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Title: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: Brandon on January 24, 2013, 05:38:24 PM
It's been approved at the Federal level as well as at the State level.

U.S. OKs turning Elgin-O'Hare Expressway into tollway (http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/chi-us-oks-turning-elginohare-expressway-into-tollway-20130124,0,6488413.story)

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The U.S. Transportation Department approved an agreement allowing the Illinois Tollway to include the existing highway in its $3.6 billion Elgin-O’Hare Western Access Project, according to officials in Washington, D.C., and Illinois.

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The Elgin-O’Hare Western Access Project will include construction of a new, all-electronic toll road around the western border of O'Hare International Airport.

The new tollway will link the Jane Addams Memorial Tollway (I-90) and the Tri-State Tollway (I-294). The existing Elgin-O’Hare Expressway will be turned into a tollway and will be widened and extended east along Thorndale Avenue to O'Hare.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: nwi_navigator_1181 on January 25, 2013, 12:57:01 AM
This...is interesting.

A bypass inside of a bypass...eliminating the need to kink eastward on I-294 if you wish to access I-90 west toward Rockford, also eliminating the gap between the current east terminus of the Elgin-O'Hare Expressway and the junction with I-290. I actually like this.

I know there will be those who will complain about the fact that it's tolled. While I understand that, the fact that the Illinois Tollway Authority is willing to fill a known gap in an expressway that currently serves little functionality is remarkable. The connector between I-294 and I-90 will be great for those who want to quickly access I-90 without dealing with airport traffic.

It will be more than a decade before it comes to fruition, but I like to see what they come up with.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: 3467 on January 25, 2013, 07:48:43 PM
I hope they make sure they help the 46 displaced business which I suspect are manufacturing or wholesale. The Ohare are is the manufacturing center of Illinois.
I am suprised it needed FHWA approval for tolls because it was primarily a state project. Perhaps any federal money involved requires FHWA approval?
I think the EIS documents are still on IDOTs site
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: Rick Powell on January 27, 2013, 10:21:06 PM
I hope they make sure they help the 46 displaced business which I suspect are manufacturing or wholesale. The Ohare are is the manufacturing center of Illinois.
I am suprised it needed FHWA approval for tolls because it was primarily a state project. Perhaps any federal money involved requires FHWA approval?
I think the EIS documents are still on IDOTs site
I hope they make sure they help the 46 displaced business which I suspect are manufacturing or wholesale. The Ohare are is the manufacturing center of Illinois.
I am suprised it needed FHWA approval for tolls because it was primarily a state project. Perhaps any federal money involved requires FHWA approval?
I think the EIS documents are still on IDOTs site

I think this was just a formality, but needed b/c the original EOE used some federal funds in its design or construction.  It would be a lot tougher (but not impossible) to toll if it were a current "free" marked interstate route according to the current FHWA policy.

The Tier One and Tier Two EIS's are indeed available at IDOT's website.  Both have received a Record of Decision.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: 3467 on January 27, 2013, 10:46:39 PM
Illinois did so many routes before(Ike Kennedy) and after(rest of 88.72.155.39) I bet they could get FHWA approval on those too...In realted topic they will try to add IL 53 to the Tollway . Illinois does have untapped assets. Its may have to tap those because it runs a federal type fiscal policy w/o benefit of a printing press
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: Revive 755 on June 11, 2013, 05:19:48 PM
I got a couple quick glances at a sign layout for the western end of the EOE recently:

* It appears the EOE will be numbered as IL 390.

* It appears the EB exit to IL 19 will be Exit 7.

* Looked like there was going to be some sort of mainline I-Pass gantry signing - something along the lines of 'I-Pass/toll collected ahead/toll amount.'
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: Brandon on June 11, 2013, 05:48:49 PM
I got a couple quick glances at a sign layout for the western end of the EOE recently:

* It appears the EOE will be numbered as IL 390.

* It appears the EB exit to IL 19 will be Exit 7.

* Looked like there was going to be some sort of mainline I-Pass gantry signing - something along the lines of 'I-Pass/toll collected ahead/toll amount.'

IIRC, the EOE will be all electronic tolling.

IL-390 sounds like they're prepping it for I-390 (given how Illinois slaps an I-number on damn near everything).
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: mgk920 on June 12, 2013, 12:32:20 AM
Is there any discussion of extending the EOT westward to that US 20 feed that I mentioned in another thread at any time in the foreseeable future?

Mike
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: Brandon on June 12, 2013, 07:11:48 AM
Is there any discussion of extending the EOT westward to that US 20 feed that I mentioned in another thread at any time in the foreseeable future?

Mike

None that I've seen currently.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: Henry on June 12, 2013, 11:07:25 AM
IL-390 sounds like they're prepping it for I-390 (given how Illinois slaps an I-number on damn near everything).
And we're still waiting for I-394 to happen...
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: NE2 on June 12, 2013, 11:41:46 AM
And we're still waiting for I-394 to happen...
How many of the voices in your head comprise that we?
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: ET21 on June 13, 2013, 05:37:53 PM
All I know is this will help the 190-90-294 traffic. That triple exit with River Road and Touhy on the side is hairy during rush hour
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: StogieGuy7 on June 13, 2013, 11:55:20 PM
Ah, the "Elgin-O'Hare" Expressway, an is still noteworthy for leading to neither of it's named destinations!  Well, it's about time that this bad joke is corrected. 

As for it being tolled, this may not be ideal but it is the only way that any new highways will be constructed in northern Illinois. So a new tollway is better than no road at all.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: Joe The Dragon on June 19, 2013, 02:23:33 PM
Is there any discussion of extending the EOT westward to that US 20 feed that I mentioned in another thread at any time in the foreseeable future?

Mike
maybe some they can add a link back I-90 there and number it I-290
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: Brandon on June 19, 2013, 04:22:43 PM
Just today...

Tollway advances $160 million in projects (http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/chi-illinois-tollway-advances-160-million-in-projects-20130619,0,3759899.story)

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The Illinois Tollway today tentatively approved construction contracts totaling nearly $160 million for work on the Jane Addams Memorial Tollway (I-90) , the proposed Elgin-O’Hare Western Access and other projects.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: Revive 755 on June 26, 2013, 10:35:02 PM
Update from speaking with Tollway officials at a recent public meeting:

* The Toll Authority will seek to designate the West Bypass as I-490.  The application should come before AASHTO this fall.

In addition, there were some griping by some members of the public about traffic problems at the current terminus of the EOE at US 20, and a desire to extended the EOE west to County Farm Road.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: Stratuscaster on June 27, 2013, 11:11:03 PM
In addition, there were some griping by some members of the public about traffic problems at the current terminus of the EOE at US 20, and a desire to extended the EOE west to County Farm Road.
It may be useful for folks heading further south into Dupage County to be able to go directly from the EOE to southbound County Farm Road - and for those heading north on County Farm to exit onto the EOE - but really that just transfers that load of traffic from the 6-lane US-20 to the 4-lane residential County Farm Road.

Much like the rebuild of the Hillside Strangler - it just moves the bottleneck further down the line. You'd end up with something similar to the now-unnumbered north end of IL-53 at Lake-Cook Road.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: hobsini2 on June 30, 2013, 07:21:14 PM
In addition, there were some griping by some members of the public about traffic problems at the current terminus of the EOE at US 20, and a desire to extended the EOE west to County Farm Road.
It may be useful for folks heading further south into Dupage County to be able to go directly from the EOE to southbound County Farm Road - and for those heading north on County Farm to exit onto the EOE - but really that just transfers that load of traffic from the 6-lane US-20 to the 4-lane residential County Farm Road.

Much like the rebuild of the Hillside Strangler - it just moves the bottleneck further down the line. You'd end up with something similar to the now-unnumbered north end of IL-53 at Lake-Cook Road.

I disagree with that conclusion Stratuscaster.  There will still be plenty of people using US 20 Lake St to head west. But what this will do (extending to County Farm Rd) is take people off of the 2 lane 25 mph zoned Ontarioville Rd between Lake St and County Farm Rd. A lot of people use that road as a shortcut. In reality if the EOE does go to County Farm, you would have the traffic that uses the current 2 westbound lanes at the current end of the EOE being split in to 3 lanes through west and 2 through lanes south. Oh and BTW, the 3rd lane on Lake St drops after County Farm Rd anyway.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: cwm1276 on July 01, 2013, 09:33:10 AM
Would County Farm road get an interchange with an extended Tollway to Elgin?  Or would people be expect to still use Lake Street?

Also is the any proposal for the routing of the Eligin-O'hare to Elgin?
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: Brandon on July 01, 2013, 10:08:48 AM
Would County Farm road get an interchange with an extended Tollway to Elgin?  Or would people be expect to still use Lake Street?

Also is the any proposal for the routing of the Eligin-O'hare to Elgin?

If, and this is a big if, the EOE is extended to County Farm, then there will be an interchange at County Farm on the EOE.

The original proposal was to connect the EOE to the US-20 Bypass of Elgin.  As far as I know, the proposal is either dormant or dead.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: ET21 on July 01, 2013, 02:30:13 PM
Would County Farm road get an interchange with an extended Tollway to Elgin?  Or would people be expect to still use Lake Street?

Also is the any proposal for the routing of the Eligin-O'hare to Elgin?

If, and this is a big if, the EOE is extended to County Farm, then there will be an interchange at County Farm on the EOE.

The original proposal was to connect the EOE to the US-20 Bypass of Elgin.  As far as I know, the proposal is either dormant or dead.

Most likely dormant because they do have the land standing by if EOE goes west
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: sandwalk on July 01, 2013, 03:27:56 PM
Would County Farm road get an interchange with an extended Tollway to Elgin?  Or would people be expect to still use Lake Street?

Also is the any proposal for the routing of the Eligin-O'hare to Elgin?

If, and this is a big if, the EOE is extended to County Farm, then there will be an interchange at County Farm on the EOE.

The original proposal was to connect the EOE to the US-20 Bypass of Elgin.  As far as I know, the proposal is either dormant or dead.

Most likely dormant because they do have the land standing by if EOE goes west

Totally a pipe-dream, but why not extend it to the US-20 Elgin Bypass and then swing the road up northwest back to I-90 (somewhere east of the IL-47 interchange)?

Or---let's get crazy---and extend the EOE southwest from it's current terminus (roughly following Stearns Road). The EOE would go through the north side of St. Charles to I-88 just east of DeKalb (near the village of Maple Park).  You might have to take 'Elgin' out of the name, but it's never gone there to begin with. ;)
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: hobsini2 on July 01, 2013, 05:44:31 PM
Sandwalk, as much as that is a pipe dream to go to DeKalb with the EOE, I would love to see that happen. It would cut off a good chunk of mileage from 294-88 as well as not having to deal with the mess of traffic on 294 during rush hour.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: Revive 755 on July 01, 2013, 09:28:39 PM
Most likely dormant because they do have the land standing by if EOE goes west

The long range plan by CMAP has it "early stages of planning," but I would lean towards dormant.
http://www.cmap.illinois.gov/documents/20583/93d6cada-5f17-41ac-b521-71186b2af3e5 (http://www.cmap.illinois.gov/documents/20583/93d6cada-5f17-41ac-b521-71186b2af3e5) (See Page 38/42)  I think there is a more recent version of this list that drops some projects such as the Illiana - Prairie Parkway connector, but I can't find it tonight.

Looks to me like the land is only available to a little ways west of County Farm Road; it appears IDOT didn't manage to grab all of the parcels soon enough between County Farm and US 20 at North Avenue (a different North Avenue, not IL 64).
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: 3467 on July 01, 2013, 10:25:18 PM
It looks that way to me too....Considering how tough it has become to build anything in metro Chicago I would say an extension to county farm road is about it although I really like both of the other ideas
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: mgk920 on July 02, 2013, 10:46:22 AM
A while back in another part of these forvms, I posted an aerial image highlighting the corridor that such a westward extension is likely to take - it is a clear ROW:

(http://imageshack.us/a/img40/325/eoewest.jpg)

Any further extensions (ie, towards De Kalb and/or back to I-90) would have to be westward from US 20 on Elgin's southwest side.

 :nod:

(Note, that 'clear corridor' that extends due westward from the free.. .  er, tollway's current west end contains high-energy power lines.)

Mike
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: sandwalk on July 02, 2013, 01:46:51 PM
A while back in another part of these forvms, I posted an aerial image highlighting the corridor that such a westward extension is likely to take - it is a clear ROW:

(http://imageshack.us/a/img40/325/eoewest.jpg)

Any further extensions (ie, towards De Kalb and/or back to I-90) would have to be westward from US 20 on Elgin's southwest side.

 :nod:

(Note, that 'clear corridor' that extends due westward from the free.. .  er, tollway's current west end contains high-energy power lines.)

Mike

I was wondering what that corridor just north of Stearns Road was (power lines). Thanks for clarifying!

The cost to put a highway alongside the power lines would be astronomical, but that's a thing for the Fictional forum. :)
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: sandwalk on July 02, 2013, 01:49:39 PM
Sandwalk, as much as that is a pipe dream to go to DeKalb with the EOE, I would love to see that happen. It would cut off a good chunk of mileage from 294-88 as well as not having to deal with the mess of traffic on 294 during rush hour.

Makes sense to me; which means it will never happen.....unfortunately!
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: Joe The Dragon on July 02, 2013, 02:41:42 PM
A while back in another part of these forvms, I posted an aerial image highlighting the corridor that such a westward extension is likely to take - it is a clear ROW:


Any further extensions (ie, towards De Kalb and/or back to I-90) would have to be westward from US 20 on Elgin's southwest side.

 :nod:

(Note, that 'clear corridor' that extends due westward from the free.. .  er, tollway's current west end contains high-energy power lines.)

Mike

I was wondering what that corridor just north of Stearns Road was (power lines). Thanks for clarifying!

The cost to put a highway alongside the power lines would be astronomical, but that's a thing for the Fictional forum. :)
local road
https://maps.google.com/maps?oe=utf-8&client=firefox-a&q=60016&ie=UTF-8&hq=&hnear=0x880fb7815e269259:0xdb8d848f5a46ca10,Des+Plaines,+IL+60016&gl=us&ei=iB7TUdDIL47DywHvmIC4Cw&ved=0CIkBELYD
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: Joe The Dragon on July 02, 2013, 02:50:59 PM
A while back in another part of these forvms, I posted an aerial image highlighting the corridor that such a westward extension is likely to take - it is a clear ROW:

(http://imageshack.us/a/img40/325/eoewest.jpg)

Any further extensions (ie, towards De Kalb and/or back to I-90) would have to be westward from US 20 on Elgin's southwest side.

 :nod:

(Note, that 'clear corridor' that extends due westward from the free.. .  er, tollway's current west end contains high-energy power lines.)

Mike

single poll with room

as for your map US 20 to bypass it seems like you can fit it in on US 20 by chomping some parking lots
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: Brandon on July 02, 2013, 03:22:57 PM
A while back in another part of these forvms, I posted an aerial image highlighting the corridor that such a westward extension is likely to take - it is a clear ROW:

(http://imageshack.us/a/img40/325/eoewest.jpg)

Any further extensions (ie, towards De Kalb and/or back to I-90) would have to be westward from US 20 on Elgin's southwest side.

 :nod:

(Note, that 'clear corridor' that extends due westward from the free.. .  er, tollway's current west end contains high-energy power lines.)

Mike

single poll with room

as for your map US 20 to bypass it seems like you can fit it in on US 20 by chomping some parking lots

I think that may have been the original plan.  Going west from there, it's a short distance to an interstate-grade interchange between US-20 and IL-59 (complete with control cities), and another short distance to the existing Elgin Bypass.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: Stratuscaster on July 04, 2013, 11:09:31 PM
I wouldn't call it completely clear ROW between County Farm and North Av...there's a few existing things in the way along Devon Av and North Av and at Lake St itself.

And if we are going to go ahead and use the existing US-20/Lake St ROW from there west, there's a whole lot of stuff alongside Lake St between North Av and the Elgin Bypass to deal with, too. Not saying it's impossible...but doesn't seem likely without quite a bit of property acquisition and frontage road requirements through Streamwood and Bartlett.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: Revive 755 on October 24, 2013, 05:53:54 PM
An earlier signing plan for the EOE has been posted:
http://www.dot.il.gov/desenv/Elgin-Ohare%20Final%20EIS/Tier%20Two/I-290%20Access%20Justification%20Report/Appendices/AppendixB/Appendix_B_2030_ICP_Signing_Plans.pdf (http://www.dot.il.gov/desenv/Elgin-Ohare%20Final%20EIS/Tier%20Two/I-290%20Access%20Justification%20Report/Appendices/AppendixB/Appendix_B_2030_ICP_Signing_Plans.pdf)
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: Big John on October 24, 2013, 06:08:01 PM
^^ Interesting that the pull-through signs has a standard Illinois route marker saying EO under the ILLINOIS.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: Brandon on October 24, 2013, 07:09:20 PM
An earlier signing plan for the EOE has been posted:
http://www.dot.il.gov/desenv/Elgin-Ohare%20Final%20EIS/Tier%20Two/I-290%20Access%20Justification%20Report/Appendices/AppendixB/Appendix_B_2030_ICP_Signing_Plans.pdf (http://www.dot.il.gov/desenv/Elgin-Ohare%20Final%20EIS/Tier%20Two/I-290%20Access%20Justification%20Report/Appendices/AppendixB/Appendix_B_2030_ICP_Signing_Plans.pdf)

Earlier?  This is for ISTHA.  These are fairly new.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: Joe The Dragon on October 24, 2013, 08:21:03 PM
An earlier signing plan for the EOE has been posted:
http://www.dot.il.gov/desenv/Elgin-Ohare%20Final%20EIS/Tier%20Two/I-290%20Access%20Justification%20Report/Appendices/AppendixB/Appendix_B_2030_ICP_Signing_Plans.pdf (http://www.dot.il.gov/desenv/Elgin-Ohare%20Final%20EIS/Tier%20Two/I-290%20Access%20Justification%20Report/Appendices/AppendixB/Appendix_B_2030_ICP_Signing_Plans.pdf)

taking an free road to ETC only?? I was thinking at least ETC and toll by mail / online (added fee no fines)

if they can pull that off move the other toll roads to ETC only and add more ramps / more direct links.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: mgk920 on October 24, 2013, 08:24:51 PM
An earlier signing plan for the EOE has been posted:
http://www.dot.il.gov/desenv/Elgin-Ohare%20Final%20EIS/Tier%20Two/I-290%20Access%20Justification%20Report/Appendices/AppendixB/Appendix_B_2030_ICP_Signing_Plans.pdf (http://www.dot.il.gov/desenv/Elgin-Ohare%20Final%20EIS/Tier%20Two/I-290%20Access%20Justification%20Report/Appendices/AppendixB/Appendix_B_2030_ICP_Signing_Plans.pdf)

'IL EO' - Now that's just totally bizarre!

 :-P

Taking a free road to ETC only?? I was thinking at least ETC and toll by mail / online (added fee no fines)

if they can pull that off move the other toll roads to ETC only and add more ramps / more direct links.

My understanding is that it is to be toll by mail - 'cash' (double the transponder) rate for non-transponder vehicles.

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Also note that the strip maps in that .pdf file show the I-290/IL EO interchange in its final configuration.

Mike
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: JamesT456 on October 29, 2013, 05:36:19 PM
Rarely post on here but just watching the news & it was reveled the EOE  will be singed as Illinois State Route 390.

illinois.gov link:
http://www3.illinois.gov/PressReleases/PressReleasesListShow.cfm?RecNum=11659
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: Brandon on October 29, 2013, 05:50:36 PM
Rarely post on here but just watching the news & it was reveled the EOE  will be singed as Illinois State Route 390.

illinois.gov link:
http://www3.illinois.gov/PressReleases/PressReleasesListShow.cfm?RecNum=11659

It's a number that makes sense, and it's easily convertible to I-390 should ISTHA ever be so inclined to pursue it.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: mgk920 on October 29, 2013, 08:49:06 PM
Rarely post on here but just watching the news & it was reveled the EOE  will be singed as Illinois State Route 390.

illinois.gov link:
http://www3.illinois.gov/PressReleases/PressReleasesListShow.cfm?RecNum=11659

It's a number that makes sense, and it's easily convertible to I-390 should ISTHA ever be so inclined to pursue it.

A good numbering, IMHO.  Also in that the new tollway around the west side of ORD will be marked as a full interstate.

Mike
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: Joe The Dragon on October 29, 2013, 09:06:45 PM
Rarely post on here but just watching the news & it was reveled the EOE  will be singed as Illinois State Route 390.

illinois.gov link:
http://www3.illinois.gov/PressReleases/PressReleasesListShow.cfm?RecNum=11659

It's a number that makes sense, and it's easily convertible to I-390 should ISTHA ever be so inclined to pursue it.

and how many ad's will call it I-390 just like how IL-394 is called I-394
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: Joe The Dragon on October 30, 2013, 07:47:41 PM
I did not take long for the IL and I part to get mixed up.

WGN 720 called it I-390 in reports many times to day.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: Stratuscaster on October 30, 2013, 10:06:38 PM
Saw tonight on the EOE eastbound past Roselle Road is an actual "ILLINOIS 390" shield. I was going to get a photo, but traffic, rain, and darkness conspired against me.

No cardinal plate, just the shield.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: Revive 755 on November 02, 2013, 07:47:23 PM
Saw tonight on the EOE eastbound past Roselle Road is an actual "ILLINOIS 390" shield. I was going to get a photo, but traffic, rain, and darkness conspired against me.

No cardinal plate, just the shield.

As of today that shield and one for the WB lanes across from it are the only IL 390 shields on the EOE.

Although I don't really object to the number, I wonder if it may have been better to use 590 instead of 390, given the close proximity of I-355 to the IL 390 interchange on I-290, especially if the EOE does eventually get promoted to an interstate.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: mgk920 on November 02, 2013, 09:33:22 PM
Saw tonight on the EOE eastbound past Roselle Road is an actual "ILLINOIS 390" shield. I was going to get a photo, but traffic, rain, and darkness conspired against me.

No cardinal plate, just the shield.

As of today that shield and one for the WB lanes across from it are the only IL 390 shields on the EOE.

Although I don't really object to the number, I wonder if it may have been better to use 590 instead of 390, given the close proximity of I-355 to the IL 390 interchange on I-290, especially if the EOE does eventually get promoted to an interstate.

Well, I-290 and I-294 kind of closely parallel each other for a distance not far south of there....

Mike
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: Stratuscaster on November 02, 2013, 09:34:29 PM
Potential driver confusion of 390 and 355? I suppose there's always a chance...but I don't see it.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: Stratuscaster on November 02, 2013, 11:19:18 PM
An earlier signing plan for the EOE has been posted:
http://www.dot.il.gov/desenv/Elgin-Ohare%20Final%20EIS/Tier%20Two/I-290%20Access%20Justification%20Report/Appendices/AppendixB/Appendix_B_2030_ICP_Signing_Plans.pdf (http://www.dot.il.gov/desenv/Elgin-Ohare%20Final%20EIS/Tier%20Two/I-290%20Access%20Justification%20Report/Appendices/AppendixB/Appendix_B_2030_ICP_Signing_Plans.pdf)
Other documents in the reports talk about how they need to be careful in signing EB IL-EO(390) in order not to confuse drivers that may think "this is the way to O'Hare" when the West Bypass isn't built yet - although I have to say that since it's been called the "Elgin-O'Hare Expressway" for some time now and doesn't go to either destination, that doesn't seem to be a problem.

The signing plan clearly shows EB IL-EO(390) signed as "To O'Hare (airplane)", and then once on the ramps from I-290 it becomes just "O'Hare (airplane)" - so they're presuming the West Bypass AND the ORD west access will be a done deal.

Interesting in that signage on WB & EB I-290 for WB IL-EO(390) will have no control city. I get that the main point of the EOE is airport access, but it's been the EOE for a long time now - they should put "Elgin" on the sign.

The OAPL signs look like they'll be quite gargantuan in size (as most do OAPL signs do). They could halve the size of the arrows and it would still be effective, IMHO.

IDOT & ISHTA should get together and make a standard for that yellow TOLL banner placement - right of the shield/over the cardinal (which I think I prefer), or above the shield.

The little green "Elgin-O'Hare Expressway" signs on the cross streets seem excessive (and look goofy with the "WEST/TOLL" and "EAST/TOLL" banners tacked onto the top - why not just call it "Elgin-O'Hare Tollway"?) Now that it's officially IL-390 that should look a little better. The "I-PASS ONLY" signs underneath also seem a bit much - if they are going to do "pay by mail" then it shouldn't matter, should it?

The lack of signing plans for west of Roselle Road and at US 20 seems a bit odd - perhaps they'll just tack up IL-390 shields where appropriate and call it a day (if they even bother to do that)?
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: Revive 755 on November 03, 2013, 12:01:06 PM
The little green "Elgin-O'Hare Expressway" signs on the cross streets seem excessive (and look goofy with the "WEST/TOLL" and "EAST/TOLL" banners tacked onto the top - why not just call it "Elgin-O'Hare Tollway"?) Now that it's officially IL-390 that should look a little better. The "I-PASS ONLY" signs underneath also seem a bit much - if they are going to do "pay by mail" then it shouldn't matter, should it?

I was under the impression the Toll Authority was still with the seven days to pay, which would be a short time frame for "pay by mail" - though I think there was talk of revising something to account for the no cash tolling system on the EOE.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: Stratuscaster on November 03, 2013, 07:49:45 PM
I was under the impression the Toll Authority was still with the seven days to pay, which would be a short time frame for "pay by mail" - though I think there was talk of revising something to account for the no cash tolling system on the EOE.
I had heard something to the effect that ISHTA would use "bill by mail" for those without I-PASS transponders - above and beyond the "pay in 7 days" currently in place. Of course, I can't locate whatever it was that I read that in.

Snagged some images this afternoon. Here's the sign I mentioned earlier - EB IL-390, east of Roselle Road...
(http://modernmopars.com/roadgeek/EB_IL-390.jpg)

This sign was used for - I believe - the groundbreaking ceremony back on 10/29. It's located on WB Thorndale Ave at Park Blvd...
(http://modernmopars.com/roadgeek/IL-390_groundbreak.jpg)

Here's a close-up...wonder if they'll use this along the road like the "CKC" banners on IL-110?
(http://modernmopars.com/roadgeek/IL-390_gb_zoom.jpg)
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: mukade on November 03, 2013, 08:01:36 PM
Those numbers on the 390 markers look like ones on Indiana signs. I also don't recall the "ILLINOIS" being in that big a font.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: Stratuscaster on November 03, 2013, 08:14:32 PM
I agree - it's "non-standard" in that regard. I honestly think they were just whipped up for the groundbreaking ceremony - although I couldn't tell you why the two markers got posted near Roselle Road.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: rmsandw on November 03, 2013, 10:43:35 PM
Question I have is the entire EOE now IL 390?  or...is all of Throndale and the EOE IL 390?
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: Stratuscaster on November 04, 2013, 09:55:08 AM
Per the press release, "The soon-to-be-reconstructed road - which was called the Elgin O’Hare Expressway - and the new roadway that will extend east along Thorndale Avenue to O'Hare, is now designated as Illinois Route 390."
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: Stratuscaster on November 29, 2013, 07:17:02 PM
Drove the EOE on Wednesday night, and the posted IL-390 signs are now gone. The posts remain, but the signs themselves were removed.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: Revive 755 on December 14, 2013, 11:35:43 PM
Found this presentation which has some nice maps showing the construction schedule for the Elgin O'Hare starting at Slide 41:

http://www.illinoistollway.com/documents/10157/3772632/EOWACorridorConstruction_MeetingPresentation_11-07-13.pdf (http://www.illinoistollway.com/documents/10157/3772632/EOWACorridorConstruction_MeetingPresentation_11-07-13.pdf)
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: Henry on December 18, 2013, 03:10:56 PM
Drove the EOE on Wednesday night, and the posted IL-390 signs are now gone. The posts remain, but the signs themselves were removed.
So will the signs return once the tollway is completed?
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: mrsman on December 20, 2013, 12:44:23 PM
I think that all full or even partial expressways should have a highway number to aid in navigation,  so I applaud Illinois' efforts here. :clap:
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: Stratuscaster on December 24, 2013, 10:16:44 PM
So will the signs return once the tollway is completed?
I would presume they would return once the widening of the existing EOE is done, and then get TOLL banners once the new section is done. I seem to recall seeing that in the plans.

Honestly, they could tack on some shields to existing signage and sign the route now, if anything to just get it into people's heads. Thorndale Ave could become "Temporary IL-390".
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: Brandon on December 24, 2013, 10:30:15 PM
^^ There's no real need for the number as of now.  No one outside of a few newscasters calls the road "Illinois 390" or "Route 390".  It's always "The Elgin O'Hare".
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: Revive 755 on July 08, 2014, 09:16:31 PM
Dusting off this topic . . .

There are now a couple 'To IL 390 assemblies' on EB I-290, and a 'Begin IL 390' assembly just west of the future IL 53/Rohlwing Road overpass.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: Joe The Dragon on July 08, 2014, 11:05:00 PM
Drove the EOE on Wednesday night, and the posted IL-390 signs are now gone. The posts remain, but the signs themselves were removed.
So will the signs return once the tollway is completed?
There is still an end IL-390 sign by the I-290 ramp
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: Brandon on July 09, 2014, 07:43:09 AM
Dusting off this topic . . .

There are now a couple 'To IL 390 assemblies' on EB I-290, and a 'Begin IL 390' assembly just west of the future IL 53/Rohlwing Road overpass.

I've seen them, and I need to get photographs.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: Stratuscaster on July 13, 2014, 10:19:51 PM
I grabbed a few photos recently myself...

(http://www.modernmopars.com/img/IL390/2014-07-12 18.18.52.jpg)

(http://www.modernmopars.com/img/IL390/2014-07-06 11.22.27.jpg)

(http://www.modernmopars.com/img/IL390/2014-07-06 11.31.25.jpg)

(http://www.modernmopars.com/img/IL390/2014-07-06 11.31.32.jpg)

(http://www.modernmopars.com/img/IL390/2014-07-06 11.38.44.jpg)

(http://www.modernmopars.com/img/IL390/2014-07-06 11.43.04.jpg)

(http://www.modernmopars.com/img/IL390/2014-07-12 18.22.23.jpg)
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: Henry on July 15, 2014, 02:38:41 PM
Seems to me that IL favors Interstate-style numbers for its state routes, like IL 394! Why they didn't make it into a future Interstate corridor, like other states do nowadays, is far beyond me.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: Joe The Dragon on July 15, 2014, 02:51:23 PM
Seems to me that IL favors Interstate-style numbers for its state routes, like IL 394! Why they didn't make it into a future Interstate corridor, like other states do nowadays, is far beyond me.
what will the tollway after they take over the road?  any ways many local ad's and news reports mix up the IL and I part.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: Brandon on July 15, 2014, 05:30:52 PM
^^ Well, there are VMSs that seem to call it "I-390" right now.  I don't know if this is just a mistake, or if this portends what the future may bring.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: Revive 755 on September 05, 2014, 09:05:10 PM
On WB Thorndale east of the I-290 interchange there's an IL 390 shield with some other sign I couldn't make out.  It's close to the interchange, but I can't recall if it was east or west of the Park Avenue intersection.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: Stratuscaster on September 07, 2014, 09:30:35 PM
BEGIN WEST IL-390, perhaps?

The "ELGIN-O'HARE" shields at the west-end intersections (Irving Park, Springinsguth, Wright, Rodenburg, Mitchell) have been replaced with IL-390 shields.
(http://www.modernmopars.com/roadgeek/il390_rodenburg.jpg)
(http://www.modernmopars.com/roadgeek/il390_wright.jpg)

IL-390 "cutouts" have also been added to many of the frontage road BGS on the west end as well.
(http://www.modernmopars.com/roadgeek/il390_mitchell.jpg)

TO IL-390 ground mounted signs are on I-290 at Thorndale:
(http://www.modernmopars.com/roadgeek/toil390_290.jpg)
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: ET21 on September 08, 2014, 08:53:59 PM
Saw them place the steel girders on one of the ramps. Always amazing to watch these massive things get welded into place
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: JoePCool14 on September 29, 2014, 10:31:35 PM
IDOT/ISTHA are too cheap to even replace the whole BGS signs. Also, anyone else notice that the IL390 shields have an odd spec?
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: mrsman on October 05, 2014, 07:20:20 AM

 :clap:

I appluad the use of a number on this highway.  I believe that every limited access highway (including parkways where trucks are restricted) should have a numbered designation, even if most people refer to a highway by name.  It is much easier to identify highways on maps with numbers. 

And for online and GPS maps, numbers often show up at much smaller zoom levels than names.

Long live IL-390!
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: silverback1065 on October 06, 2014, 05:15:06 PM

 :clap:

I appluad the use of a number on this highway.  I believe that every limited access highway (including parkways where trucks are restricted) should have a numbered designation, even if most people refer to a highway by name.  It is much easier to identify highways on maps with numbers. 

And for online and GPS maps, numbers often show up at much smaller zoom levels than names.

Long live IL-390!

I could not agree more, driving in the Chicago area (as a visitor) is so easy because of this!  I would have been so lost without numbers!
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: SSOWorld on October 06, 2014, 07:45:09 PM
You have the best of both worlds with the numbers.  Let the locals use the names :bigass: - NOTE: The old names where applicable, not the names applied by politicians (I'm looking at you Calumet Expressway, Northwest Tollway, etc.)
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: mrsman on October 13, 2014, 08:11:40 AM
You have the best of both worlds with the numbers.  Let the locals use the names :bigass: - NOTE: The old names where applicable, not the names applied by politicians (I'm looking at you Calumet Expressway, Northwest Tollway, etc.)

In theory, I agree with you.  But in Chicago, it seems that most of those political names have been used for so long that many of today's drivers don't even remember what the old names were.

Whereas in NYC, many of the renamings (RFK Bridge, Hugh Carey Tunnel) were done relatively recently and people still call them by their old names for the most part (Triboro Bridge, Brooklyn-Battery Tunnel).

And don't get me started on what CA (and some other states) do with regard to naming interchanges after police officers killed in the line of duty.  THese are people nobody heard of and nobody uses these names at all.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: Stratuscaster on October 24, 2014, 11:29:20 PM
IDOT/ISTHA are too cheap to even replace the whole BGS signs. Also, anyone else notice that the IL390 shields have an odd spec?
Too cheap, or being fiscally responsible?

No need to replace a perfectly good sign - many of them on the west end have the space for the shield - why not use it?

The IL-390 shields are more of a "Indiana-spec" than Illinois.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: ET21 on November 03, 2014, 12:01:03 AM
The steel beams are starting to be connected for the westbound I-290 to west IL-390 ramp, with a gantry and two boarded up signs already in place on the ramp
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: Revive 755 on November 06, 2014, 08:04:31 PM
There's a new arrow per lane sign on WB I-290 just north of the merge with I-355.  The rightmost part of the sign has a temporary panel for IL 390 West (I think with a 'TO'), but the permanent sign with a purple bit for I-PASS is slightly sticking out beneath the temporary panel.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: Stratuscaster on November 12, 2014, 08:32:43 PM
According to sign plans, it's supposed to look like this:
(http://www.modernmopars.com/roadgeek/IL390exit_NB290.png)

But that sign in the field seems much taller.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: Joe The Dragon on November 12, 2014, 10:18:01 PM
will they change them to I-pass only or pay online like the new I-57 to I-294 ones?
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: ET21 on November 13, 2014, 05:13:20 PM
will they change them to I-pass only or pay online like the new I-57 to I-294 ones?

Probably like what they did with Balmoral and Eola exits. I-pass only, maybe an extended grace period before the normal 7 day to pay back when it's open
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: Brandon on November 13, 2014, 05:19:34 PM
will they change them to I-pass only or pay online like the new I-57 to I-294 ones?

Probably like what they did with Balmoral and Eola exits. I-pass only, maybe an extended grace period before the normal 7 day to pay back when it's open

Took a little bit of it Wednesday evening.  There are now exit numbers up for Meacham and I-290 for the EOE eastbound between Roselle and Meacham.  The road itself looks nice now, and the bridge for IL-53 is fully operational.  No more signal there, and just one left for westbound traffic coming off northbound Route 53 (I-290) (other than the left turn).
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: Brandon on November 20, 2014, 03:55:22 PM
Drivers will pay $1.90 to travel 10-mile Elgin-O'Hare tollway (http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-tollway-elgin-ohare-tolls-met-20141120-story.html)

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Motorists who use the Elgin-O'Hare Expressway will pay as much as $1.90 to drive the full length when it is widened, extended and converted to a tollway in 2017.

The tolling plan for the recently designated Illinois Route 390 — the east-west portion of the Elgin O'Hare Western Access project — was announced by the Illinois Tollway during a meeting Thursday morning.

Quote
Tollway officials said they devised the tolling system for Route 390 because the roadway will have 31 entry and exit points, more than most other tollways.

The plan was to not discourage local residents and others from using Route 390 for short trips, Illinois Tollway Executive Director Kristi Lafleur said.

Tolls along 390 will range from 20 cents to 60 cents per transaction for I-Pass customers, the Tollway said.

Passenger vehicles traveling the full 10-mile length of Illinois Route 390 will pay $1.90.

There will be only one ramp toll charged, at the Ketter Drive entrance to westbound Route 390 in Itasca. That will be 25 cents for I-Pass customers.

Quote
A Tollway survey indicated 90 percent of drivers traveling in the Elgin-O'Hare corridor have I-Pass. Of those without I-Pass, nearly a quarter indicated they would obtain one to use the new road once it opens, officials said.

More than 87 percent of all tolls on the Tollway system are collected electronically, the agency said.

A very high percentage for a toll authority that still also collects cash tolls.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: Revive 755 on November 20, 2014, 08:52:34 PM
Drivers will pay $1.90 to travel 10-mile Elgin-O'Hare tollway (http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-tollway-elgin-ohare-tolls-met-20141120-story.html)

The article says this route would be the most expensive passenger car ride on the tollway system.  I'm getting a trip on I-355 from IL 7 to US 6 to come out to 50 cents per mile.

Also with there supposedly being only one tolled ramp, are they now going to allow free use of IL 390 from I-290 to Meacham Road?  Previous signing plans I've seen indicated that indicated that there was going to be a toll for that segment, but the map with the article has the toll collection for Segment 4 near Arlington Heights Road and the toll collection for Segment 5 west of Meacham Road (appears to be near the Plum Grove Road overpass).
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: I-39 on February 25, 2015, 12:23:15 PM
Why exactly is this not being built with six lanes? They are widening the existing segment between IL-19 and I-290 to six lanes, but they are building the extension AND the West bypass with only four?

