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Re: Erroneous road signs
« Reply #4275 on: January 03, 2018, 12:41:43 AM »

Photographed these in Virgilina, VA this afternoon ( Jan 2, 2018 ), on my way home from NC.




It reads "96."  Must be installed correctly, then!

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Re: Erroneous road signs
« Reply #4276 on: January 03, 2018, 11:40:32 AM »

Photographed these in Virgilina, VA this afternoon ( Jan 2, 2018 ), on my way home from NC.




It reads "96."  Must be installed correctly, then!
VDOT's take on CA's route shield.  :sombrero:
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Re: Erroneous road signs
« Reply #4277 on: January 03, 2018, 11:46:01 AM »

See...you stick with the basic circle and TOP and BOTTOM don't matter!
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Re: Erroneous road signs
« Reply #4278 on: January 03, 2018, 01:11:06 PM »

Photographed these in Virgilina, VA this afternoon ( Jan 2, 2018 ), on my way home from NC.




It reads "96."  Must be installed correctly, then!
VDOT's take on CA's route shield.  :sombrero:

I was thinking Utah instead of Caltrans.
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Re: Erroneous road signs
« Reply #4279 on: January 03, 2018, 02:17:53 PM »

I was thinking Utah instead of Caltrans.
Utah's shield is shaped more like a beehive than an upward spade.
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Re: Erroneous road signs
« Reply #4280 on: January 08, 2018, 02:22:21 PM »

Erroneous PA 119 sign along US 119 in Point Marion, PA

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There is a thread for those, and it's not this one.



US/State mixup shield error signs go here

As of this post, the Erroneous Road Signs thread has 161 pages (I use the default of 25 posts per page), and it will just continue to grow. To reduce its rate of growth, errors that are solely US/state route mixups go here instead of in the Erroneous Road Signs and Worst of Road Signs threads. ... If you recently posted in any of these threads with a US/state mixup, you may move the post to here by deleting the other one and pasting the content in this thread.

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Re: Erroneous road signs
« Reply #4281 on: January 22, 2018, 03:47:28 PM »

Want to see if people agree with me on this being erroneous, https://www.google.com/maps/@42.5710692,-71.275931,3a,20.9y,277.92h,93.26t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s8gXRDCzlmFI-8MlFDUiDKg!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo2.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3D8gXRDCzlmFI-8MlFDUiDKg%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D320.88898%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656

The sign pointing to 'North Billerica' has the N bigger than the other letters, which is to indicate directionality, like the larger S in south for 3A. Meaning, in a way, it's randomly stating the road goes 'north' to Billerica, not a road to 'North Billerica', therefore making the sign erroneous.

There are enough examples, none that I can think of at this moment, where a town or section of a town is noted properly without the larger first letter.
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Re: Erroneous road signs
« Reply #4282 on: January 22, 2018, 04:42:49 PM »

There are enough examples, none that I can think of at this moment, where a town or section of a town is noted properly without the larger first letter.

That seems more like a design error.  As is the local pronunciation of "Billerica."

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Re: Erroneous road signs
« Reply #4283 on: January 22, 2018, 06:29:35 PM »

Want to see if people agree with me on this being erroneous, https://www.google.com/maps/@42.5710692,-71.275931,3a,20.9y,277.92h,93.26t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s8gXRDCzlmFI-8MlFDUiDKg!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo2.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3D8gXRDCzlmFI-8MlFDUiDKg%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D320.88898%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656

The sign pointing to 'North Billerica' has the N bigger than the other letters, which is to indicate directionality, like the larger S in south for 3A. Meaning, in a way, it's randomly stating the road goes 'north' to Billerica, not a road to 'North Billerica', therefore making the sign erroneous.

There are enough examples, none that I can think of at this moment, where a town or section of a town is noted properly without the larger first letter.

"BILL3RICA" is more of an error, in my opinion.
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Re: Erroneous road signs
« Reply #4284 on: January 22, 2018, 06:42:44 PM »

"BILL3RICA" is more of an error, in my opinion.

Well, sure, but I wouldn’t consider “BILLRICKEH” to be an error.

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Re: Erroneous road signs
« Reply #4285 on: January 23, 2018, 12:58:53 AM »

Want to see if people agree with me on this being erroneous, https://www.google.com/maps/@42.5710692,-71.275931,3a,20.9y,277.92h,93.26t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s8gXRDCzlmFI-8MlFDUiDKg!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo2.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3D8gXRDCzlmFI-8MlFDUiDKg%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D320.88898%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656

The sign pointing to 'North Billerica' has the N bigger than the other letters, which is to indicate directionality, like the larger S in south for 3A. Meaning, in a way, it's randomly stating the road goes 'north' to Billerica, not a road to 'North Billerica', therefore making the sign erroneous.

There are enough examples, none that I can think of at this moment, where a town or section of a town is noted properly without the larger first letter.

