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Started by hotdogPi, October 12, 2013, 04:50:12 PM

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NE-3

The lack of care of the service plazas and property is characteristic of the overall poor maintenance of roadways and infrastructure in MA when it comes to trash, roadway gravel and debris and vegetation control. It seems once MassDot buildings infrastructure, including service plazas, it then is ignored. I'm guessing budgeted funds for maintenance and upkeep are diverted to other budget lines. 


Rothman

Quote from: NE-3 on June 13, 2024, 05:41:07 AMThe lack of care of the service plazas and property is characteristic of the overall poor maintenance of roadways and infrastructure in MA when it comes to trash, roadway gravel and debris and vegetation control. It seems once MassDot buildings infrastructure, including service plazas, it then is ignored. I'm guessing budgeted funds for maintenance and upkeep are diverted to other budget lines. 

When it comes to maintenance and capital project funding, finances can get very complicated.  Maintenance tasks are typically either not eligible for federal funding or, due to their loose definition geographically (i.e., "going where needed"), funded by State funding out of convenience since NEPA screening would be problematic.

So, in NY, maintenance has its own funding separate from capital project funding.  This division is made at a very high level; NYSDOT's program management groups aren't even involved in which State funds go where.  And then, maintenance can snag capital funding (State) when their side is cut for whatever reason.

And then you throw in toll revenues, which are a whole other ball of wax.

So, all sorts of reasons could be coming into play for the perceived lack of quality in MassDOT facilities.
Please note: All comments here represent my own personal opinion and do not reflect the official position(s) of NYSDOT.

bob7374

According to the MassDOT Project Info site. The Notice to Proceed was given to the I-195 Dartmouth to Wareham sign replacement contract this past Monday, June 10. They also added under design contracts a sign replacement contract for MA 213 in Methuen under preliminary design taking place.

kramie13

Quote from: Ted$8roadFan on June 12, 2024, 05:14:50 AMMassDOT is seeking public feedback fe the Mass. Pike's rest areas. Here's wishing they would consider rest areas (or lack thereof) on other highways as well.

https://www.masslive.com/business/2024/06/massdot-seeks-feedback-on-pike-rest-stops.html

Please get rid of those "McDonalds" towers.  They ruin the view out in western MA.

SectorZ

Quote from: kramie13 on June 18, 2024, 10:17:53 AM
Quote from: Ted$8roadFan on June 12, 2024, 05:14:50 AMMassDOT is seeking public feedback fe the Mass. Pike's rest areas. Here's wishing they would consider rest areas (or lack thereof) on other highways as well.

https://www.masslive.com/business/2024/06/massdot-seeks-feedback-on-pike-rest-stops.html

Please get rid of those "McDonalds" towers.  They ruin the view out in western MA.

Agreed, but getting rid of the McDonald's period would be nice. Use to love things like Roy Rogers on the Pike before the state started torching, um, getting rid of them...

Ted$8roadFan

Yes, I remember the Roy Roger's at the Charlton rest area. It would be nice to have some variety.

vdeane

Given the way things went on the Thruway, getting rid of McDonald's would most likely just mean changing them all to Burger King.  Maybe a Shake Shack or two, if you're lucky.
Please note: All comments here represent my own personal opinion and do not reflect the official position of NYSDOT or its affiliates.

The Ghostbuster

There used to be Burger King restaurants and Mobil gas stations at the service plazas, although I believe they converted to McDonald's restaurants and Gulf gas stations sometime in the 2000s. Of course, prior to the McDonald's/Gulf conversion, the westbound Lee Service Plaza and the eastbound Blandford Service Plaza only had gas stations. There is still a Burger King (and a Subway, and a Honey Dew Donuts) at the Beverly Rest Area on MA 128.

jp the roadgeek

Quote from: Ted$8roadFan on June 18, 2024, 05:11:55 PMYes, I remember the Roy Roger's at the Charlton rest area. It would be nice to have some variety.