They are going to have to come back and add a lane fairly soon after this opens.  :-|
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: ET21 on February 25, 2015, 05:04:34 PM
Why exactly is this not being built with six lanes? They are widening the existing segment between IL-19 and I-290 to six lanes, but they are building the extension AND the West bypass with only four?

They are going to have to come back and add a lane fairly soon after this opens.  :-|

Money lol
What will be interesting to see is if the section gets more traffic than they are thinking. 2 lanes between 290 and the triple point of O'Hare/294/90.... That's cutting it close
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: I-39 on February 25, 2015, 05:30:11 PM
Why exactly is this not being built with six lanes? They are widening the existing segment between IL-19 and I-290 to six lanes, but they are building the extension AND the West bypass with only four?

They are going to have to come back and add a lane fairly soon after this opens.  :-|

Money lol
What will be interesting to see is if the section gets more traffic than they are thinking. 2 lanes between 290 and the triple point of O'Hare/294/90.... That's cutting it close

Any Chicagoland limited access highway (freeway or tollway) needs to be six lanes at the bare minimum. I don't really know what these so called "planners" are thinking when they think they can get away with building this and IL-53 to four lanes (and it IL-53 case, to less than interstate standards).

There is going to be a lot of congestion on I-490 (the west bypass) when it opens.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: ajlynch91 on February 25, 2015, 06:50:06 PM
I was under the impression that the 390 project was going to be four lanes in each direction throughout, including the current section that only has two lanes.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: silverback1065 on February 25, 2015, 06:51:34 PM
I was under the impression that the 390 project was going to be four lanes in each direction throughout, including the current section that only has two lanes.

I believe that is correct
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: I-39 on February 25, 2015, 07:42:28 PM
I was under the impression that the 390 project was going to be four lanes in each direction throughout, including the current section that only has two lanes.

I believe that is correct

Source? I've only heard the current section will be widened to three lanes in each direction (from IL-19 east) and that the extension will only be two lanes in each direction (as well as the entire West bypass/I-490)
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: silverback1065 on February 25, 2015, 07:45:54 PM
I was under the impression that the 390 project was going to be four lanes in each direction throughout, including the current section that only has two lanes.

I believe that is correct

Source? I've only heard the current section will be widened to three lanes in each direction (from IL-19 east) and that the extension will only be two lanes in each direction (as well as the entire West bypass/I-490)
I don't have one. I worked on it as an inspector last summer for a short time and I thought I remembered them saying it would be 4 lanes, but I can't remember for sure.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: ajlynch91 on February 25, 2015, 07:49:20 PM
http://www.illinoistollway.com/construction-and-planning/projects-by-roadway/elgin-o-hare-western-access/eowa-corridor-overview

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The project includes:

Adding two lanes to the existing Elgin O'Hare Expressway between Illinois Route 19 and Meacham/Medinah Road and converting to a toll road with minor interchange improvements at Illinois Route 19 and Roselle Road and an improved interchange at Meacham/Medinah Road.
Extending the Elgin O'Hare Expressway east as a toll road. Constructing or improving interchanges at Illinois Route 53 (Rohlwing Road), I-290, Park Boulevard/Arlington Heights Road/Prospect Avenue, Wood Dale Road and Illinois Route 83.
Provide direct access to O'Hare Airport property from York Road via a new ramp crossing over York Road and the Union Pacific Railroad and Canadian Pacific Railway.
Enhance southern access to O'Hare via a new, four-lane Taft Avenue Connector between Illinois Route 19 and Franklin Avenue with a new crossing over the Bensenville Rail Yard.
Constructing a new toll road connecting I-90 and I-294 west of O'Hare. Constructing interchanges at I-294, County Line Road/Franklin Avenue, Illinois Route 19, the Elgin O'Hare extension, Illinois Route 72 and I-90.
Constructing a new, full-access interchange at I-90 and Elmhurst Road.
Providing new access at I-294 and Illinois Route 64 via County Line Road.
Accommodating express bus service in mixed traffic along the corridor. Bus service will be implemented by other agencies.


Check your sources...
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: I-39 on February 25, 2015, 09:29:10 PM
http://www.illinoistollway.com/construction-and-planning/projects-by-roadway/elgin-o-hare-western-access/eowa-corridor-overview

Quote
The project includes:

Adding two lanes to the existing Elgin O'Hare Expressway between Illinois Route 19 and Meacham/Medinah Road and converting to a toll road with minor interchange improvements at Illinois Route 19 and Roselle Road and an improved interchange at Meacham/Medinah Road.
Extending the Elgin O'Hare Expressway east as a toll road. Constructing or improving interchanges at Illinois Route 53 (Rohlwing Road), I-290, Park Boulevard/Arlington Heights Road/Prospect Avenue, Wood Dale Road and Illinois Route 83.
Provide direct access to O'Hare Airport property from York Road via a new ramp crossing over York Road and the Union Pacific Railroad and Canadian Pacific Railway.
Enhance southern access to O'Hare via a new, four-lane Taft Avenue Connector between Illinois Route 19 and Franklin Avenue with a new crossing over the Bensenville Rail Yard.
Constructing a new toll road connecting I-90 and I-294 west of O'Hare. Constructing interchanges at I-294, County Line Road/Franklin Avenue, Illinois Route 19, the Elgin O'Hare extension, Illinois Route 72 and I-90.
Constructing a new, full-access interchange at I-90 and Elmhurst Road.
Providing new access at I-294 and Illinois Route 64 via County Line Road.
Accommodating express bus service in mixed traffic along the corridor. Bus service will be implemented by other agencies.


Check your sources...

http://www.illinoistollway.com/documents/10157/4362305/EOWB+Advisory+Council+Final+Report.pdf (http://www.illinoistollway.com/documents/10157/4362305/EOWB+Advisory+Council+Final+Report.pdf) (see page 32-34)

It will only be four lanes (two in each direction), initially on the Elgin-O'Hare extension and the West bypass.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: ajlynch91 on February 25, 2015, 09:39:18 PM
So if I understand that correctly...they're going to add two lanes on the existing 390 and then build the new freeway with only two lanes east of 290? Tollway logic is an oxymoron.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: Revive 755 on February 25, 2015, 10:12:45 PM
^ A decent amount of traffic is supposed to exit at I-290.

I am curious as to how much through traffic IL 390 will actually attract east of I-290.  I-290 will be cheaper and more direct for traffic heading to either SB I-294 or EB I-90 and NB I-294.  For EB I-90 traffic to SB I-294, staying on I-90 to I-294 will also be cheaper at 65 cents versus the at least 95 cent toll for IL 390 (including the 30 cents to enter EB I-290 from EB I-90).

For I-490, I could see it drawing a decent amount of through traffic for the NB I-294 to WB I-90 movement and I-90 EB to I-294 SB unless the cost in tolls makes it much cheaper to stay on I-294 and I-90 (which currently run 75 cents).
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: Stratuscaster on February 25, 2015, 10:48:30 PM
You build the eastern half of IL-390 with 4 lanes, and then expand it as the need arises.

Until I-490 gets built, and until the western O'Hare entrance gets built, the eastern half of IL-390 is nothing more than a glorified Thorndale Avenue without stoplights. I wouldn't expect the traffic count to grow tremendously until one of those two items are built.

I cannot recall if the tolls on the western half of IL-390 will go live first, or if they are waiting for the entire length to be built.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: Revive 755 on February 26, 2015, 05:31:03 PM
Per this press release, (http://www.illinoistollway.com/documents/10157/15899/20141120+-+Illinois+Tollway+Unveils+Tolling+Plan+for+Illinois+Route+390+as+Part+of+the+Elgin+O%27Hare+Western+Access+Project) the tolls on IL 390 west of I-290 will start before anything east  of I-290 is opened.

Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: Stephane Dumas on March 02, 2015, 08:59:29 AM
I saw on Youtube, this timelapse video of IL-390/I-290 interchange.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: premier707 on March 23, 2015, 03:14:19 AM
According to the design schematics on the tollway website, the extension is only 2 lanes in each direction through the 290 interchange; a lane is dropped westbound after the 290 exits but is added back downstream, and eastbound the 3rd lane is dropped for 290 southbound but added back into the mainline from the second yet-to-be constructed flyover.  The west bypass (I-490) has always been planned with 2 lanes in each direction, but will also be constructed with a paved 30-foot 'shoulder' along the eastern side of the travel lanes, allegedly for future mass transit. 

Reducing lanes for initial construction isn't a bad idea.  As a previous poster noted, until I-490 (2020s) or the western terminal (2030s) are open there won't be hoards of traffic.  Like the western section, design accommodations will be made to allow future growth.

BTW I haven't heard an explanation for the exits/mileposts starting at 6.  Is the eastern terminus of the US20/Elgin Bypass 6 miles to the west?
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: 3467 on March 24, 2015, 12:04:28 AM
Yes it looks about 6 miles The ultimate plan in the 2040 plan does have the tollway connect
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: johndoe780 on March 24, 2015, 03:50:05 PM
Yes it looks about 6 miles The ultimate plan in the 2040 plan does have the tollway connect

I read that. The plan is to extend Elgin O'hare and make it start at Bartlett road. They should hurry this project up considering Cook county wants to extend Bartlett road to Oak ave and IDOT already owns most of the land to make this a reality. That's still not 6 miles, more like 3.

This leaves 3 traffic lights from the Elgin bypass to Elgin O'hare: Shales Parkway, Lambert lane, and Naperville Rd.

This year, IDOT finally has the interchange of lake street and 59 under construction.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: premier707 on March 24, 2015, 10:02:05 PM
There is a long-term plan to extend IL390 west, with an interchange at County Farm, then curve northwest to merge with Lake St/US20 at North Ave.  I'm not sure about ownership, but the ROW is clear.  Then US20 would be improved, but would supposedly remain with a few stoplights until the Bypass begins at Bluff City Blvd.  It is telling that the IDOT plan to improve the interchange at IL59 won't add stoplights to US20.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: Stratuscaster on March 24, 2015, 10:33:31 PM
...considering Cook county wants to extend Bartlett road to Oak ave...
WHICH Bartlett Road?

WEST Bartlett Road becomes Railroad Ave and meets Oak Ave in downtown Bartlett.
SOUTH Bartlett Road becomes Main St heading north to Railroad Ave, then a quick jog west to Oak Ave.
NORTH Bartlett Road ends at Lake St; a quick jog east gets you to Oak Ave.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: johndoe780 on March 24, 2015, 10:36:56 PM
...considering Cook county wants to extend Bartlett road to Oak ave...
WHICH Bartlett Road?

WEST Bartlett Road becomes Railroad Ave and meets Oak Ave in downtown Bartlett.
SOUTH Bartlett Road becomes Main St heading north to Railroad Ave, then a quick jog west to Oak Ave.
NORTH Bartlett Road ends at Lake St; a quick jog east gets you to Oak Ave.

Just plan ol' "Bartlett rd" which you're referring to as North Bartlett rd. I was at one of the town hall board meetings one time. I think the county is waiting on Elgin O'hare finishing westward or something.

If you look at a map. Bartlett rd currently ends at lake street. If you look south, there's literally nothing but cornfields, IDOT owns all that land. Cook county wants to extend bartlett rd south to intersect Oak ave, close to the fire station.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: johndoe780 on March 24, 2015, 10:46:50 PM
There is a long-term plan to extend IL390 west, with an interchange at County Farm, then curve northwest to merge with Lake St/US20 at North Ave.  I'm not sure about ownership, but the ROW is clear.  Then US20 would be improved, but would supposedly remain with a few stoplights until the Bypass begins at Bluff City Blvd.  It is telling that the IDOT plan to improve the interchange at IL59 won't add stoplights to US20.

Oh IDOT owns a ton of land in Bartlett, I'll tell you that for sure.
The 2040 go to plan says they want to extend elgin o'hare to Bartlett Rd, not North Ave, I'm not sure how it's going to be done, but IDOT owns all the land west of Oak ave south of Lake street already. If the ROW is already clear, I'm not quite sure why ITHSA can't start the project now. With their expensive $0.20 mile toll, shouldn't be too hard to find funding  :pan:

IDOT widened lake street from Oak ave. to Park Blvd. last year and did a horrible job. Lanes still don't seem wide enough to my liking and there's no eastbound right turn lane to Oak Ave. or westbound right turn lane to Bartlett Rd.

The 59 interchange won't add a stoplight. Currently, if you're going north on 59 and try to go east on lake street, you have to take a left turn before the underpass. Since IDOT owns the land east of 59 and south of lake street, they're going to make that the new eastbound entrance. Not sure what else they're going to do with the new $9 million interchange. But they're finally going to add right turn lanes at West Bartlett road and widen Irving Park road from Schaumburg road to Bartlett road in 2 separate projects this year. About damn time.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: CtrlAltDel on March 24, 2015, 10:47:18 PM
I took a trip out to the soon to be new 290-390 interchange, and I took some pictures. Things do seem to be progressing pretty well. Enjoy.

Here's looking west along 390 where the ramp from 290 northbound (or westbound or whatever) will link up with 390 westbound. You can also see the new ramp from 290 eastbound on the right.
(http://i60.tinypic.com/m74xdw.jpg)

This is the 290 northbound ramp. It's a bit more massive than I would have thought.
(http://i61.tinypic.com/6f18c5.jpg)

Here's the new Rohlwing Road overpass. Even now, it's kind of hard to believe there was an intersection here, and I used to use it every day.
(http://i57.tinypic.com/2q80mbn.jpg)

A soon to be useless street blade.
(http://i58.tinypic.com/241utrp.jpg)
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: Stratuscaster on March 26, 2015, 10:53:06 PM
...considering Cook county wants to extend Bartlett road to Oak ave...
WHICH Bartlett Road?

WEST Bartlett Road becomes Railroad Ave and meets Oak Ave in downtown Bartlett.
SOUTH Bartlett Road becomes Main St heading north to Railroad Ave, then a quick jog west to Oak Ave.
NORTH Bartlett Road ends at Lake St; a quick jog east gets you to Oak Ave.

Just plan ol' "Bartlett rd" which you're referring to as North Bartlett rd. I was at one of the town hall board meetings one time. I think the county is waiting on Elgin O'hare finishing westward or something.

If you look at a map. Bartlett rd currently ends at lake street. If you look south, there's literally nothing but cornfields, IDOT owns all that land. Cook county wants to extend bartlett rd south to intersect Oak ave, close to the fire station.
Thanks for the clarification. No need to look at a map; I'm from the area. ;)

If I recall the original plans, the EOE was set to go through that area - north of Eastview School, I think. Where Oak & Hickory meet, Oak was to get relocated to meet up with Bartlett Road at Lake Street.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: Stratuscaster on March 26, 2015, 10:55:48 PM
Here's the IDOT Study page for US-20/IL-59:
http://www.idot.illinois.gov/projects/US-20-IL-59-Reconstruction
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: johndoe780 on March 27, 2015, 09:51:35 AM
...considering Cook county wants to extend Bartlett road to Oak ave...
WHICH Bartlett Road?

WEST Bartlett Road becomes Railroad Ave and meets Oak Ave in downtown Bartlett.
SOUTH Bartlett Road becomes Main St heading north to Railroad Ave, then a quick jog west to Oak Ave.
NORTH Bartlett Road ends at Lake St; a quick jog east gets you to Oak Ave.

Just plan ol' "Bartlett rd" which you're referring to as North Bartlett rd. I was at one of the town hall board meetings one time. I think the county is waiting on Elgin O'hare finishing westward or something.

If you look at a map. Bartlett rd currently ends at lake street. If you look south, there's literally nothing but cornfields, IDOT owns all that land. Cook county wants to extend bartlett rd south to intersect Oak ave, close to the fire station.
Thanks for the clarification. No need to look at a map; I'm from the area. ;)

If I recall the original plans, the EOE was set to go through that area - north of Eastview School, I think. Where Oak & Hickory meet, Oak was to get relocated to meet up with Bartlett Road at Lake Street.

Here's the long term planning map from Bartlett.

http://www.village.bartlett.il.us/home/showdocument?id=438

You can see the Bartlett rd extension to Oak ave, Prospect ave intersecting with Lake street, and also the fair oaks rd extension from Army Trail to Gerber as well.

However, I'm confused about the EOE extension, is it separate from Lake street or is it Lake street? I really do hope ITHSA speeds this project up. I live just west of 59 and take EOE regularly and the intersection of Barrington and Lake street is a huge mess during rush hour. Bartlett's seen a huge uptick in traffic ever since Stearns rd bridge and red gate rd bridge were completed a few years ago.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: I-39 on March 27, 2015, 10:23:59 PM
Last I heard, the Elgin-O'Hare will only be a surface street between the Elgin bypass and North Ave, it will not be a fully access controlled facility, with the exception of the IL-59 interchange.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: Joe The Dragon on March 28, 2015, 12:23:20 PM
Last I heard, the Elgin-O'Hare will only be a surface street between the Elgin bypass and North Ave, it will not be a fully access controlled facility, with the exception of the IL-59 interchange.

They should be able to do RIRO with a few overpass on parts on US-20
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: Stratuscaster on March 28, 2015, 04:18:03 PM
Here's the long term planning map from Bartlett.

http://www.village.bartlett.il.us/home/showdocument?id=438

You can see the Bartlett rd extension to Oak ave, Prospect ave intersecting with Lake street, and also the fair oaks rd extension from Army Trail to Gerber as well.

However, I'm confused about the EOE extension, is it separate from Lake street or is it Lake street? I really do hope ITHSA speeds this project up. I live just west of 59 and take EOE regularly and the intersection of Barrington and Lake street is a huge mess during rush hour. Bartlett's seen a huge uptick in traffic ever since Stearns rd bridge and red gate rd bridge were completed a few years ago.
Thanks for the map. Interesting - I hadn't seen the plan for Prospect Ave meeting up with Park Ave in Streamwood.

Looks like the proposed EOE would effectively replace Lake Street from between Park Ave and North Ave west - presumably to link up with the US-20 Elgin Bypass. That's a lot of private property to buy in that corridor. More so west of IL-59 - like at Naperville/Elizabeth where the new Elgin Toyota is going in.

If the plan is to "parkway" that section instead of full expressway, it'll still be backed up.

Barrington Rd from Lake Street north to I-90 is a huge mess, for what that's worth - and always has been.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: johndoe780 on March 28, 2015, 06:24:16 PM
Here's the long term planning map from Bartlett.

http://www.village.bartlett.il.us/home/showdocument?id=438

You can see the Bartlett rd extension to Oak ave, Prospect ave intersecting with Lake street, and also the fair oaks rd extension from Army Trail to Gerber as well.

However, I'm confused about the EOE extension, is it separate from Lake street or is it Lake street? I really do hope ITHSA speeds this project up. I live just west of 59 and take EOE regularly and the intersection of Barrington and Lake street is a huge mess during rush hour. Bartlett's seen a huge uptick in traffic ever since Stearns rd bridge and red gate rd bridge were completed a few years ago.
Thanks for the map. Interesting - I hadn't seen the plan for Prospect Ave meeting up with Park Ave in Streamwood.

Looks like the proposed EOE would effectively replace Lake Street from between Park Ave and North Ave west - presumably to link up with the US-20 Elgin Bypass. That's a lot of private property to buy in that corridor. More so west of IL-59 - like at Naperville/Elizabeth where the new Elgin Toyota is going in.

If the plan is to "parkway" that section instead of full expressway, it'll still be backed up.

Barrington Rd from Lake Street north to I-90 is a huge mess, for what that's worth - and always has been.

If they had made Barrington road from Lake to I-90 6 lanes like what they were planning on doing so many years ago, maybe it wouldn't be such a mess. Too many angry NIMBYs when they were planning it.They finally fixed Barrington and Schaumburg road by adding dual left hand turn lanes, and IDOT is planning on doing it to Irving Park and Barrington road this year.

Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: dietermoreno on April 14, 2015, 02:17:13 PM
The future is here.  I predicted this would happen.  You can now opt in as a beta tester to pay tollway tolls with an Android or Apple smart phone GPS tracking app instead of paying online.  Details have not been released by the tollway yet such as if cash plazas will be torn down and replaced with smart phone toll lanes or if smart phone tolls will pay the same as iPass pays or if smart phone tolls will be implimented on the Elgin O'hare Expressway and the Rt 53 extension, if it is ever built.

   I think this is a privacy concern though.  I see this as a way for an NSA backdoor into GPS tracking of all citizens once smart phone tracking is mandatory of all tollway driving citizens once iPass stops being used for tolls like paper cash is on its way out for tolls.  Only blackberry is secure from NSA backdoors to GPS tracking, and the tollway hasn't even developed a blackberry app yet or said if they ever will develop a blackberry app.

Would you pay tolls with a smart phone possibly starting next year on the Elgin-O'hare (which is not planned to accept cash) even at the risk of an NSA backdoor?  I would rather use local roads over leaving an NSA backdoor.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-tollway-apps-met-20141218-story.html (http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-tollway-apps-met-20141218-story.html)
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: Joe The Dragon on April 14, 2015, 03:18:16 PM
Ok now add tolling points to each ramp or make the other ones like the EOE with meany tolling points on the main line. Or keep the cash ramps and booths and add more tolling points like how the EOE is setup and do some kind of virtual ticket system.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: ET21 on April 14, 2015, 05:39:44 PM
The future is here.  I predicted this would happen.  You can now opt in as a beta tester to pay tollway tolls with an Android or Apple smart phone GPS tracking app instead of paying online.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-tollway-apps-met-20141218-story.html (http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-tollway-apps-met-20141218-story.html)

They've had a test gantry with all the sensors on I-294 North at Touhy Ave since the holidays
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: I-39 on May 19, 2015, 11:07:48 AM
Honestly, the more I think about this, the more I realize how pointless this project is right now. This project really won't be necessary until the Western Terminal is built at O'Hare (which who knows when that will happen). Plus, they are only build the extension and the west bypass with four lanes (two in each direction), so this will become congested very quickly. I agree it should be built, but not now.

When planning Move Illinois, ISTHA should have focused on building the Route 53 extension (which is way more necessary) and reconstructing the I-90/I-290/IL-53 interchange instead of building the EOWA, in addition to the other projects (such as the I-294/57 interchange and rebuilding and widening the Jane Addams Tollway)
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: Henry on May 19, 2015, 12:00:21 PM
Honestly, the more I think about this, the more I realize how pointless this project is right now. This project really won't be necessary until the Western Terminal is built at O'Hare (which who knows when that will happen). Plus, they are only build the extension and the west bypass with four lanes (two in each direction), so this will become congested very quickly. I agree it should be built, but not now.

When planning Move Illinois, ISTHA should have focused on building the Route 53 extension (which is way more necessary) and reconstructing the I-90/I-290/IL-53 interchange instead of building the EOWA, in addition to the other projects (such as the I-294/57 interchange and rebuilding and widening the Jane Addams Tollway)
With O'Hare being one of the largest airports in the world, building a four-lane highway simply won't do; I would've gone for six instead. And I'm suspecting that the western bypass will actually use the IL 490 designation instead of I-490 (especially if IL 390 is extended there).
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: Joe The Dragon on May 19, 2015, 12:10:54 PM
Honestly, the more I think about this, the more I realize how pointless this project is right now. This project really won't be necessary until the Western Terminal is built at O'Hare (which who knows when that will happen). Plus, they are only build the extension and the west bypass with four lanes (two in each direction), so this will become congested very quickly. I agree it should be built, but not now.

When planning Move Illinois, ISTHA should have focused on building the Route 53 extension (which is way more necessary) and reconstructing the I-90/I-290/IL-53 interchange instead of building the EOWA, in addition to the other projects (such as the I-294/57 interchange and rebuilding and widening the Jane Addams Tollway)
With O'Hare being one of the largest airports in the world, building a four-lane highway simply won't do; I would've gone for six instead. And I'm suspecting that the western bypass will actually use the IL 490 designation instead of I-490 (especially if IL 390 is extended there).

Well without the Western Terminal (airlines don't' want it) Westen bypass is more of a long ramp for I-90 to I-294 with a few local exits and EOE link 2 + Aux each way may be fine to start and can go to get 3+aux or 4 each way when needed.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: ChiMilNet on May 20, 2015, 12:12:21 AM
Honestly, the more I think about this, the more I realize how pointless this project is right now. This project really won't be necessary until the Western Terminal is built at O'Hare (which who knows when that will happen). Plus, they are only build the extension and the west bypass with four lanes (two in each direction), so this will become congested very quickly. I agree it should be built, but not now.

When planning Move Illinois, ISTHA should have focused on building the Route 53 extension (which is way more necessary) and reconstructing the I-90/I-290/IL-53 interchange instead of building the EOWA, in addition to the other projects (such as the I-294/57 interchange and rebuilding and widening the Jane Addams Tollway)
With O'Hare being one of the largest airports in the world, building a four-lane highway simply won't do; I would've gone for six instead. And I'm suspecting that the western bypass will actually use the IL 490 designation instead of I-490 (especially if IL 390 is extended there).

Well without the Western Terminal (airlines don't' want it) Westen bypass is more of a long ramp for I-90 to I-294 with a few local exits and EOE link 2 + Aux each way may be fine to start and can go to get 3+aux or 4 each way when needed.

Honestly,  based on Illinois' History with this sort of thing, I find it rather refreshing that there is some sort of planning ahead for once. The fact is, it IS much cheaper now to build a tollway that can be upgraded in the future than to wait and build something from scratch way past when it's needed... Hence what we have with the IL 53 Extension.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: hobsini2 on May 20, 2015, 02:26:08 PM
Honestly, the more I think about this, the more I realize how pointless this project is right now. This project really won't be necessary until the Western Terminal is built at O'Hare (which who knows when that will happen). Plus, they are only build the extension and the west bypass with four lanes (two in each direction), so this will become congested very quickly. I agree it should be built, but not now.

When planning Move Illinois, ISTHA should have focused on building the Route 53 extension (which is way more necessary) and reconstructing the I-90/I-290/IL-53 interchange instead of building the EOWA, in addition to the other projects (such as the I-294/57 interchange and rebuilding and widening the Jane Addams Tollway)
I disagree I-39. As someone who regularly drives in that area by O'Hare, I can tell you that Thorndale Ave is just as busy as Irving Park Rd (Route 19) and Higgins Rd (Route 72). People use Thorndale because Irving is so bad and narrows to 2 lanes in Itasca. The east extension of the EOE with or without the west terminal is vital.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: billtm on May 20, 2015, 09:47:18 PM
Has it ever been considered that along with the highway around the airport, there would be a tunnel from the intersection of Thorndale and York to I-190. :hmmm:
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: ChiMilNet on May 20, 2015, 11:26:10 PM
Has it ever been considered that along with the highway around the airport, there would be a tunnel from the intersection of Thorndale and York to I-190. :hmmm:

As much as I love this idea (and actually from looking at map, it would geographically make sense), this is probably a pipe dream at best. Though, I noticed how there was a tollway built through the middle the DFW Airport in Dallas with some small tunnels, and it is nice to have that option to cut through there to save time, albeit at a cost. Honestly, even if they had to charge an exorbitant toll, people would likely use it here. I get the feeling too many factors at work that would prevent this though.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: mgk920 on May 21, 2015, 12:27:33 AM
Has it ever been considered that along with the highway around the airport, there would be a tunnel from the intersection of Thorndale and York to I-190. :hmmm:

As much as I love this idea (and actually from looking at map, it would geographically make sense), this is probably a pipe dream at best. Though, I noticed how there was a tollway built through the middle the DFW Airport in Dallas with some small tunnels, and it is nice to have that option to cut through there to save time, albeit at a cost. Honestly, even if they had to charge an exorbitant toll, people would likely use it here. I get the feeling too many factors at work that would prevent this though.

There are 'middle-burner' proposals to extend the CTA Blue Line that way to at least the Woodfield area and there is provision for such an extension in the line's O'Hare terminal.

Mike
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: Joe The Dragon on May 21, 2015, 11:07:55 AM
Has it ever been considered that along with the highway around the airport, there would be a tunnel from the intersection of Thorndale and York to I-190. :hmmm:

As much as I love this idea (and actually from looking at map, it would geographically make sense), this is probably a pipe dream at best. Though, I noticed how there was a tollway built through the middle the DFW Airport in Dallas with some small tunnels, and it is nice to have that option to cut through there to save time, albeit at a cost. Honestly, even if they had to charge an exorbitant toll, people would likely use it here. I get the feeling too many factors at work that would prevent this though.

There are 'middle-burner' proposals to extend the CTA Blue Line that way to at least the Woodfield area and there is provision for such an extension in the line's O'Hare terminal.

Mike

DFW airport uses the toll gates as parking pay system as well.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: Revive 755 on May 21, 2015, 05:30:25 PM
There are 'middle-burner' proposals to extend the CTA Blue Line that way to at least the Woodfield area and there is provision for such an extension in the line's O'Hare terminal.

Mike

The Elgin O'Hare is supposed to be built - rebuilt for the existing sections - with provisions for a future transit line down the middle as well.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: johndoe780 on May 21, 2015, 07:14:07 PM
There are 'middle-burner' proposals to extend the CTA Blue Line that way to at least the Woodfield area and there is provision for such an extension in the line's O'Hare terminal.

Mike

The Elgin O'Hare is supposed to be built - rebuilt for the existing sections - with provisions for a future transit line down the middle as well.

I'm under the impression that there were 2 plans on doing this.

Blue line running through 90 west to get to Woodfield

or

Blue line running through thorndale/elgin o'hare west then turning north to get to Woodfield.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: thenetwork on May 22, 2015, 12:22:37 PM

There are 'middle-burner' proposals to extend the CTA Blue Line that way to at least the Woodfield area and there is provision for such an extension in the line's O'Hare terminal.

Mike

There have been recent attempts to move the blue line west past O'Hare, but they don't get too far:



Sorry, I couldn't resist.    :rofl:
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: Stephane Dumas on May 22, 2015, 06:01:50 PM

There are 'middle-burner' proposals to extend the CTA Blue Line that way to at least the Woodfield area and there is provision for such an extension in the line's O'Hare terminal.

Mike

There have been recent attempts to move the blue line west past O'Hare, but they don't get too far:



Sorry, I couldn't resist.    :rofl:

That reminds me of the ending scene from the movie "Silver Streak".  The crash at the ending movie was set in Chicago but was filmed in Toronto.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: hobsini2 on May 24, 2015, 03:07:01 PM
There are 'middle-burner' proposals to extend the CTA Blue Line that way to at least the Woodfield area and there is provision for such an extension in the line's O'Hare terminal.

Mike

The Elgin O'Hare is supposed to be built - rebuilt for the existing sections - with provisions for a future transit line down the middle as well.
Are you sure? I remember the Metra STAR is supposed to be along I-90 from about Elgin to O'Hare.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: Rick Powell on May 24, 2015, 04:01:46 PM
Are you sure? I remember the Metra STAR is supposed to be along I-90 from about Elgin to O'Hare.

The STAR line is about as dormant as any other project in the area.  The current thinking is to allow express bus service on I-90 in the near term, and if the STAR concept ever proves feasible, it could be done via lane conversion.  I would estimate, "not in our lifetime" at this point.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: I-39 on May 24, 2015, 04:38:56 PM
I would estimate, "not in our lifetime" at this point.

Which is basically a less pessimistic way of saying it will never happen.


Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: hobsini2 on May 24, 2015, 05:16:29 PM
Oh I can see the Joliet to Elgin part of the STAR happening soon. At the very least, as a connector spur in small segments to other lines to start especially in the Naperville/Aurora area along the EJ&E line. Think along the terms of the McHenry Connector to Crystal Lake.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: I-39 on May 24, 2015, 08:52:36 PM
Oh I can see the Joliet to Elgin part of the STAR happening soon. At the very least, as a connector spur in small segments to other lines to start especially in the Naperville/Aurora area along the EJ&E line. Think along the terms of the McHenry Connector to Crystal Lake.

Won't happen. Canadian National Railway won't allow Metra service. I posted on this in the transit section a while back.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: hobsini2 on May 25, 2015, 12:41:03 PM
Do you have the link for that? The CN is dumb if they don't take the subsidy they would get for Metra using their lines.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: Brandon on May 25, 2015, 01:32:23 PM
Do you have the link for that? The CN is dumb if they don't take the subsidy they would get for Metra using their lines.

The CN pulls the same stunt on the Heritage Corridor line between Union Station Chicago and Union Station Joliet.  Metra had to pull teeth to even get three inbound trains in the morning, and three outbound trains in the afternoon.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: I-39 on May 25, 2015, 01:39:29 PM
Do you have the link for that? The CN is dumb if they don't take the subsidy they would get for Metra using their lines.

https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=14715.0 (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=14715.0)

I should clarify that I posted about wishing the STAR line would be built, and someone else posted about the Canadian National Railway not allowing it.

I don't think any train service was planned for IL-390, just a future widening from four to six lanes with a wide inside shoulder for buses.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: johndoe780 on May 25, 2015, 02:09:34 PM
Do you have the link for that? The CN is dumb if they don't take the subsidy they would get for Metra using their lines.

https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=14715.0 (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=14715.0)

I should clarify that I posted about wishing the STAR line would be built, and someone else posted about the Canadian National Railway not allowing it.

I don't think any train service was planned for IL-390, just a future widening from four to six lanes with a wide inside shoulder for buses.

I would rather take a blue line that goes to Woodfield (and maybe farther west to Hoffman estates, Elgin, etc.) than the STAR line which is now impossible.

If the blue line started at say, 59 and 90, and went all the way to o'hare and downtown do you have any idea how much friggen traffic will be taken off the roads?
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: Stratuscaster on May 25, 2015, 06:20:03 PM
As much as would be added to other roads for folks getting to the Park & Ride at 59 & 90? ;)
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: Brandon on May 25, 2015, 07:00:23 PM
Do you have the link for that? The CN is dumb if they don't take the subsidy they would get for Metra using their lines.

https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=14715.0 (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=14715.0)

I should clarify that I posted about wishing the STAR line would be built, and someone else posted about the Canadian National Railway not allowing it.

I don't think any train service was planned for IL-390, just a future widening from four to six lanes with a wide inside shoulder for buses.

I would rather take a blue line that goes to Woodfield (and maybe farther west to Hoffman estates, Elgin, etc.) than the STAR line which is now impossible.

If the blue line started at say, 59 and 90, and went all the way to o'hare and downtown do you have any idea how much friggen traffic will be taken off the roads?

Not much, if any.  It's nice to have mass transit, but if it stops over a mile from your office with no other way to get there, it's useless.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: I-39 on May 25, 2015, 09:48:11 PM
So getting back to the Elgin-O'Hare Tollway, do you think the western loop around Ontarioville to North Avenue is necessary, and do you think it will ever be built?

I wonder why the Elgin part wasn't constructed initially in 1993, was there opposition to that segment as well?
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: Stratuscaster on May 26, 2015, 12:34:03 AM
I think it was more the fact that there was no funding at the time to build it.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: johndoe780 on May 26, 2015, 11:59:12 AM
Do you have the link for that? The CN is dumb if they don't take the subsidy they would get for Metra using their lines.

https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=14715.0 (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=14715.0)

I should clarify that I posted about wishing the STAR line would be built, and someone else posted about the Canadian National Railway not allowing it.

I don't think any train service was planned for IL-390, just a future widening from four to six lanes with a wide inside shoulder for buses.

I would rather take a blue line that goes to Woodfield (and maybe farther west to Hoffman estates, Elgin, etc.) than the STAR line which is now impossible.

If the blue line started at say, 59 and 90, and went all the way to o'hare and downtown do you have any idea how much friggen traffic will be taken off the roads?

Not much, if any.  It's nice to have mass transit, but if it stops over a mile from your office with no other way to get there, it's useless.

I imagine a good chunk of people are on 90 going to woodfield, ohare of going downtown. However this "blue line" is just a dream. I'm just happy they're rebuilding 90 to include proper entrance/exits. Should take a huge amount of traffic off local roads like Alqonquin, Higgins, Golf, etc.

As far as Elgin O'hare, Idot owns all the land westward. Who knows when or if they expand it westwards. Hopefully soon, areas west of Randall are developing fast and it's leading to a large amount of traffic on Lake street.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: hobsini2 on May 26, 2015, 05:51:33 PM
Do you have the link for that? The CN is dumb if they don't take the subsidy they would get for Metra using their lines.

https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=14715.0 (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=14715.0)

I should clarify that I posted about wishing the STAR line would be built, and someone else posted about the Canadian National Railway not allowing it.

I don't think any train service was planned for IL-390, just a future widening from four to six lanes with a wide inside shoulder for buses.

I would rather take a blue line that goes to Woodfield (and maybe farther west to Hoffman estates, Elgin, etc.) than the STAR line which is now impossible.

If the blue line started at say, 59 and 90, and went all the way to o'hare and downtown do you have any idea how much friggen traffic will be taken off the roads?

Not much, if any.  It's nice to have mass transit, but if it stops over a mile from your office with no other way to get there, it's useless.

I imagine a good chunk of people are on 90 going to woodfield, ohare of going downtown. However this "blue line" is just a dream. I'm just happy they're rebuilding 90 to include proper entrance/exits. Should take a huge amount of traffic off local roads like Alqonquin, Higgins, Golf, etc.

As far as Elgin O'hare, Idot owns all the land westward. Who knows when or if they expand it westwards. Hopefully soon, areas west of Randall are developing fast and it's leading to a large amount of traffic on Lake street.
Also, keep in mind that there is already an existing Metra line to go Downtown from Elgin. I would like to see the numbers on that line first before thinking of extending the Blue Line to Elgin.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: Quimby on May 27, 2015, 11:44:57 AM
Do you have the link for that? The CN is dumb if they don't take the subsidy they would get for Metra using their lines.

https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=14715.0 (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=14715.0)

I should clarify that I posted about wishing the STAR line would be built, and someone else posted about the Canadian National Railway not allowing it.

I don't think any train service was planned for IL-390, just a future widening from four to six lanes with a wide inside shoulder for buses.

I would rather take a blue line that goes to Woodfield (and maybe farther west to Hoffman estates, Elgin, etc.) than the STAR line which is now impossible.

If the blue line started at say, 59 and 90, and went all the way to o'hare and downtown do you have any idea how much friggen traffic will be taken off the roads?

The Jane Addams reconstruction project will include new park and ride stations at Randall Rd, Rte 25, and Barrington Rd with express Pace bus routes running along the I-90 shoulder from Randall Rd to the Woodfield area and the River Rd blue line station.   

http://www.illinoistollway.com/construction-and-planning/projects-by-roadway/jane-addams-memorial-tollway-i-90/i-90-corridor-overview

http://www.illinoistollway.com/documents/10157/f67d3910-789e-4c5a-8f90-f3be553b66eb

http://www.illinoistollway.com/documents/10157/d21d67b7-7539-42e5-bb78-69e27a406db4

This should be functionally comparable to a Blue Line extension along I-90 all the way to Randall Rd.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: ChiMilNet on June 16, 2015, 11:19:54 PM
Do you have the link for that? The CN is dumb if they don't take the subsidy they would get for Metra using their lines.

https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=14715.0 (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=14715.0)

I should clarify that I posted about wishing the STAR line would be built, and someone else posted about the Canadian National Railway not allowing it.