Well that is interesting... the random three there, all caps with what you said
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Re: Erroneous road signs
« Reply #4286 on: January 23, 2018, 08:24:34 AM »

Want to see if people agree with me on this being erroneous, https://www.google.com/maps/@42.5710692,-71.275931,3a,20.9y,277.92h,93.26t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s8gXRDCzlmFI-8MlFDUiDKg!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo2.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3D8gXRDCzlmFI-8MlFDUiDKg%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D320.88898%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656

The sign pointing to 'North Billerica' has the N bigger than the other letters, which is to indicate directionality, like the larger S in south for 3A. Meaning, in a way, it's randomly stating the road goes 'north' to Billerica, not a road to 'North Billerica', therefore making the sign erroneous.

There are enough examples, none that I can think of at this moment, where a town or section of a town is noted properly without the larger first letter.

"BILL3RICA" is more of an error, in my opinion.

Just plain vandalism in this case.
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Re: Erroneous road signs
« Reply #4287 on: January 23, 2018, 10:39:28 AM »

Want to see if people agree with me on this being erroneous
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The sign pointing to 'North Billerica' has the N bigger than the other letters, which is to indicate directionality, like the larger S in south for 3A. Meaning, in a way, it's randomly stating the road goes 'north' to Billerica, not a road to 'North Billerica', therefore making the sign erroneous.
Given the location and the fact that BILLERICA is signed for the opposite direction, I would say that the larger N in the NORTH BILLERICA sign is indeed erroneous and that the NORTH is in reference to the unincorporated village of North Billerica.

...all caps with what you said
Such was standard MassDPW/Highway/DOT practice for D-type signage until very recently.
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Re: Erroneous road signs
« Reply #4288 on: January 23, 2018, 09:32:34 PM »

Want to see if people agree with me on this being erroneous
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The sign pointing to 'North Billerica' has the N bigger than the other letters, which is to indicate directionality, like the larger S in south for 3A. Meaning, in a way, it's randomly stating the road goes 'north' to Billerica, not a road to 'North Billerica', therefore making the sign erroneous.
Given the location and the fact that BILLERICA is signed for the opposite direction, I would say that the larger N in the NORTH BILLERICA sign is indeed erroneous and that the NORTH is in reference to the unincorporated village of North Billerica.

...all caps with what you said
Such was standard MassDPW/Highway/DOT practice for D-type signage until very recently.

When I saw the NORTH with larger first letter and no route number, I immediately thought of the paddle signs on former US 1 in Boston (dating back to before 1990, which were doctored to cover the numeral 1--remember, this was before shields on paddle signs).  Those signs that just said "NORTH / BOSTON" with 1 covered over clearly were hiding something.  The NORTH BILLERICA sign seems to want a 3A shield, or at least text.  :)
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Re: Erroneous road signs
« Reply #4289 on: January 24, 2018, 09:46:42 AM »

Want to see if people agree with me on this being erroneous
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The sign pointing to 'North Billerica' has the N bigger than the other letters, which is to indicate directionality, like the larger S in south for 3A. Meaning, in a way, it's randomly stating the road goes 'north' to Billerica, not a road to 'North Billerica', therefore making the sign erroneous.
Given the location and the fact that BILLERICA is signed for the opposite direction, I would say that the larger N in the NORTH BILLERICA sign is indeed erroneous and that the NORTH is in reference to the unincorporated village of North Billerica.

When I saw the NORTH with larger first letter and no route number, I immediately thought of the paddle signs on former US 1 in Boston (dating back to before 1990, which were doctored to cover the numeral 1--remember, this was before shields on paddle signs).  Those signs that just said "NORTH / BOSTON" with 1 covered over clearly were hiding something.  The NORTH BILLERICA sign seems to want a 3A shield, or at least text.  :)
For the benefit of those not familiar with this area or intersection, this is one case where 1 Picture = 1000 Words


The D6/D8 LGS in question is along MA 129 (Floyd St.) just east of Pollard St.  Shortly after Pollard St.; Floyd St. ends at Boston Rd. (where MA 129 meets & multiplexes w/MA 3A northward).  The NORTH BILLERICA legend with the right arrow is intended for Pollard St. not Boston Rd. (MA 3A).
 
If one looks at the Boston Rd./MA 3A intersection itself, one sees these D6/D8 LGS' for MA 3A & 129.

