed for Pemberton and Barnegat southbound and just Barnegat northbound. The westbound control city for NJ-72 at Exit 63 was changed from Camden to Pemberton. It seems the signing standards are now calling for "true" control cities (in this case the actual terminus of NJ-72, which is in Woodland Twp. but a stone's throw from Pemberton) vs. useful distant ones like Camden. NJ-70 which leads directly to Camden is where NJ-72 ends, and traffic to/from the area to LBI would actually recognize it, unlike Pemberton.

That is crazy.  Most people would rather see Camden than Pemberton, like you say.  Does that mean in Florida Orlando cannot be used anymore for FL 520 on the Space Coast because it ends at FL 50 several miles before?  Does that mean that Orlando has to be removed from FL 405 from US 1 near Titusville, because FL 405 makes a loop back to US 1 in Downtown Titusville and the fact many tourists in the area are better off with FL 50 to Orlando, especially those visiting KSC?

[bzakharin]

Is this only for state routes or do Interstates and other roads need to follow this too? Does the NJ Turnpike need to be signed to Carneys Point instead of Wilmington (and wherever it ends Northbound approaching the George Washington Bridge)? Does I295 have to sign Hamilton instead of Trenton?

[roadman65]

Is this only for state routes or do Interstates and other roads need to follow this too? Does the NJ Turnpike need to be signed to Carneys Point instead of Wilmington (and wherever it ends Northbound approaching the George Washington Bridge)? Does I295 have to sign Hamilton instead of Trenton?

Its Lawrenceville where I-295 ends not Hamilton.  Also, the southbound mileage signs lists Pennsville as a control city already as that is where it ends officially in New Jersey.

[jwolfer]

Anyone have photos of the newly configurated Exit 67?  I see it was made split SB for the two directions of CR 534 and access to and from the south are finally made as for years it was a typical Parkway interchange lacking all movements.

I am curious to know if Chatsworth is listed as control city for WB CR 534 for the NB GSP, as it is served by NJ 72 at Exit 63, and heading West on 534 will only lead you back onto NJ 72 anyway.  There are plenty of towns along US 9 that engineers of the NJTA would find more interesting knowing how they think.  The GSP always had in some cases where both control points on an exit guide were in the same direction off the exit.  Little Egg Harbor, one of the two SB control cities on the Exit 58 guide is used along with Tuckerton where both are SB on CR 539 once off the exit, is one that is still in use that is along that criteria.

I was just curious as no one yet posted post 63 to 80 widening photos or has it been captured by GSV either.

I know at one time this was CR 534... I know it was changed to 554, is that still the case?  I havent been in NJ since 1999 and I know that the atlases/gps cant always be trusted

[jeffandnicole]

Anyone have photos of the newly configurated Exit 67?  I see it was made split SB for the two directions of CR 534 and access to and from the south are finally made as for years it was a typical Parkway interchange lacking all movements.

I am curious to know if Chatsworth is listed as control city for WB CR 534 for the NB GSP, as it is served by NJ 72 at Exit 63, and heading West on 534 will only lead you back onto NJ 72 anyway.  There are plenty of towns along US 9 that engineers of the NJTA would find more interesting knowing how they think.  The GSP always had in some cases where both control points on an exit guide were in the same direction off the exit.  Little Egg Harbor, one of the two SB control cities on the Exit 58 guide is used along with Tuckerton where both are SB on CR 539 once off the exit, is one that is still in use that is along that criteria.

I was just curious as no one yet posted post 63 to 80 widening photos or has it been captured by GSV either.

There are videos on YouTube by "roadwaywiz". Exit 67 (CR-554) is signed for Pemberton and Barnegat southbound and just Barnegat northbound. The westbound control city for NJ-72 at Exit 63 was changed from Camden to Pemberton. It seems the signing standards are now calling for "true" control cities (in this case the actual terminus of NJ-72, which is in Woodland Twp. but a stone's throw from Pemberton) vs. useful distant ones like Camden. NJ-70 which leads directly to Camden is where NJ-72 ends, and traffic to/from the area to LBI would actually recognize it, unlike Pemberton.

That is crazy.  Most people would rather see Camden than Pemberton

I think Cherry Hill, Marlton or even Medford would be a better option than Camden, all of which are towns one will travel using 72 and 70 before reaching Camden.

[NJRoadfan]

Is this only for state routes or do Interstates and other roads need to follow this too? Does the NJ Turnpike need to be signed to Carneys Point instead of Wilmington (and wherever it ends Northbound approaching the George Washington Bridge)? Does I295 have to sign Hamilton instead of Trenton?

NJDOT isn't really a fan of signing out of state destinations, so you usually get the bridge crossing or the neighboring state.

I know at one time this was CR 534... I know it was changed to 554, is that still the case?  I havent been in NJ since 1999 and I know that the atlases/gps cant always be trusted

It has been CR-554 since at least 1983 according to the maps I have on hand.

[roadman65]

Is this only for state routes or do Interstates and other roads need to follow this too? Does the NJ Turnpike need to be signed to Carneys Point instead of Wilmington (and wherever it ends Northbound approaching the George Washington Bridge)? Does I295 have to sign Hamilton instead of Trenton?

NJDOT isn't really a fan of signing out of state destinations, so you usually get the bridge crossing or the neighboring state.

I know at one time this was CR 534... I know it was changed to 554, is that still the case?  I havent been in NJ since 1999 and I know that the atlases/gps cant always be trusted

It has been CR-554 since at least 1983 according to the maps I have on hand.

What???

Staten Island is used for Parkway Exit 127.
New York City is used on I-287 for US 22.
New York City is used on I-80 signs.
Philadelphia is used more than Camden on the ACE.
Easton is used more than Phillipsburg on US 22 and I-78.
Port Jervis is used along NJ 23.

Me being a former NJ resident always resented the fact that New York was more important on all roads leading to Newark than Newark itself! 

[NJRoadfan]

Is this only for state routes or do Interstates and other roads need to follow this too? Does the NJ Turnpike need to be signed to Carneys Point instead of Wilmington (and wherever it ends Northbound approaching the George Washington Bridge)? Does I295 have to sign Hamilton instead of Trenton?

NJDOT isn't really a fan of signing out of state destinations, so you usually get the bridge crossing or the neighboring state.

I know at one time this was CR 534... I know it was changed to 554, is that still the case?  I havent been in NJ since 1999 and I know that the atlases/gps cant always be trusted

It has been CR-554 since at least 1983 according to the maps I have on hand.

What???

Staten Island is used for Parkway Exit 127.
New York City is used on I-287 for US 22.
New York City is used on I-80 signs.
Philadelphia is used more than Camden on the ACE.
Easton is used more than Phillipsburg on US 22 and I-78.
Port Jervis is used along NJ 23.

Easton was a recent change on I-78, it used to be Phillipsburg. Clinton is also widely used.
Parkway Exit 127 refers to the Outerbridge Crossing extensively.
The ACE has signing that is out of this world. They don't use cardinal directions to refer to the highway on trailblazers, but they include Camden for the most part.
I-80's signs refer to the crossing as well as the city.
US-22's reference of NYC at I-287 is rare, the rest of the signs point to Newark. Related to the above, I-287 south's control city is Perth Amboy, not Staten Island.