I don't think any train service was planned for IL-390, just a future widening from four to six lanes with a wide inside shoulder for buses.

I would rather take a blue line that goes to Woodfield (and maybe farther west to Hoffman estates, Elgin, etc.) than the STAR line which is now impossible.

If the blue line started at say, 59 and 90, and went all the way to o'hare and downtown do you have any idea how much friggen traffic will be taken off the roads?

The Jane Addams reconstruction project will include new park and ride stations at Randall Rd, Rte 25, and Barrington Rd with express Pace bus routes running along the I-90 shoulder from Randall Rd to the Woodfield area and the River Rd blue line station.   

http://www.illinoistollway.com/construction-and-planning/projects-by-roadway/jane-addams-memorial-tollway-i-90/i-90-corridor-overview

http://www.illinoistollway.com/documents/10157/f67d3910-789e-4c5a-8f90-f3be553b66eb

http://www.illinoistollway.com/documents/10157/d21d67b7-7539-42e5-bb78-69e27a406db4

This should be functionally comparable to a Blue Line extension along I-90 all the way to Randall Rd.

Getting back on track, I'm not too sure the traffic count west of Irving Park Road, but wouldn't it make sense to widen the entire existing stretch out to Lake Street (US Route 20)?
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: Stratuscaster on June 18, 2015, 12:07:41 AM
Not until it goes past US 20. The traffic counts drop quite a bit after IL-19 and Gary Ave, last I checked.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: johndoe780 on June 18, 2015, 09:35:27 PM
So getting back to the Elgin-O'Hare Tollway, do you think the western loop around Ontarioville to North Avenue is necessary, and do you think it will ever be built?

I wonder why the Elgin part wasn't constructed initially in 1993, was there opposition to that segment as well?

I really wish ITHSA would get their shit together and push it towards Elgin already, especially since they already own most of the ROW. Being in Bartlett, Brewster creek business park is booming and with that a ton of truck traffic is being brought in through local roads. I would want Elgin O'hare to expand westward for this reason alone: this business park!
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: Desert Man on June 18, 2015, 10:03:55 PM
I looked at a map of the tollway (Illinois Tollway's web site) and stare route 390 is not long. And reading the thread, the tollway is incomplete at this time. Elgin is a city in both Cook and Kane counties, both served by county seats Chicago (the US' 3rd largest city) and Aurora (IL's 2nd largest in population). Kane county with Aurora as its hub has grown alot over half a century. It should need more highways, be it "free" way or "toll" way. I noticed there's no North-South freeway from Elgin connecting with I-90 down to Aurora connecting with I-88.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: johndoe780 on June 18, 2015, 10:07:26 PM
I looked at a map of the tollway (Illinois Tollway's web site) and stare route 390 is not long. And reading the thread, the tollway is incomplete at this time. Elgin is a city in both Cook and Kane counties, both served by county seats Chicago (the US' 3rd largest city) and Aurora (IL's 2nd largest in population). Kane county with Aurora as its hub has grown alot over half a century. It should need more highways, be it "free" way or "toll" way. I noticed there's no North-South freeway from Elgin connecting with I-90 down to Aurora connecting with I-88.

You can thank the NIBY'ers for that.

Google Fox Valley freeway.

Granted, it wouldn't go through either Elgin or Aurora, it would be right next door.

However, you can get from Elgin to Aurora decently quick on Randall Road. From 90 to the end of Randall would take almost 35-40 minutes.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: Brandon on June 19, 2015, 06:42:42 AM
I looked at a map of the tollway (Illinois Tollway's web site) and stare route 390 is not long. And reading the thread, the tollway is incomplete at this time. Elgin is a city in both Cook and Kane counties, both served by county seats Chicago (the US' 3rd largest city) and Aurora (IL's 2nd largest in population). Kane county with Aurora as its hub has grown alot over half a century. It should need more highways, be it "free" way or "toll" way. I noticed there's no North-South freeway from Elgin connecting with I-90 down to Aurora connecting with I-88.

Aurora is not a county seat, and is served by county seats in Geneva (Kane), Yorkville (Kendall), Wheaton (DuPage), and Joliet (Will).  Of the four major satellite cities, only Joliet and Waukegan (Lake) are county seats.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: sipes23 on June 19, 2015, 10:36:23 AM
However, you can get from Elgin to Aurora decently quick on Randall Road. From 90 to the end of Randall would take almost 35-40 minutes.

At what time? Sorry, my Randall Road hate is coming out. I see what's happened on that road and always think about what could have been done to make it less of a mess.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: Desert Man on June 19, 2015, 10:47:33 AM
I looked at a map of the tollway (Illinois Tollway's web site) and stare route 390 is not long. And reading the thread, the tollway is incomplete at this time. Elgin is a city in both Cook and Kane counties, both served by county seats Chicago (the US' 3rd largest city) and Aurora (IL's 2nd largest in population). Kane county with Aurora as its hub has grown alot over half a century. It should need more highways, be it "free" way or "toll" way. I noticed there's no North-South freeway from Elgin connecting with I-90 down to Aurora connecting with I-88.

Aurora is not a county seat, and is served by county seats in Geneva (Kane), Yorkville (Kendall), Wheaton (DuPage), and Joliet (Will).  Of the four major satellite cities, only Joliet and Waukegan (Lake) are county seats.

Thanx for clarification, from someone who lives in Joilet. I would know more about my surroundings in southern CA than "Chicagoland", ROFL. The Naperville area or Dupage county has 100s of golf courses, comparable to the desert resorts of Palm Springs area in Riverside county. According to locals, my hometown Indio is the 2nd county seat of Riverside county after Riverside, due to county offices in Indio to administer 70-some miles away.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: johndoe780 on June 19, 2015, 01:16:07 PM
However, you can get from Elgin to Aurora decently quick on Randall Road. From 90 to the end of Randall would take almost 35-40 minutes.

At what time? Sorry, my Randall Road hate is coming out. I see what's happened on that road and always think about what could have been done to make it less of a mess.

Randall's not that bad. KDOT is kicking arse lately. They're already looking at widening to 6 lanes.

Hopefully those longmeadow parkway NIMBY'ers will shut up and build the damn bridge.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: Revive 755 on June 19, 2015, 09:38:40 PM
Randall's not that bad. KDOT is kicking arse lately. They're already looking at widening to 6 lanes.

I'm guessing you haven't been on Randall on the weekends lately.

I haven't heard of six laning Randall in Kane County except in long-range plans - only plans for signal upgrades and transit signal priority.

Hopefully those longmeadow parkway NIMBY'ers will shut up and build the damn bridge.

Rumor has it Longmeadow is going forward until a court orders otherwise or Kane County runs into trouble acquiring the necessary ROW.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: johndoe780 on June 19, 2015, 09:55:14 PM
Randall's not that bad. KDOT is kicking arse lately. They're already looking at widening to 6 lanes.

I'm guessing you haven't been on Randall on the weekends lately.

I haven't heard of six laning Randall in Kane County except in long-range plans - only plans for signal upgrades and transit signal priority.

Hopefully those longmeadow parkway NIMBY'ers will shut up and build the damn bridge.

Rumor has it Longmeadow is going forward until a court orders otherwise or Kane County runs into trouble acquiring the necessary ROW.

Nope, I usually don't go on Randall on weekends. But on weekdays, I could really fly down Randall, especially between South Elgin and Batavia.

Stupid NIMBY'ers. Longmeadow is a MUCH needed bridge in northern kane county. I think KDOT even received funding from the state, surprisingly, so now it doesn't have to be a toll bridge.

Bottom line, I have much more faith in KDOT in fixing shit than IDOT. Stearns road has been built for 5 years, only last year did IDOT get off its lazy ass and start widening its section of 25.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: Rick Powell on June 20, 2015, 02:39:13 PM

Stupid NIMBY'ers. Longmeadow is a MUCH needed bridge in northern kane county. I think KDOT even received funding from the state, surprisingly, so now it doesn't have to be a toll bridge.


I was at a recent meeting with Kane County, and they were talking about Longmeadow.  It'll still be a toll bridge (they did get some money programmed from IDOT in the new 6 year plan, but not enough to offset the total cost), and they have worked out the details with ISTHA's I-Pass for compatibility.  There is a flyover video on YouTube that shows it in detail.     

www.youtube.com/watch?v=-RHF7biwi9U

Here's an article on the funding, which states they are still planning for tolls to accommodate paying off the construction bonds.

http://www.kcchronicle.com/2015/05/15/state-comes-through-with-longmeadow-parkway-funding/ahfy9ar/
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: johndoe780 on June 20, 2015, 05:06:05 PM

Stupid NIMBY'ers. Longmeadow is a MUCH needed bridge in northern kane county. I think KDOT even received funding from the state, surprisingly, so now it doesn't have to be a toll bridge.


I was at a recent meeting with Kane County, and they were talking about Longmeadow.  It'll still be a toll bridge (they did get some money programmed from IDOT in the new 6 year plan, but not enough to offset the total cost), and they have worked out the details with ISTHA's I-Pass for compatibility.  There is a flyover video on YouTube that shows it in detail.     

www.youtube.com/watch?v=-RHF7biwi9U

Here's an article on the funding, which states they are still planning for tolls to accommodate paying off the construction bonds.

http://www.kcchronicle.com/2015/05/15/state-comes-through-with-longmeadow-parkway-funding/ahfy9ar/

It's possible. There may or may not be tolls. Honestly, if the NIBYer's stopped whinning and if this project was done 10-15 years ago, there wouldn't be a need for tolls. These guys are literally ruining all the roads around here and inflating the cost for future generations. 53 extension, fox valley freeway, Prarie parkway, etc.

http://kanecountyconnects.com/2015/05/idots-8-4-billion-plan-includes-63-million-for-longmeadow-parkway/
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: I-39 on June 21, 2015, 09:17:13 PM
Randall's not that bad. KDOT is kicking arse lately. They're already looking at widening to 6 lanes.

I'm guessing you haven't been on Randall on the weekends lately.

I haven't heard of six laning Randall in Kane County except in long-range plans - only plans for signal upgrades and transit signal priority.

Hopefully those longmeadow parkway NIMBY'ers will shut up and build the damn bridge.

Rumor has it Longmeadow is going forward until a court orders otherwise or Kane County runs into trouble acquiring the necessary ROW.

Nope, I usually don't go on Randall on weekends. But on weekdays, I could really fly down Randall, especially between South Elgin and Batavia.

Stupid NIMBY'ers. Longmeadow is a MUCH needed bridge in northern kane county. I think KDOT even received funding from the state, surprisingly, so now it doesn't have to be a toll bridge.

Bottom line, I have much more faith in KDOT in fixing shit than IDOT. Stearns road has been built for 5 years, only last year did IDOT get off its lazy ass and start widening its section of 25.

You can fly down Randall during the weekdays? What planet do you live on? Randall is a congested cluster that has WAY too many stoplights.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: Stephane Dumas on June 21, 2015, 09:43:31 PM
Slightly off-topic sidenote, I checked Google Maps, Bing maps and Mapquest who still show a satellite view of the interchange of IL-390(Elgin-O'Hare) with I-290 before construction started. I wonder when one of them will have an updated aerial view of the area soon?
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: I-39 on June 21, 2015, 10:52:13 PM
Slightly off-topic sidenote, I checked Google Maps, Bing maps and Mapquest who still show a satellite view of the interchange of IL-390(Elgin-O'Hare) with I-290 before construction started. I wonder when one of them will have an updated aerial view of the area soon?

Funny you mention that. As of today, Google Earth (the application), just published updated satellite imagery for most of Chicagoland (with the exception of the north suburbs) and it is dated April 30th, 2015. It shows both the I-90 and Elgin-O'Hare corridors under construction. I imagine the updates imagery will be on google maps within days.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: tribar on June 23, 2015, 05:52:45 PM
Why does Google Earth always leave out the Northern Suburbs?  :paranoid:
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: Brandon on June 23, 2015, 07:43:36 PM
Why does Google Earth always leave out the Northern Suburbs?  :paranoid:

Why not?  Rand McNally and IDOT leave out the far southern suburbs.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: dietermoreno on June 27, 2015, 06:58:07 PM
Do I see roundabouts in the documents for the Longmeadow Parkway at IL 31, IL 25, and IL 62?

http://i2.wp.com/kanecountyconnects.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/Screen-Shot-2015-05-21-at-3.13.49-PM.png (http://i2.wp.com/kanecountyconnects.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/Screen-Shot-2015-05-21-at-3.13.49-PM.png)
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: silverback1065 on June 27, 2015, 11:06:07 PM
will this be a numbered highway? (longmeadow)
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: hobsini2 on June 28, 2015, 01:27:29 PM
will this be a numbered highway? (longmeadow)
Maybe but I haven't heard of any yet. Remember, they didn't slap a number onto the Stearns Rd crossing when that was finished.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: Brandon on June 28, 2015, 04:50:43 PM
will this be a numbered highway? (longmeadow)
Maybe but I haven't heard of any yet. Remember, they didn't slap a number onto the Stearns Rd crossing when that was finished.

Stearns Rd was Kane County.  IDOT had nothing really to do with it.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: johndoe780 on June 28, 2015, 08:42:54 PM
will this be a numbered highway? (longmeadow)
Maybe but I haven't heard of any yet. Remember, they didn't slap a number onto the Stearns Rd crossing when that was finished.

Stearns Rd was Kane County.  IDOT had nothing really to do with it.

Except for the widening of 25/stearns where they're combined..... 5 years later.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: sipes23 on June 28, 2015, 10:24:35 PM
Except for the widening of 25/stearns where they're combined..... 5 years later.

I just drove through that today. What a mess. There's a break in 25 that requires a detour over to 30, which I get. These things are occasionally necessary, but what gets me is that 31 was also under construction. Fer real? I need whatever they're smoking there.

Edit to make on topic: I also drove the length of IL390 the Elgin-O'Hare, and the junction with 290 is much improved already. The freeway end at Rohlwing is gone, mercifully.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: Revive 755 on June 28, 2015, 11:16:22 PM
Do I see roundabouts in the documents for the Longmeadow Parkway at IL 31, IL 25, and IL 62?

http://i2.wp.com/kanecountyconnects.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/Screen-Shot-2015-05-21-at-3.13.49-PM.png (http://i2.wp.com/kanecountyconnects.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/Screen-Shot-2015-05-21-at-3.13.49-PM.png)

You should not be; only roundabout going in with the Longmeadow Corridor is where the Bolz Road connector ties into existing Bolz Road (just above the 'Z' in Bolz in the linked screenshot).  Longmeadow at IL 25 and Longmeadow at IL 62 will be signalized intersections;  Longmeadow at IL 31 will be a one quadrant interchange with Longmeadow going over IL 31.

will this be a numbered highway? (longmeadow)
Maybe but I haven't heard of any yet. Remember, they didn't slap a number onto the Stearns Rd crossing when that was finished.

Stearns has a County Route number; Longmeadow will also be getting a County Route number.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: premier707 on July 06, 2015, 01:23:40 AM
So getting back to the Elgin-O'Hare Tollway, do you think the western loop around Ontarioville to North Avenue is necessary, and do you think it will ever be built?

It will be built eventually; perhaps our grandkids can drive it when they visit us at 'the home'.

I'd like to remind everyone that the full 'EOWA' as advertized is not a done deal yet.  The current approved construction plan only extends IL390 to IL83/Busse Rd/Kingery Hwy.  This portion is programmed to be completed in 2017, and will be completed, likely ahead of schedule.  The diverging diamond along I90 at Elmhurst Rd will be completed in 2016.  The next segment/portion scheduled after that is the roadway from IL83 to IL19, with an auxiliary lane eastbound along IL19 to a new four-lane Taft Ave connector bridge south across the Bensenville yard.  After that, ramps to/from I294 will be constructed leading to the Taft connector and the County Line/Green St area.  The final pieces planned (mid 20s) are the mainline on the West Bypass/I490 north from the Taft extension to IL19, and from the IL390/I490 junction north to I90.

ISTHA will be watching traffic counts VERY closely in the region over the next few years.  The construction staging is designed to allow planners to eliminate segments that may prove unnecessary.  Since traffic counts have proved the need for the segment from IL83 to IL19, that segment will most likely be built; utility relocation has already begun.  After that, however, who knows.  Without a western terminal, the extension to IL19 and Taft Ave connection to I294 (via a few stoplights) and to I90 via a (likely) improved York Rd may be sufficient in the mid-term.  The full extension is still a few hundred million dollars short, and the ISTHA may cut back construction and use those extra funds for a central Tri-State widening, although the 300ft corridor along the western edge of O'Hare will remain reserved.   I have a sneaking suspicion the West Bypass won't be built in full until there is a Western terminal, which will not happen before the 30s.



Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: I-39 on July 06, 2015, 11:56:18 AM
So getting back to the Elgin-O'Hare Tollway, do you think the western loop around Ontarioville to North Avenue is necessary, and do you think it will ever be built?

It will be built eventually; perhaps our grandkids can drive it when they visit us at 'the home'.

I'd like to remind everyone that the full 'EOWA' as advertized is not a done deal yet.  The current approved construction plan only extends IL390 to IL83/Busse Rd/Kingery Hwy.  This portion is programmed to be completed in 2017, and will be completed, likely ahead of schedule.  The diverging diamond along I90 at Elmhurst Rd will be completed in 2016.  The next segment/portion scheduled after that is the roadway from IL83 to IL19, with an auxiliary lane eastbound along IL19 to a new four-lane Taft Ave connector bridge south across the Bensenville yard.  After that, ramps to/from I294 will be constructed leading to the Taft connector and the County Line/Green St area.  The final pieces planned (mid 20s) are the mainline on the West Bypass/I490 north from the Taft extension to IL19, and from the IL390/I490 junction north to I90.

ISTHA will be watching traffic counts VERY closely in the region over the next few years.  The construction staging is designed to allow planners to eliminate segments that may prove unnecessary.  Since traffic counts have proved the need for the segment from IL83 to IL19, that segment will most likely be built; utility relocation has already begun.  After that, however, who knows.  Without a western terminal, the extension to IL19 and Taft Ave connection to I294 (via a few stoplights) and to I90 via a (likely) improved York Rd may be sufficient in the mid-term.  The full extension is still a few hundred million dollars short, and the ISTHA may cut back construction and use those extra funds for a central Tri-State widening, although the 300ft corridor along the western edge of O'Hare will remain reserved.   I have a sneaking suspicion the West Bypass won't be built in full until there is a Western terminal, which will not happen before the 30s.

Do you have a source for this? Because why would they be advertising something that won't get built? Plus, if there is not a connection east of IL-83 or a western bypass, who would use the roadway east of I-290? That wouldn't make sense.

I personally think Move Illinois should have focused on building the IL-53 extension (which is more necessary right now) rather than the Elgin-O'Hare. Also, focus on reconstructing the I-90/I-290/IL-53 system interchange (which they are going to have to do soon).
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: johndoe780 on July 06, 2015, 02:55:31 PM
So getting back to the Elgin-O'Hare Tollway, do you think the western loop around Ontarioville to North Avenue is necessary, and do you think it will ever be built?

It will be built eventually; perhaps our grandkids can drive it when they visit us at 'the home'.

I'd like to remind everyone that the full 'EOWA' as advertized is not a done deal yet.  The current approved construction plan only extends IL390 to IL83/Busse Rd/Kingery Hwy.  This portion is programmed to be completed in 2017, and will be completed, likely ahead of schedule.  The diverging diamond along I90 at Elmhurst Rd will be completed in 2016.  The next segment/portion scheduled after that is the roadway from IL83 to IL19, with an auxiliary lane eastbound along IL19 to a new four-lane Taft Ave connector bridge south across the Bensenville yard.  After that, ramps to/from I294 will be constructed leading to the Taft connector and the County Line/Green St area.  The final pieces planned (mid 20s) are the mainline on the West Bypass/I490 north from the Taft extension to IL19, and from the IL390/I490 junction north to I90.

ISTHA will be watching traffic counts VERY closely in the region over the next few years.  The construction staging is designed to allow planners to eliminate segments that may prove unnecessary.  Since traffic counts have proved the need for the segment from IL83 to IL19, that segment will most likely be built; utility relocation has already begun.  After that, however, who knows.  Without a western terminal, the extension to IL19 and Taft Ave connection to I294 (via a few stoplights) and to I90 via a (likely) improved York Rd may be sufficient in the mid-term.  The full extension is still a few hundred million dollars short, and the ISTHA may cut back construction and use those extra funds for a central Tri-State widening, although the 300ft corridor along the western edge of O'Hare will remain reserved.   I have a sneaking suspicion the West Bypass won't be built in full until there is a Western terminal, which will not happen before the 30s.

The difference between the 2 mile extension westwards of EOE and say, the 10 mile 53 extension north is pretty simple. The mayors of Hanover Park and Bartlett actually want the extension. On the other hand, you have Long grove whining for decades how it'll ruin their "quality of life."

I expect EOE to eventually move westwards sooner rather than later now that it's part of ITHSA, which is slightly more competent than their countpart, IDOT.

The 494 part of EOE looks to be more planning and land acquisition, hence the 2025 completion date. Bottom line, in 10 years, I expect EOE to be a surprisingly successful highway, despite the toll,  taking a good chunk of traffic off the adjacent highways and county roads. As far as the $300 million shortfall, that's up in the air.

But in regards to the western entrance, maybe. Ohare just landed the most competent or one of the most competent airport chiefs. I wouldn't be surprised if she fires all these patronage hags and starts a fresh course.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: Revive 755 on July 06, 2015, 06:26:42 PM
Do you have a source for this? Because why would they be advertising something that won't get built? Plus, if there is not a connection east of IL-83 or a western bypass, who would use the roadway east of I-290? That wouldn't make sense.

I believe premier707 means advertized in the 'presented to the public' sense, not as in seeking bids from contractors - though the southern half of the Western Bypass has a few building demolition contracts going out to bid this summer.

I could certainly see ISTHA reevaluating and reopening study of the Western Bypass if the Central Tri-State rebuild gains more momentum.  I could also see ISTHA trying to drop the northern connection to I-90 in favor of reviving a connection to the Tri-State at the IL 19 interchange (similar to the earlier dreams of the EOE extension).

As for improvements to York Road, the only improvements planned I have heard of beyond the DDI with I-90 was the jughandle at IL 72/Touhy Avenue.

As to who would use IL 390 if it only makes it to IL 83:  Given the semi-expressway nature of IL 83, I could see IL 390 and IL 83 becoming a bypass for the congestion at the I-290/I-355 interchange
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: I-39 on July 06, 2015, 06:57:53 PM
Do you have a source for this? Because why would they be advertising something that won't get built? Plus, if there is not a connection east of IL-83 or a western bypass, who would use the roadway east of I-290? That wouldn't make sense.

I believe premier707 means advertized in the 'presented to the public' sense, not as in seeking bids from contractors - though the southern half of the Western Bypass has a few building demolition contracts going out to bid this summer.

I could certainly see ISTHA reevaluating and reopening study of the Western Bypass if the Central Tri-State rebuild gains more momentum.  I could also see ISTHA trying to drop the northern connection to I-90 in favor of reviving a connection to the Tri-State at the IL 19 interchange (similar to the earlier dreams of the EOE extension).

As for improvements to York Road, the only improvements planned I have heard of beyond the DDI with I-90 was the jughandle at IL 72/Touhy Avenue.

As to who would use IL 390 if it only makes it to IL 83:  Given the semi-expressway nature of IL 83, I could see IL 390 and IL 83 becoming a bypass for the congestion at the I-290/I-355 interchange

Well, just today they posted saying they are seeking firms to help with construction on the I-490 bypass, so it looks like it will go forward. I doubt they would back off of something like this since they raised tolls drastically to pay for this program.

http://www.illinoistollway.com/documents/10157/999be150-feff-4a24-b0e3-825ed76fdbea (http://www.illinoistollway.com/documents/10157/999be150-feff-4a24-b0e3-825ed76fdbea)

The Central Tri-State Rebuild will happen, it's just a matter of how it will be done. Their options are:

1. Rebuild the four lanes and shoulders in-kind

2. Rebuild the four lanes and widen the inside shoulder

3. Rebuild and widen to five lanes in each direction

4. Rebuild and widen to five lanes in each direction and widen the inside shoulder

If you ask me, I think it should be a combination of both 2 and 3, only add a fifth lane in some areas (perhaps from I-90/Balmoral to I-88/I-290), the rest keep four lanes, but widen the shoulder along the entire length.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: Joe The Dragon on July 06, 2015, 10:12:56 PM
So getting back to the Elgin-O'Hare Tollway, do you think the western loop around Ontarioville to North Avenue is necessary, and do you think it will ever be built?

It will be built eventually; perhaps our grandkids can drive it when they visit us at 'the home'.

I'd like to remind everyone that the full 'EOWA' as advertized is not a done deal yet.  The current approved construction plan only extends IL390 to IL83/Busse Rd/Kingery Hwy.  This portion is programmed to be completed in 2017, and will be completed, likely ahead of schedule.  The diverging diamond along I90 at Elmhurst Rd will be completed in 2016.  The next segment/portion scheduled after that is the roadway from IL83 to IL19, with an auxiliary lane eastbound along IL19 to a new four-lane Taft Ave connector bridge south across the Bensenville yard.  After that, ramps to/from I294 will be constructed leading to the Taft connector and the County Line/Green St area.  The final pieces planned (mid 20s) are the mainline on the West Bypass/I490 north from the Taft extension to IL19, and from the IL390/I490 junction north to I90.

ISTHA will be watching traffic counts VERY closely in the region over the next few years.  The construction staging is designed to allow planners to eliminate segments that may prove unnecessary.  Since traffic counts have proved the need for the segment from IL83 to IL19, that segment will most likely be built; utility relocation has already begun.  After that, however, who knows.  Without a western terminal, the extension to IL19 and Taft Ave connection to I294 (via a few stoplights) and to I90 via a (likely) improved York Rd may be sufficient in the mid-term.  The full extension is still a few hundred million dollars short, and the ISTHA may cut back construction and use those extra funds for a central Tri-State widening, although the 300ft corridor along the western edge of O'Hare will remain reserved.   I have a sneaking suspicion the West Bypass won't be built in full until there is a Western terminal, which will not happen before the 30s.

Do you have a source for this? Because why would they be advertising something that won't get built? Plus, if there is not a connection east of IL-83 or a western bypass, who would use the roadway east of I-290? That wouldn't make sense.

I personally think Move Illinois should have focused on building the IL-53 extension (which is more necessary right now) rather than the Elgin-O'Hare. Also, focus on reconstructing the I-90/I-290/IL-53 system interchange (which they are going to have to do soon).

There is working going on past IL83 on Thorndale Road.

The plans for the EOE ramps / IL-64 new ramps don't show anything for central Tri-State widening
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: Joe The Dragon on July 06, 2015, 10:21:16 PM
So getting back to the Elgin-O'Hare Tollway, do you think the western loop around Ontarioville to North Avenue is necessary, and do you think it will ever be built?

It will be built eventually; perhaps our grandkids can drive it when they visit us at 'the home'.

I'd like to remind everyone that the full 'EOWA' as advertized is not a done deal yet.  The current approved construction plan only extends IL390 to IL83/Busse Rd/Kingery Hwy.  This portion is programmed to be completed in 2017, and will be completed, likely ahead of schedule.  The diverging diamond along I90 at Elmhurst Rd will be completed in 2016.  The next segment/portion scheduled after that is the roadway from IL83 to IL19, with an auxiliary lane eastbound along IL19 to a new four-lane Taft Ave connector bridge south across the Bensenville yard.  After that, ramps to/from I294 will be constructed leading to the Taft connector and the County Line/Green St area.  The final pieces planned (mid 20s) are the mainline on the West Bypass/I490 north from the Taft extension to IL19, and from the IL390/I490 junction north to I90.

ISTHA will be watching traffic counts VERY closely in the region over the next few years.  The construction staging is designed to allow planners to eliminate segments that may prove unnecessary.  Since traffic counts have proved the need for the segment from IL83 to IL19, that segment will most likely be built; utility relocation has already begun.  After that, however, who knows.  Without a western terminal, the extension to IL19 and Taft Ave connection to I294 (via a few stoplights) and to I90 via a (likely) improved York Rd may be sufficient in the mid-term.  The full extension is still a few hundred million dollars short, and the ISTHA may cut back construction and use those extra funds for a central Tri-State widening, although the 300ft corridor along the western edge of O'Hare will remain reserved.   I have a sneaking suspicion the West Bypass won't be built in full until there is a Western terminal, which will not happen before the 30s.

The difference between the 2 mile extension westwards of EOE and say, the 10 mile 53 extension north is pretty simple. The mayors of Hanover Park and Bartlett actually want the extension. On the other hand, you have Long grove whining for decades how it'll ruin their "quality of life."

I expect EOE to eventually move westwards sooner rather than later now that it's part of ITHSA, which is slightly more competent than their countpart, IDOT.

The 494 part of EOE looks to be more planning and land acquisition, hence the 2025 completion date. Bottom line, in 10 years, I expect EOE to be a surprisingly successful highway, despite the toll,  taking a good chunk of traffic off the adjacent highways and county roads. As far as the $300 million shortfall, that's up in the air.

But in regards to the western entrance, maybe. Ohare just landed the most competent or one of the most competent airport chiefs. I wouldn't be surprised if she fires all these patronage hags and starts a fresh course.

The part from IL to I-294 is planed for 2015-2022 with north ave part at for 2020-2022 same dates are the central Tri-State widening
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: Joe The Dragon on July 06, 2015, 10:23:18 PM
Do you have a source for this? Because why would they be advertising something that won't get built? Plus, if there is not a connection east of IL-83 or a western bypass, who would use the roadway east of I-290? That wouldn't make sense.

I believe premier707 means advertized in the 'presented to the public' sense, not as in seeking bids from contractors - though the southern half of the Western Bypass has a few building demolition contracts going out to bid this summer.

I could certainly see ISTHA reevaluating and reopening study of the Western Bypass if the Central Tri-State rebuild gains more momentum.  I could also see ISTHA trying to drop the northern connection to I-90 in favor of reviving a connection to the Tri-State at the IL 19 interchange (similar to the earlier dreams of the EOE extension).

As for improvements to York Road, the only improvements planned I have heard of beyond the DDI with I-90 was the jughandle at IL 72/Touhy Avenue.

As to who would use IL 390 if it only makes it to IL 83:  Given the semi-expressway nature of IL 83, I could see IL 390 and IL 83 becoming a bypass for the congestion at the I-290/I-355 interchange

Well, just today they posted saying they are seeking firms to help with construction on the I-490 bypass, so it looks like it will go forward. I doubt they would back off of something like this since they raised tolls drastically to pay for this program.

http://www.illinoistollway.com/documents/10157/999be150-feff-4a24-b0e3-825ed76fdbea (http://www.illinoistollway.com/documents/10157/999be150-feff-4a24-b0e3-825ed76fdbea)

The Central Tri-State Rebuild will happen, it's just a matter of how it will be done. Their options are:

1. Rebuild the four lanes and shoulders in-kind

2. Rebuild the four lanes and widen the inside shoulder

3. Rebuild and widen to five lanes in each direction

4. Rebuild and widen to five lanes in each direction and widen the inside shoulder

If you ask me, I think it should be a combination of both 2 and 3, only add a fifth lane in some areas (perhaps from I-90/Balmoral to I-88/I-290), the rest keep four lanes, but widen the shoulder along the entire length.

some areas can use aux lanes / interchange rebuilds.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: hobsini2 on July 08, 2015, 06:43:57 PM
So getting back to the Elgin-O'Hare Tollway, do you think the western loop around Ontarioville to North Avenue is necessary, and do you think it will ever be built?

It will be built eventually; perhaps our grandkids can drive it when they visit us at 'the home'.

I'd like to remind everyone that the full 'EOWA' as advertized is not a done deal yet.  The current approved construction plan only extends IL390 to IL83/Busse Rd/Kingery Hwy.  This portion is programmed to be completed in 2017, and will be completed, likely ahead of schedule.  The diverging diamond along I90 at Elmhurst Rd will be completed in 2016.  The next segment/portion scheduled after that is the roadway from IL83 to IL19, with an auxiliary lane eastbound along IL19 to a new four-lane Taft Ave connector bridge south across the Bensenville yard.  After that, ramps to/from I294 will be constructed leading to the Taft connector and the County Line/Green St area.  The final pieces planned (mid 20s) are the mainline on the West Bypass/I490 north from the Taft extension to IL19, and from the IL390/I490 junction north to I90.

ISTHA will be watching traffic counts VERY closely in the region over the next few years.  The construction staging is designed to allow planners to eliminate segments that may prove unnecessary.  Since traffic counts have proved the need for the segment from IL83 to IL19, that segment will most likely be built; utility relocation has already begun.  After that, however, who knows.  Without a western terminal, the extension to IL19 and Taft Ave connection to I294 (via a few stoplights) and to I90 via a (likely) improved York Rd may be sufficient in the mid-term.  The full extension is still a few hundred million dollars short, and the ISTHA may cut back construction and use those extra funds for a central Tri-State widening, although the 300ft corridor along the western edge of O'Hare will remain reserved.   I have a sneaking suspicion the West Bypass won't be built in full until there is a Western terminal, which will not happen before the 30s.

Do you have a source for this? Because why would they be advertising something that won't get built? Plus, if there is not a connection east of IL-83 or a western bypass, who would use the roadway east of I-290? That wouldn't make sense.

I personally think Move Illinois should have focused on building the IL-53 extension (which is more necessary right now) rather than the Elgin-O'Hare. Also, focus on reconstructing the I-90/I-290/IL-53 system interchange (which they are going to have to do soon).
As someone who drives professionally, if I can use Thorndale and EOE vs Irving Park, I do. Fewer lights and Irving narrows to 2 lanes in Itasca. Also, east of IL 83 along Thorndale, there are a number of industrial parks. It would be used and used often.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: tribar on July 08, 2015, 06:47:22 PM
I'm sorry if this has been mentioned before but will Thorndale Ave remain after the tollway is built or will it be demolished?
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: hobsini2 on July 08, 2015, 06:49:41 PM
I'm sorry if this has been mentioned before but will Thorndale Ave remain after the tollway is built or will it be demolished?
It will likely get reduced to a Frontage Rd type of highway since the EOE is running along it almost exactly. I would have to look at the plans again.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: Revive 755 on July 08, 2015, 10:41:18 PM
^ IIRC, it varies by segment, with some sections remaining as a two-way outer road (but with a reduced number of lanes), parts reduced to a one-way frontage road (near IL 83 at least), and the westernmost part will be removed completely.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: premier707 on July 14, 2015, 02:13:08 AM
Move Illinois runs through 2026.  There is $2.13 billion earmarked for a central Tri-State rebuild of pavement from Balmoral to 95th, as well as a rebuilt Edens Spur; these would simply reconstruct aged pavement on the same footprint, with no expansion beyond the section that interchanges with the future Western Bypass/I490 and/or the Taft Ave connector, and improved access at North Ave/IL64.  More funds (and land) would be needed to expand to a 10-lane cross-section along the entire corridor.  The Tri-State generates 40% of ISTHA's revenue.  Personally, I think the tollway's funds would be better spent ditching the Edens Spur rebuild and the Western Bypass in favor of York/Elmhurst Rd and Irving Park/Taft connector to I294; then, use those funds, and that original $2.13 billion, to rebuild and widen the central Tri-State, and reconstruct the I90/I290/IL53 interchange in Schaumburg. The present corridor for the Western Bypass isn't going anywhere, and the Taft Ave connector is sufficient for local truck traffic from I294.  As the only fiscally-healthy road-building entity in Chicagoland, ISTHA may need to focus more on the existing (and recently expanded via the Elgin-O'Hare and southern Veterans extension) system while the state and IDOT get their house in order.  A new IL390, terminating at York Rd and IL19, would serve fine in the short and medium-term until a western entrance or blue line stop to O'Hare actually exists.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: NE2 on July 14, 2015, 02:36:13 AM
Does the I-490 segment have its own name? I'm not sure if this (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=O%27Hare_West_Bypass&type=revision&diff=669976918&oldid=669976772) was a proper edit.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: johndoe780 on July 14, 2015, 07:54:52 AM
Move Illinois runs through 2026.  There is $2.13 billion earmarked for a central Tri-State rebuild of pavement from Balmoral to 95th, as well as a rebuilt Edens Spur; these would simply reconstruct aged pavement on the same footprint, with no expansion beyond the section that interchanges with the future Western Bypass/I490 and/or the Taft Ave connector, and improved access at North Ave/IL64.  More funds (and land) would be needed to expand to a 10-lane cross-section along the entire corridor.  The Tri-State generates 40% of ISTHA's revenue.  Personally, I think the tollway's funds would be better spent ditching the Edens Spur rebuild and the Western Bypass in favor of York/Elmhurst Rd and Irving Park/Taft connector to I294; then, use those funds, and that original $2.13 billion, to rebuild and widen the central Tri-State, and reconstruct the I90/I290/IL53 interchange in Schaumburg. The present corridor for the Western Bypass isn't going anywhere, and the Taft Ave connector is sufficient for local truck traffic from I294.  As the only fiscally-healthy road-building entity in Chicagoland, ISTHA may need to focus more on the existing (and recently expanded via the Elgin-O'Hare and southern Veterans extension) system while the state and IDOT get their house in order.  A new IL390, terminating at York Rd and IL19, would serve fine in the short and medium-term until a western entrance or blue line stop to O'Hare actually exists.

I always thought the 10 lane widening of 294 was a bit shortsighted. Shouldn't they make it 10 lanes from 95th street to I-90, not Balmoral ave?
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: Stratuscaster on July 14, 2015, 07:55:23 AM
If I recall - and I cannot locate the links - planning/signing docs were using IL-EOE for the Elgin-O'hare and IL-WOB for the I-490 "Western O'Hare Bypass" route.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: ET21 on July 14, 2015, 04:25:12 PM
Does the I-490 segment have its own name? I'm not sure if this (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=O%27Hare_West_Bypass&type=revision&diff=669976918&oldid=669976772) was a proper edit.

I'm sure it'll be named after a corrupt Illinois politician. Wouldn't be surprised if it was named after Obama
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: tribar on July 14, 2015, 04:36:32 PM
Does the I-490 segment have its own name? I'm not sure if this (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=O%27Hare_West_Bypass&type=revision&diff=669976918&oldid=669976772) was a proper edit.