The Roy's I remember was actually in Sturbridge off I-84 Exit 3 (then Exit 1). 
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Ted$8roadFan

Sturbridge did have a Roy Roger's. The Charlton east service plaza anlso had one until the new contact/rebuild of the plazas in the early 2000s. 

shadyjay

#2510
There definitely seemed to be more variety back in the 90s/early 2000s:

https://web.archive.org/web/20000512021754/http://www.masspike.com/t_traveler/service.html
(DON"T CLICK ON THE LINK... IT WON'T OPEN PROPERLY.  COPY TIS ENTIRE ADDRESS INTO YOUR ADDRESS BAR).

Almost forgot about "BankBoston"!

Personally I prefer Burger King to McDonalds.  But be careful of what you wish for... the New York Thruway's plazas are going more high end with places like Chick-Fill-A and Shake Shack, and with much smaller buildings. 


bluecountry

Can someone get me a link please of the MATP traffic volumes?  I want to see how it compares from I-84 to Worcester, then Worceter to 495 and east.

Rothman

Quote from: shadyjay on June 19, 2024, 04:43:00 PMThere definitely seemed to be more variety back in the 90s/early 2000s:

https://web.archive.org/web/20000512021754/http://www.masspike.com/t_traveler/service.html
(DON"T CLICK ON THE LINK... IT WON'T OPEN PROPERLY.  COPY TIS ENTIRE ADDRESS INTO YOUR ADDRESS BAR).

Almost forgot about "BankBoston"!

Personally I prefer Burger King to McDonalds.  But be careful of what you wish for... the New York Thruway's plazas are going more high end with places like Chick-Fill-A and Shake Shack, and with much smaller buildings. 



I used to love Double Whoppers.  Then, I grew up and ate at Five Guys.  Recently had a BK burger and it tasted like cardboard.
Please note: All comments here represent my own personal opinion and do not reflect the official position(s) of NYSDOT.

kramie13

Quote from: SectorZ on June 18, 2024, 10:28:27 AMAgreed, but getting rid of the McDonald's period would be nice. Use to love things like Roy Rogers on the Pike before the state started torching, um, getting rid of them...

I loved Roy Rogers!  Sadly the Mass Pike and NY State Thruway don't have them anymore  :-/

Quote from: The Ghostbuster on June 19, 2024, 11:16:08 AMThere used to be Burger King restaurants and Mobil gas stations at the service plazas, although I believe they converted to McDonald's restaurants and Gulf gas stations sometime in the 2000s. Of course, prior to the McDonald's/Gulf conversion, the westbound Lee Service Plaza and the eastbound Blandford Service Plaza only had gas stations. There is still a Burger King (and a Subway, and a Honey Dew Donuts) at the Beverly Rest Area on MA 128.

Is there a reason why the Lee WB and Blandford EB plazas were "gas only, no food"?  It sure made road trips tough back in the day.  Going east this occurred in the 30 mile stretch between exits, and going west you had a long gap between service plazas with restaurants when counting the NY State Thruway plazas - almost 100 miles if you were going west towards Syracuse.

SectorZ

Quote from: bluecountry on June 19, 2024, 06:03:50 PMCan someone get me a link please of the MATP traffic volumes?  I want to see how it compares from I-84 to Worcester, then Worceter to 495 and east.

https://mhd.public.ms2soft.com/tcds/tsearch.asp?loc=Mhd&mod=

Ted$8roadFan

Quote from: kramie13 on June 20, 2024, 01:28:07 PM
Quote from: SectorZ on June 18, 2024, 10:28:27 AMAgreed, but getting rid of the McDonald's period would be nice. Use to love things like Roy Rogers on the Pike before the state started torching, um, getting rid of them...

I loved Roy Rogers!  Sadly the Mass Pike and NY State Thruway don't have them anymore  :-/

Quote from: The Ghostbuster on June 19, 2024, 11:16:08 AMThere used to be Burger King restaurants and Mobil gas stations at the service plazas, although I believe they converted to McDonald's restaurants and Gulf gas stations sometime in the 2000s. Of course, prior to the McDonald's/Gulf conversion, the westbound Lee Service Plaza and the eastbound Blandford Service Plaza only had gas stations. There is still a Burger King (and a Subway, and a Honey Dew Donuts) at the Beverly Rest Area on MA 128.

Is there a reason why the Lee WB and Blandford EB plazas were "gas only, no food"?  It sure made road trips tough back in the day.  Going east this occurred in the 30 mile stretch between exits, and going west you had a long gap between service plazas with restaurants when counting the NY State Thruway plazas - almost 100 miles if you were going west towards Syracuse.