With regards to those old signs along former-US 1 from Boston to Dedham: I believe you're referring to the MDC-spec'd signage near Fenway Park.  Such featured mixed-case lettering for the direction cardinals.  Given that those & all other signs near/at the former-US 1 corridor well predated the MUTCD standard requiring the first letter of the direction cardinals to be taller than the rest (but still be in ALL CAPS); there were no signs along that corridor that featured ALL CAPS direction cardinals with the taller first letter per this source.
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Re: Erroneous road signs
« Reply #4290 on: January 24, 2018, 02:14:22 PM »

With regards to those old signs along former-US 1 from Boston to Dedham: I believe you're referring to the MDC-spec'd signage near Fenway Park.  Such featured mixed-case lettering for the direction cardinals.  Given that those & all other signs near/at the former-US 1 corridor well predated the MUTCD standard requiring the first letter of the direction cardinals to be taller than the rest (but still be in ALL CAPS); there were no signs along that corridor that featured ALL CAPS direction cardinals with the taller first letter per this source.

Indeed I am not talking about larger first letter ones, but there were MDC spec signs as well as some DPW-type paddle signs with 1 covered over.  The paddles are much more DPW style than MDC (now DCR) style.  What I was thinking of was the directional word NORTH being all alone with what appears to be a missing number, like on the 3A sign.  The larger first letter there leaves open the possibility of a missing 3A shield or text, along with "North Billerica" being intended and the designer just making the first letter larger out of habit.

You see larger first letter in TO and JCT sometimes as well, which isn't supposed to be, but would be akin to the larger N in North Billerica if that's what they intended.  Not that it seems to be what was intended.
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Re: Erroneous road signs
« Reply #4291 on: February 09, 2018, 06:51:50 AM »

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Re: Erroneous road signs
« Reply #4292 on: February 09, 2018, 01:32:57 PM »

Extraneous apostrophe on road sign by me, on Flickr

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Re: Erroneous road signs
« Reply #4293 on: February 09, 2018, 02:04:54 PM »

Indeed I am not talking about larger first letter ones, but there were MDC spec signs as well as some DPW-type paddle signs with 1 covered over.  The paddles are much more DPW style than MDC (now DCR) style.

Note that all the 'paddle' signs on former Route 1 between Dedham and Boston with the '1' covered over (which were done to MassDPW spec) were installed in the mid to late 1970s, and thus predate the practice of using an elongated first letter on cardinal directions by about fifteen years.
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Re: Erroneous road signs
« Reply #4294 on: February 18, 2018, 07:04:33 PM »

This sign stood at the Cherry Street exit from I-40 in Knoxville for many years.  It's gone now, but I managed to catch it in an archived photo from Google.

"US 25" doesn't actually run on Magnolia Avenue, nor does it run anywhere in Tennessee.  It's split until about the NC border.  US 25W is concurring with I-640 about 3 miles north of Magnolia at the point the sign is posted, and US 25E just flat out misses Knoxville.

US 25W doesn't even concur with US 11; by the time it hops off the interstate to join US 70, 11 has split, and goes from Magnolia Avenue into Rutledge Pike/Asheville Highway.

The sign makes no note of the 11W/E split despite it being in less than a mile, leaving tourists pretty confused on how they actually get to 25W.

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Re: Erroneous road signs
« Reply #4295 on: February 18, 2018, 07:30:03 PM »

This sign stood at the Cherry Street exit from I-40 in Knoxville for many years.  It's gone now, but I managed to catch it in an archived photo from Google.


They must have just removed it...was there in late January.

There is/was also one on the off ramp from the other direction of I-40
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Re: Erroneous road signs
« Reply #4296 on: February 19, 2018, 10:57:25 AM »

Extraneous apostrophe on road sign by me, on Flickr

Oop's!

Definitely belongs in the Worst thread.
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  • Black on white, not white on green
  • On same post as STOP sign
  • Sign on back of post hides the octagon shape of STOP sign

I fully concur.  This is a good candidate for the "worst of" thread.  No way in hell this should've escaped the sign shop.
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Re: Erroneous road signs
« Reply #4297 on: February 20, 2018, 11:55:46 AM »

Extraneous apostrophe on road sign by me, on Flickr

Oop's!

Definitely belongs in the Worst thread.
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  • Compressed Helvetica font
  • Non-MUTCD arrow
  • Black on white, not white on green
  • On same post as STOP sign
  • Sign on back of post hides the octagon shape of STOP sign

Yeah, this is definitely pure, unadulterated suck.
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Re: Erroneous road signs
« Reply #4298 on: March 09, 2018, 04:48:34 PM »

Sign recycling gone wrong:

Oh GAWD.....BURN IT WITH FIRE!!
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Re: Erroneous road signs
« Reply #4299 on: March 11, 2018, 10:18:01 AM »

Sign recycling gone wrong:

Oh GAWD.....BURN IT WITH FIRE!!

Though it's long gone, it's the very opposite of the overused phrase "kill with fire".

An old US blank shield was used, but then painted over, tilted 90 degrees, and then used as a Kentucky Route 7 shield. The fasteners on the assembly came apart, so the sign then moved 180 degrees.

So it was never really erroneous, it was recycled. An ancient sign got a new life, and an interesting story (well, for sign spotters).

 


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