I'm sure it'll be named after a corrupt Illinois politician. Wouldn't be surprised if it was named after Obama

I'm thinking the Rod Blagojevich Tollway. 
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: iBallasticwolf2 on July 14, 2015, 04:46:39 PM
Does the I-490 segment have its own name? I'm not sure if this (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=O%27Hare_West_Bypass&type=revision&diff=669976918&oldid=669976772) was a proper edit.

I'm sure it'll be named after a corrupt Illinois politician. Wouldn't be surprised if it was named after Obama

I'm thinking the Rod Blagojevich Tollway.

If lucas01aswell gets his way it will be named the San Fransokyo tollway.  :-P  :colorful: :wow:
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: Joe The Dragon on July 14, 2015, 07:04:29 PM
Move Illinois runs through 2026.  There is $2.13 billion earmarked for a central Tri-State rebuild of pavement from Balmoral to 95th, as well as a rebuilt Edens Spur; these would simply reconstruct aged pavement on the same footprint, with no expansion beyond the section that interchanges with the future Western Bypass/I490 and/or the Taft Ave connector, and improved access at North Ave/IL64.  More funds (and land) would be needed to expand to a 10-lane cross-section along the entire corridor.  The Tri-State generates 40% of ISTHA's revenue.  Personally, I think the tollway's funds would be better spent ditching the Edens Spur rebuild and the Western Bypass in favor of York/Elmhurst Rd and Irving Park/Taft connector to I294; then, use those funds, and that original $2.13 billion, to rebuild and widen the central Tri-State, and reconstruct the I90/I290/IL53 interchange in Schaumburg. The present corridor for the Western Bypass isn't going anywhere, and the Taft Ave connector is sufficient for local truck traffic from I294.  As the only fiscally-healthy road-building entity in Chicagoland, ISTHA may need to focus more on the existing (and recently expanded via the Elgin-O'Hare and southern Veterans extension) system while the state and IDOT get their house in order.  A new IL390, terminating at York Rd and IL19, would serve fine in the short and medium-term until a western entrance or blue line stop to O'Hare actually exists.

I always thought the 10 lane widening of 294 was a bit shortsighted. Shouldn't they make it 10 lanes from 95th street to I-90, not Balmoral ave?

Balmoral is right at the split
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: Revive 755 on July 14, 2015, 08:45:13 PM
I always thought the 10 lane widening of 294 was a bit shortsighted. Shouldn't they make it 10 lanes from 95th street to I-90, not Balmoral ave?

Balmoral is right at the split
I-294 goes to/from a brief 10 lane section at IL 19.  Unless ISTHA is planning to go to 12 lanes between IL 19 and the I-190 interchange, I would have thought they would stated IL 19 as the northern terminus.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: Joe The Dragon on July 14, 2015, 10:24:58 PM
I always thought the 10 lane widening of 294 was a bit shortsighted. Shouldn't they make it 10 lanes from 95th street to I-90, not Balmoral ave?

Balmoral is right at the split
I-294 goes to/from a brief 10 lane section at IL 19.  Unless ISTHA is planning to go to 12 lanes between IL 19 and the I-190 interchange, I would have thought they would stated IL 19 as the northern terminus.

Maybe some interchange work in that area as well
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: dave069 on July 14, 2015, 11:43:44 PM
Does the I-490 segment have its own name? I'm not sure if this (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=O%27Hare_West_Bypass&type=revision&diff=669976918&oldid=669976772) was a proper edit.

I'm sure it'll be named after a corrupt Illinois politician. Wouldn't be surprised if it was named after Obama

I'm thinking the Rod Blagojevich Tollway.

NO......anyone but Rod...........
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: Rothman on July 15, 2015, 12:03:41 AM
Does the I-490 segment have its own name? I'm not sure if this (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=O%27Hare_West_Bypass&type=revision&diff=669976918&oldid=669976772) was a proper edit.

I'm sure it'll be named after a corrupt Illinois politician. Wouldn't be surprised if it was named after Obama

I'm thinking the Rod Blagojevich Tollway.

NO......anyone but Rod...........

Butbutbut...he's got this thing...and it's f****** golden!
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: Quimby on July 15, 2015, 05:11:28 PM
Does the I-490 segment have its own name? I'm not sure if this (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=O%27Hare_West_Bypass&type=revision&diff=669976918&oldid=669976772) was a proper edit.

I'm sure it'll be named after a corrupt Illinois politician. Wouldn't be surprised if it was named after Obama

The only people who have tollways named after them in Illinois are Jane Addams and Ronald Reagan.  Even the non-toll Chicago expressways are named after people like Eisenhower, Kennedy, and Stevenson.  Hardly a long list of corrupt Illinois politicians. 

Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: Brandon on July 15, 2015, 05:17:47 PM
Does the I-490 segment have its own name? I'm not sure if this (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=O%27Hare_West_Bypass&type=revision&diff=669976918&oldid=669976772) was a proper edit.

I'm sure it'll be named after a corrupt Illinois politician. Wouldn't be surprised if it was named after Obama

The only people who have tollways named after them in Illinois are Jane Addams and Ronald Reagan.  Even the non-toll Chicago expressways are named after people like Eisenhower, Kennedy, and Stevenson.  Hardly a long list of corrupt Illinois politicians. 

Of course, there are the locals (other than Stevenson) such as Ryan and Edens, both of whom were politicians in Cook County.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: Quimby on July 15, 2015, 05:29:28 PM
Does the I-490 segment have its own name? I'm not sure if this (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=O%27Hare_West_Bypass&type=revision&diff=669976918&oldid=669976772) was a proper edit.

I'm sure it'll be named after a corrupt Illinois politician. Wouldn't be surprised if it was named after Obama

The only people who have tollways named after them in Illinois are Jane Addams and Ronald Reagan.  Even the non-toll Chicago expressways are named after people like Eisenhower, Kennedy, and Stevenson.  Hardly a long list of corrupt Illinois politicians. 

Of course, there are the locals (other than Stevenson) such as Ryan and Edens, both of whom were politicians in Cook County.

I believe both of those individuals were champions of highway/expressway construction.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: ET21 on July 16, 2015, 10:56:36 AM
Does the I-490 segment have its own name? I'm not sure if this (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=O%27Hare_West_Bypass&type=revision&diff=669976918&oldid=669976772) was a proper edit.

I'm sure it'll be named after a corrupt Illinois politician. Wouldn't be surprised if it was named after Obama

The only people who have tollways named after them in Illinois are Jane Addams and Ronald Reagan.  Even the non-toll Chicago expressways are named after people like Eisenhower, Kennedy, and Stevenson.  Hardly a long list of corrupt Illinois politicians.

It was meant to be a jab joke towards the state, obviously some of our freeways are named after decent people. But knowing Illinois.......
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: SSOWorld on July 16, 2015, 11:27:09 AM
Does the I-490 segment have its own name? I'm not sure if this (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=O%27Hare_West_Bypass&type=revision&diff=669976918&oldid=669976772) was a proper edit.

I'm sure it'll be named after a corrupt Illinois politician. Wouldn't be surprised if it was named after Obama

The only people who have tollways named after them in Illinois are Jane Addams and Ronald Reagan.  Even the non-toll Chicago expressways are named after people like Eisenhower, Kennedy, and Stevenson.  Hardly a long list of corrupt Illinois politicians.

It was meant to be a jab joke towards the state, obviously some of our freeways are named after decent people. But knowing Illinois.......
Name a decent politician - go ahead, I dare you. I double dare you.

You can't? 
I didn't think you could :sombrero: :awesomeface:
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: ET21 on July 16, 2015, 03:20:37 PM
Does the I-490 segment have its own name? I'm not sure if this (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=O%27Hare_West_Bypass&type=revision&diff=669976918&oldid=669976772) was a proper edit.

I'm sure it'll be named after a corrupt Illinois politician. Wouldn't be surprised if it was named after Obama

The only people who have tollways named after them in Illinois are Jane Addams and Ronald Reagan.  Even the non-toll Chicago expressways are named after people like Eisenhower, Kennedy, and Stevenson.  Hardly a long list of corrupt Illinois politicians.

It was meant to be a jab joke towards the state, obviously some of our freeways are named after decent people. But knowing Illinois.......
Name a decent politician - go ahead, I dare you. I double dare you.

You can't? 
I didn't think you could :sombrero: :awesomeface:

George Washington!  :D
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: Brandon on July 16, 2015, 03:22:47 PM
Does the I-490 segment have its own name? I'm not sure if this (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=O%27Hare_West_Bypass&type=revision&diff=669976918&oldid=669976772) was a proper edit.

I'm sure it'll be named after a corrupt Illinois politician. Wouldn't be surprised if it was named after Obama

The only people who have tollways named after them in Illinois are Jane Addams and Ronald Reagan.  Even the non-toll Chicago expressways are named after people like Eisenhower, Kennedy, and Stevenson.  Hardly a long list of corrupt Illinois politicians.

It was meant to be a jab joke towards the state, obviously some of our freeways are named after decent people. But knowing Illinois.......
Name a decent politician - go ahead, I dare you. I double dare you.

You can't? 
I didn't think you could :sombrero: :awesomeface:

George Washington!  :D

Sadly, he's been dead for over 200 years.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: ET21 on July 16, 2015, 03:28:21 PM
Does the I-490 segment have its own name? I'm not sure if this (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=O%27Hare_West_Bypass&type=revision&diff=669976918&oldid=669976772) was a proper edit.

I'm sure it'll be named after a corrupt Illinois politician. Wouldn't be surprised if it was named after Obama

The only people who have tollways named after them in Illinois are Jane Addams and Ronald Reagan.  Even the non-toll Chicago expressways are named after people like Eisenhower, Kennedy, and Stevenson.  Hardly a long list of corrupt Illinois politicians.

It was meant to be a jab joke towards the state, obviously some of our freeways are named after decent people. But knowing Illinois.......
Name a decent politician - go ahead, I dare you. I double dare you.

You can't? 
I didn't think you could :sombrero: :awesomeface:

George Washington!  :D

Sadly, he's been dead for over 200 years.

Pretty much all the good ones are. Just call it the Lincoln Bypass and call it a day  :) lol
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: Brandon on July 16, 2015, 04:26:48 PM
Pretty much all the good ones are. Just call it the Lincoln Bypass and call it a day  :) lol

I like that idea.  Not a single freeway or tollway is named for Lincoln in Illinois.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: Stephane Dumas on July 28, 2015, 06:33:43 PM
The new ramps connecting I-290 with IL-390/EOH (Elgin-O'Hare) opened Monday. http://abc7chicago.com/traffic/ohare-ramps-connecting-i-290-route-390-now-open/886314/
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: I-39 on July 28, 2015, 07:56:08 PM
The new ramps connecting I-290 with IL-390/EOH (Elgin-O'Hare) opened Monday. http://abc7chicago.com/traffic/ohare-ramps-connecting-i-290-route-390-now-open/886314/

No more stoplights! Woo-hoo! Can't wait for the rest of the interchange to be finished.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: ajlynch91 on July 29, 2015, 12:21:19 AM
Actually (much to my surprise and happiness) the ramps opened Sunday. I of course had to take a small detour route from going nowhere.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: dietermoreno on August 06, 2015, 12:01:07 AM
On Sunday I did indeed see the ramps open (which are the flyover ramp from Wb I-290 to Wb IL-390 and the ramp from Eb I-290 to Wb IL-390) and I saw the old ramp from Eb I-290 to Wb IL-390 with a stop light turned off and the pavement being torn up, so I deduce that all stop lights have been removed there and thus to replace making a left turn from the old ramp from Eb I-290 to Eb IL-390 you have to exit Rossell Rd and make a U-turn.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: Stratuscaster on August 06, 2015, 07:47:13 AM
If I recall, the EB I-290 to EB Thorndale movement is to use the loop-around at Meacham/Medinah Road.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: Henry on August 06, 2015, 12:12:07 PM
Pretty much all the good ones are. Just call it the Lincoln Bypass and call it a day  :) lol

I like that idea.  Not a single freeway or tollway is named for Lincoln in Illinois.
I think it's shocking that a state that calls itself the Land of Lincoln does not have any expressways or tollways that bear his name, so I second the idea!
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: hobsini2 on August 06, 2015, 12:13:13 PM
Pretty much all the good ones are. Just call it the Lincoln Bypass and call it a day  :) lol

I like that idea.  Not a single freeway or tollway is named for Lincoln in Illinois.
I think it's shocking that a state that calls itself the Land of Lincoln does not have any expressways or tollways that bear his name, so I second the idea!
Might not happen up here because of the Lincoln Hwy.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: bulldog1979 on August 06, 2015, 02:52:46 PM
Pretty much all the good ones are. Just call it the Lincoln Bypass and call it a day  :) lol
I like that idea.  Not a single freeway or tollway is named for Lincoln in Illinois.
I think it's shocking that a state that calls itself the Land of Lincoln does not have any expressways or tollways that bear his name, so I second the idea!
Kinda like how Michigan doesn't have any freeways named for Henry Ford. Ford Road (M-153) was named for William, Henry's father, and a section of I-94 is the Edsel Ford Freeway after his son. (The Ford Freeway near Grand Rapids was named for for the president.) We have freeways named for Walter Chrysler, David Dunbar Buick, Louis Chevrolet, Ransom E. Olds, and the Fisher Brothers (of the "Body by Fisher" fame for GM cars).
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: Revive 755 on August 06, 2015, 05:36:39 PM
On Sunday I did indeed see the ramps open (which are the flyover ramp from Wb I-290 to Wb IL-390 and the ramp from Eb I-290 to Wb IL-390) and I saw the old ramp from Eb I-290 to Wb IL-390 with a stop light turned off and the pavement being torn up, so I deduce that all stop lights have been removed there and thus to replace making a left turn from the old ramp from Eb I-290 to Eb IL-390 you have to exit Rossell Rd and make a U-turn.

There has been a new stoplight installed where EB Thorndale intersects with the new ramp from WB I-290 to EB Thorndale.

EDIT:  It appears the signal at the EB I-290 to Thorndale still lives as well.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: Revive 755 on August 09, 2015, 08:13:22 PM
Funny you mention that. As of today, Google Earth (the application), just published updated satellite imagery for most of Chicagoland (with the exception of the north suburbs) and it is dated April 30th, 2015. It shows both the I-90 and Elgin-O'Hare corridors under construction. I imagine the updates imagery will be on google maps within days.

Google maps seems to have finally updated their aerial imagery for at least McHenry County.

EDIT:  And for Lake County as well, the Rollins Road grade separation at the CN line is visible.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: johndoe780 on August 10, 2015, 10:53:24 AM
Funny you mention that. As of today, Google Earth (the application), just published updated satellite imagery for most of Chicagoland (with the exception of the north suburbs) and it is dated April 30th, 2015. It shows both the I-90 and Elgin-O'Hare corridors under construction. I imagine the updates imagery will be on google maps within days.

Google maps seems to have finally updated their aerial imagery for at least McHenry County.

EDIT:  And for Lake County as well, the Rollins Road grade separation at the CN line is visible.

As is the grade separation on Ogden in Aurora, Irving Park road in Bensenville, and the Union Pacific tracks in West chicago near Kautz ave.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: Stephane Dumas on September 13, 2015, 03:58:34 PM
One guy on Youtube posted a driving video of the new ramps of I-290/IL-390.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: I-39 on September 28, 2015, 09:57:55 PM
Just thought of something. They have the numbers backwards. The Elgin-O'Hare portion should be IL-490 and the West Bypass should be I-390, the former is an even while the latter is a odd. Yet, The Elgin-O'Hare (east-west) is signed as IL-390 (an odd) while the West Bypass (north-south) is signed as I-490 (an even). 
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: bulldog1979 on September 28, 2015, 11:48:00 PM
Just thought of something. They have the numbers backwards. The Elgin-O'Hare portion should be IL-490 and the West Bypass should be I-390, the former is an even while the latter is a odd. Yet, The Elgin-O'Hare (east-west) is signed as IL-390 (an odd) while the West Bypass (north-south) is signed as I-490 (an even). 

The parity of the first digit of a 3dI has nothing to do with the cardinal direction of the highway though. It's supposed to be connected to spur (odd) vs. loop/beltway (even). In systems that assign a parity to a particular direction, it's the parity of the last digit, and then for three-digit child routes, that parity connection is often ignored.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: Henry on September 29, 2015, 01:07:43 PM
Pretty much all the good ones are. Just call it the Lincoln Bypass and call it a day  :) lol
I like that idea.  Not a single freeway or tollway is named for Lincoln in Illinois.
I think it's shocking that a state that calls itself the Land of Lincoln does not have any expressways or tollways that bear his name, so I second the idea!
Kinda like how Michigan doesn't have any freeways named for Henry Ford. Ford Road (M-153) was named for William, Henry's father, and a section of I-94 is the Edsel Ford Freeway after his son. (The Ford Freeway near Grand Rapids was named for for the president.) We have freeways named for Walter Chrysler, David Dunbar Buick, Louis Chevrolet, Ransom E. Olds, and the Fisher Brothers (of the "Body by Fisher" fame for GM cars).

As well as the suburb of Pontiac (for the Indian chief) and Cadillac Square for Antoine de la Mothe Cadillac (the founder of Detroit), who both lived in the 18th century, when cars were well off into the distant future. Has there ever been anything named after the Dodge brothers (Horace and John, I believe)?

Just thought of something. They have the numbers backwards. The Elgin-O'Hare portion should be IL-490 and the West Bypass should be I-390, the former is an even while the latter is a odd. Yet, The Elgin-O'Hare (east-west) is signed as IL-390 (an odd) while the West Bypass (north-south) is signed as I-490 (an even). 

The parity of the first digit of a 3dI has nothing to do with the cardinal direction of the highway though. It's supposed to be connected to spur (odd) vs. loop/beltway (even). In systems that assign a parity to a particular direction, it's the parity of the last digit, and then for three-digit child routes, that parity connection is often ignored.
The Bay Area is a prime example of this. None of the I-x80s there connect to their parent twice, although I-280 does meet I-680 in San Jose and I-380 branches off the former near the San Francisco Airport. And don't forget the double-branch that is I-580!
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: I-39 on October 31, 2015, 08:47:15 PM
Move Illinois runs through 2026.  There is $2.13 billion earmarked for a central Tri-State rebuild of pavement from Balmoral to 95th, as well as a rebuilt Edens Spur; these would simply reconstruct aged pavement on the same footprint, with no expansion beyond the section that interchanges with the future Western Bypass/I490 and/or the Taft Ave connector, and improved access at North Ave/IL64.  More funds (and land) would be needed to expand to a 10-lane cross-section along the entire corridor.  The Tri-State generates 40% of ISTHA's revenue.  Personally, I think the tollway's funds would be better spent ditching the Edens Spur rebuild and the Western Bypass in favor of York/Elmhurst Rd and Irving Park/Taft connector to I294; then, use those funds, and that original $2.13 billion, to rebuild and widen the central Tri-State, and reconstruct the I90/I290/IL53 interchange in Schaumburg. The present corridor for the Western Bypass isn't going anywhere, and the Taft Ave connector is sufficient for local truck traffic from I294.  As the only fiscally-healthy road-building entity in Chicagoland, ISTHA may need to focus more on the existing (and recently expanded via the Elgin-O'Hare and southern Veterans extension) system while the state and IDOT get their house in order.  A new IL390, terminating at York Rd and IL19, would serve fine in the short and medium-term until a western entrance or blue line stop to O'Hare actually exists.

I've said this before, but since I didn't see this post before, I'll say it again.

The EOWA (IL-390/I-490) should have been built as a free road. I have nothing against toll roads, but I think it's unfair ISTHA controls all the major commuter (Interstates) the O'Hare area (coming from the west), as well as into Chicago in general. We ought to have a free alternative for getting into O'Hare (that's not an arterial). The fact that Illinois can't pay for it is just ridiculous. Chicagoland is becoming too reliant on ISTHA to build new Interstates/controlled access highways. What's the point of having a state DOT if they can't build any major projects? IDOT should have raised the gas tax to pay for the EOWA as well as their portion of the much-needed rebuilding of both the I-90/290/IL-53 and I-88/294/I-290 system interchanges.

ISTHA should have focused Move Illinois on building the Illinois 53 extension, rebuilding and widening I-90 (between Rockford and Elgin), I-294 (between Balmoral and 95th street), the Edens Spur (should be widened to six lanes) as well as building and rebuilding/reconfiguring the major system interchanges (i.e I-57/294, I-90/I-290/IL-53 and I-88/294/290).

I like what Move Illinois is accomplishing, but things could have been planned better.............
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: SteveG1988 on October 31, 2015, 08:52:32 PM
Move Illinois runs through 2026.  There is $2.13 billion earmarked for a central Tri-State rebuild of pavement from Balmoral to 95th, as well as a rebuilt Edens Spur; these would simply reconstruct aged pavement on the same footprint, with no expansion beyond the section that interchanges with the future Western Bypass/I490 and/or the Taft Ave connector, and improved access at North Ave/IL64.  More funds (and land) would be needed to expand to a 10-lane cross-section along the entire corridor.  The Tri-State generates 40% of ISTHA's revenue.  Personally, I think the tollway's funds would be better spent ditching the Edens Spur rebuild and the Western Bypass in favor of York/Elmhurst Rd and Irving Park/Taft connector to I294; then, use those funds, and that original $2.13 billion, to rebuild and widen the central Tri-State, and reconstruct the I90/I290/IL53 interchange in Schaumburg. The present corridor for the Western Bypass isn't going anywhere, and the Taft Ave connector is sufficient for local truck traffic from I294.  As the only fiscally-healthy road-building entity in Chicagoland, ISTHA may need to focus more on the existing (and recently expanded via the Elgin-O'Hare and southern Veterans extension) system while the state and IDOT get their house in order.  A new IL390, terminating at York Rd and IL19, would serve fine in the short and medium-term until a western entrance or blue line stop to O'Hare actually exists.

I've said this before, but since I didn't see this post before, I'll say it again.

The EOWA (IL-390/I-490) should have been built as a free road. I have nothing against toll roads, but I think it's unfair ISTHA controls all the major commuter (Interstates) the O'Hare area (coming from the west), as well as into Chicago in general. We ought to have a free alternative for getting into O'Hare (that's not an arterial). The fact that Illinois can't pay for it is just ridiculous. Chicagoland is becoming too reliant on ISTHA to build new Interstates/controlled access highways. What's the point of having a state DOT if they can't build any major projects? IDOT should have raised the gas tax to pay for the EOWA as well as their portion of the much-needed rebuilding of both the I-90/290/IL-53 and I-88/294/I-290 system interchanges.

ISTHA should have focused Move Illinois on building the Illinois 53 extension, rebuilding and widening I-90 (between Rockford and Elgin), I-294 (between Balmoral and 95th street), the Edens Spur (should be widened to six lanes) as well as building and rebuilding/reconfiguring the major system interchanges (i.e I-57/294, I-90/I-290/IL-53 and I-88/294/290).

I like what Move Illinois is accomplishing, but things could have been planned better.............

Problem is, that is how you can do it near a city, Illinois has a major city called Chicago, if you're outside Cook County you resent the spending up there. By having it done via tolls you prevent busy bodies from other counties fighting it.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: johndoe780 on October 31, 2015, 10:15:48 PM
Move Illinois runs through 2026.  There is $2.13 billion earmarked for a central Tri-State rebuild of pavement from Balmoral to 95th, as well as a rebuilt Edens Spur; these would simply reconstruct aged pavement on the same footprint, with no expansion beyond the section that interchanges with the future Western Bypass/I490 and/or the Taft Ave connector, and improved access at North Ave/IL64.  More funds (and land) would be needed to expand to a 10-lane cross-section along the entire corridor.  The Tri-State generates 40% of ISTHA's revenue.  Personally, I think the tollway's funds would be better spent ditching the Edens Spur rebuild and the Western Bypass in favor of York/Elmhurst Rd and Irving Park/Taft connector to I294; then, use those funds, and that original $2.13 billion, to rebuild and widen the central Tri-State, and reconstruct the I90/I290/IL53 interchange in Schaumburg. The present corridor for the Western Bypass isn't going anywhere, and the Taft Ave connector is sufficient for local truck traffic from I294.  As the only fiscally-healthy road-building entity in Chicagoland, ISTHA may need to focus more on the existing (and recently expanded via the Elgin-O'Hare and southern Veterans extension) system while the state and IDOT get their house in order.  A new IL390, terminating at York Rd and IL19, would serve fine in the short and medium-term until a western entrance or blue line stop to O'Hare actually exists.

I've said this before, but since I didn't see this post before, I'll say it again.

The EOWA (IL-390/I-490) should have been built as a free road. I have nothing against toll roads, but I think it's unfair ISTHA controls all the major commuter (Interstates) the O'Hare area (coming from the west), as well as into Chicago in general. We ought to have a free alternative for getting into O'Hare (that's not an arterial). The fact that Illinois can't pay for it is just ridiculous. Chicagoland is becoming too reliant on ISTHA to build new Interstates/controlled access highways. What's the point of having a state DOT if they can't build any major projects? IDOT should have raised the gas tax to pay for the EOWA as well as their portion of the much-needed rebuilding of both the I-90/290/IL-53 and I-88/294/I-290 system interchanges.

ISTHA should have focused Move Illinois on building the Illinois 53 extension, rebuilding and widening I-90 (between Rockford and Elgin), I-294 (between Balmoral and 95th street), the Edens Spur (should be widened to six lanes) as well as building and rebuilding/reconfiguring the major system interchanges (i.e I-57/294, I-90/I-290/IL-53 and I-88/294/290).

I like what Move Illinois is accomplishing, but things could have been planned better.............

The problem is US DOT approved the takeover of EOE from IDOT to ITHSA. Has zilch to do with local politics when the big guns call the shots.

I was always under the impression that US DOT doesn't like rebranding freeways to tollways. Hence why in every other metro area the new lanes they build are tollways and the original lanes are left intact.

As far as the tollway, get used to it. Gas tax ain't bringing in what it used to and it won't anymore. You can hike it as much as you want, but people are buying and using electric cars or hybrids. Tolls are the most equitable way of taxing the roads. You pay for what you use. Don't like it? Use another route. Tolls on new highways aren't a common thing at all. Nearly every new highway being built is being built via tolls (and that could be well due to the fact that USDOT gas tax hasn't been changed in over 20 years.) The states that don't have tolls right now (Minnesota, Michigan, etc.) are trying to find ways to to built toll roads.

My only complaint about toll roads is that there aren't enough of 'em in Chicago. It's damn time Chicago starts paying its fair share of toll roads. But with that said, I doubt there are many drivers left in Chicago; you'd only end up tolling the suburbinites who commute to the city. Chicago's public transportation is just too good (by north american standards of course) that you can simply get anywhere you want without owning a vehicle within city limits.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: SSOWorld on November 01, 2015, 06:04:59 AM
Chicago's public transportation system is nothing compared to NYC.  There are still plenty of cars outside the city as you said. but the there are people with cars within the city as well as opposed to NYC.

...and stop calling them "tollways" ;) The word is a misnomer (freeway is one too) - part of a d.b.a. brand names for ISTHA, TxDOT, NDTA among others.  (my preference is toll road).  of course I'm being sarcastic - I could care less.

ISHTA stands out because of their bureaucracy, corruption and need to be "different".

Anyone note how Winnebago county is the butt monkey in the minds of ISHTA? from Boone County eastward (even with Boone not a part of district 1, they made the road much better).
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: quickshade on November 01, 2015, 10:50:59 AM
The problem has been that IDOT just can't do anything. They don't have the money they need, were mismanaged for so many years and have spent years just trying to get caught up on the backlog of projects that have needed to get done for the past 20 years. The tollway is in a different boat because the board had a better vision, didn't have to deal with the political bickering downstate (for the most part) and the biggest thing is a source of income that isn't unreliable or state controlled.

Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: johndoe780 on November 01, 2015, 01:04:37 PM
Chicago's public transportation system is nothing compared to NYC.  There are still plenty of cars outside the city as you said. but the there are people with cars within the city as well as opposed to NYC.

...and stop calling them "tollways" ;) The word is a misnomer (freeway is one too) - part of a d.b.a. brand names for ISTHA, TxDOT, NDTA among others.  (my preference is toll road).  of course I'm being sarcastic - I could care less.

ISHTA stands out because of their bureaucracy, corruption and need to be "different".

Anyone note how Winnebago county is the butt monkey in the minds of ISHTA? from Boone County eastward (even with Boone not a part of district 1, they made the road much better).

Actually that's quite subjective. MTA has better trains/subways, whereas the CTA has better buses. Either way, most people living in the city have a car as a luxury when they can always use public transportation to get from point A to point B. Having a car in the city is a nuisance in itself due to street parking, expensive parking, and crazy drivers in the city.

Meh, that's all toll road agencies. One good thing about ISTHA compared to the east coast toll roads are that the tolls are MUCH MUCH cheaper. I don't think ITHSA is any more corrupt compared to any other state toll road. One good thing is that per Illinois state law, ITHSA tolls have to go back into the system. In Ohio, the toll revenue can go back into the state budget and be used into whatever program that has nothing to do with the roll road.

Bottom line, I don't mind toll roads. I'm already eyeing the Tesla model 3 so I won't be paying into the gas tax anymore. The only thing that bugs me is when toll roads become ridiculously overpriced (i.e. EOE.) The majority of this toll road was already built 20 years ago and ITHSA just came along and added another lane and fancy LED lights in the median and is now charging a premium $0.20 per mile.  $0.20 per mile is actually similar to what you would find in the east coast, Texas, or California. Very, very expensive.

On the other hand, I usually use the older toll roads (294, 90) and the tolls are a helluva lot cheaper. $0.04 per mile.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: SSOWorld on November 02, 2015, 06:14:29 PM
Chicago's public transportation system is nothing compared to NYC.  There are still plenty of cars outside the city as you said. but the there are people with cars within the city as well as opposed to NYC.

Actually that's quite subjective. MTA has better trains/subways, whereas the CTA has better buses. Either way, most people living in the city have a car as a luxury when they can always use public transportation to get from point A to point B. Having a car in the city is a nuisance in itself due to street parking, expensive parking, and crazy drivers in the city.
A good point, though buses are more direct routes in Chicago and have more free flow vs NYC, they do get handcuffed at rush hour, whereas NYC buses (MTA and in Manhattan in particular) get stuck in traffic pretty much at all times.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: Rothman on November 04, 2015, 11:22:34 AM
Gas tax ain't bringing in what it used to and it won't anymore. You can hike it as much as you want, but people are buying and using electric cars or hybrids. Tolls are the most equitable way of taxing the roads. Y

*ahem*  VMT tax. :>
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: Brandon on November 04, 2015, 12:48:31 PM
Gas tax ain't bringing in what it used to and it won't anymore. You can hike it as much as you want, but people are buying and using electric cars or hybrids. Tolls are the most equitable way of taxing the roads. Y

*ahem*  VMT tax. :>

*ahem* No.  Too easy to cheat, and requires more government than we have now.  Tolls are better.  I also think we should charge for electricity at those charging stations.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: Rothman on November 04, 2015, 01:25:22 PM
Gas tax ain't bringing in what it used to and it won't anymore. You can hike it as much as you want, but people are buying and using electric cars or hybrids. Tolls are the most equitable way of taxing the roads. Y

*ahem*  VMT tax. :>

*ahem* No.  Too easy to cheat, and requires more government than we have now.

Government will ensure that you can't cheat. :>
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: Brandon on November 04, 2015, 01:31:55 PM
Gas tax ain't bringing in what it used to and it won't anymore. You can hike it as much as you want, but people are buying and using electric cars or hybrids. Tolls are the most equitable way of taxing the roads. Y

*ahem*  VMT tax. :>

*ahem* No.  Too easy to cheat, and requires more government than we have now.

Government will ensure that you can't cheat. :>

We know, they cheat enough on their own.  :pan:
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: johndoe780 on November 04, 2015, 03:53:37 PM
Gas tax ain't bringing in what it used to and it won't anymore. You can hike it as much as you want, but people are buying and using electric cars or hybrids. Tolls are the most equitable way of taxing the roads. Y

*ahem*  VMT tax. :>

Rubbish.

Absolutely terrible idea, especially when driving across state lines or simply driving on private property for that matter.

Tolls are a much better idea at the end of the day. Don't like tolls? Find another road.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: johndoe780 on November 04, 2015, 03:55:48 PM
Gas tax ain't bringing in what it used to and it won't anymore. You can hike it as much as you want, but people are buying and using electric cars or hybrids. Tolls are the most equitable way of taxing the roads. Y

*ahem*  VMT tax. :>

*ahem* No.  Too easy to cheat, and requires more government than we have now.  Tolls are better.  I also think we should charge for electricity at those charging stations.

We already pay tax on electricity. Furthermore, how would that even work in residential homes? Two electric meters?
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: Brandon on November 04, 2015, 04:25:17 PM
Gas tax ain't bringing in what it used to and it won't anymore. You can hike it as much as you want, but people are buying and using electric cars or hybrids. Tolls are the most equitable way of taxing the roads. Y

*ahem*  VMT tax. :>

*ahem* No.  Too easy to cheat, and requires more government than we have now.  Tolls are better.  I also think we should charge for electricity at those charging stations.

We already pay tax on electricity. Furthermore, how would that even work in residential homes? Two electric meters?

I'm talking about the quick charge stations showing up at some stores and gas stations.  Right now, they're free.  IMHO, they should be charged for the electricity they use to refuel plus tax.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: johndoe780 on November 04, 2015, 06:25:41 PM
Gas tax ain't bringing in what it used to and it won't anymore. You can hike it as much as you want, but people are buying and using electric cars or hybrids. Tolls are the most equitable way of taxing the roads. Y

*ahem*  VMT tax. :>

*ahem* No.  Too easy to cheat, and requires more government than we have now.  Tolls are better.  I also think we should charge for electricity at those charging stations.

We already pay tax on electricity. Furthermore, how would that even work in residential homes? Two electric meters?

I'm talking about the quick charge stations showing up at some stores and gas stations.  Right now, they're free.  IMHO, they should be charged for the electricity they use to refuel plus tax.

What's stopping someone from avoiding those chargers and just charging at home?

I assume most of those people do anyways. I think I read somewhere on the Leaf forums someone charged up at the tollway oasis for $7 compared to $1-2 compared to charging at home.

To save $5, I'd rather charge at home as well, unless I really needed some juice.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: Rothman on November 05, 2015, 11:44:38 AM
Gas tax ain't bringing in what it used to and it won't anymore. You can hike it as much as you want, but people are buying and using electric cars or hybrids. Tolls are the most equitable way of taxing the roads. Y

*ahem*  VMT tax. :>

Rubbish.

Absolutely terrible idea, especially when driving across state lines or simply driving on private property for that matter.


I don't see the issue with driving across state lines or driving on private property.  Gas tax affects you no matter where you drive as well.

Make it a federal tax and divvy it back out to the states.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: johndoe780 on November 05, 2015, 05:18:57 PM
Gas tax ain't bringing in what it used to and it won't anymore. You can hike it as much as you want, but people are buying and using electric cars or hybrids. Tolls are the most equitable way of taxing the roads. Y

*ahem*  VMT tax. :>

Rubbish.

Absolutely terrible idea, especially when driving across state lines or simply driving on private property for that matter.


I don't see the issue with driving across state lines or driving on private property.  Gas tax affects you no matter where you drive as well.

Make it a federal tax and divvy it back out to the states.

Because so much of the federal gas tax goes back to roads?

I read on somewhere, only 50-60% of the federal gas tax even ends up going back to the roads. How about we fix that first before we start come up with extremely convoluted taxing schemes?

To make matters even more complex, most millenials just move to X,Y, or Z large city and just use public transportation and ditch their car.

Tolls just seem more straightforward since it doesn't require any more complexities (or government looking to see how much I'm driving or where I'm driving.)
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: I-39 on November 05, 2015, 06:14:52 PM
Gas tax ain't bringing in what it used to and it won't anymore. You can hike it as much as you want, but people are buying and using electric cars or hybrids. Tolls are the most equitable way of taxing the roads. Y

*ahem*  VMT tax. :>

Rubbish.

Absolutely terrible idea, especially when driving across state lines or simply driving on private property for that matter.


I don't see the issue with driving across state lines or driving on private property.  Gas tax affects you no matter where you drive as well.

Make it a federal tax and divvy it back out to the states.

Because so much of the federal gas tax goes back to roads?

I read on somewhere, only 50-60% of the federal gas tax even ends up going back to the roads. How about we fix that first before we start come up with extremely convoluted taxing schemes?

To make matters even more complex, most millenials just move to X,Y, or Z large city and just use public transportation and ditch their car.

Tolls just seem more straightforward since it doesn't require any more complexities (or government looking to see how much I'm driving or where I'm driving.)

Then by your logic, we need to toll ALL roads, not just Interstates/limited-access highways. Why bother having DOT's if the Tollway is to run everything? Why should I have to pay for a road originally and then have it tolled so I have to pay again to use it (basically what the EOWA has become).

The reason the gas tax brings in smaller and smaller revenue is that is has not be raised in most states (and federally) in over 20 years. If it was actually raised periodically, it would bring in revenue to maintain roads and for capital projects. I do agree though, that taxes should be placed on any new source of fuel cars may get in the future (whether that be electric or something else)

Getting back to Illinois, other states surrounding it can build new highways without toll booths. Why can't Illinois? The problem is state government mismanagement of IDOT and lack of innovation within that department. If Illinois actually got competent government, we could have built the EOWA as a free road (like it should have been).

I do not mind the existing toll road system staying in place, but it should not be expanded any further (with the exception of the IL-53 extension). Expanding it to include the EOWA is just stupid, especially when the original road was paid for with tax dollars. Now the tollway will have a monopoly on all the commuter routes into Chicago and O'Hare. There should be a free (limited access highway) alternative. Also, the tollway is wasting its money building the EOWA since it won't even connect with western access to O'Hare. They would have been better off using the resources they are using on the EOWA to rebuild the I-90/I-290/IL-53 interchange and build the IL-53 extension.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: johndoe780 on November 05, 2015, 07:12:58 PM
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Then by your logic, we need to toll ALL roads, not just Interstates/limited-access highways. Why bother having DOT's if the Tollway is to run everything? Why should I have to pay for a road originally and then have it tolled so I have to pay again to use it (basically what the EOWA has become).