It looks like those plazas have never had food as far as I could tell. I'm not sure if it's because of market conditions, costs, or local compromises (i.e. cutting a deal with the locals so only one side has food). Given the long distances between plazas and exits, there should be some service.

kramie13

Quote from: RyanB06 on June 21, 2023, 07:51:48 AMSomeone's got some 'splainin' to do back at the sign shop. (The correct number should be 45.)

https://www.westernmassnews.com/2023/06/20/getting-answers-mass-pike-missing-exit-46-after-extensive-exit-renumbering-project/

Looking at Google Street View today, this sign has been corrected to read "exit 45" as of October 2023.

bob7374

Both the Draft 2025-2029 Capital Improvement Plan (CIP) and State Transportation Improvement Plan (STIP) are now available for public comment, the draft plans are available at:
[ur]https://www.mass.gov/capital-investment-plan-cip[/url]

The CIP has descriptions of the current I-90/I-495 interchange project as well as about the upcoming Cape Cod bridge replacements, but no mention of I-95/I-93 interchange improvements in either Canton or Woburn.
The STIP lists sign replacement projects for FY 2025 and 2026, but only has a $7 million 'placeholder' entry for FYs 2027-2029.

bob7374

MassDOT has published its Route 2 Corridor Study for public comment. One of the alternatives looked at is the widening of at least the existing freeway portions to 3 lanes in each direction in the long term:
https://www.mass.gov/news/route-2-study-released-for-public-comment

SectorZ

Quote from: bob7374 on June 26, 2024, 12:07:19 PMMassDOT has published its Route 2 Corridor Study for public comment. One of the alternatives looked at is the widening of at least the existing freeway portions to 3 lanes in each direction in the long term:
https://www.mass.gov/news/route-2-study-released-for-public-comment

Really wish they would do something similar with the Concord/Lincoln parts as well.

Ted$8roadFan

It's heartening to see MassDOT beginning the conversation on Improvements to MA-2, one of the most critical (and worst) highways in the state. Between growth in north/central Mass. (aka Devens), people priced out of Boston moving there, and those from central/western Mass. using it as a toll-free alternative to the Mass. pike, the highway simply has to change. Too many deficiencies to mention. I just it hope it happens in my lifetime.

Ted$8roadFan

Quote from: SectorZ on June 26, 2024, 03:40:23 PM
Quote from: bob7374 on June 26, 2024, 12:07:19 PMMassDOT has published its Route 2 Corridor Study for public comment. One of the alternatives looked at is the widening of at least the existing freeway portions to 3 lanes in each direction in the long term:
https://www.mass.gov/news/route-2-study-released-for-public-comment

Really wish they would do something similar with the Concord/Lincoln parts as well.


Agreed, but an educated guess of the disposition of the good people of Concord and Lincoln suggest that changes there will be the hardest to come by.

SectorZ

Quote from: Ted$8roadFan on June 27, 2024, 06:20:47 AM
Quote from: SectorZ on June 26, 2024, 03:40:23 PM
Quote from: bob7374 on June 26, 2024, 12:07:19 PMMassDOT has published its Route 2 Corridor Study for public comment. One of the alternatives looked at is the widening of at least the existing freeway portions to 3 lanes in each direction in the long term:
https://www.mass.gov/news/route-2-study-released-for-public-comment

Really wish they would do something similar with the Concord/Lincoln parts as well.


Agreed, but an educated guess of the disposition of the good people of Concord and Lincoln suggest that changes there will be the hardest to come by.

And nonetheless, they'll continue to complain about all the people driving thru Concord center to avoid everything when improving 2 would mitigate it. You can't win with them.

RobbieL2415

Have they considered extending extending commuter rail service on the Fitchburg Line to Gardner or Athol?

hotdogPi

I think there are higher priorities. New Bedford and Fall River are supposed to finish this year (unless it's been pushed back), and the Lowell Line has been perpetually proposed to be extended to Nashua and Manchester. I've also heard discussion about the Haverhill line to Plaistow. I would also like the gap between New London and the nondescript area at the end of the Providence Line to be filled by either of the two companies, but I don't know if there are any actual plans for that.
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