The reason the gas tax brings in smaller and smaller revenue is that is has not be raised in most states (and federally) in over 20 years. If it was actually raised periodically, it would bring in revenue to maintain roads and for capital projects. I do agree though, that taxes should be placed on any new source of fuel cars may get in the future (whether that be electric or something else)

Getting back to Illinois, other states surrounding it can build new highways without toll booths. Why can't Illinois? The problem is state government mismanagement of IDOT and lack of innovation within that department. If Illinois actually got competent government, we could have built the EOWA as a free road (like it should have been).

I do not mind the existing toll road system staying in place, but it should not be expanded any further (with the exception of the IL-53 extension). Expanding it to include the EOWA is just stupid, especially when the original road was paid for with tax dollars. Now the tollway will have a monopoly on all the commuter routes into Chicago and O'Hare. There should be a free (limited access highway) alternative. Also, the tollway is wasting its money building the EOWA since it won't even connect with western access to O'Hare. They would have been better off using the resources they are using on the EOWA to rebuild the I-90/I-290/IL-53 interchange and build the IL-53 extension.

The fact is that the majority of new highways created today are being built by tolls. Just look at Texas, North Carolina, or heck even Kentucky. States that do not currently have tolls (Minnesota, Michigan, or Kentucky) are already looking into creating tolled roads. States that don't have toll roads currently (i.e. Wisconsin) also have non-existent public transportation as well which places a greater need on highways.

IDOT is not solely to blame when it comes to incompetent highways. There's also the USDOT which shares equal blame when it comes to incompetence. USDOT approved the takeover of EOE from IDOT to ITHSA If you think IDOT's alone when it comes to incompetence, you really need to take a drive to the east coast, particularly to NY/NJ. The problem you have here in Chicagoland is that you have public transportation and highways fighting for the same slice of the pie and both want in on the action.

The other part of the equation is the anti-car movement that's growing these days and moving to the city using public trans and people are also driving less today than 10 years ago. People these days are OK with the gas tax being funneled towards public transportation, bike lanes, etc. In my opinion, if these bicyclists want in on the action, then they should pay some sort of bike tax. Raise the gas tax all you want, by if that money is being funneled towards bike lanes or public transit, then what's the point?  If the money's going to go towards extending the red line towards 130th street, how's that going to create the sorely needed 290/53/90 interchange? At the end of the day, there isn't enough money being put in either public trans or highways in Chicagoland. Part of the blame is because of IDOT, the other part of the blame is within USDOT, neither of which have raised the gas tax in 2 decades.

Bottom line is, in the next 5,10,15, 20 years, a good chunk of the cars will be electric, hybrid, or extended range EV. The question is what's more equitable towards paying for road projects? Increasing the gas tax? Taxing electricity? VMT tax? higher registration fees? or tolls?

Currently, raising the gas tax for the near future is more sensible, but that's not going to cut it looking forward.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: I-39 on November 05, 2015, 08:12:31 PM
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Then by your logic, we need to toll ALL roads, not just Interstates/limited-access highways. Why bother having DOT's if the Tollway is to run everything? Why should I have to pay for a road originally and then have it tolled so I have to pay again to use it (basically what the EOWA has become).

The reason the gas tax brings in smaller and smaller revenue is that is has not be raised in most states (and federally) in over 20 years. If it was actually raised periodically, it would bring in revenue to maintain roads and for capital projects. I do agree though, that taxes should be placed on any new source of fuel cars may get in the future (whether that be electric or something else)

Getting back to Illinois, other states surrounding it can build new highways without toll booths. Why can't Illinois? The problem is state government mismanagement of IDOT and lack of innovation within that department. If Illinois actually got competent government, we could have built the EOWA as a free road (like it should have been).

I do not mind the existing toll road system staying in place, but it should not be expanded any further (with the exception of the IL-53 extension). Expanding it to include the EOWA is just stupid, especially when the original road was paid for with tax dollars. Now the tollway will have a monopoly on all the commuter routes into Chicago and O'Hare. There should be a free (limited access highway) alternative. Also, the tollway is wasting its money building the EOWA since it won't even connect with western access to O'Hare. They would have been better off using the resources they are using on the EOWA to rebuild the I-90/I-290/IL-53 interchange and build the IL-53 extension.

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The fact is that the majority of new highways created today are being built by tolls. Just look at Texas, North Carolina, or heck even Kentucky. States that do not currently have tolls (Minnesota, Michigan, or Kentucky) are already looking into creating tolled roads. States that don't have toll roads currently (i.e. Wisconsin) also have non-existent public transportation as well which places a greater need on highways.

Sure, there are studies out, but very few have gained traction. And most of those are not tolling Interstates, it's other side roads.

Kentucky had toll roads, but unlike Illinois, they followed their own law and removed the tolls from the parkways once the bonds were paid off. They MIGHT reinstate them on the parkways where I-69 will run along, to help upgrade them to Interstate-standards, but they would be removed once the bonds are paid off.

The fact is most states do not rely on tolls to build new limited access highways. None of neighbouring states to Illinois do, and frankly, it makes us a laughing stock. We are the biggest state in the Midwest, we should have the most revenue, and yet, we can barely scrape together enough funds to maintain our highways? Pathetic.

We wouldn't even be having this discussion if state DOT's were properly funded and managed.

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IDOT is not solely to blame when it comes to incompetent highways. There's also the USDOT which shares equal blame when it comes to incompetence. USDOT approved the takeover of EOE from IDOT to ITHSA If you think IDOT's alone when it comes to incompetence, you really need to take a drive to the east coast, particularly to NY/NJ. The problem you have here in Chicagoland is that you have public transportation and highways fighting for the same slice of the pie and both want in on the action.

The other part of the equation is the anti-car movement that's growing these days. People these days are OK with the gas tax being funneled towards public transportation, bike lanes, etc. In my opinion, if these bicyclists want in on the action, then they should pay some sort of bike tax. Raise the gas tax all you want, by if that money is being funneled towards bike lanes or public transit, then what's the point?  If the money's going to go towards extending the red line towards 130th street, how's that going to create the sorely needed 290/53/90 interchange? At the end of the day, there isn't enough money being put in either public trans or highways in Chicagoland. Part of the blame is because of IDOT, the other part of the blame is within USDOT, neither of which have raised the gas tax in 2 decades.

Again, this goes back to the mismanagement of IDOT by the state government. Motor fuel taxes should ONLY go for roads, not public transportation. But this is yet another example of politicians raiding specific tax funds for purposes other than what is was originally collected for. If motor fuel taxes only went to roads and were raised to keep up with inflation, then we wouldn't be having this problem. I agree 10000000% transit should pay for it's own projects. 

The fact that the EOWA was approved to be converted to a toll road by USDOT doesn't change the fact it should have been built as a free road. The project was listed as a project of national or regional significance by USDOT and they knew IDOT wouldn't be coming up with the $3.4 billion anytime soon. But if things were managed better, IDOT would have been able to pay for it.

And as I said, ISTHA is wasting it's money with the EOWA. Until Chicago and O'Hare figures out what to do about western access, the EOWA isn't needed. The tollway should have built IL-53 instead.

Also, who's to say ISTHA won't be raided in the future for $$$$? There's nothing stopping Springfield from doing so if they wanted to.

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Bottom line is, in the next 5,10,15, 20 years, a good chunk of the cars will be electric, hybrid, or extended range EV. The question is what's more equitable towards paying for road projects? Increasing the gas tax? Taxing electricity? VMT tax? higher registration fees? or tolls?

Currently, raising the gas tax for the near future is more sensible, but that's not going to cut it looking forward.

Well, for the time being, most cars still run on gas, and they will until some sort of reliable alternative fuel is created that enables cars to go as long as they can as gas cars between refueling/recharging.

Honestly, money for roads may come from some sort of combination of all of the things you mentioned. Something is going to have to be done soon.

Bottom line is this, IDOT needs reform, the state needs to get it's fiscal house in order, the gas tax needs to be raised and appropriated towards roads only. We shouldn't have all toll roads in Chicagoland.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: kkt on November 06, 2015, 12:46:36 PM
Because so much of the federal gas tax goes back to roads?

I read on somewhere, only 50-60% of the federal gas tax even ends up going back to the roads. How about we fix that first before we start come up with extremely convoluted taxing schemes?

"Somewhere", really?  I spent seconds and seconds googling and found this:

For the fiscal year Oct. 2014-Sept. 2015, the Federal highway trust fund changes:

Opening Balance    $15 B
Highway Outlays    $43 B
Mass Transit Outlays    $9 B
Receipts from Dedicated Fund    $40 B
Receipts from General Fund    $8 B
Closing Balance    $12 B
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Highway_Trust_Fund#Fund_balance (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Highway_Trust_Fund#Fund_balance)

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To make matters even more complex, most millenials just move to X,Y, or Z large city and just use public transportation and ditch their car.

Then they are only using the roads indirectly and therefore don't pay directly for their construction and upkeep.  I don't see the problem there.

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Tolls just seem more straightforward since it doesn't require any more complexities (or government looking to see how much I'm driving or where I'm driving.)

The problem is it's expensive to collect the tolls.  Automatic tolling equipment takes a large cut of the money they take in.  Gas tax has almost no overhead to collect.  Also, there's no nationwide standard for automatic toll collection, so states or localities are discriminating against visitors by charging them higher tolls.  Hybrids are usually lightweight and so put less wear on the roads and use gas more efficiently so I'm fine with them paying lower taxes.

Gas tax isn't perfect, but I think it's the best option in general.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: Revive 755 on November 15, 2015, 11:08:20 PM
Cook County Record:  Canadian Pacific asks court to block Tollway from taking land at Bensenville rail yard for Elgin O'Hare project (http://cookcountyrecord.com/stories/510648137-canadian-pacific-asks-court-to-block-tollway-from-taking-land-at-bensenville-rail-yard-for-elgin-o-hare-project)

This would affect the Western Bypass (I-490) near the connection with I-294.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: johndoe780 on November 16, 2015, 07:56:38 PM
Cook County Record:  Canadian Pacific asks court to block Tollway from taking land at Bensenville rail yard for Elgin O'Hare project (http://cookcountyrecord.com/stories/510648137-canadian-pacific-asks-court-to-block-tollway-from-taking-land-at-bensenville-rail-yard-for-elgin-o-hare-project)

This would affect the Western Bypass (I-490) near the connection with I-294.

Sounds like CP is just whining that semi-trucks can and will move faster through Chicago than via rail. Instead of fighting ITHSA, CP should fix their own shit.

Poor excuse as IDOT can always eminent domain it and transfer the land for free to ITHSA.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: Rick Powell on November 16, 2015, 10:18:39 PM
Poor excuse as IDOT can always eminent domain it and transfer the land for free to ITHSA.

This case may not be as cut and dried as you think.  ISTHA has the same condemnation powers as IDOT, IIRC.  But railroads also have condemnation powers, and are dealt with in a special way by state and federal law because of their role in intrastate and interstate commerce.  It will be interesting to see how this unfolds.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: johndoe780 on November 17, 2015, 11:00:48 AM
Poor excuse as IDOT can always eminent domain it and transfer the land for free to ITHSA.

This case may not be as cut and dried as you think.  ISTHA has the same condemnation powers as IDOT, IIRC.  But railroads also have condemnation powers, and are dealt with in a special way by state and federal law because of their role in intrastate and interstate commerce.  It will be interesting to see how this unfolds.

I agree, it's not. But it's common knowledge that Chicago rail is the busiest and takes 21-24 hours just to go through via rail. This is mainly due to lack of investment in the area.

CP just doesn't want to compete with trucks at the end of the day, which can move through Chicago faster.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: dietermoreno on December 11, 2015, 06:55:31 PM
Could this derail the EOWA project south of IL 390 if Candian Pacific won in court (they probably will if freight railroads are considered exempt from state eminant domain), or would the tollway just buy land to the west of the railroad and not have an interchange with Irving Park (increasing the project costs)?

Would the Metra Milwaukee District West line be effected if the eminant domain was successful?  Maybe put the Metra in the median like the El?  I don't think the west bypass south of IL 390 is worth axing Metra service on the MDW line, especially when O'hare doesn't even have a west terminal yet.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: quickshade on December 12, 2015, 03:25:23 PM
This all comes down to the same thing. They have the money to invest in improvements to the network but refuse to spend any of that money. Honestly you would think a more modern, smart and faster rail system would be a huge plus to not only Chicago but the whole Tri-State area. Not only for the passenger trains but freight trains as well. But they look at it as something that would take a lot of investment up front that won't pay off for 10 years even though by not doing it you fall further behind other services that are improving in the area. So instead they look for ways to derail other projects so that they don't have to make these improvements.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: dave069 on December 31, 2015, 08:16:51 PM
On a more positive note, the third-laning of IL-390 is complete between Meacham/Medina Rd. and Irving Park. Speed "limit" has also been restored to 55.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: rte66man on January 01, 2016, 11:40:46 AM
This all comes down to the same thing. They have the money to invest in improvements to the network but refuse to spend any of that money. Honestly you would think a more modern, smart and faster rail system would be a huge plus to not only Chicago but the whole Tri-State area. Not only for the passenger trains but freight trains as well. But they look at it as something that would take a lot of investment up front that won't pay off for 10 years even though by not doing it you fall further behind other services that are improving in the area. So instead they look for ways to derail other projects so that they don't have to make these improvements.

http://trn.trains.com/issues/2015/july-2015

Most of the issue is devoted to this very subject.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: I-39 on January 06, 2016, 10:19:33 PM
On a more positive note, the third-laning of IL-390 is complete between Meacham/Medina Rd. and Irving Park. Speed "limit" has also been restored to 55.

It's just too bad they are going to drop a lane east of I-290.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: johndoe780 on January 07, 2016, 02:57:12 AM
This all comes down to the same thing. They have the money to invest in improvements to the network but refuse to spend any of that money. Honestly you would think a more modern, smart and faster rail system would be a huge plus to not only Chicago but the whole Tri-State area. Not only for the passenger trains but freight trains as well. But they look at it as something that would take a lot of investment up front that won't pay off for 10 years even though by not doing it you fall further behind other services that are improving in the area. So instead they look for ways to derail other projects so that they don't have to make these improvements.

http://trn.trains.com/issues/2015/july-2015

Most of the issue is devoted to this very subject.

Seems to me that they (rail companies) want uncle Sam to foot the bill when it comes to rail infrastructure upgrades, but kick and howl when uncle Sam creates new highways that semi trucks can use that would otherwise be on rail.

Competition is a great thing. These rail companies sure do know how to make an ass out of themselves. It's too bad that keystone was vetoed.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: mgk920 on January 07, 2016, 11:09:43 AM
This all comes down to the same thing. They have the money to invest in improvements to the network but refuse to spend any of that money. Honestly you would think a more modern, smart and faster rail system would be a huge plus to not only Chicago but the whole Tri-State area. Not only for the passenger trains but freight trains as well. But they look at it as something that would take a lot of investment up front that won't pay off for 10 years even though by not doing it you fall further behind other services that are improving in the area. So instead they look for ways to derail other projects so that they don't have to make these improvements.

http://trn.trains.com/issues/2015/july-2015

Most of the issue is devoted to this very subject.

Seems to me that they (rail companies) want uncle Sam to foot the bill when it comes to rail infrastructure upgrades, but kick and howl when uncle Sam creates new highways that semi trucks can use that would otherwise be on rail.

Competition is a great thing. These rail companies sure do know how to make an ass out of themselves. It's too bad that keystone was vetoed.

A bit off topic, but IMHO, I am firmly in the camp that says that if any tax money is spent on upgrading railroad infrastructure that the line must operate on a full, non-discriminatory 'open access' basis (like with how roads, civil aviation and so forth now operate), where anyone can directly use it and go wherever he or she wants to as long as 1 - the user's equipment meets required minimum technical standards, 2 - the user's operating crew is properly qualified and licensed and 3 - the user is willing and able to pay any necessary fees and tolls.

I want rails to enjoy the same operating environment that the trucking companies, bus companies, ship companies, airlines and so forth now enjoy.

Mike
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: I-39 on January 15, 2016, 02:07:11 PM
More drama with the EOWA. Looks like Politics are now being dragged into it.

http://www.chicagobusiness.com/article/20160113/BLOGS02/160119935/springfield-war-spreads-to-key-ohare-project (http://www.chicagobusiness.com/article/20160113/BLOGS02/160119935/springfield-war-spreads-to-key-ohare-project)
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: johndoe780 on January 15, 2016, 04:57:11 PM
More drama with the EOWA. Looks like Politics are now being dragged into it.

http://www.chicagobusiness.com/article/20160113/BLOGS02/160119935/springfield-war-spreads-to-key-ohare-project (http://www.chicagobusiness.com/article/20160113/BLOGS02/160119935/springfield-war-spreads-to-key-ohare-project)

Read about this. Looks like Rahm is just trying to fight back against Rauner for not helping him bail out CPS.


Realistically, I'm going to have to say this is going to side with Rauner. Eminent domain of public land is always a touchy subject and there's really no clear rules. 1) O'hare is federal land, meaning Rahm can't just wave his finger around nilly wily 2) land should be re-appraised for the "real" market value 3) If this goes to the courts, most likely they're going to go by Daley's prior agreement with the tollway.

Bottom line is Rahm is just trying to throw a punch back at Rauner, but looks like it's a piss poor punch.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: I-39 on January 15, 2016, 05:55:57 PM
More drama with the EOWA. Looks like Politics are now being dragged into it.

http://www.chicagobusiness.com/article/20160113/BLOGS02/160119935/springfield-war-spreads-to-key-ohare-project (http://www.chicagobusiness.com/article/20160113/BLOGS02/160119935/springfield-war-spreads-to-key-ohare-project)

Read about this. Looks like Rahm is just trying to fight back against Rauner for not helping him bail out CPS.


Realistically, I'm going to have to say this is going to side with Rauner. Eminent domain of public land is always a touchy subject and there's really no clear rules. 1) O'hare is federal land, meaning Rahm can't just wave his finger around nilly wily 2) land should be re-appraised for the "real" market value 3) If this goes to the courts, most likely they're going to go by Daley's prior agreement with the tollway.

Bottom line is Rahm is just trying to throw a punch back at Rauner, but looks like it's a piss poor punch.

True. This project needs to go through, so Rahm needs to shut up and stop acting like a crybaby.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: CtrlAltDel on January 15, 2016, 08:47:11 PM
1) O'hare is federal land, meaning Rahm can't just wave his finger around nilly wily

Are you sure about that? If it's federal land, why is the city potentially selling it?
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: noelbotevera on January 15, 2016, 09:08:47 PM
Alright, this is just my own opinion. So I will bold it, just in case the admins decide to delete this reply. To be honest, the corruption in Chicago is way off the charts. They've refused to build roads ever since the Crosstown was canceled, and I don't except for places like Thorndale Avenue to become IL 390. The governor might just scrap all the road construction into a paper ball and throw it in the trash, considering how slow construction has been going....it's been about two years since construction started, but I did expect it to be finished a little earlierthan that, but considering $$$ is a problem...I wonder how this will pull through.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: johndoe780 on January 16, 2016, 02:05:37 AM
1) O'hare is federal land, meaning Rahm can't just wave his finger around nilly wily

Are you sure about that? If it's federal land, why is the city potentially selling it?
O'hare is in Chicago. However, any and all business involved with O'hare is under Federal radar and scrutiny.

The city is selling it because the tollway just can't eminent domain it. Public government can't eminent domain public land. It's a rather convoluted topic, but to sum it up, Chicago can sell the land to the tollway.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: quickshade on January 16, 2016, 01:43:45 PM
I think the state can get their own assessment on the property and offer a fair value. This is Rahm who is taking a lot of heat on all sides trying to push back a bit. It won't work.

EDIT: Build the road, skip this part and have traffic exit onto local streets, it won't take long for everyone to become upset and then you point the blame on Chicago for not playing fair.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: dietermoreno on January 31, 2016, 06:46:59 PM
Why not just raise tolls to pay for the land aquisition if the Illinois Tollway isn't going to be just given the land for free anymore?

  200 million out of the doubling of tolls to pay for the 12 billion dollar capital project would only require tolls to be raised about 5%. Mainline tollplazas NOT on I-355 south extension: $1.90 cash would become $2.00 cash and $0.95 IPass would become $1.00 IPass.  Mainline tollplazas ON I-355 south extension: $3.80 cash would become $4.00 cash and $1.90 IPass would become $2.00 IPass.

While were at it, we could raise tolls another 7.5% to pay for the 300 million dollar land acquistion for the IL-53 IL-120 project.  Mainline tollplazas NOT on I-355 south extension: $1.90 cash would become $2.15 cash and $0.95 IPass would become $1.10 IPass.  Mainline tollplazas ON I-355 south extension: $3.80 cash would become $4.30 cash and $1.90 IPass would become $2.15 IPass.

While were at it, we could raise tolls another 2.5% to pay 100 million dollars for 50 million dollars for Phase II engineering and environmental studies for the IL-53 IL-120 project and 50 million dollars for engineering and studies of emerging tollway projects, like the West Elgin-O'hare extension (protect a corridor before Hanover Park and Bartlet keep growing), the Central Tristate Rebuild, tolled improvements to the Eisenhower and Stevenson, the Crosstown Expressway / Midcity Transitway / Midcity Truckway, the Southland Chicago Expressway (I-394), the Richmond Bypass (protect a corridor before the suburbs reach Richmond), the Illiana Expressway (low priority until higher traffic volumes to pay enough tolls in 2030 but protect a corridor), and the Praire Parkway (low priority until higher traffic volumes to pay enough tolls in 2030, but protect a corridor and continue protecting the existing protected corridor).

While were at it, we could raise tolls another 5% to pay 200 million dollars to save in an account for land acquistion and corridor protection for the above emerging projects.

 It would be the most fair to only raise tolls system wide if the money is going to improvements across the Chicago area that benefits all tollway customers in all areas of Chicago.  So a TOTAL system wide toll increase of 20%.  Mainline tollplazas NOT on I-355 south extension: $1.90 cash would become $2.30 cash and $0.95 IPass would become $1.15 IPass.  Mainline tollplazas ON I-355 south extension: $3.80 cash would become $4.45 cash and $1.90 IPass would become $2.25 IPass.

I would gladly pay 20% higher tolls to fund this when I choose to use the tollway - when I don't use IL-59 (I-355 alternate from Barington to Aurora), Plank Rd and US 20 and the Elgin O'hare and Thorndale Ave and IL-83 and IL-38 (I-88 alternate from Oakbrook Terrace to Dekalb), IL-83 (I-294 alternate from Wheeling to Willowbrook), I-290 and IL -53 and US 12 (I-90 alternate from the west side to Madison), and US -41 (I-294 alternate from Skokie to Kenosha), and IL-53 (old US 66 first bypass) and Joliet Rd (old US 66 first bypass) and I-55 (old US 66 second bypass) (I-355 South Extension alternate from Boilingbrook to Joliet).  I often use alternate routes to not pay tolls even if it takes a little longer.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: quickshade on January 31, 2016, 08:40:20 PM
I'd like to wait until after the election. Several candidates have suggested rebuilding our infrastructure. So if someone like Bernie get's elected and gets a 1 Trillion dollar infrastructure improvement plan passed I would venture to bet ISTHA would get some pretty good funding out of it.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: Joe The Dragon on February 01, 2016, 02:51:26 PM
Why not just raise tolls to pay for the land aquisition if the Illinois Tollway isn't going to be just given the land for free anymore?

  200 million out of the doubling of tolls to pay for the 12 billion dollar capital project would only require tolls to be raised about 5%. Mainline tollplazas NOT on I-355 south extension: $1.90 cash would become $2.00 cash and $0.95 IPass would become $1.00 IPass.  Mainline tollplazas ON I-355 south extension: $3.80 cash would become $4.00 cash and $1.90 IPass would become $2.00 IPass.

While were at it, we could raise tolls another 7.5% to pay for the 300 million dollar land acquistion for the IL-53 IL-120 project.  Mainline tollplazas NOT on I-355 south extension: $1.90 cash would become $2.15 cash and $0.95 IPass would become $1.10 IPass.  Mainline tollplazas ON I-355 south extension: $3.80 cash would become $4.30 cash and $1.90 IPass would become $2.15 IPass.

While were at it, we could raise tolls another 2.5% to pay 100 million dollars for 50 million dollars for Phase II engineering and environmental studies for the IL-53 IL-120 project and 50 million dollars for engineering and studies of emerging tollway projects, like the West Elgin-O'hare extension (protect a corridor before Hanover Park and Bartlet keep growing), the Central Tristate Rebuild, tolled improvements to the Eisenhower and Stevenson, the Crosstown Expressway / Midcity Transitway / Midcity Truckway, the Southland Chicago Expressway (I-394), the Richmond Bypass (protect a corridor before the suburbs reach Richmond), the Illiana Expressway (low priority until higher traffic volumes to pay enough tolls in 2030 but protect a corridor), and the Praire Parkway (low priority until higher traffic volumes to pay enough tolls in 2030, but protect a corridor and continue protecting the existing protected corridor).


Richmond Bypass  / FAP 420 Is some what protected but We need a trump to kick the environmentalists out or maybe some high end way to work around some of areas. Or even pull a west dodge expressway.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: dietermoreno on February 01, 2016, 10:31:56 PM
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Or even pull a west dodge expressway.

https://www.google.com/maps/@41.2631136,-96.0942602,3a,75y,90h,90t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1seczuqSFhwHTZIWqFU0Mi1A!2e0!7i13312!8i6656 (https://www.google.com/maps/@41.2631136,-96.0942602,3a,75y,90h,90t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1seczuqSFhwHTZIWqFU0Mi1A!2e0!7i13312!8i6656)

https://www.google.com/maps/@41.2633325,-96.0985127,3a,75y,270h,90t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s1PKobVyp5ZYl4Ygrrx8iKA!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo0.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3D1PKobVyp5ZYl4Ygrrx8iKA%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D4.5278549%26pitch%3D0!7i13312!8i6656 (https://www.google.com/maps/@41.2633325,-96.0985127,3a,75y,270h,90t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s1PKobVyp5ZYl4Ygrrx8iKA!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo0.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3D1PKobVyp5ZYl4Ygrrx8iKA%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D4.5278549%26pitch%3D0!7i13312!8i6656)



On top of Rt 12 through downtown Richmond?  Rt 12 through downtown Richmond is only about 40 feet wide it looks like.

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Richmond,+IL/@42.4762571,-88.3063121,152m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m2!3m1!1s0x880f7cbd5bf02fe7:0x58e8938746a9eb1c!6m1!1e1 (https://www.google.com/maps/place/Richmond,+IL/@42.4762571,-88.3063121,152m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m2!3m1!1s0x880f7cbd5bf02fe7:0x58e8938746a9eb1c!6m1!1e1)


Maybe pave over the praire trail and make as Main St one way south one lane wide, make existing Main St one way north, put the supporting piers on the west side of existing Main St where parking is, have perpendicular parking between the supporting piers, have perpendicular parking on the east side of the existing Main St, and one lane wide traveling north on existing Main St.

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Richmond,+IL/@42.4765513,-88.3076781,153m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m2!3m1!1s0x880f7cbd5bf02fe7:0x58e8938746a9eb1c!6m1!1e1 (https://www.google.com/maps/place/Richmond,+IL/@42.4765513,-88.3076781,153m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m2!3m1!1s0x880f7cbd5bf02fe7:0x58e8938746a9eb1c!6m1!1e1)


I don't think the downtown Richmond business owners and residents would be okay with a tollway over their stores and houses.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: Joe The Dragon on February 02, 2016, 01:53:38 PM
I was thinking some like the west dodge expressway over parts of US12 lake zurich (IL-53 alt), fox lake (fap 420 alt). Other parts of us 12 can be RIRO expressway with parts of IL-120 lakemoor RIRO.

Maybe do something the I-355 EXT or one of plans for the IL-53 EXT to work around the environmentalists that are in the way of the Richmond bypass and volo bog, may be have to be toll and not free. Also maybe an link to an IL-47 area (Huntley bypass and then down to prairie parkway)
or ALT bypass of mc area toll road. Link some ware between wonder lake and Mcullom lake and then a long bull valley rd area back to IL-120. (know parts of that area well)

May be to hard to get to randall rd / james rakow road but randall rd has the room to do a west dodge expressway or maybe just one that is not 2 level. Upgrading IL-31 may be hard other then just 4-6 laneing it. (know parts of that area well)

Upgarded us12 may have to be free
US 12 waucoda just needs more RIRO / longer frontages and maybe 1-2 more overpass.  Up to volo maybe 1-2 utrun bays or an overpass or 2.

waucoda to lake zurich mix of RIRO with longer frontages and maybe 1-3 more overpass and a west dodge expressway setup (Room to toll part of it)

and then may have to keep the upper level all the way till lake cook road / IL-53.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: quickshade on February 02, 2016, 03:23:55 PM
You could never upgrade 12 to handle that traffic and still be a local "highway/roadway". Some of that traffic on 12 is local traffic, and considering the massive expansion that happened around 12 most of it is now retail outlets that require stoplights. The cost of building something to handle both would be no cheaper than building 53 and would most likely face even more criticism because it would not handle the traffic flow like 53 would.

53 should be built, 120 in both directions should be semi expressway from i94 to Volo, from their convert it to a 6 lane parkway and tie it into 31 after McHenry, all the way up to where 12 meets into 31 at the 4 way now. Force the traffic to bottleneck in Richmond and claim your hands are tied. I'm not one for ruining the environment, but this has been a plan going back to the late 60's, time to stop acting like we can't move forward anymore.

The 120 bypass of Mchenry could still be completed, and while the 31 bypass of Mchenry more than likely could not happen anymore, completing 1 section of the project would be a vast improvement to the rest of the roadways as far as signal timing and traffic flow goes.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: Joe The Dragon on February 03, 2016, 09:57:39 AM
You could never upgrade 12 to handle that traffic and still be a local "highway/roadway". Some of that traffic on 12 is local traffic, and considering the massive expansion that happened around 12 most of it is now retail outlets that require stoplights. The cost of building something to handle both would be no cheaper than building 53 and would most likely face even more criticism because it would not handle the traffic flow like 53 would.

53 should be built, 120 in both directions should be semi expressway from i94 to Volo, from their convert it to a 6 lane parkway and tie it into 31 after McHenry, all the way up to where 12 meets into 31 at the 4 way now. Force the traffic to bottleneck in Richmond and claim your hands are tied. I'm not one for ruining the environment, but this has been a plan going back to the late 60's, time to stop acting like we can't move forward anymore.

The 120 bypass of Mchenry could still be completed, and while the 31 bypass of Mchenry more than likely could not happen anymore, completing 1 section of the project would be a vast improvement to the rest of the roadways as far as signal timing and traffic flow goes.

IL-120 and o'plaine road needs a overpass / underpass and full I-94 Interchange (no clover leaf) Making IL-120 toll makes it easier or just have start a slow move to have the full IL-toll way be like the ERT 407 or the EOE. ETC or pay online / by mail (added admin fee no penalties).

add more ramps at IL-21 if needed for local moves (IL-120 has some local stuff that can be linked by forage roads + 1-2 over/under passes).



IL-31 is now 4 lanes though  Mchenry looks easy to make it 4 lanes from there to ring wood and to Richmond by us12. Same thing for US-12 to Fox lake.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: Joe The Dragon on February 03, 2016, 10:18:09 AM
If they Built the Richmond bypass then can have a FAP 420 ALT using a Link some ware between wonder lake and Mcullom lake and then a long bull valley rd area back to IL-120 may have to be upgraded local roads with some over/under passes.

It may have to come down to HOMES or environmentalists and they have to make the choice soon as the area is growing and there may even be a need for a link from that US-12 WI down to I-90 and to I-94 + IL-53.  IL-53 is needed as well for helping lake. 
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: tribar on February 03, 2016, 04:46:27 PM

You could never upgrade 12 to handle that traffic and still be a local "highway/roadway". Some of that traffic on 12 is local traffic, and considering the massive expansion that happened around 12 most of it is now retail outlets that require stoplights. The cost of building something to handle both would be no cheaper than building 53 and would most likely face even more criticism because it would not handle the traffic flow like 53 would.

53 should be built, 120 in both directions should be semi expressway from i94 to Volo, from their convert it to a 6 lane parkway and tie it into 31 after McHenry, all the way up to where 12 meets into 31 at the 4 way now. Force the traffic to bottleneck in Richmond and claim your hands are tied. I'm not one for ruining the environment, but this has been a plan going back to the late 60's, time to stop acting like we can't move forward anymore.

The 120 bypass of Mchenry could still be completed, and while the 31 bypass of Mchenry more than likely could not happen anymore, completing 1 section of the project would be a vast improvement to the rest of the roadways as far as signal timing and traffic flow goes.


IL-31 is now 4 lanes though  Mchenry looks easy to make it 4 lanes from there to ring wood and to Richmond by us12. Same thing for US-12 to Fox lake.

Only north of 120. South of 120 it's still 2 lanes.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: quickshade on February 03, 2016, 08:49:55 PM

You could never upgrade 12 to handle that traffic and still be a local "highway/roadway". Some of that traffic on 12 is local traffic, and considering the massive expansion that happened around 12 most of it is now retail outlets that require stoplights. The cost of building something to handle both would be no cheaper than building 53 and would most likely face even more criticism because it would not handle the traffic flow like 53 would.

53 should be built, 120 in both directions should be semi expressway from i94 to Volo, from their convert it to a 6 lane parkway and tie it into 31 after McHenry, all the way up to where 12 meets into 31 at the 4 way now. Force the traffic to bottleneck in Richmond and claim your hands are tied. I'm not one for ruining the environment, but this has been a plan going back to the late 60's, time to stop acting like we can't move forward anymore.

The 120 bypass of Mchenry could still be completed, and while the 31 bypass of Mchenry more than likely could not happen anymore, completing 1 section of the project would be a vast improvement to the rest of the roadways as far as signal timing and traffic flow goes.


IL-31 is now 4 lanes though  Mchenry looks easy to make it 4 lanes from there to ring wood and to Richmond by us12. Same thing for US-12 to Fox lake.

Only north of 120. South of 120 it's still 2 lanes.
31 From 120 to Charles Miller Road is in the planning stages, and from Charles Miller road to 176 is waiting for funding and environmental studies to finish. you could make 120 4 lanes from 47 to McHenry, and I know they are studying 47 through auntly to 4 lanes.

So much of the traffic issues we have are just finishing roadway studies and most likely lack funding, which brings me back to the fund the infrastructure plans that need to go through washington.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: dietermoreno on February 03, 2016, 10:35:24 PM
It would probably be cheaper to build the IL-53 - IL-120 parkway below grade than to build 8 miles or so of elevated expressway from 53 and Lake Cook Rd to 12 and Lake Cook to northwest of Miller Rd and 12 and underpass Old McHenry Rd and underpass Old Rand Rd and underpass Bonner Rd. 
https://www.google.com/maps/search/lake+cook+rd+to+wauconda+distance+us+12/@42.269944,-88.1612641,12.5z (https://www.google.com/maps/search/lake+cook+rd+to+wauconda+distance+us+12/@42.269944,-88.1612641,12.5z)

For example, the Los Angeles Century Freeway cost $127 million per mile.  8 miles x $127 million = 1.016 billion dollars
http://www-pam.usc.edu/volume2/v2i1a3s2.html (http://www-pam.usc.edu/volume2/v2i1a3s2.html)

If the cost per underpass was $12 million, then $12 million x 3 = $36 million for underpasses without an interchange
https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20101028093438AAa5pm7 (https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20101028093438AAa5pm7)

If the cost of a trumpet interchange at Old McHenry Rd was $8 million and the cost of tight diamond interchanges at Miller Rd, Cuba Rd, Rt 22, Quinten Rd, Lake Cook Rd, and Hicks Rd was $6 million each, then $8 million + 6x$6 million = $42 milion for interchanges
http://www.in.gov/indot/projects/files/I69/Tier1/FEIS/Vol2-Appendixes/Appendix_HH.pdf (http://www.in.gov/indot/projects/files/I69/Tier1/FEIS/Vol2-Appendixes/Appendix_HH.pdf)

Also say the cost of a directional interchange at Lake Cook Rd and IL-53 costs $12 million

Signing and lighting on an interstate standard road not including interchanges lets say $150,000 per mile = 1.2 million

If signing and lighting cost $150,000 for a tight diamond interchange, $175,000 for a trumpet interchange, and $500,000 for a directional interchange = $825,000

Lets say engineering cost $50 million

So total of 1.142 billion dollars not including completeing upgrading US 12 to interstate standards from north of Miller Rd to south of 120.

Lets say $2.5 million per mile for a 4 lane freeway divided by a concrete median.  $2.5 million x 12 miles from north of Miller Rd to south of 120 = $30 million

Add another $150,000 per mile in signing and lighting for 12 miles = $1.8 million

Now lets add a concrete barrier on each side of the freeway to separate adding a two way two lane frontage road on each side of the freeway for 12 miles, with each mile of concrete barrier on one side of the road costing $500,000 per mile, with each mile of two way two lane frontage road on one side of the road costing $825,000 per mile = 2x$500,000x12 + 2x$825,000x12 = $31.8 million

Total cost of a freeway of this type from Lake Cook Rd and 53 to US 12 and south of 120 including upgrading existing at grade road= 1.21 billion dollars

Not including noise walls

If noise walls cost $30,000 per residence, and if 400 residences were noise mitagated from 53 and Lake Cook to US 12 and south of 120, then = $12 million

Total cost of freeway of this type from Lake Cook Rd and 53 to US 12 and south of 120 including upgrading existing at grade road and noise walls= 1.33 billion dollars.

Not including environmental mitigation

If environmental mitigation cost $10,000 per acre and 2 acres wide were mitigated for 20 miles and since a square mile is 640 acres than a mile is 80 acres long = $10,000 x 2 acres wide x 80 acres long x 20 miles = 3200 acres x $10,000 = $32 million

Total cost of freeway of this type from Lake Cook Rd and 53 to US 12 and south of 120 including upgrading existing at grade road, including noise walls, and including environmental mitigation = 1.362 billion dollars

Now what if we toll this road and reroute US 12 to Old Rand Rd in Wauconda and Lake Zurich and reroute US 12 to the frontage roads in between.  The IL - 53 - IL -120 finance commitee suggests electronic toll collection infrastructure will cost $75 million.
http://www.illinoistollway.com/documents/10157/3249733/2015+03+53-120+Finance+Committee_Final+Report.pdf (http://www.illinoistollway.com/documents/10157/3249733/2015+03+53-120+Finance+Committee_Final+Report.pdf)

Also, the IL -53 - IL -120 finance committee suggests engineering will cost $500 million, not $50 million.

Total cost of tollway of this type from Lake Cook Rd and 53 to US 12 and south of 120 including upgrading existing at grade road, including noise walls, including environmental mitigation, including electronic toll collection infrastructure, and including $500 million engineering = 1.887 billion dollars

Also, the IL-53 - IL -120 finance committe suggests a 30% construction contingency is needed.

30% of 1.887 billion dollars = $566 million

Total cost of tollway of this type from Lake Cook Rd and 53 to US 12 and south of 120 including upgrading existing at grade road, including noise walls, including environmental mitigation, including electronic toll colleciton infrastructure, including $500 million engineering, and including 30% construction contingency= 2.45 billion dollars

The IL-53 - IL -120 finance commitee estimates the project will cost 2.35 billion dollars on the low end to 2.65 billion dollars on the high end.

So its actually almost the same price.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: Joe The Dragon on February 05, 2016, 05:43:43 PM
What about less overpasses and a few U-turn bays? There is room in at least a few areas to widen the split out a bit and have some. concrete barrier? why not just a wire cable barrier one?

Also dual full frontages are not really needed. Some areas can get by with with RIRO  + reworked local roads (more links) and joining drive ways.

Or maybe more widening + jughandles or Michigan lefts.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: ChiMilNet on February 06, 2016, 11:50:05 AM
What about less overpasses and a few U-turn bays? There is room in at least a few areas to widen the split out a bit and have some. concrete barrier? why not just a wire cable barrier one?

Also dual full frontages are not really needed. Some areas can get by with with RIRO  + reworked local roads (more links) and joining drive ways.

Or maybe more widening + jughandles or Michigan lefts.

Honestly, if an investment is going to be spent to upgrades to existing routes, do it right, spend a little more, and make it feasible long term! I think the upgrades to the Elgin-O'Hare are a good example of how to go about making upgrades using toll money. The fact is, the EOE will be used no matter what. We live in a state where people know and accept that they need to pay tolls to get any major highways or upgrades built.

Back to the EOE, I know the focus is on completing around O'Hare, which I really think people almost overlook the benefits this could have to congestion at both the 294/90/190 interchange areas, as well as the 294/290/88 interchange (takes cars off the ramps at those interchanges as another way to get to I-294 south from the NW Suburbs). However, since some ROW exists, and the congestion is notorious in that area, why not begin now looking at options for at least extending west from the current West terminus to at least the Western Lake Street connection. That area around Barrington Road is almost unbearable.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: Joe The Dragon on February 09, 2016, 12:25:57 AM

You could never upgrade 12 to handle that traffic and still be a local "highway/roadway". Some of that traffic on 12 is local traffic, and considering the massive expansion that happened around 12 most of it is now retail outlets that require stoplights. The cost of building something to handle both would be no cheaper than building 53 and would most likely face even more criticism because it would not handle the traffic flow like 53 would.

53 should be built, 120 in both directions should be semi expressway from i94 to Volo, from their convert it to a 6 lane parkway and tie it into 31 after McHenry, all the way up to where 12 meets into 31 at the 4 way now. Force the traffic to bottleneck in Richmond and claim your hands are tied. I'm not one for ruining the environment, but this has been a plan going back to the late 60's, time to stop acting like we can't move forward anymore.

The 120 bypass of Mchenry could still be completed, and while the 31 bypass of Mchenry more than likely could not happen anymore, completing 1 section of the project would be a vast improvement to the rest of the roadways as far as signal timing and traffic flow goes.


IL-31 is now 4 lanes though  Mchenry looks easy to make it 4 lanes from there to ring wood and to Richmond by us12. Same thing for US-12 to Fox lake.

Only north of 120. South of 120 it's still 2 lanes.
31 From 120 to Charles Miller Road is in the planning stages, and from Charles Miller road to 176 is waiting for funding and environmental studies to finish. you could make 120 4 lanes from 47 to McHenry, and I know they are studying 47 through auntly to 4 lanes.

So much of the traffic issues we have are just finishing roadway studies and most likely lack funding, which brings me back to the fund the infrastructure plans that need to go through washington.


If only there was some alt history with randall rd / James R rakow road could have been at least a 4 lane expressway from I-90 to IL-31 (maybe even rerouting IL-31 over it)  (would have killed the need for the Algonquin bypass). May even even loop it back to elgin bypass. Then elgin Bypass to I-88.


Then when they link the EOE to elgin Bypass it can be come I-290 with I-355 going to at least I-90 maybe even IL-120 / I-94
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: The Ghostbuster on February 09, 2016, 04:18:48 PM
OT: Are they going to build a new Des Planies Oasis on Interstate 90, to replace the one that was demolished to make way for the West O'Hare Bypass?
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: quickshade on February 09, 2016, 05:09:47 PM
OT: Are they going to build a new Des Planies Oasis on Interstate 90, to replace the one that was demolished to make way for the West O'Hare Bypass?

In short no, They needed the room for the i90 expansion and 390 tie in. I believe they were pretty expensive and never generated the capital that would make them feasible to want and try again. Relics of the old age I guess you can say.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: paulthemapguy on February 17, 2016, 11:31:52 AM
If you all want to discuss developments in Lake County, IL (Lake Zurich, Volo, etc.) you might want to check out this thread

https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=17410.0
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: The Ghostbuster on February 17, 2016, 03:19:59 PM
Does anyone think the Elgin-O'Hare Tollway will be underutilized until the West O'Hare Bypass is completed? I suspect it might be.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: abefroman329 on February 18, 2016, 01:14:29 PM
Does anyone think the Elgin-O'Hare Tollway will be underutilized until the West O'Hare Bypass is completed? I suspect it might be.

It's also going to be really underutilized if they never build any sort of western access route to O'Hare.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: paulthemapguy on February 18, 2016, 03:30:27 PM
Does anyone think the Elgin-O'Hare Tollway will be underutilized until the West O'Hare Bypass is completed? I suspect it might be.

The new EOH route (east of I-290/IL53) is going to provide access to O'Hare for the market primarily west of I-355/IL53.  People who want to avoid 294 can take 355 up to the EOH instead to get to the west side of the airport.  I'm from the 'burbs west of there, and I've never had a problem taking 294 to the airport.  So would I use the new highway?  Probably, though I don't see a need to improve on the current state of that situation.  Though the suburban commuters are so underserved by expressways that I'm sure that in the morning, they're going to use the EOH east to the Bypass, then either cut north to 90 east or south to 290 east into the city.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: Revive 755 on February 18, 2016, 05:36:22 PM
Does anyone think the Elgin-O'Hare Tollway will be underutilized until the West O'Hare Bypass is completed? I suspect it might be.

I suspect it may be and remain underutilized after the Western Bypass is completed, unless I-290 is tolled.

I also suspect there will be a decent increase in traffic counts on Nerge Road and US 20 come July when the tolls on IL 390 start, and an increase on Devon Avenue as IL 390 progresses eastward.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: I-39 on February 19, 2016, 01:43:04 PM
Does anyone think the Elgin-O'Hare Tollway will be underutilized until the West O'Hare Bypass is completed? I suspect it might be.

I suspect it may be and remain underutilized after the Western Bypass is completed, unless I-290 is tolled.

I also suspect there will be a decent increase in traffic counts on Nerge Road and US 20 come July when the tolls on IL 390 start, and an increase on Devon Avenue as IL 390 progresses eastward.

Why would they toll I-290?
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: Joe The Dragon on February 19, 2016, 03:01:35 PM
Does anyone think the Elgin-O'Hare Tollway will be underutilized until the West O'Hare Bypass is completed? I suspect it might be.

I suspect it may be and remain underutilized after the Western Bypass is completed, unless I-290 is tolled.

I also suspect there will be a decent increase in traffic counts on Nerge Road and US 20 come July when the tolls on IL 390 start, and an increase on Devon Avenue as IL 390 progresses eastward.

Why would they toll I-290?

To pay for the widening and maybe down the road a rerouting of it over the EOE with a link back to I-90
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: johndoe780 on February 19, 2016, 04:11:56 PM
IDOT's already looking into expanding EOE westward and fixing the ****hole between shales parkway and north ave.

Here's the presentation given earlier this week.

http://www.village.bartlett.il.us/home/showdocument?id=2162

Anyone know the progress on the study IDOT is doing on US 20 in Elgin? That highway is completely out of date with modern highway code.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: The Ghostbuster on February 19, 2016, 05:11:42 PM
I'd only support tolling 290 if they were HOT Lanes. But I doubt 290 will have those anytime soon, if ever.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: I-39 on February 19, 2016, 05:45:15 PM
IDOT's already looking into expanding EOE westward and fixing the ****hole between shales parkway and north ave.

Here's the presentation given earlier this week.

http://www.village.bartlett.il.us/home/showdocument?id=2162

Anyone know the progress on the study IDOT is doing on US 20 in Elgin? That highway is completely out of date with modern highway code.

This is interesting. At long last, they are studying badly-needed improvements to US 20 between Randall Road and the future IL-390 western extension, as well as the western extension itself. Even if the IL-390 west extension is built as an arterial, it will be better than nothing.

It's just too bad that knowing IDOT, this will remain a concept on the drawing board and we won't see any construction for decades (if ever).
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: I-39 on February 19, 2016, 05:48:06 PM
Does anyone think the Elgin-O'Hare Tollway will be underutilized until the West O'Hare Bypass is completed? I suspect it might be.

I suspect it may be and remain underutilized after the Western Bypass is completed, unless I-290 is tolled.

I also suspect there will be a decent increase in traffic counts on Nerge Road and US 20 come July when the tolls on IL 390 start, and an increase on Devon Avenue as IL 390 progresses eastward.

Why would they toll I-290?

To pay for the widening and maybe down the road a rerouting of it over the EOE with a link back to I-90

I personally would be surprised if I-290 was tolled, considering it is the only free route left in the western suburbs. However, you never know. They are going to have to address the I-90/290/IL-53 interchange sometime within the next decade.

And I-290 will never be re-routed over the EOWA, that's just some roadgeek speculation.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: Revive 755 on February 19, 2016, 09:12:57 PM
Why would they toll I-290?

Though I threw it out as a theoretical case, I have heard rumors that ISTHA wants I-290 since it allows many to bypass at least parts of their tollways. I also think it may have been briefly tossed around as a funding option for the EOE, but got dismissed early on - would have to double check the EIS's on this one.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: Revive 755 on February 19, 2016, 09:34:15 PM
IDOT's already looking into expanding EOE westward and fixing the ****hole between shales parkway and north ave.

Here's the presentation given earlier this week.

http://www.village.bartlett.il.us/home/showdocument?id=2162

Looks more like a partial extension as an arterial and widening of US 20.  The slides show the extension of IL 390 having signalized intersections at County Farm Road (sure to work well in rush hour and probably become a high crash location), a signalized intersection at North Avenue (boy I wish someone would either rename that road or change the name of the road IL 64 uses),  and a signalized intersection where WB IL 390 traffic would have to make a left turn onto US 20 to continue westward (sure to be bottleneck WB, EB would likely have issues since it appears there would not be a dedicated right turn lane from EB US 20 to the IL 390 extension).

Anyone know the progress on the study IDOT is doing on US 20 in Elgin? That highway is completely out of date with modern highway code.

Per the study website, (http://www.us20elginstudy.com/), and more specifically, the second CAG meeting (http://www.us20elginstudy.com/files/us20cag2final.pdf) it does not look like there will be much done to the Elgin Bypass beyond a few safety improvements.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: I-39 on February 20, 2016, 11:37:06 AM
Why would they toll I-290?

Though I threw it out as a theoretical case, I have heard rumors that ISTHA wants I-290 since it allows many to bypass at least parts of their tollways. I also think it may have been briefly tossed around as a funding option for the EOE, but got dismissed early on - would have to double check the EIS's on this one.

Yes, it was in the council report, which is available on the tollway website. However, I don't think it should happen, unless they turn it into a northern extension of I-355 and extend it up the IL-53/120 corridor.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: I-39 on February 20, 2016, 11:39:55 AM
IDOT's already looking into expanding EOE westward and fixing the ****hole between shales parkway and north ave.

Here's the presentation given earlier this week.

http://www.village.bartlett.il.us/home/showdocument?id=2162

Looks more like a partial extension as an arterial and widening of US 20.  The slides show the extension of IL 390 having signalized intersections at County Farm Road (sure to work well in rush hour and probably become a high crash location), a signalized intersection at North Avenue (boy I wish someone would either rename that road or change the name of the road IL 64 uses),  and a signalized intersection where WB IL 390 traffic would have to make a left turn onto US 20 to continue westward (sure to be bottleneck WB, EB would likely have issues since it appears there would not be a dedicated right turn lane from EB US 20 to the IL 390 extension).

Anyone know the progress on the study IDOT is doing on US 20 in Elgin? That highway is completely out of date with modern highway code.

Per the study website, (http://www.us20elginstudy.com/), and more specifically, the second CAG meeting (http://www.us20elginstudy.com/files/us20cag2final.pdf) it does not look like there will be much done to the Elgin Bypass beyond a few safety improvements.

Yeah, they should stick with the original plans and put an interchange at County Farm Road, then transition it to an arterial west of that point.

They also should combine the US 20 Elgin Byass and US 20 study from Shales Parkway to IL-390 together.

I believe the US 20 Elgin bypass needs MAJOR upgrades and reconstruction. They need to reconfigure almost all the interchanges, add a third lane and shoulders and rebuild the Fox River bridge. I don't see why IDOT doesn't feel the same way.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: Joe The Dragon on February 20, 2016, 01:37:17 PM
IDOT's already looking into expanding EOE westward and fixing the ****hole between shales parkway and north ave.

Here's the presentation given earlier this week.

http://www.village.bartlett.il.us/home/showdocument?id=2162

Looks more like a partial extension as an arterial and widening of US 20.  The slides show the extension of IL 390 having signalized intersections at County Farm Road (sure to work well in rush hour and probably become a high crash location), a signalized intersection at North Avenue (boy I wish someone would either rename that road or change the name of the road IL 64 uses),  and a signalized intersection where WB IL 390 traffic would have to make a left turn onto US 20 to continue westward (sure to be bottleneck WB, EB would likely have issues since it appears there would not be a dedicated right turn lane from EB US 20 to the IL 390 extension).

Anyone know the progress on the study IDOT is doing on US 20 in Elgin? That highway is completely out of date with modern highway code.

Per the study website, (http://www.us20elginstudy.com/), and more specifically, the second CAG meeting (http://www.us20elginstudy.com/files/us20cag2final.pdf) it does not look like there will be much done to the Elgin Bypass beyond a few safety improvements.

Yeah, they should stick with the original plans and put an interchange at County Farm Road, then transition it to an arterial west of that point.

They also should combine the US 20 Elgin Byass and US 20 study from Shales Parkway to IL-390 together.

I believe the US 20 Elgin bypass needs MAJOR upgrades and reconstruction. They need to reconfigure almost all the interchanges, add a third lane and shoulders and rebuild the Fox River bridge. I don't see why IDOT doesn't feel the same way.

Let the tollway take over all of and then you see some good ideas.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: quickshade on February 20, 2016, 02:15:31 PM
I'm sure IDOT knows this, but question is more about priority and funding. Seems to be a repeated topic and trend when we mention IDOT.

Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: paulthemapguy on February 20, 2016, 02:48:12 PM
To sum up the last three posts above, yeah.  IDOT seems to want to develop new expressways like I-72 and IL336, but the freeways in District 1 are left to rot.  I think it's because IDOT wants to leave all new expressway development in the Chicago area to the ISTHA, because they have money and IDOT doesn't.  That's why we have tollway infrastructure that's downright immaculate, while IDOT's district 1 stuff, relatively speaking, is left to rot.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: johndoe780 on February 20, 2016, 04:19:27 PM
I'm sure IDOT knows this, but question is more about priority and funding. Seems to be a repeated topic and trend when we mention IDOT.

Rauner already sold ~500 million of bonds. We still don't know where that's going yet.

Don't rule out a 5-10 cent increase in gas tax yet. I'm willing to bet it's going to go up as oil prices are going to be low for the next decade.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: quickshade on February 20, 2016, 07:35:14 PM
I'm sure IDOT knows this, but question is more about priority and funding. Seems to be a repeated topic and trend when we mention IDOT.

Rauner already sold ~500 million of bonds. We still don't know where that's going yet.

Don't rule out a 5-10 cent increase in gas tax yet. I'm willing to bet it's going to go up as oil prices are going to be low for the next decade.

I have no doubt something will happen to increase funding into our road system, but not before we get a budget and some other things fixed up first, which as we all know is still at a stalemate.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: Revive 755 on February 20, 2016, 10:26:15 PM
To sum up the last three posts above, yeah.  IDOT seems to want to develop new expressways like I-72 and IL336, but the freeways in District 1 are left to rot.  I think it's because IDOT wants to leave all new expressway development in the Chicago area to the ISTHA, because they have money and IDOT doesn't.

The Illiana was most likely not going to be an ISTHA facility.  Otherwise there isn't much freeway development going on in Chicagoland, since most of the newer proposals for the outskirts keep dying, and other than the EOE, there doesn't not seem to be the willpower to build much else further in.

(I could have listed the IL 53 extension with the EOE, but I have doubts on the willpower for actually getting it built.)
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: bschultzy on February 22, 2016, 02:16:13 PM
IDOT's already looking into expanding EOE westward and fixing the ****hole between shales parkway and north ave.

Here's the presentation given earlier this week.

http://www.village.bartlett.il.us/home/showdocument?id=2162

Looks more like a partial extension as an arterial and widening of US 20.  The slides show the extension of IL 390 having signalized intersections at County Farm Road (sure to work well in rush hour and probably become a high crash location), a signalized intersection at North Avenue (boy I wish someone would either rename that road or change the name of the road IL 64 uses),  and a signalized intersection where WB IL 390 traffic would have to make a left turn onto US 20 to continue westward (sure to be bottleneck WB, EB would likely have issues since it appears there would not be a dedicated right turn lane from EB US 20 to the IL 390 extension).

Anyone know the progress on the study IDOT is doing on US 20 in Elgin? That highway is completely out of date with modern highway code.

Per the study website, (http://www.us20elginstudy.com/), and more specifically, the second CAG meeting (http://www.us20elginstudy.com/files/us20cag2final.pdf) it does not look like there will be much done to the Elgin Bypass beyond a few safety improvements.

There's no need to rename North Ave. in Bartlett. I grew up in that immediate area. Nobody confuses IL 64 and Bartlett's street.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: I-39 on February 23, 2016, 04:26:08 PM
If it were up to me, I'd stick with the original plans for the western extension of IL-390 from US 20 to North Avenue: extend the freeway/tollway portion past County Line Road and realign Lake Street to transition into IL-390.

I have a feeling if they put an at-grade intersection at County Farm Road, it will cause backups and accidents. There does not seem to be much distance between it and the existing end at US 20.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: paulthemapguy on February 23, 2016, 06:20:29 PM
I would like to see an expressway connection from the west end of IL-390 to the US20 Elgin Bypass.  This is more for fun (a total pipe dream) but this is a general alignment for the roadway that might be feasible?
https://www.google.com/maps/d/edit?mid=zEtz9t4m6Ba0.kBhBWdy7Pr98&usp=sharing

At the very least, the expressway can loop around the south side of the US20-County Farm intersection and connect with US20 on the northeast side of Bartlett near Park Ave/North Ave.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: quickshade on February 23, 2016, 07:18:09 PM
I wonder if they are thinking the I90 improvements are going to affect traffic routes once all the rebuilding is done and want to see what effect that has before they make any more major decisions about future improvements. I still think the I90/53/290 interchange needs work but if a majority of traffic flow is streamlined to the much better I90 now I would think further extending 390 west might not be a priority.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: I-39 on February 23, 2016, 07:27:23 PM
I would like to see an expressway connection from the west end of IL-390 to the US20 Elgin Bypass.  This is more for fun (a total pipe dream) but this is a general alignment for the roadway that might be feasible?
https://www.google.com/maps/d/edit?mid=zEtz9t4m6Ba0.kBhBWdy7Pr98&usp=sharing

At the very least, the expressway can loop around the south side of the US20-County Farm intersection and connect with US20 on the northeast side of Bartlett near Park Ave/North Ave.

According to the original plans in 1991, the expressway was to extend westward for a bit longer, then wind down to an arterial between County Farm Road and North Avenue. The North Avenue/US 20/IL-390 junction would be a at-grade intersection, but with US 20 realigned to go directly into the IL-390 extension (you can see this in the presentations above). I think they ought to stick to this rather than building a complete arterial, as I believe backups/accidents will occur at County Farm Road/IL-390 if it is an at-grade intersection.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: I-39 on February 23, 2016, 07:33:26 PM
I wonder if they are thinking the I90 improvements are going to affect traffic routes once all the rebuilding is done and want to see what effect that has before they make any more major decisions about future improvements. I still think the I90/53/290 interchange needs work but if a majority of traffic flow is streamlined to the much better I90 now I would think further extending 390 west might not be a priority.

Eh, not significantly. IL-390 (when it goes directly into O'Hare) will be used by a lot of people from the western suburbs looking to get into O'Hare. They need to do something with the western end, the current partial interchange with US 20 is horrendous. And if/when they extend IL-390 west, they won't go very far, only to North Avenue/US 20 on the west side of Hanover Park.

As for the I-90/290/IL-53 system interchange, this will most definitely have to be addressed at some point in the near future. With the increased capacity on I-90, traffic is only going to get worse in that area. I have said this at nauseum before, but I am 100000% baffled this wasn't included in Move Illinois.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: quickshade on February 23, 2016, 08:45:28 PM
Well the good news with that is that it seems that the only improvement with the current I90 exit onto 290 will be redoing the tollbooth with Ipass only lanes (2) and 1 tollbooth and then adding another 2 lanes that merge into the local lanes on 53/290. It seems the exit ramps will extend much further back and provide a much better exit flow than the previous ones. I still think it will require a flyover ramp for 53/290 traffic to merge onto I90 west but they seemed to have moved the merge further down I90 which should let traffic get up to speed before merging so we might see a slight improvement there.

And I was just wondering if that was how they were playing it because the majority of this project is easier O'Hare access, I'm not fully aware of the complete scope of the project as far as the western part goes but I think i'll go do some research before I comment further on it just so I don't seem off base.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: Revive 755 on February 23, 2016, 09:41:05 PM
^ The work on I-90 near I-290 is completely separate from the Elgin O'Hare work.  IMHO the changes to the EB exit will only separate the stopped ramp traffic from mainline traffic, as it seems the issue with the EB ramp to EB I-290 is more of the need for a two lane ramp and to eliminate the toll plaza and the slow moving trucks trying to accelerate from the plaza up the ramp.

I also doubt the WB changes will be much of an improvement either, as it decreases the weaving distance between the I-290/IL 53 merge and the Roselle Road exit.  Additionally, after completion of the project this weave area will also see traffic using the new WB entrance from Meacham Road.  The volume of this ramp is probably a guess as there will be some who keep using the I-290/IL 53 ramps to I-90 to avoid the toll for the Meacham entrance, as well as traffic that will be using this ramp in lieu of the currently on hold WB entrance from Roselle Road.

It's much more likely the stretch of I-90 near Roselle Road will be the first that ISTHA has to go back and redo again after completion of the current batch of projects.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: Joe The Dragon on February 24, 2016, 12:31:05 PM
I would like to see an expressway connection from the west end of IL-390 to the US20 Elgin Bypass.  This is more for fun (a total pipe dream) but this is a general alignment for the roadway that might be feasible?
https://www.google.com/maps/d/edit?mid=zEtz9t4m6Ba0.kBhBWdy7Pr98&usp=sharing

At the very least, the expressway can loop around the south side of the US20-County Farm intersection and connect with US20 on the northeast side of Bartlett near Park Ave/North Ave.

move IL59/Fox Valley Expy to Randall road or at least the I-90 to I-88 part and extend it to at least us-31 via James R rankow road.

the IL-53 part needs to go to US-12 and IL-120 needs to have an under / overpass at o'plaine road.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: ChiMilNet on April 02, 2016, 12:27:26 PM
It looks like the ISTHA has scored a victory, for now over the Bensenville rail yard. Although, it doesn't seem to necessary preclude future lawsuits in Canadian Pacific when the tollway actually uses its eminent domain powers. However, it looks like the tollway is able to proceed with its plans.

http://cookcountyrecord.com/stories/510704715-court-curbs-canadian-pacific-s-attempt-to-block-tollway-from-trying-to-take-rail-yard-land-for-elgin-o-hare-project
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: paulthemapguy on April 06, 2016, 04:08:15 PM
New Google satellite imagery shows some of the new overpasses being constructed along the new alignment, specifically the piece that parallels Thorndale.  https://www.google.com/maps/@41.9836892,-87.9816362,1636m/data=!3m1!1e3
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: CtrlAltDel on April 06, 2016, 04:18:50 PM
Tolls begin July 5. $1.25 for the part west of 290.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: tribar on April 06, 2016, 08:16:21 PM
New Google satellite imagery shows some of the new overpasses being constructed along the new alignment, specifically the piece that parallels Thorndale.  https://www.google.com/maps/@41.9836892,-87.9816362,1636m/data=!3m1!1e3

Those images are almost a year old.  They've gotten a lot done since those images were taken, hence they're not really "new".
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: ILRoad55 on May 01, 2016, 09:41:02 PM
Beams for the SB-290 to East-390 ramp have been recently installed. Also the Wood Dale Road underpass is coming along well. Also looks like the ramp onto 390 east from Rohlwing is getting worked on.

I'm just watching the Live Photos, so I don't have much to look at.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: The Ghostbuster on May 02, 2016, 04:32:13 PM
Once the east end of 390 is done, we'll have to see what happens on the west end of 390.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: dvferyance on May 24, 2016, 10:45:36 PM
Once the east end of 390 is done, we'll have to see what happens on the west end of 390.
What I am waiting to see if it becomes I-390.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: ET21 on May 24, 2016, 11:23:10 PM
Once the east end of 390 is done, we'll have to see what happens on the west end of 390.
What I am waiting to see if it becomes I-390.

I'd assume so, but the new signs installed still have the Illinois shield
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: Stratuscaster on May 24, 2016, 11:48:31 PM
No real reason for it to be I-390.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: silverback1065 on May 25, 2016, 06:56:48 PM
I believe is will be i-390 when it is complete to o'haire
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: dvferyance on May 26, 2016, 10:45:24 AM
I believe is will be i-390 when it is complete to o'haire
That's what I am thinking too. I agree that right now there is no big need for it to be I-390 but once it is connected with the tri state then it should become I-390 and I believe it will.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: lucas01aswell on June 04, 2016, 09:12:39 PM
one more month intil my dad wont be driveing on it sence he doesnt have i pass
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: Stratuscaster on June 05, 2016, 12:13:22 AM
one more month intil my dad wont be driveing on it sence he doesnt have i pass
Does your dad know that he really doesn't NEED an I-Pass to drive on IL-390? He can pay the toll by mail.

But really, if anyone does any amount of driving around Chicagoland, just pick up an I-Pass.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: johndoe780 on June 05, 2016, 12:47:43 PM
one more month intil my dad wont be driveing on it sence he doesnt have i pass

As someone who has to take elgin ohare to 290 everyday, not gonna lie, but the new construction has been a blessing.

I'll gladly pay $0.90 one way just because they got rid of those 2 traffic lights. Traffic going eastbound used to get backed up all the way to roselle rd.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: dvferyance on June 05, 2016, 03:46:05 PM
I would love to drive on it one for time before the tolls start. Probably not going to happen I am not going all the way down there just to do that.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: ChiMilNet on June 05, 2016, 10:08:15 PM
I would love to drive on it one for time before the tolls start. Probably not going to happen I am not going all the way down there just to do that.

I was on SB I-290 near the 390 interchange, and I noticed a sign that says new traffic pattern starts this week on I-290. I really hope that involves getting rid of the traffic shift that's been in place. That has caused some backups during heavy traffic, and it would be nice to have that done.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: quickshade on June 05, 2016, 11:01:01 PM
I would love to drive on it one for time before the tolls start. Probably not going to happen I am not going all the way down there just to do that.

I was on SB I-290 near the 390 interchange, and I noticed a sign that says new traffic pattern starts this week on I-290. I really hope that involves getting rid of the traffic shift that's been in place. That has caused some backups during heavy traffic, and it would be nice to have that done.

They are shifting lanes again so that bridge work can continue. This lane shift is to prepare for bridge beam work on the flyover ramp, The work will take about 2 weeks, not sure if they will shift traffic back to normal after that.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: ChiMilNet on June 05, 2016, 11:51:52 PM
I would love to drive on it one for time before the tolls start. Probably not going to happen I am not going all the way down there just to do that.

I was on SB I-290 near the 390 interchange, and I noticed a sign that says new traffic pattern starts this week on I-290. I really hope that involves getting rid of the traffic shift that's been in place. That has caused some backups during heavy traffic, and it would be nice to have that done.

They are shifting lanes again so that bridge work can continue. This lane shift is to prepare for bridge beam work on the flyover ramp, The work will take about 2 weeks, not sure if they will shift traffic back to normal after that.

I appreciate the info. I know it's a necessary evil, but that lane shift has actually caused some major headaches. Part of it is the condition of the pavement on the inside shoulder (though this is more an IDOT vs ISTHA issue).
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: quickshade on June 06, 2016, 05:29:16 PM
I would love to drive on it one for time before the tolls start. Probably not going to happen I am not going all the way down there just to do that.

I was on SB I-290 near the 390 interchange, and I noticed a sign that says new traffic pattern starts this week on I-290. I really hope that involves getting rid of the traffic shift that's been in place. That has caused some backups during heavy traffic, and it would be nice to have that done.

They are shifting lanes again so that bridge work can continue. This lane shift is to prepare for bridge beam work on the flyover ramp, The work will take about 2 weeks, not sure if they will shift traffic back to normal after that.

I appreciate the info. I know it's a necessary evil, but that lane shift has actually caused some major headaches. Part of it is the condition of the pavement on the inside shoulder (though this is more an IDOT vs ISTHA issue).
Agreed, drove it yesterday and the "bump" could throw some drivers off especially anyone that would speed through there. I know the whole area was resurfaced not long ago but maybe they redo that area again after construction is complete. It's almost as bad as the I90 shift right after the fox river bridge, traffic shifts to the other side and besides the sharp lane swing and narrow lanes there is a dip in the pavement that can cause some serious issues. I see the concrete barrier is very beat up on the swing which tells me a few drivers have done some damage to their cars going through there.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: dave069 on June 07, 2016, 01:43:31 AM
I do wanna go cruising on 390 at least once more before tolls start. Don't see myself using it after they start tho. I don't mind paying the 5-6 cents/mile on I-90, 294, and 88 but 19 cents/mile is way too much IMO, especially for a 55 MPH speed limit.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: dvferyance on June 07, 2016, 06:34:08 PM
I do wanna go cruising on 390 at least once more before tolls start. Don't see myself using it after they start tho. I don't mind paying the 5-6 cents/mile on I-90, 294, and 88 but 19 cents/mile is way too much IMO, especially for a 55 MPH speed limit.
That is a rip off I believe it's even worse on the E470 in Colorado.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: I-39 on June 07, 2016, 07:19:18 PM
I would love to drive on it one for time before the tolls start. Probably not going to happen I am not going all the way down there just to do that.

I was on SB I-290 near the 390 interchange, and I noticed a sign that says new traffic pattern starts this week on I-290. I really hope that involves getting rid of the traffic shift that's been in place. That has caused some backups during heavy traffic, and it would be nice to have that done.

They are shifting lanes again so that bridge work can continue. This lane shift is to prepare for bridge beam work on the flyover ramp, The work will take about 2 weeks, not sure if they will shift traffic back to normal after that.

I appreciate the info. I know it's a necessary evil, but that lane shift has actually caused some major headaches. Part of it is the condition of the pavement on the inside shoulder (though this is more an IDOT vs ISTHA issue).
Agreed, drove it yesterday and the "bump" could throw some drivers off especially anyone that would speed through there. I know the whole area was resurfaced not long ago but maybe they redo that area again after construction is complete. It's almost as bad as the I90 shift right after the fox river bridge, traffic shifts to the other side and besides the sharp lane swing and narrow lanes there is a dip in the pavement that can cause some serious issues. I see the concrete barrier is very beat up on the swing which tells me a few drivers have done some damage to their cars going through there.

The whole I-290/IL-53 corridor from the I-355 split off to Lake Cook Road is in dire need of full reconstruction, but since it's a IDOT road, don't expect to see it anytime soon. Though I am surprised there is not even a study out to evaluate improvements to the corridor. Usually IDOT will put a study out, then say no funding beyond Phase I, thus it gets stuck on the IDOT website for 10 years with no activity.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: quickshade on June 07, 2016, 07:58:48 PM
I would love to drive on it one for time before the tolls start. Probably not going to happen I am not going all the way down there just to do that.

I was on SB I-290 near the 390 interchange, and I noticed a sign that says new traffic pattern starts this week on I-290. I really hope that involves getting rid of the traffic shift that's been in place. That has caused some backups during heavy traffic, and it would be nice to have that done.

They are shifting lanes again so that bridge work can continue. This lane shift is to prepare for bridge beam work on the flyover ramp, The work will take about 2 weeks, not sure if they will shift traffic back to normal after that.

I appreciate the info. I know it's a necessary evil, but that lane shift has actually caused some major headaches. Part of it is the condition of the pavement on the inside shoulder (though this is more an IDOT vs ISTHA issue).
Agreed, drove it yesterday and the "bump" could throw some drivers off especially anyone that would speed through there. I know the whole area was resurfaced not long ago but maybe they redo that area again after construction is complete. It's almost as bad as the I90 shift right after the fox river bridge, traffic shifts to the other side and besides the sharp lane swing and narrow lanes there is a dip in the pavement that can cause some serious issues. I see the concrete barrier is very beat up on the swing which tells me a few drivers have done some damage to their cars going through there.

The whole I-290/IL-53 corridor from the I-355 split off to Lake Cook Road is in dire need of full reconstruction, but since it's a IDOT road, don't expect to see it anytime soon. Though I am surprised there is not even a study out to evaluate improvements to the corridor. Usually IDOT will put a study out, then say no funding beyond Phase I, thus it gets stuck on the IDOT website for 10 years with no activity.

True, the whole I90 rebuild and IDOT not trying to get anything done with the 290/53 portion of the roadway was a huge letdown. I can already tell traffic will still back up trying to exit I90 onto 290 because they did not improve the tollbooth or the merge lanes. It's a disappointment that our state can't get things in order and work better as a whole.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: tribar on June 07, 2016, 08:38:05 PM

I would love to drive on it one for time before the tolls start. Probably not going to happen I am not going all the way down there just to do that.

I was on SB I-290 near the 390 interchange, and I noticed a sign that says new traffic pattern starts this week on I-290. I really hope that involves getting rid of the traffic shift that's been in place. That has caused some backups during heavy traffic, and it would be nice to have that done.

They are shifting lanes again so that bridge work can continue. This lane shift is to prepare for bridge beam work on the flyover ramp, The work will take about 2 weeks, not sure if they will shift traffic back to normal after that.

I appreciate the info. I know it's a necessary evil, but that lane shift has actually caused some major headaches. Part of it is the condition of the pavement on the inside shoulder (though this is more an IDOT vs ISTHA issue).
Agreed, drove it yesterday and the "bump" could throw some drivers off especially anyone that would speed through there. I know the whole area was resurfaced not long ago but maybe they redo that area again after construction is complete. It's almost as bad as the I90 shift right after the fox river bridge, traffic shifts to the other side and besides the sharp lane swing and narrow lanes there is a dip in the pavement that can cause some serious issues. I see the concrete barrier is very beat up on the swing which tells me a few drivers have done some damage to their cars going through there.

The whole I-290/IL-53 corridor from the I-355 split off to Lake Cook Road is in dire need of full reconstruction, but since it's a IDOT road, don't expect to see it anytime soon. Though I am surprised there is not even a study out to evaluate improvements to the corridor. Usually IDOT will put a study out, then say no funding beyond Phase I, thus it gets stuck on the IDOT website for 10 years with no activity.

There's a long list of things in Illinois that need to be done before even considering 53.  At least it isn't a 24 hour parking lot like the Kennedy and the Ike.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: johndoe780 on June 07, 2016, 09:02:06 PM

I would love to drive on it one for time before the tolls start. Probably not going to happen I am not going all the way down there just to do that.

I was on SB I-290 near the 390 interchange, and I noticed a sign that says new traffic pattern starts this week on I-290. I really hope that involves getting rid of the traffic shift that's been in place. That has caused some backups during heavy traffic, and it would be nice to have that done.

They are shifting lanes again so that bridge work can continue. This lane shift is to prepare for bridge beam work on the flyover ramp, The work will take about 2 weeks, not sure if they will shift traffic back to normal after that.

I appreciate the info. I know it's a necessary evil, but that lane shift has actually caused some major headaches. Part of it is the condition of the pavement on the inside shoulder (though this is more an IDOT vs ISTHA issue).
Agreed, drove it yesterday and the "bump" could throw some drivers off especially anyone that would speed through there. I know the whole area was resurfaced not long ago but maybe they redo that area again after construction is complete. It's almost as bad as the I90 shift right after the fox river bridge, traffic shifts to the other side and besides the sharp lane swing and narrow lanes there is a dip in the pavement that can cause some serious issues. I see the concrete barrier is very beat up on the swing which tells me a few drivers have done some damage to their cars going through there.

The whole I-290/IL-53 corridor from the I-355 split off to Lake Cook Road is in dire need of full reconstruction, but since it's a IDOT road, don't expect to see it anytime soon. Though I am surprised there is not even a study out to evaluate improvements to the corridor. Usually IDOT will put a study out, then say no funding beyond Phase I, thus it gets stuck on the IDOT website for 10 years with no activity.

There's a long list of things in Illinois that need to be done before even considering 53.  At least it isn't a 24 hour parking lot like the Kennedy and the Ike.

Didn't IDOT add a lane to 290 from 90 to the 355 split back in 2005/2006?

Kennedy is getting another lane from cumberland to harlem according to IDOT's 2017-2022 plan.

the Ike is still in planning phase and the plan will be complete later this summer.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: ET21 on June 07, 2016, 10:10:11 PM
I would love to drive on it one for time before the tolls start. Probably not going to happen I am not going all the way down there just to do that.

I was on SB I-290 near the 390 interchange, and I noticed a sign that says new traffic pattern starts this week on I-290. I really hope that involves getting rid of the traffic shift that's been in place. That has caused some backups during heavy traffic, and it would be nice to have that done.

They are shifting lanes again so that bridge work can continue. This lane shift is to prepare for bridge beam work on the flyover ramp, The work will take about 2 weeks, not sure if they will shift traffic back to normal after that.

I appreciate the info. I know it's a necessary evil, but that lane shift has actually caused some major headaches. Part of it is the condition of the pavement on the inside shoulder (though this is more an IDOT vs ISTHA issue).
Agreed, drove it yesterday and the "bump" could throw some drivers off especially anyone that would speed through there. I know the whole area was resurfaced not long ago but maybe they redo that area again after construction is complete. It's almost as bad as the I90 shift right after the fox river bridge, traffic shifts to the other side and besides the sharp lane swing and narrow lanes there is a dip in the pavement that can cause some serious issues. I see the concrete barrier is very beat up on the swing which tells me a few drivers have done some damage to their cars going through there.

The whole I-290/IL-53 corridor from the I-355 split off to Lake Cook Road is in dire need of full reconstruction, but since it's a IDOT road, don't expect to see it anytime soon. Though I am surprised there is not even a study out to evaluate improvements to the corridor. Usually IDOT will put a study out, then say no funding beyond Phase I, thus it gets stuck on the IDOT website for 10 years with no activity.

There is plenty of space to expand or reconfigure with that open median after the toll to the I-290 ramps. Like said though, that section isn't a main cause for backups least from what I've seen. Probably the reason why IDOT hasn't bothered to even glimpse at it
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: ET21 on June 15, 2016, 09:12:47 PM
Continued my tour of the projects, and did the Elgin O'Hare and Thorndale. West segment is very nice, new signage and gantries lining the shoulders. I-290 interchange moving along.

Are they going to be keeping Thorndale for local access? It seems the route zig-zags over Thorndale a couple times just based on how the bridges and dirt is built up. The new bridges look really nice carrying 390 over the local roads, with plenty of space in the median for a 4th lane if they ever need it.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: Stratuscaster on June 15, 2016, 09:50:08 PM
Are they going to be keeping Thorndale for local access? It seems the route zig-zags over Thorndale a couple times just based on how the bridges and dirt is built up. The new bridges look really nice carrying 390 over the local roads, with plenty of space in the median for a 4th lane if they ever need it.
From the IL-390 Project Page:

Illinois 390 Frontage Roads
On the west end of Illinois Route 390, the existing frontage roads between Gary Avenue and Wright Boulevard will remain and new frontage roads will be built where access is required between Meacham Road and York Road.

Frontage roads will be provided on both sides of Illinois Route 390 between Meacham Road/Medinah Road and Rohlwing Road (Illinois Route 53) to provide access for local traffic.

Frontage roads will include:
* Between Meacham Road/Medinah Road and Illinois Route 53, one‐way frontage roads were completed in 2015 on both sides of Illinois Route 390.
* Between Park Boulevard and Prospect Avenue, a twoway frontage road will be built east of I‐290 to connect Park Boulevard and Arlington Heights Road and oneway frontage roads will be built on both sides of Illinois Route 390 between Arlington Heights Road and Prospect Avenue. Work is expected to be complete in fall of 2016.
* Between Prospect Avenue and Lively Boulevard, Thorndale Avenue will be converted to a frontage road. Work is expected to be complete in 2017.
* Between Wood Dale Road and York Road, frontage roads will be built on both sides of Illinois Route 390. The frontage roads will be one-way between Wood Dale Road and Supreme Drive. Work is expected to be complete in fall of 2016.
* Between Supreme Drive and York Road, a two-way frontage road is being constructed on the south side of Illinois Route 390. Work is expected to be complete in 2017.

Map is on page 3:
http://www.illinoistollway.com/documents/10157/11762695/2016_EOWA_ILRoute390_LocalAccess_FactSheet

Unfortunately, it seems it won't be like Texas frontage roads - but rather they'll wedge them in where they can. The eastern-most set of frontage roads appear to be called "Thorndale Ave."
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: ChiMilNet on June 16, 2016, 12:31:14 AM
Are they going to be keeping Thorndale for local access? It seems the route zig-zags over Thorndale a couple times just based on how the bridges and dirt is built up. The new bridges look really nice carrying 390 over the local roads, with plenty of space in the median for a 4th lane if they ever need it.
From the IL-390 Project Page:

Illinois 390 Frontage Roads
On the west end of Illinois Route 390, the existing frontage roads between Gary Avenue and Wright Boulevard will remain and new frontage roads will be built where access is required between Meacham Road and York Road.

Frontage roads will be provided on both sides of Illinois Route 390 between Meacham Road/Medinah Road and Rohlwing Road (Illinois Route 53) to provide access for local traffic.

Frontage roads will include:
* Between Meacham Road/Medinah Road and Illinois Route 53, one‐way frontage roads were completed in 2015 on both sides of Illinois Route 390.
* Between Park Boulevard and Prospect Avenue, a twoway frontage road will be built east of I‐290 to connect Park Boulevard and Arlington Heights Road and oneway frontage roads will be built on both sides of Illinois Route 390 between Arlington Heights Road and Prospect Avenue. Work is expected to be complete in fall of 2016.
* Between Prospect Avenue and Lively Boulevard, Thorndale Avenue will be converted to a frontage road. Work is expected to be complete in 2017.
* Between Wood Dale Road and York Road, frontage roads will be built on both sides of Illinois Route 390. The frontage roads will be one-way between Wood Dale Road and Supreme Drive. Work is expected to be complete in fall of 2016.
* Between Supreme Drive and York Road, a two-way frontage road is being constructed on the south side of Illinois Route 390. Work is expected to be complete in 2017.

Map is on page 3:
http://www.illinoistollway.com/documents/10157/11762695/2016_EOWA_ILRoute390_LocalAccess_FactSheet

Unfortunately, it seems it won't be like Texas frontage roads - but rather they'll wedge them in where they can. The eastern-most set of frontage roads appear to be called "Thorndale Ave."

I imagine right of way (or lack of) has something to do with this. I personally am a huge fan of the Texas frontage road system, but I know it requires a lot of extra ROW.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: ILRoad55 on June 18, 2016, 08:38:05 AM
It's bothers me how The Ramp from I-290 west to Elgin Ohare west is Brown and the Ramp from I-290 east to Elgin Ohare east is a white blue color. Is this an Illinois Tollway and IDOT problem similar to how the interchange has a mismatch of lamps? In fact, that is the only brown ramp in the entire interchange. The original Thorndale Ave bridge was brown too.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: Brandon on June 18, 2016, 08:53:34 AM
It's bothers me how The Ramp from I-290 west to Elgin Ohare west is Brown and the Ramp from I-290 east to Elgin Ohare east is a white blue color. Is this an Illinois Tollway and IDOT problem similar to how the interchange has a mismatch of lamps? In fact, that is the only brown ramp in the entire interchange. The original Thorndale Ave bridge was brown too.

They're not done building it yet.  It will probably be painted when they are complete with the construction.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: ChiMilNet on June 18, 2016, 02:58:17 PM
It's bothers me how The Ramp from I-290 west to Elgin Ohare west is Brown and the Ramp from I-290 east to Elgin Ohare east is a white blue color. Is this an Illinois Tollway and IDOT problem similar to how the interchange has a mismatch of lamps? In fact, that is the only brown ramp in the entire interchange. The original Thorndale Ave bridge was brown too.

They're not done building it yet.  It will probably be painted when they are complete with the construction.

With that, I agree it looks odd how it's obvious that half of the ramps in the interchange are built with ISTHA standards and the other half with IDOT standards (the poles and lamps being the biggest giveaway). It didn't occur to me about the ramp colors, but you're absolutely right.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: ChiMilNet on July 02, 2016, 11:57:15 PM
I drove by the I-290/IL-390 interchange the other day, and I noticed that the sign on SB/EB I-290 noting the exit to Thorndale has now been removed (probably good since it was kind of confusing now anyway). I'll possibly be driving through there again in the next day, so I'm curious to see how the signage will all look once the cashless tolling begins.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: ET21 on July 04, 2016, 09:37:47 PM
Tolls begin tomorrow on the western segment. No cash at any booths, I-Pass only.

Lake St (US-20): 30¢
Mitchell Blvd: 35¢
Plum Grove Road: 60¢
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: thenetwork on July 05, 2016, 11:58:41 AM
Tolls begin tomorrow on the western segment. No cash at any booths, I-Pass only.

Lake St (US-20): 30¢
Mitchell Blvd: 35¢
Plum Grove Road: 60¢

So I assume the non I-pass drivers are billed toll-by-plate photos and are $.60/.70/1.20 + any additional admin fees?   I got hosed with double the EZ/I-Pass toll rates since I payed with cash last week when passing thru Chicagoland. 
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: Joe The Dragon on July 05, 2016, 02:48:29 PM
Tolls begin tomorrow on the western segment. No cash at any booths, I-Pass only.

Lake St (US-20): 30¢
Mitchell Blvd: 35¢
Plum Grove Road: 60¢

So I assume the non I-pass drivers are billed toll-by-plate photos and are $.60/.70/1.20 + any additional admin fees?   I got hosed with double the EZ/I-Pass toll rates since I payed with cash last week when passing thru Chicagoland.

What about the rent a car plate pass (even in cars with a transponder) where they bill you the higher cash rate + a daily admin fee.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: hobsini2 on July 05, 2016, 05:41:54 PM
Tolls begin tomorrow on the western segment. No cash at any booths, I-Pass only.

Lake St (US-20): 30¢
Mitchell Blvd: 35¢
Plum Grove Road: 60¢

So I assume the non I-pass drivers are billed toll-by-plate photos and are $.60/.70/1.20 + any additional admin fees?   I got hosed with double the EZ/I-Pass toll rates since I payed with cash last week when passing thru Chicagoland.

What about the rent a car plate pass (even in cars with a transponder) where they bill you the higher cash rate + a daily admin fee.
For the non-IPass/EZ Pass users, they pay online at double rate.

http://www.illinoistollway.com/tolls-and-i-pass/toll-information/rates-by-toll-plaza#2016Route390
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: I-39 on July 16, 2016, 11:06:34 AM
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/politics/ct-ohare-new-runways-met-0715-20160714-story.html (http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/politics/ct-ohare-new-runways-met-0715-20160714-story.html)


So with the push for new gates at O'Hare, I wonder what this will mean for western access. Are they designing the IL-390/I-490 system interchange to allow for future expansion east into O'Hare property?
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: Stratuscaster on July 16, 2016, 11:56:12 AM
From what I recall seeing, there will be ramps from EB IL-390 merging with ramps from NB and SB I-490, leading into the western side of O'Hare. IL-390 won't actually extend INTO O'Hare.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: I-39 on July 16, 2016, 02:06:23 PM
From what I recall seeing, there will be ramps from EB IL-390 merging with ramps from NB and SB I-490, leading into the western side of O'Hare. IL-390 won't actually extend INTO O'Hare.

Not right away, but eventually, I thought the plan was to have IL-390 end in a Western Terminal, similar to how I-190 ends in the existing terminal drop offs?

If they rebuild Terminal 2 and expand it west, wouldn't it make sense to build a drop off?
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: Stratuscaster on July 17, 2016, 12:20:56 AM
While there would certainly be some sort of "loop road" mimicking I-190 at any western terminals, it won't likely be an actual extension of IL-390.

Technically, I-190 ends/starts where the arrival/departure roads begin and end - that loop past the terminals isn't I-190.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: ChiMilNet on July 17, 2016, 11:24:31 AM
While there would certainly be some sort of "loop road" mimicking I-190 at any western terminals, it won't likely be an actual extension of IL-390.

Technically, I-190 ends/starts where the arrival/departure roads begin and end - that loop past the terminals isn't I-190.

I may have said this before, and if this is too far getting into fictional territory, let me know, but I wonder the feasibility of looking to possibly make a connection between IL-390 and I-190 (via tunnel, roadway with runway overpasses, or something of the like). Obviously, something of this undertaking would be excessively expensive, and who knows how high of toll that would require. If they are looking to reconfigure the terminals (though not T1, which would probably be the biggest hindrance to this idea actually), then why not take a look at how I-190 ends and see about connecting it to the tollway system being built West of the airport. My reference for this idea is DFW Airport, though I know it was designed very differently. Just a thought.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: Stratuscaster on July 17, 2016, 03:00:20 PM
I'm not against the idea, but we'd have to see what FAA and ORDs plans are for the western terminals. Will they duplicate the existing ones, or will they split them up?
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: ChiMilNet on July 17, 2016, 03:38:58 PM
I'm not against the idea, but we'd have to see what FAA and ORDs plans are for the western terminals. Will they duplicate the existing ones, or will they split them up?

Totally agree. If they split them up, it could possibly work. I wonder if anyone has made that suggestion to the city leaders. I just imagine that could not only increase utilization of the tollway, but also provide a natural extension of the blue line. Again, trying to avoid fictional territory, so I'll let my idea go with that so we stay on topic here.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: hobsini2 on July 21, 2016, 03:05:27 PM
I'm sure that has been discussed by city, FAA and IDOT people. I personally think it should be connected.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: I-39 on July 23, 2016, 05:30:43 PM
At the minimum, they should have IL-390 end in a drop off area that contains parking and a high-speed airport mover that would take passengers to the terminals.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: ChiMilNet on July 24, 2016, 10:53:03 AM
At the minimum, they should have IL-390 end in a drop off area that contains parking and a high-speed airport mover that would take passengers to the terminals.

That would be good as a shorter term start for sure. I figure something more would be a very long term (10+ years) to come to fruition.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: Joe The Dragon on July 24, 2016, 11:24:16 AM
At the minimum, they should have IL-390 end in a drop off area that contains parking and a high-speed airport mover that would take passengers to the terminals.

That would be good as a shorter term start for sure. I figure something more would be a very long term (10+ years) to come to fruition.
Blue line expansion
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: I-39 on July 24, 2016, 03:40:34 PM
At the minimum, they should have IL-390 end in a drop off area that contains parking and a high-speed airport mover that would take passengers to the terminals.

That would be good as a shorter term start for sure. I figure something more would be a very long term (10+ years) to come to fruition.

They really need to just bite the bullet and build the Western Terminal, complete with adjacent parking and an extension of the people mover train. O'Hare is overcapacity and we need alternatives to the United/American monopoly on the airport.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: I-39 on August 01, 2016, 09:51:26 PM
Just realized something when viewing the live imagery for the Wood Dale Road interchange, are they building the EOWA eastern extension (east of I-290) below grade? It seems as though they built the bridge at grade and then dug out the earth underneath. Anyone know what I mean?
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: tribar on August 02, 2016, 01:07:50 AM
Just realized something when viewing the live imagery for the Wood Dale Road interchange, are they building the EOWA eastern extension (east of I-290) below grade? It seems as though they built the bridge at grade and then dug out the earth underneath. Anyone know what I mean?

From what I've heard it's just below grade at that interchange.  The rest of it should be above grade.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: Revive 755 on August 06, 2016, 09:20:47 PM
Couple comments on signing since tolling began on IL 390:

* At least on Roselle Road, there are signs right near the interchange (one sign for SB, one for NB) which give the toll rates for all of the plazas on the currently open section.  They are hard to read while driving though.

* IMHO, the signing on I-290 ought to be clearer that Thorndale is still open east of I-290.  Most of the current signing on mainline I-290 makes it look as if only WB IL 390 can be accessed from the interchange.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: I-39 on August 07, 2016, 09:54:35 PM
* IMHO, the signing on I-290 ought to be clearer that Thorndale is still open east of I-290.  Most of the current signing on mainline I-290 makes it look as if only WB IL 390 can be accessed from the interchange.

It should only be temporary signs though, since the permanent overhead signage should be prepped for the EB IL-390 shields that will go up next year.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: ChiMilNet on August 27, 2016, 04:30:08 PM
It looks like the Tollway is threatening to sue to CP railroad if they do not show more cooperation.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/ct-tollway-canadian-pacific-20160826-story.html

From the article...

Quote
Tollway Chairman Bob Schillerstrom said in an interview on Friday that he does not want to file a lawsuit and would prefer that the two parties talk through their differences.

But he said the Illinois State Toll Highway Authority is prepared to file a suit before the U.S. Surface Transportation Board if necessary, though a resolution could take years. The board has regulatory oversight of railroads.

"We have employed every avenue we can think of to try to talk to them . . ." Schillerstrom said. "We've been rebuffed at every turn."

A Canadian Pacific spokesman countered that the two sides have talked for years and that the Tollway failed to come up with an offer that addresses the loss of its property and the impact on the national rail network that the project would create.

"The two sides have been unable to reach an agreement and CP is under no obligation to do so," said spokesman Martin Cej in an email.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: ILRoad55 on August 28, 2016, 12:37:22 AM
Looking at the live cameras. They have put the beams done for the other bridge that spans across the Ike. The new traffic configuration has been set. Cars traveling on Throndale heading east now use the southern frontage road that will run along the Elgin Ohare while traffic going west takes the northern frontage road which is the original thorndale road
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: I-39 on August 28, 2016, 05:20:39 PM
It looks like the Tollway is threatening to sue to CP railroad if they do not show more cooperation.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/ct-tollway-canadian-pacific-20160826-story.html

From the article...

Quote
Tollway Chairman Bob Schillerstrom said in an interview on Friday that he does not want to file a lawsuit and would prefer that the two parties talk through their differences.

But he said the Illinois State Toll Highway Authority is prepared to file a suit before the U.S. Surface Transportation Board if necessary, though a resolution could take years. The board has regulatory oversight of railroads.

"We have employed every avenue we can think of to try to talk to them . . ." Schillerstrom said. "We've been rebuffed at every turn."

A Canadian Pacific spokesman countered that the two sides have talked for years and that the Tollway failed to come up with an offer that addresses the loss of its property and the impact on the national rail network that the project would create.

"The two sides have been unable to reach an agreement and CP is under no obligation to do so," said spokesman Martin Cej in an email.

Good. While they are at it, sue Long Grove and Hawthorn Woods for their lack of cooperation in building the Route 53 extension.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: hobsini2 on August 28, 2016, 05:44:14 PM
It looks like the Tollway is threatening to sue to CP railroad if they do not show more cooperation.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/ct-tollway-canadian-pacific-20160826-story.html

From the article...

Quote
Tollway Chairman Bob Schillerstrom said in an interview on Friday that he does not want to file a lawsuit and would prefer that the two parties talk through their differences.

But he said the Illinois State Toll Highway Authority is prepared to file a suit before the U.S. Surface Transportation Board if necessary, though a resolution could take years. The board has regulatory oversight of railroads.

"We have employed every avenue we can think of to try to talk to them . . ." Schillerstrom said. "We've been rebuffed at every turn."

A Canadian Pacific spokesman countered that the two sides have talked for years and that the Tollway failed to come up with an offer that addresses the loss of its property and the impact on the national rail network that the project would create.

"The two sides have been unable to reach an agreement and CP is under no obligation to do so," said spokesman Martin Cej in an email.

Good. While they are at it, sue Long Grove and Hawthorn Woods for their lack of cooperation in building the Route 53 extension.
:clap:
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: ChiMilNet on August 28, 2016, 10:43:41 PM
It looks like the Tollway is threatening to sue to CP railroad if they do not show more cooperation.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/ct-tollway-canadian-pacific-20160826-story.html

From the article...

Quote
Tollway Chairman Bob Schillerstrom said in an interview on Friday that he does not want to file a lawsuit and would prefer that the two parties talk through their differences.

But he said the Illinois State Toll Highway Authority is prepared to file a suit before the U.S. Surface Transportation Board if necessary, though a resolution could take years. The board has regulatory oversight of railroads.

"We have employed every avenue we can think of to try to talk to them . . ." Schillerstrom said. "We've been rebuffed at every turn."

A Canadian Pacific spokesman countered that the two sides have talked for years and that the Tollway failed to come up with an offer that addresses the loss of its property and the impact on the national rail network that the project would create.

"The two sides have been unable to reach an agreement and CP is under no obligation to do so," said spokesman Martin Cej in an email.

Good. While they are at it, sue Long Grove and Hawthorn Woods for their lack of cooperation in building the Route 53 extension.
:clap:

Couldn't agree more!!!
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: Joe The Dragon on August 29, 2016, 11:53:20 AM
It looks like the Tollway is threatening to sue to CP railroad if they do not show more cooperation.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/ct-tollway-canadian-pacific-20160826-story.html

From the article...

Quote
Tollway Chairman Bob Schillerstrom said in an interview on Friday that he does not want to file a lawsuit and would prefer that the two parties talk through their differences.

But he said the Illinois State Toll Highway Authority is prepared to file a suit before the U.S. Surface Transportation Board if necessary, though a resolution could take years. The board has regulatory oversight of railroads.

"We have employed every avenue we can think of to try to talk to them . . ." Schillerstrom said. "We've been rebuffed at every turn."

A Canadian Pacific spokesman countered that the two sides have talked for years and that the Tollway failed to come up with an offer that addresses the loss of its property and the impact on the national rail network that the project would create.

"The two sides have been unable to reach an agreement and CP is under no obligation to do so," said spokesman Martin Cej in an email.

Good. While they are at it, sue Long Grove and Hawthorn Woods for their lack of cooperation in building the Route 53 extension.
:clap:

Couldn't agree more!!!

also the groups blocking the Richmond bypass
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: The Ghostbuster on August 30, 2016, 06:16:03 PM
Good Luck!
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: NE2 on August 30, 2016, 06:27:08 PM
Who needs a lawsuit? Call the mafia to take them out. Nothing wrong with murder in the defense of temporarily shorter commute times.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: CtrlAltDel on August 30, 2016, 09:35:37 PM
It looks like the Tollway is threatening to sue to CP railroad if they do not show more cooperation.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/ct-tollway-canadian-pacific-20160826-story.html

From the article...

Quote
Tollway Chairman Bob Schillerstrom said in an interview on Friday that he does not want to file a lawsuit and would prefer that the two parties talk through their differences.

But he said the Illinois State Toll Highway Authority is prepared to file a suit before the U.S. Surface Transportation Board if necessary, though a resolution could take years. The board has regulatory oversight of railroads.

Sue them for what?
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: tribar on August 30, 2016, 09:48:26 PM
Who needs a lawsuit? Call the mafia to take them out. Nothing wrong with murder in the defense of temporarily shorter commute times.

Or just build the damn road.  What are all these hippies going to do about it?
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: Revive 755 on August 30, 2016, 10:12:28 PM
As of this week, traffic on Thorndale has been shifted into a one-way pair arrangement that uses the new eastbound frontage road from east of IL 83 to some point west of Mittel Boulevard.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: hobsini2 on September 01, 2016, 07:33:01 PM
As of this week, traffic on Thorndale has been shifted into a one-way pair arrangement that uses the new eastbound frontage road from east of IL 83 to some point west of Mittel Boulevard.
I have driven it myself for work. As of Monday, the EASTBOUND lanes shift from Arlington Hts Rd to passed Route 83 before going back on the original Thorndale Ave. The lane shift is utilizing what appears to be a frontage road between Arlington Hts Rd and Prospect Ave, then using the future entrance ramp on to 390 East, part of 390 over Salt Creek and Mittel Blvd using the exit ramp for Wood Dale Rd and the frontage road to east of Route 83.

Westbound traffic, for now, is still using the current Thorndale Ave alignment. However, it appears they are very close to shifting Westbound traffic onto a frontage road at Prospect Ave to I-290. That frontage road has been paved and signals are in place as well as some of the overhead gantries.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: ILRoad55 on September 04, 2016, 08:07:48 AM
I was checking out the cameras they have on the IllinoisTollway site and they do have the gantries up and the I-Pass gantry up east of 290. The progress is going very fast! I also noticed that they have an extra bridge beam just sitting on the EB 290 - EB Elgin Ohare ramp. Not sure what they will do with it since it looks like the beams are all up for that ramp.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: hobsini2 on September 08, 2016, 07:55:09 PM
Update! According to the message board sign I saw today on Thorndale Ave, the WB lanes of Thorndale between Prospect Ave and I-290 will be shifted on Sept 9th onto the new concrete that will be eventually IL 390 and the North Frontage Rd will open.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: ChiMilNet on November 25, 2016, 09:43:47 AM
It seems the traffic shifts on I-290 or back in place at the IL 390 and I-290 interchange. This is welcome as it seems drivers had a hard time with this for some reason I couldn't quite understand. It almost looks like the new SB/EB I-290 to EB IL 390 flyover is making good progress. Any timetable on that opening? Or does that depend more on the IL 390 pavement being ready a little further East?
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: ILRoad55 on November 25, 2016, 09:54:32 AM
Judging by the Live Images, i think the ramp could possibly be finished by the end of this year. That will mean that the stoplights will finally be removed.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: quickshade on November 25, 2016, 10:56:44 AM
The ramp will open next Tuesday in a one lane configuration for the duration of the project, traffic signal will be removed.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: ILRoad55 on November 25, 2016, 04:27:19 PM
The ramp will open next Tuesday in a one lane configuration for the duration of the project, traffic signal will be removed.
Makes sense since the end of the ramp splits off for traffic to hop onto the Elgin O'Hare or to get off at Park Blvd and Hamilton Lakes. Eventually when they finish the EB lanes over 290 and beyond, it will become a 2 lane flyover
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: ChiMilNet on November 25, 2016, 10:45:27 PM
The ramp will open next Tuesday in a one lane configuration for the duration of the project, traffic signal will be removed.
Makes sense since the end of the ramp splits off for traffic to hop onto the Elgin O'Hare or to get off at Park Blvd and Hamilton Lakes. Eventually when they finish the EB lanes over 290 and beyond, it will become a 2 lane flyover

That will be a welcome change. So, that basically marks the end of the stoplights at the interchange. I figured it had to be close to ready. I was driving down Wood Dale a couple weekends ago, and it looked like it would be done shortly, and glad they are not holding up opening it.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: edwaleni on November 29, 2016, 09:21:50 PM
Who needs a lawsuit? Call the mafia to take them out. Nothing wrong with murder in the defense of temporarily shorter commute times.

Or just build the damn road.  What are all these hippies going to do about it?

Normally I would say wait 30 years until they die, but its been more than that already.

Drop the road 10 feet, build ivy covered sound walls that look like Wrigley Field and plant dense trees on the outside of the wall so it looks like a forest in their backyards.  Honestly, they wouldn't know the difference if the walls were built first.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: ET21 on November 30, 2016, 06:22:21 PM
Progress!

From Travel Midwest:
"The new flyover ramp bridge connecting eastbound I-290 to eastbound IL-390 is now open to traffic, creating a new free-flow movement within the I-290 Interchange, reducing travel times and improving access between I-290 and the IL-390 Tollway.

As part of the Illinois Tollway’s I-290 Interchange Project, the Illinois Department of Transportation together with DuPage County is building the three-level, multi-span ramp structure that will provide two, 12-foot lanes with a 10-foot outside shoulder and a 12-foot inside shoulder.

The new free-flow ramp will eliminate bottlenecks and significantly reduce travel delays on IL-390 and through the interchange with the elimination of the last remaining traffic signal at the interchange controlling traffic flow between eastbound I-290 and eastbound Illinois Route 390.

At 1 a.m. on Wednesday, November 30, the right lane on the new ramp opened to traffic, but the left lane will remain closed until work on the interchange is complete in 2017. In conjunction with the ramp opening, the traffic signal at the existing intersection of the ramp from eastbound I-290 to eastbound IL-390 will be removed and a third lane on westbound IL-390 between Hamilton Lakes Drive and I-290 will open, helping to reduce congestion at the interchange"
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: The Ghostbuster on December 01, 2016, 03:12:39 PM
This may be a stupid question, but will the new section of IL-390 have any interchanges between Interstate 290 and future Interstate 490 (The West O'Hare Bypass)?
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: tribar on December 01, 2016, 04:34:18 PM
This may be a stupid question, but will the new section of IL-390 have any interchanges between Interstate 290 and future Interstate 490 (The West O'Hare Bypass)?

Yes. There will be ones at 83 and Wood Dale Rd.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: hobsini2 on December 02, 2016, 09:27:48 PM
This may be a stupid question, but will the new section of IL-390 have any interchanges between Interstate 290 and future Interstate 490 (The West O'Hare Bypass)?

Yes. There will be ones at 83 and Wood Dale Rd.
And at Prospect Ave I believe as well.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: dzlsabe on December 18, 2016, 10:44:41 AM
How did this 9 mile boondoggle progress this far without CPRR and ISTHA/IDOT being on the same page?

Why are they building it again? To get to the other side (of the airport). Why? Are there plans to build more terminals there? NO. There are plans to build more gates near the existing terminals. OHARE. The Faustian Bargain that just keeps on giving to the north side and NW burbs.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-tollway-budget-20161215-story.html

https://www.google.com/maps/@41.9754527,-87.938735,2515m/data=!3m1!1e3
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: ET21 on December 18, 2016, 05:37:34 PM

Why are they building it again? To get to the other side (of the airport). Why? Are there plans to build more terminals there? NO. There are plans to build more gates near the existing terminals. OHARE. The Faustian Bargain that just keeps on giving to the north side and NW burbs.


It's called the O'Hare Western Access, where yes they are going to build new terminals on the west side of the airport. Phase 1 is IL-390, Phase 2 will be the eventual I-490, Phase 3 will be the new terminals
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: ILRoad55 on December 18, 2016, 09:59:08 PM
How did this 9 mile boondoggle progress this far without CPRR and ISTHA/IDOT being on the same page?

Why are they building it again? To get to the other side (of the airport). Why? Are there plans to build more terminals there? NO. There are plans to build more gates near the existing terminals. OHARE. The Faustian Bargain that just keeps on giving to the north side and NW burbs.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-tollway-budget-20161215-story.html

https://www.google.com/maps/@41.9754527,-87.938735,2515m/data=!3m1!1e3

PLEASE STOP AND LEAVE, if you had the highway systems here, remove yourself from Chicago.

O'Hare has plans for future terminals on the west side, why do you think they left all that land empty for so many years? You can't build a terminal and have no roads going to it. Also the EOWA is meant to bypass the mess at I-90, I-190, and I-294 and to bypass I-290, it's not just the Airport.

Let me guess, you think the I-355 extension was a bad idea because it goes nowhere too?
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: inkyatari on December 19, 2016, 09:42:32 AM
I'd argue the IL 53 N extension is more important than the EOE.

I think most of us would argue that.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: johndoe780 on December 19, 2016, 01:49:53 PM
I'd argue the IL 53 N extension is more important than the EOE.

I think most of us would argue that.

IL 53 N would have been made if the the local communities stopped acting like a bunch of idiots.

Dupage county, wood dale, bensenville, and itasca have been smart and are embracing the growth as well as potential tax dollars the new highway will create.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: Joe The Dragon on December 19, 2016, 02:44:50 PM
I'd argue the IL 53 N extension is more important than the EOE.

I think most of us would argue that.

IL 53 N would have been made if the the local communities stopped acting like a bunch of idiots.

Dupage county, wood dale, bensenville, and itasca have been smart and are embracing the growth as well as potential tax dollars the new highway will create.

What about Lakemoor, volo, mchenry , etc with out FAP 420? Do they really want all the traffic dumped on to IL-120 and US-12?

as for the other side will they get rid of the light at IL-120 and oplaine rd?

What are the plans for a full interchange at IL-120 and I-94?
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: johndoe780 on December 19, 2016, 04:41:00 PM
I'd argue the IL 53 N extension is more important than the EOE.

I think most of us would argue that.

IL 53 N would have been made if the the local communities stopped acting like a bunch of idiots.

Dupage county, wood dale, bensenville, and itasca have been smart and are embracing the growth as well as potential tax dollars the new highway will create.

What about Lakemoor, volo, mchenry , etc with out FAP 420? Do they really want all the traffic dumped on to IL-120 and US-12?

as for the other side will they get rid of the light at IL-120 and oplaine rd?

What are the plans for a full interchange at IL-120 and I-94?

Unfortunately, hawthorn woods, Long Grove, and the like are $$$$ suburbs so it goes without saying that their influence is put at a higher level than those middle class burbs like mchenry, lakemoor, and volo.

But hey, I'm all for il 53.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: I-39 on December 19, 2016, 05:04:55 PM
I'd argue the IL 53 N extension is more important than the EOE.

I think most of us would argue that.

IL 53 N would have been made if the the local communities stopped acting like a bunch of idiots.

Dupage county, wood dale, bensenville, and itasca have been smart and are embracing the growth as well as potential tax dollars the new highway will create.

What about Lakemoor, volo, mchenry , etc with out FAP 420? Do they really want all the traffic dumped on to IL-120 and US-12?

as for the other side will they get rid of the light at IL-120 and oplaine rd?

What are the plans for a full interchange at IL-120 and I-94?

Unfortunately, hawthorn woods, Long Grove, and the like are $$$$ suburbs so it goes without saying that their influence is put at a higher level than those middle class burbs like mchenry, lakemoor, and volo.

But hey, I'm all for il 53.

McHenry, Lakemoor and Volo won't be seeing the 53 extension as the McHenry leg is (though not officially) for all intensive purposes cancelled.

But like I've said many times, I agree that the 53 extension should have been built first. The EOWA isn't really necessary until they figure out what to do as far as western access to O'Hare. The West Bypass (I-490) will be a glorified exit ramp from NB I-294 to WB I-90 and vice versa until then.

And to answer the question about the IL-120 interchange, I believe the plan is to convert it to a full system interchange.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: dzlsabe on December 19, 2016, 09:41:48 PM

Why are they building it again? To get to the other side (of the airport). Why? Are there plans to build more terminals there? NO. There are plans to build more gates near the existing terminals. OHARE. The Faustian Bargain that just keeps on giving to the north side and NW burbs.


It's called the O'Hare Western Access, where yes they are going to build new terminals on the west side of the airport. Phase 1 is IL-390, Phase 2 will be the eventual I-490, Phase 3 will be the new terminals

I am finding NO mention of new west terminals (or studies) in this.... http://www.theconf.com/presentations/2015/O'Hare%20Modernization%20Update.pdf

Or this...
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-tollway-budget-20161215-story.html

Or this...
http://www.dailyherald.com/article/20160719/news/160718961/

Lotta mouth-breathing buzzwords though. "Good news, talk, positive signals, Missing from the rollout was a mention of DuPage County's economic holy grail -- a western terminal. However, the city is contemplating building new concourses to the west ONCE THE MARKET DEMANDS IT :rofl: , preliminary diagrams, "They're moving economic activity closer to the western side. We will have a toll roadway outside THEIR (NO they would be Dupages and their $$$) gates where thousands will drive by. ... It's going to happen," Cronin said." :rofl: 

Or this...

http://chicago.curbed.com/2016/7/18/12213272/chicago-transportation-expanded-terminal-ohare-airport

Dupageco map....
https://www.google.com/maps/place/Dupage+County,+IL/@41.9880304,-87.9256474,10059m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x880fa8de1e18ff6b:0x490f88f65e78ec6a!8m2!3d41.8243831!4d-88.0900762
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: ChiMilNet on December 19, 2016, 10:08:25 PM
Without a way to access it, there would not even be any feasible way to  start it. If one were to look at the whole picture, the EOWA makes a LOT of sense and could really cut down on the mess at I-90/294/190 interchange, especially for traffic from I-294 North to I-90 West and I-90 East to I-294 South (the traffic SB on I-294 there is a mess and anyway to go around that would be welcome in my book). The Devon Avenue toll plaza would also benefit from less traffic. As far as missing links, this is a sensible one.

As far as the IL 53 North Extension, probably it is best we not hold our breath, although I am glad the tollway continues to study it and keep it alive.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: quickshade on December 19, 2016, 11:55:41 PM

Why are they building it again? To get to the other side (of the airport). Why? Are there plans to build more terminals there? NO. There are plans to build more gates near the existing terminals. OHARE. The Faustian Bargain that just keeps on giving to the north side and NW burbs.


It's called the O'Hare Western Access, where yes they are going to build new terminals on the west side of the airport. Phase 1 is IL-390, Phase 2 will be the eventual I-490, Phase 3 will be the new terminals

I am finding NO mention of new west terminals (or studies) in this.... http://www.theconf.com/presentations/2015/O'Hare%20Modernization%20Update.pdf
http://www.dailyherald.com/article/20160719/news/160718961/ (http://www.dailyherald.com/article/20160719/news/160718961/)

Thats on the new Elgin O'Hare expressway and how it affects the airport

http://chicago.curbed.com/2016/7/18/12213272/chicago-transportation-expanded-terminal-ohare-airport (http://chicago.curbed.com/2016/7/18/12213272/chicago-transportation-expanded-terminal-ohare-airport)

Thats on the current plan and future plans for the airport, including the western terminal.


I don't say this often but you kinda troll pretty hard sometimes. I understand you want to prove a point but lets not ignore facts on this project and what O'Hare is planning. We can all cherry pick old articles but lets try to use the most up to date information we have.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: dzlsabe on December 21, 2016, 01:14:22 AM
Facts are unimportant in DZ's world. He thinks only 100 homes and businesses would be affected by his dead on arrival Hypo 90 idea.

Ah THIS is the DOA EIEOWA topic. The dmfs (ISHTA?) have this hoax/scheme goin (I-390 and 490 and west ORD terminals someday), spent $Bs already....but wait for it..OOOPs, they did not not get the OK from the RRs involved OR any kind of commitment/drawings from CoC/ORD for Dupage west terminals, their need or financing. Do I have those important FACTS about right?

Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: ILRoad55 on December 21, 2016, 09:52:03 AM
There will be a time when the terminals are needed. Maybe not in 5-10 years but in the future. As for now, I see this is an alternative to avoid 290 and to avoid the Rosement interchange.


DZL, what is your stance on the west end of the EOE? It just dead ends at Lake Street. And I guess another dead end, the Amstutz, but that is not for this topic.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: quickshade on December 21, 2016, 10:51:11 AM
http://www3.illinois.gov/PressReleases/PressReleasesListShow.cfm?RecNum=11659 (http://www3.illinois.gov/PressReleases/PressReleasesListShow.cfm?RecNum=11659)

This was a long thought out plan, that has been in development for years.

Quote
The project is expected to enhance economic development and travel performance in the region. It will save drivers $145 million in time and fuel annually by 2040; decrease traffic by more than 16 percent during rush hour and reduce delays on local roads by 24 percent; accommodate three times as many vehicles per day as local roads now carry; reduce travel time by more than seven minutes for the 11-mile trip between the west side of O'Hare Airport and U.S. Route 20 – a savings of 25 percent; and relieve congestion near the existing I-290 and Thorndale Avenue interchange, where construction of new interchanges will reduce travel times by up to 35 percent

Those numbers aren't just made up. They did research and studies on the extension and how it would affect the local area.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: ET21 on December 21, 2016, 06:08:34 PM
http://www3.illinois.gov/PressReleases/PressReleasesListShow.cfm?RecNum=11659 (http://www3.illinois.gov/PressReleases/PressReleasesListShow.cfm?RecNum=11659)

This was a long thought out plan, that has been in development for years.

Quote
The project is expected to enhance economic development and travel performance in the region. It will save drivers $145 million in time and fuel annually by 2040; decrease traffic by more than 16 percent during rush hour and reduce delays on local roads by 24 percent; accommodate three times as many vehicles per day as local roads now carry; reduce travel time by more than seven minutes for the 11-mile trip between the west side of O'Hare Airport and U.S. Route 20 – a savings of 25 percent; and relieve congestion near the existing I-290 and Thorndale Avenue interchange, where construction of new interchanges will reduce travel times by up to 35 percent

Those numbers aren't just made up. They did research and studies on the extension and how it would affect the local area.

Those numbers don't matter to him, they only matter to us and the rest of the world. Only his numbers matter for everyone, as well as posting the same map over and over and over and over....... Until infinity and beyond.

I now wait for a retort making fun of another aspect of my profile.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: hobsini2 on December 21, 2016, 09:49:32 PM
Facts are unimportant in DZ's world. He thinks only 100 homes and businesses would be affected by his dead on arrival Hypo 90 idea.

Ah THIS is the DOA EIEOWA topic. The dmfs (ISHTA?) have this hoax/scheme goin (I-390 and 490 and west ORD terminals someday), spent $Bs already....but wait for it..OOOPs, they did not not get the OK from the RRs involved OR any kind of commitment/drawings from CoC/ORD for Dupage west terminals, their need or financing. Do I have those important FACTS about right?

And 100 looks about right. I count 31 in Chicago. What do YOU count in obsiniworld?
First off, if you are building an expressway, you need at minimum for a 4 lanes (2 each way) + shoulders. So that is 12 +12 + 12 + 12 (traffic lanes) + 10 + 10 (outside shoulders) + 4 + 4 (median shoulders) + 4 for the Jersey barrier. That is 80 feet at a minimum without any grass slope or additional lanes or an actual median that is not just a Jersey barrier.

Next, being in the urban area, it would be a minimum of 6 lanes if not 8. So you can add another 24 or 48 feet depending on the total lanes. That brings it up to 104 or 128 feet at a bare minimum with NO exits.

Well we know that that will have exits so that will add another 100 feet each direction in urban areas according to the minimum Interstate standards for an exit.

So your grand total width at exits at a minimum is 280 feet for a 4 lane, 304 for a 6 lane and 328 for an 8 lane highway. So the width is longer than the length of a freaking football field. That minimum is EXACTLY why your estimated 100 homes and businesses affected is POPPYCOCK!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interstate_Highway_standards

Now, this has ZERO to do with the Elgin O'Hare and the West Bypass so we will not bring it up again.

CAPICHE you bloody radiator? Move along!
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: Revive 755 on December 22, 2016, 08:21:52 PM
Mods:  Can Somebody please move the fictional crap out of this thread and get it back on the topic of IL 390 and/or I-490?
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: edwaleni on January 04, 2017, 12:34:03 AM
There will be a time when the terminals are needed. Maybe not in 5-10 years but in the future. As for now, I see this is an alternative to avoid 290 and to avoid the Rosement interchange.


DZL, what is your stance on the west end of the EOE? It just dead ends at Lake Street. And I guess another dead end, the Amstutz, but that is not for this topic.

IDOT owns a majority of the ROW for the EOE west of US20.  There is a plan to take it as a freeway west over County Farm Road and then it takes a NW direction over Devon Ave.and the Metra Milwaukee West to the existing US 20 and will run on top of it or beside it (from South Park Ave to point in from of Ace Coffee) at several points until it reaches the IL59 interchange.  The ROW they don't own already is where US20 has large commercial interests that are next to the older ROW at Oak Avenue in Streamwood. They had hearings on this section back in the 1970's, but never got the money to start. One plan showed it going over Oak Avenue years ago, but the land is now a middle school.

IDOT is still protecting this ROW as the several warehouses built around it since the 1970's are clipped on their corners in anticipation of a sound wall. The vacant land south of US20 and South Park is to accommodate a future exit ramp.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: ET21 on January 04, 2017, 06:16:23 PM
There will be a time when the terminals are needed. Maybe not in 5-10 years but in the future. As for now, I see this is an alternative to avoid 290 and to avoid the Rosement interchange.


DZL, what is your stance on the west end of the EOE? It just dead ends at Lake Street. And I guess another dead end, the Amstutz, but that is not for this topic.

IDOT owns a majority of the ROW for the EOE west of US20.  There is a plan to take it as a freeway west over County Farm Road and then it takes a NW direction over Devon Ave.and the Metra Milwaukee West to the existing US 20 and will run on top of it or beside it (from South Park Ave to point in from of Ace Coffee) at several points until it reaches the IL59 interchange.  The ROW they don't own already is where US20 has large commercial interests that are next to the older ROW at Oak Avenue in Streamwood. They had hearings on this section back in the 1970's, but never got the money to start. One plan showed it going over Oak Avenue years ago, but the land is now a middle school.

IDOT is still protecting this ROW as the several warehouses built around it since the 1970's are clipped on their corners in anticipation of a sound wall. The vacant land south of US20 and South Park is to accommodate a future exit ramp.

I'm surprised they didn't do much with this along with the entire 390 project.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: The Ghostbuster on January 04, 2017, 07:02:56 PM
Will the portion west of US 20 ever be constructed? I heard that if constructed, it would be an arterial rather than a freeway or tollway.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: edwaleni on January 04, 2017, 08:33:13 PM
Will the portion west of US 20 ever be constructed? I heard that if constructed, it would be an arterial rather than a freeway or tollway.

In the 1970's it was always planned as an expressway, and the section from US20 to IL59 was to maintain that.

However, with Illinois so broke at the moment, I wouldn't be surprised if it is a freeway after US20 where the tolls will end until South Park, where it will become a "super arterial" until IL59.

US20 west of IL59 until the US20 Elgin bypass has some ROW constraints, especially in and around Villa Olivia that may force IDOT to give it up and let it remain as is for the foreseeable future.

Much of the ROW was acquired after WW2 and into the 1950's and when the Northwest Tollway was built in the late 50's, the urgency to protect certain parts east of Elgin just didn't get priority.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: I-39 on January 05, 2017, 11:17:24 AM
Will the portion west of US 20 ever be constructed? I heard that if constructed, it would be an arterial rather than a freeway or tollway.

In the 1970's it was always planned as an expressway, and the section from US20 to IL59 was to maintain that.

However, with Illinois so broke at the moment, I wouldn't be surprised if it is a freeway after US20 where the tolls will end until South Park, where it will become a "super arterial" until IL59.

US20 west of IL59 until the US20 Elgin bypass has some ROW constraints, especially in and around Villa Olivia that may force IDOT to give it up and let it remain as is for the foreseeable future.

Much of the ROW was acquired after WW2 and into the 1950's and when the Northwest Tollway was built in the late 50's, the urgency to protect certain parts east of Elgin just didn't get priority.

I don't believe the section along the existing US 20 was going to be a full freeway, the freeway was simply going to end at North Ave.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: dzlsabe on January 07, 2017, 12:52:06 AM
There will be a time when the terminals are needed. Maybe not in 5-10 years but in the future. As for now, I see this is an alternative to avoid 290 and to avoid the Rosement interchange.


DZL, what is your stance on the west end of the EOE? It just dead ends at Lake Street. And I guess another dead end, the Amstutz, but that is not for this topic.

IDOT owns a majority of the ROW for the EOE west of US20.  There is a plan to take it as a freeway west over County Farm Road and then it takes a NW direction over Devon Ave.and the Metra Milwaukee West to the existing US 20 and will run on top of it or beside it (from South Park Ave to point in from of Ace Coffee) at several points until it reaches the IL59 interchange.  The ROW they don't own already is where US20 has large commercial interests that are next to the older ROW at Oak Avenue in Streamwood. They had hearings on this section back in the 1970's, but never got the money to start. One plan showed it going over Oak Avenue years ago, but the land is now a middle school.

IDOT is still protecting this ROW as the several warehouses built around it since the 1970's are clipped on their corners in anticipation of a sound wall. The vacant land south of US20 and South Park is to accommodate a future exit ramp.

When WILL terminals be needed on west ORD? Maybe never. Esp if MDW could get a longer runway. The idea of CTA Blue tunneling west from ORD to Bensenville is interesting.

My "stance" would be WHY? https://www.google.com/maps/dir///@42.0016035,-88.18847,20114m/data=!3m1!1e3 They have just spent $Bs? to upgrade Jane Addams I-90 (not sure why they named it after her, as Hull House was in Chicago). There are way bigger fish to fry.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: ChiMilNet on January 07, 2017, 02:03:44 PM
There will be a time when the terminals are needed. Maybe not in 5-10 years but in the future. As for now, I see this is an alternative to avoid 290 and to avoid the Rosement interchange.


DZL, what is your stance on the west end of the EOE? It just dead ends at Lake Street. And I guess another dead end, the Amstutz, but that is not for this topic.

IDOT owns a majority of the ROW for the EOE west of US20.  There is a plan to take it as a freeway west over County Farm Road and then it takes a NW direction over Devon Ave.and the Metra Milwaukee West to the existing US 20 and will run on top of it or beside it (from South Park Ave to point in from of Ace Coffee) at several points until it reaches the IL59 interchange.  The ROW they don't own already is where US20 has large commercial interests that are next to the older ROW at Oak Avenue in Streamwood. They had hearings on this section back in the 1970's, but never got the money to start. One plan showed it going over Oak Avenue years ago, but the land is now a middle school.

IDOT is still protecting this ROW as the several warehouses built around it since the 1970's are clipped on their corners in anticipation of a sound wall. The vacant land south of US20 and South Park is to accommodate a future exit ramp.

When WILL terminals be needed on west ORD? Maybe never. Esp if MDW could get a longer runway. The idea of CTA Blue tunneling west from ORD to Bensenville is interesting.

My "stance" would be WHY? https://www.google.com/maps/dir///@42.0016035,-88.18847,20114m/data=!3m1!1e3 They have just spent $Bs? to upgrade Jane Addams I-90 (not sure why they named it after her, as Hull House was in Chicago). There are way bigger fish to fry.

Have you looked at a map of MDW? It's the in the middle of a neighborhood, and there is NO WAY they can put a longer runway there! They barely have enough room for it as it is! Sure, let's concede that maybe the Western terminals maybe aren't needed right now at O'Hare. But its the same people with those thoughts about the IL 53 extension back in the day that is basically making it impossible to build now when it is sorely needed. It's called planning ahead, something that the Tollway seems to actually be trying to do. The Tollway makes plenty in tolls and operates separate from IDOT (thankfully). So, I ask, if it doesn't cost you as a tax payer for them to extend the tollway around O'Hare and also help avoid and alleviate a major bottleneck in Rosemont, why would you be against it? If you don't believe in paying for it, don't use the Tollways, problem solved! By the way, it should be noted that IL 390 does extra ROW for transit options in the future (blue line maybe).

As for the West end, based on the traffic nightmare through there, I would at least say to extend some type of continuous route to more directly tie into Lake Street (at least avoid the mess right at Barrington Road). Agreed, maybe not a full tollway/freeway upgrade since the I-90 was just widened, though I would not be against it either (mainly on the slim hope that it would be an agency other than IDOT building it). Though the West end is not as impactful at this point as the area around O'Hare.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: Revive 755 on January 07, 2017, 08:06:57 PM
I wouldn't rule out talk on extending the EOE westward picking up around 2025 when the current improvement program wraps up, especially if the IL 53 extension dies out.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: ET21 on January 08, 2017, 12:43:15 AM
I wouldn't rule out talk on extending the EOE westward picking up around 2025 when the current improvement program wraps up, especially if the IL 53 extension dies out.

I bet you it will be needed within the next decade or two. A link from Elgin to O'Hare without the use of I-90, and a nice in-between highway corridor between I-90 and I-88 serving the West/Northwest suburbs
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: I-39 on January 10, 2017, 05:38:24 PM
I wouldn't rule out talk on extending the EOE westward picking up around 2025 when the current improvement program wraps up, especially if the IL 53 extension dies out.

I bet you it will be needed within the next decade or two. A link from Elgin to O'Hare without the use of I-90, and a nice in-between highway corridor between I-90 and I-88 serving the West/Northwest suburbs

I believe the western extension of IL-390 to North Ave/Lake Street will be an IDOT project, since it will be an arterial rather than a freeway. So ISTHA won't have anything to do with it.

I do wonder how they will get traffic to slow down between the existing western terminus of IL-390 and County Farm Road if the CFR intersection will be a stoplight. There does not seem to be a lot of space between the roads.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: ET21 on January 10, 2017, 06:58:34 PM
I wouldn't rule out talk on extending the EOE westward picking up around 2025 when the current improvement program wraps up, especially if the IL 53 extension dies out.

I bet you it will be needed within the next decade or two. A link from Elgin to O'Hare without the use of I-90, and a nice in-between highway corridor between I-90 and I-88 serving the West/Northwest suburbs

I believe the western extension of IL-390 to North Ave/Lake Street will be an IDOT project, since it will be an arterial rather than a freeway. So ISTHA won't have anything to do with it.

I do wonder how they will get traffic to slow down between the existing western terminus of IL-390 and County Farm Road if the CFR intersection will be a stoplight. There does not seem to be a lot of space between the roads.

Maybe a gradual decrease in the speed limit over a longer distance, but I agree that is a small space for slowing down
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: Joe The Dragon on January 11, 2017, 01:10:50 PM
I wouldn't rule out talk on extending the EOE westward picking up around 2025 when the current improvement program wraps up, especially if the IL 53 extension dies out.

I bet you it will be needed within the next decade or two. A link from Elgin to O'Hare without the use of I-90, and a nice in-between highway corridor between I-90 and I-88 serving the West/Northwest suburbs

I believe the western extension of IL-390 to North Ave/Lake Street will be an IDOT project, since it will be an arterial rather than a freeway. So ISTHA won't have anything to do with it.

I do wonder how they will get traffic to slow down between the existing western terminus of IL-390 and County Farm Road if the CFR intersection will be a stoplight. There does not seem to be a lot of space between the roads.

What about no stoplight there? Make it a toll road till us-20 cost $0.15-$0.20?
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: I-39 on January 11, 2017, 03:11:31 PM
I wouldn't rule out talk on extending the EOE westward picking up around 2025 when the current improvement program wraps up, especially if the IL 53 extension dies out.

I bet you it will be needed within the next decade or two. A link from Elgin to O'Hare without the use of I-90, and a nice in-between highway corridor between I-90 and I-88 serving the West/Northwest suburbs

I believe the western extension of IL-390 to North Ave/Lake Street will be an IDOT project, since it will be an arterial rather than a freeway. So ISTHA won't have anything to do with it.

I do wonder how they will get traffic to slow down between the existing western terminus of IL-390 and County Farm Road if the CFR intersection will be a stoplight. There does not seem to be a lot of space between the roads.

What about no stoplight there? Make it a toll road till us-20 cost $0.15-$0.20?

Hanover Park doesn't want that. They want an arterial so businesses can have direct access to IL-390 when they develop the vacant land around the EOE ROW.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: hobsini2 on January 14, 2017, 12:12:41 AM
There will be a time when the terminals are needed. Maybe not in 5-10 years but in the future. As for now, I see this is an alternative to avoid 290 and to avoid the Rosement interchange.


DZL, what is your stance on the west end of the EOE? It just dead ends at Lake Street. And I guess another dead end, the Amstutz, but that is not for this topic.

IDOT owns a majority of the ROW for the EOE west of US20.  There is a plan to take it as a freeway west over County Farm Road and then it takes a NW direction over Devon Ave.and the Metra Milwaukee West to the existing US 20 and will run on top of it or beside it (from South Park Ave to point in from of Ace Coffee) at several points until it reaches the IL59 interchange.  The ROW they don't own already is where US20 has large commercial interests that are next to the older ROW at Oak Avenue in Streamwood. They had hearings on this section back in the 1970's, but never got the money to start. One plan showed it going over Oak Avenue years ago, but the land is now a middle school.

IDOT is still protecting this ROW as the several warehouses built around it since the 1970's are clipped on their corners in anticipation of a sound wall. The vacant land south of US20 and South Park is to accommodate a future exit ramp.

When WILL terminals be needed on west ORD? Maybe never. Esp if MDW could get a longer runway. The idea of CTA Blue tunneling west from ORD to Bensenville is interesting.

My "stance" would be WHY? https://www.google.com/maps/dir///@42.0016035,-88.18847,20114m/data=!3m1!1e3 They have just spent $Bs? to upgrade Jane Addams I-90 (not sure why they named it after her, as Hull House was in Chicago). There are way bigger fish to fry.
Jane Addams was originally from Rockford you nitwit. Just like I-88 is now the Reagan because it goes out to Dixon, his boyhood home.

But the rest of this DOES NOT BELONG ON THIS THREAD.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: ChiMilNet on April 09, 2017, 09:30:02 PM
Interesting development about the Western Access into O'Hare. Maybe some type of short term compromise?

https://www.dailyherald.com/article/20170407/news/170409017/

Of note is below...

Quote
Recent "conversations (with Chicago) have been positive," Tollway Chairman Robert Schillerstrom said Friday.

In addition to parking, "they're going to construct a building where people can come in, get their tickets, go through security, check their bags and take a people-mover to anywhere in the airport," he noted.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: johndoe780 on April 09, 2017, 11:19:13 PM
Interesting development about the Western Access into O'Hare. Maybe some type of short term compromise?

https://www.dailyherald.com/article/20170407/news/170409017/

Of note is below...

Quote
Recent "conversations (with Chicago) have been positive," Tollway Chairman Robert Schillerstrom said Friday.

In addition to parking, "they're going to construct a building where people can come in, get their tickets, go through security, check their bags and take a people-mover to anywhere in the airport," he noted.

So it's going to be a train from the west to the terminals?

My dream was to have 190 somehow connect to Elgin o'hare.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: ET21 on April 09, 2017, 11:49:44 PM
Interesting development about the Western Access into O'Hare. Maybe some type of short term compromise?

https://www.dailyherald.com/article/20170407/news/170409017/

Of note is below...

Quote
Recent "conversations (with Chicago) have been positive," Tollway Chairman Robert Schillerstrom said Friday.

In addition to parking, "they're going to construct a building where people can come in, get their tickets, go through security, check their bags and take a people-mover to anywhere in the airport," he noted.

So it's going to be a train from the west to the terminals?

My dream was to have 190 somehow connect to Elgin o'hare.

That would need a complete re-design of the eastern terminals and bury 190 underneath everything. While I'd love that too, very doubtful it'll ever happen
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: ChiMilNet on April 10, 2017, 09:27:59 PM
Interesting development about the Western Access into O'Hare. Maybe some type of short term compromise?

https://www.dailyherald.com/article/20170407/news/170409017/

Of note is below...

Quote
Recent "conversations (with Chicago) have been positive," Tollway Chairman Robert Schillerstrom said Friday.

In addition to parking, "they're going to construct a building where people can come in, get their tickets, go through security, check their bags and take a people-mover to anywhere in the airport," he noted.

So it's going to be a train from the west to the terminals?

My dream was to have 190 somehow connect to Elgin o'hare.

That would need a complete re-design of the eastern terminals and bury 190 underneath everything. While I'd love that too, very doubtful it'll ever happen

I agree, and it would make sense to connect the two. Maybe one day long term it can be looked into, and I honestly think a tolled tunnel would easily pay for itself with the traffic I think it would get.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: bschultzy on April 11, 2017, 02:07:24 PM
I wouldn't rule out talk on extending the EOE westward picking up around 2025 when the current improvement program wraps up, especially if the IL 53 extension dies out.

I bet you it will be needed within the next decade or two. A link from Elgin to O'Hare without the use of I-90, and a nice in-between highway corridor between I-90 and I-88 serving the West/Northwest suburbs

I've long thought North Ave. (IL 64) would be a great limited-access route serving the western suburbs. Lots of right-of-way (or possible ROW) between I-355 and IL 59.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: Brandon on April 11, 2017, 02:53:55 PM
I wouldn't rule out talk on extending the EOE westward picking up around 2025 when the current improvement program wraps up, especially if the IL 53 extension dies out.

I bet you it will be needed within the next decade or two. A link from Elgin to O'Hare without the use of I-90, and a nice in-between highway corridor between I-90 and I-88 serving the West/Northwest suburbs

I've long thought North Ave. (IL 64) would be a great limited-access route serving the western suburbs. Lots of right-of-way (or possible ROW) between I-355 and IL 59.

North, 75th, IL-83, and IL-59 would be great Michigan-style boulevards across DuPage County if IDOT and the DuPage County Division of Transportation could get their heads out of the sand.  Make everyone turning left go past the intersection to the U-Turn and time all the signals for 45 mph so you could go for miles without a red signal.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: ET21 on April 11, 2017, 06:05:52 PM
^ YES to 75th!!!
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: Joe The Dragon on April 11, 2017, 08:16:45 PM
I wouldn't rule out talk on extending the EOE westward picking up around 2025 when the current improvement program wraps up, especially if the IL 53 extension dies out.

I bet you it will be needed within the next decade or two. A link from Elgin to O'Hare without the use of I-90, and a nice in-between highway corridor between I-90 and I-88 serving the West/Northwest suburbs

I've long thought North Ave. (IL 64) would be a great limited-access route serving the western suburbs. Lots of right-of-way (or possible ROW) between I-355 and IL 59.

North, 75th, IL-83, and IL-59 would be great Michigan-style boulevards across DuPage County if IDOT and the DuPage County Division of Transportation could get their heads out of the sand.  Make everyone turning left go past the intersection to the U-Turn and time all the signals for 45 mph so you could go for miles without a red signal.

IL-83 can use https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=10104.0

IL-59? how about Randal road IL-31 to I-88 with James R. Rakow + Orchard rd 3 lanes each way + some over/under passes.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: I-90 on April 12, 2017, 05:17:51 PM
^ YES to 75th!!!
Maybe even I-55
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: Brandon on April 12, 2017, 08:57:56 PM
^ YES to 75th!!!
Maybe even 91st

Why would 91st, a relatively small street, need it?
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: tribar on June 09, 2017, 09:12:09 PM
Any word on when the extension opens up?
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: Revive 755 on June 09, 2017, 09:16:01 PM
^ I think one of the Chicago newspapers had indicated Fall 2017. 
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: ILRoad55 on June 10, 2017, 03:23:24 PM
Any picture updates? I don't ever drive in that area so I haven't seen what it's like since they opened up the 2nd flyover ramp
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: johndoe780 on July 20, 2017, 02:16:17 PM
http://wgntv.com/2017/07/19/elgin-ohare-western-access-project/

Looks like EOE to 83 will be complete by October.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: The Ghostbuster on July 20, 2017, 03:57:35 PM
I noticed the story called the road Interstate 390, when it is really State Highway 390. Is that a common error?
Title: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: tribar on July 20, 2017, 04:02:13 PM
I noticed the story called the road Interstate 390, when it is really State Highway 390. Is that a common error?

That's just WGN's incompetence/laziness. They refer to the I-94 section of the Tri State as I-294 all the time and repeatedly refer to US routes as state routes and vice versa.  Their articles are always littered with spelling errors as well.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: I-39 on July 20, 2017, 05:53:24 PM
And there is still no consensus on what to do with the west side of the airport..........

Wish they would have figured that out before extending IL-390.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: Revive 755 on July 20, 2017, 07:32:36 PM
I noticed the story called the road Interstate 390, when it is really State Highway 390. Is that a common error?

That's just WGN's incompetence/laziness.

It's a lot more than just WGN.  The worst is when the local governments do it.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: Joe The Dragon on July 20, 2017, 07:51:57 PM
I noticed the story called the road Interstate 390, when it is really State Highway 390. Is that a common error?

That's just WGN's incompetence/laziness.

It's a lot more than just WGN.  The worst is when the local governments do it.

There ad / billboards that have IL-394 as I-394 as well.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: silverback1065 on July 21, 2017, 10:10:47 AM
I noticed the story called the road Interstate 390, when it is really State Highway 390. Is that a common error?

That's just WGN's incompetence/laziness. They refer to the I-94 section of the Tri State as I-294 all the time and repeatedly refer to US routes as state routes and vice versa.  Their articles are always littered with spelling errors as well.

local news organizations regularly fuck up route nomenclature, hell even can't get route numbers right at times!
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: mgk920 on July 21, 2017, 01:19:21 PM
I noticed the story called the road Interstate 390, when it is really State Highway 390. Is that a common error?

Before it became I-88, the locals always referred to the East-West Tollway as 'I-5', too (it was IL 5).

Mike
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: CtrlAltDel on July 21, 2017, 01:37:52 PM
I noticed the story called the road Interstate 390, when it is really State Highway 390. Is that a common error?

Before it became I-88, the locals always referred to the East-West Tollway as 'I-5', too (it was IL 5).

Mike

I don't know if that was so much an error as much as an ambiguity.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: paulthemapguy on July 21, 2017, 02:46:14 PM
Yeah news outlets screw up route numbering and nomenclature all the time.  WGN goofs up especially often though...You can find hundreds of examples of their funny and cringe-worthy slip-ups on youtube.

She also said "east of 83" in the video...she clearly should have said "west of 83."

I wasn't sure how certain it was that the new beltway around O'Hare would be numbered, "490."  Is this confirmed?

And railroads are ALWAYS the hardest to deal with when planning a new ROW...They're all private conglomerates that are impossible to deal with, whether your road project has a Phase I or not.  I doubt the eastern spur into O'Hare will be completed in 2019 like they say, just because of the presence of these railroads.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: silverback1065 on July 21, 2017, 03:18:12 PM
Yeah news outlets screw up route numbering and nomenclature all the time.  WGN goofs up especially often though...You can find hundreds of examples of their funny and cringe-worthy slip-ups on youtube.

She also said "east of 83" in the video...she clearly should have said "west of 83."

I wasn't sure how certain it was that the new beltway around O'Hare would be numbered, "490."  Is this confirmed?

And railroads are ALWAYS the hardest to deal with when planning a new ROW...They're all private conglomerates that are impossible to deal with, whether your road project has a Phase I or not.  I doubt the eastern spur into O'Hare will be completed in 2019 like they say, just because of the presence of these railroads.

i thought it would be 490 too, and railroads are like utilities on road projects, they work on their own schedules, and don't care about your road project.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: johndoe780 on July 21, 2017, 04:01:11 PM
Yeah news outlets screw up route numbering and nomenclature all the time.  WGN goofs up especially often though...You can find hundreds of examples of their funny and cringe-worthy slip-ups on youtube.

She also said "east of 83" in the video...she clearly should have said "west of 83."

I wasn't sure how certain it was that the new beltway around O'Hare would be numbered, "490."  Is this confirmed?

And railroads are ALWAYS the hardest to deal with when planning a new ROW...They're all private conglomerates that are impossible to deal with, whether your road project has a Phase I or not.  I doubt the eastern spur into O'Hare will be completed in 2019 like they say, just because of the presence of these railroads.

Agreed. The canadian railroad companies are the worst candidates of this description as well.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: The Ghostbuster on July 21, 2017, 04:07:55 PM
Oh, well. Nobody's perfect.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: Revive 755 on July 21, 2017, 09:14:49 PM
I wasn't sure how certain it was that the new beltway around O'Hare would be numbered, "490."  Is this confirmed?

I have not heard that FHWA has signed off on the route becoming an interstate, so I'd say it is not 100 percent confirmed.  If the facility becomes a state route, I would not entirely rule out the number changing, but would put low odds on it.

Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: I-39 on July 21, 2017, 09:48:23 PM
I wasn't sure how certain it was that the new beltway around O'Hare would be numbered, "490."  Is this confirmed?

I have not heard that FHWA has signed off on the route becoming an interstate, so I'd say it is not 100 percent confirmed.  If the facility becomes a state route, I would not entirely rule out the number changing, but would put low odds on it.

I thought AASTHO approved it?
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: Revive 755 on July 29, 2017, 09:42:19 PM
Permanent signing is being installed for IL 390 east of I-290.  There's a BGS for IL 83 with a yellow 'Tollway Ends All Traffic Must Exit' on top with flashers.  Closer to the start of the ramp to IL 83 there are a pair of yellow diamonds with, IIRC, 'Tollway Ends'.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: edwaleni on August 11, 2017, 06:05:38 PM
I wouldn't rule out talk on extending the EOE westward picking up around 2025 when the current improvement program wraps up, especially if the IL 53 extension dies out.

I bet you it will be needed within the next decade or two. A link from Elgin to O'Hare without the use of I-90, and a nice in-between highway corridor between I-90 and I-88 serving the West/Northwest suburbs

I believe the western extension of IL-390 to North Ave/Lake Street will be an IDOT project, since it will be an arterial rather than a freeway. So ISTHA won't have anything to do with it.

I do wonder how they will get traffic to slow down between the existing western terminus of IL-390 and County Farm Road if the CFR intersection will be a stoplight. There does not seem to be a lot of space between the roads.

IL-390/US-20 was designed to have CFR go over it with a urban style exit layout. That is why IDOT didn't amass any excess dirt at the end like they typically do.  The plan was to trench 2 ponds on each side of CFR to supply fill for the rise over.  If and when they decide to extend it, they will probably use the same idea.  Since the ROW west of CFR is wetlands, there are several more drainage ponds that will be trenched to supply fill as the ROW turns NW back to the original US20.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: edwaleni on August 11, 2017, 06:57:24 PM
I wouldn't rule out talk on extending the EOE westward picking up around 2025 when the current improvement program wraps up, especially if the IL 53 extension dies out.

I bet you it will be needed within the next decade or two. A link from Elgin to O'Hare without the use of I-90, and a nice in-between highway corridor between I-90 and I-88 serving the West/Northwest suburbs

I believe the western extension of IL-390 to North Ave/Lake Street will be an IDOT project, since it will be an arterial rather than a freeway. So ISTHA won't have anything to do with it.

I do wonder how they will get traffic to slow down between the existing western terminus of IL-390 and County Farm Road if the CFR intersection will be a stoplight. There does not seem to be a lot of space between the roads.

IL-390/US-20 was designed to have CFR go over it with a urban style exit layout. That is why IDOT didn't amass any excess dirt at the end like they typically do.  The plan was to trench 2 ponds on each side of CFR to supply fill for the rise over.  If and when they decide to extend it, they will probably use the same idea.  Since the ROW west of CFR is wetlands, there are several more drainage ponds that will be trenched to supply fill as the ROW turns NW back to the original US20.

As you can see IDOT not having any money was a killer when the parcel in black was sold to the local school district.

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4355/36463279756_6d54efea42_z.jpg)
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: Revive 755 on August 11, 2017, 08:49:11 PM
Since the ROW west of CFR is wetlands, there are several more drainage ponds that will be trenched to supply fill as the ROW turns NW back to the original US20.

More likely the wetlands will end up blocking any westward extension.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: edwaleni on August 11, 2017, 09:57:38 PM
Since the ROW west of CFR is wetlands, there are several more drainage ponds that will be trenched to supply fill as the ROW turns NW back to the original US20.

More likely the wetlands will end up blocking any westward extension.

They own the land, but the environmental reviews are 20+ years old and would have to be redone.  Also, not known by many is the median of the original EOE between Lake and IL-53 was a special width to accommodate a future rail transit to serve O'Hare from the west. The tollway is eliminating that now.

Also some EOE trivia is the fact that the Gary Avenue exit was added so late to the plan at the behest of DuPage County Govt leaders, the EOE highway lighting was obstructed by the overpass for the ramp. No one moved it in the plan and just installed it as drawn. It has since been removed by the tollway.

Some other trivial trivia, IDOT contractors ran into delays with the EOE overpass of the then Milwaukee Road railroad due to a large unforeseen peat bog. The bog ran so deep they had to make special accommodations for the pylon footings. It was just one of the many delays the EOE had when it was built.

The EOE and the I-255 East St Louis Bypass were the first to use the new design scheme by IDOT using the dark brown painted bridge beams, dark brown square steel signage frames and the fluted concrete supports. This broke away from the long used round aluminum signage frames and green painted bridge beams. This design scheme was also used on parts of I-39.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: I-39 on August 12, 2017, 08:34:43 PM
I wouldn't rule out talk on extending the EOE westward picking up around 2025 when the current improvement program wraps up, especially if the IL 53 extension dies out.

I bet you it will be needed within the next decade or two. A link from Elgin to O'Hare without the use of I-90, and a nice in-between highway corridor between I-90 and I-88 serving the West/Northwest suburbs

I believe the western extension of IL-390 to North Ave/Lake Street will be an IDOT project, since it will be an arterial rather than a freeway. So ISTHA won't have anything to do with it.

I do wonder how they will get traffic to slow down between the existing western terminus of IL-390 and County Farm Road if the CFR intersection will be a stoplight. There does not seem to be a lot of space between the roads.

IL-390/US-20 was designed to have CFR go over it with a urban style exit layout. That is why IDOT didn't amass any excess dirt at the end like they typically do.  The plan was to trench 2 ponds on each side of CFR to supply fill for the rise over.  If and when they decide to extend it, they will probably use the same idea.  Since the ROW west of CFR is wetlands, there are several more drainage ponds that will be trenched to supply fill as the ROW turns NW back to the original US20.

As you can see IDOT not having any money was a killer when the parcel in black was sold to the local school district.

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4355/36463279756_6d54efea42_z.jpg)

I don't believe there was ever a plan to buy that property. The EOE was suppose to follow the existing US 20 west of North Ave, and it wasn't going to be full access control, more of a parkway-style with a mixture of at-grades and grade separations.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: edwaleni on August 12, 2017, 09:38:38 PM
I wouldn't rule out talk on extending the EOE westward picking up around 2025 when the current improvement program wraps up, especially if the IL 53 extension dies out.

I bet you it will be needed within the next decade or two. A link from Elgin to O'Hare without the use of I-90, and a nice in-between highway corridor between I-90 and I-88 serving the West/Northwest suburbs

I believe the western extension of IL-390 to North Ave/Lake Street will be an IDOT project, since it will be an arterial rather than a freeway. So ISTHA won't have anything to do with it.

I do wonder how they will get traffic to slow down between the existing western terminus of IL-390 and County Farm Road if the CFR intersection will be a stoplight. There does not seem to be a lot of space between the roads.

IL-390/US-20 was designed to have CFR go over it with a urban style exit layout. That is why IDOT didn't amass any excess dirt at the end like they typically do.  The plan was to trench 2 ponds on each side of CFR to supply fill for the rise over.  If and when they decide to extend it, they will probably use the same idea.  Since the ROW west of CFR is wetlands, there are several more drainage ponds that will be trenched to supply fill as the ROW turns NW back to the original US20.

As you can see IDOT not having any money was a killer when the parcel in black was sold to the local school district.

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4355/36463279756_6d54efea42_z.jpg)

I don't believe there was ever a plan to buy that property. The EOE was suppose to follow the existing US 20 west of North Ave, and it wasn't going to be full access control, more of a parkway-style with a mixture of at-grades and grade separations.

Yes, in the FAP-6 Environmental Review Report, there are notes about a meeting with the City of Bartlett officials on the extension of Bartlett Road south of the current US20 and work an intersection with Oak Street (now Oak Lane) due to a high accident rate at Oak Street (Lane) and US 20. There were also concerns that the then Eastview Junior High (now Bartlett Middle School) was going to be too close to the ROW even though there were no frontage roads planned. They had already decided a cloverleaf was impractical and a diamond would have to be used. 

This was in 1971/1972. When Eastview was expanded north by the Bartlett School District in the 1980's, they took up the buffer space the ROW expected to acquire and today IDOT would have to condemn all the retail property between the school and US20 to make it work.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: Revive 755 on September 09, 2017, 10:59:20 AM
As of at least yesterday, traffic going from eastbound I-290 to eastbound Thorndale is routed on the future eastbound main lanes and down the exit ramp to Prospect.  There are a bunch of overhead signs with 'Tollway Ends Traffic Signal Ahead' on this short stretch, and the speed limit is an extremely low 35.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: ChiMilNet on September 24, 2017, 03:49:52 PM
As of at least yesterday, traffic going from eastbound I-290 to eastbound Thorndale is routed on the future eastbound main lanes and down the exit ramp to Prospect.  There are a bunch of overhead signs with 'Tollway Ends Traffic Signal Ahead' on this short stretch, and the speed limit is an extremely low 35.

Well, it looks like the end of October is slated for essentially the completion of the IL-390 Extension to IL-83. Also, there is a chance to run along the tollway as they are having a 5K. I run a lot, so I am tempted to do this!

https://www.illinoistollway.com/390event
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: johndoe780 on September 24, 2017, 05:27:13 PM
As of at least yesterday, traffic going from eastbound I-290 to eastbound Thorndale is routed on the future eastbound main lanes and down the exit ramp to Prospect.  There are a bunch of overhead signs with 'Tollway Ends Traffic Signal Ahead' on this short stretch, and the speed limit is an extremely low 35.

Well, it looks like the end of October is slated for essentially the completion of the IL-390 Extension to IL-83. Also, there is a chance to run along the tollway as they are having a 5K. I run a lot, so I am tempted to do this!

https://www.illinoistollway.com/390event

As long as it's not 90* weather, but cool fall 60-70*, I think I'll join you.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: ChiMilNet on September 24, 2017, 09:06:13 PM
As of at least yesterday, traffic going from eastbound I-290 to eastbound Thorndale is routed on the future eastbound main lanes and down the exit ramp to Prospect.  There are a bunch of overhead signs with 'Tollway Ends Traffic Signal Ahead' on this short stretch, and the speed limit is an extremely low 35.

Well, it looks like the end of October is slated for essentially the completion of the IL-390 Extension to IL-83. Also, there is a chance to run along the tollway as they are having a 5K. I run a lot, so I am tempted to do this!

https://www.illinoistollway.com/390event

As long as it's not 90* weather, but cool fall 60-70*, I think I'll join you.

I would hope by the last weekend in October it'll be cooler than this at least (actually beginning of October for that matter since I'll be doing a marathon). This would be a good photo opportunity, and one time I won't need my IPASS to do it! :-D
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: inkyatari on September 24, 2017, 09:37:08 PM


Well, it looks like the end of October is slated for essentially the completion of the IL-390 Extension to IL-83. Also, there is a chance to run along the tollway as they are having a 5K. I run a lot, so I am tempted to do this!

https://www.illinoistollway.com/390event

I registered for the bicycling event!
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: ILRoad55 on September 27, 2017, 04:22:25 PM
Sounds awesome.

I did the 355 event when I was a kid. My father and I walked across the Des Plaines River Bridge, it was freezing cold that day but I enjoyed it.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: edwaleni on September 27, 2017, 10:22:26 PM
I wouldn't rule out talk on extending the EOE westward picking up around 2025 when the current improvement program wraps up, especially if the IL 53 extension dies out.

I bet you it will be needed within the next decade or two. A link from Elgin to O'Hare without the use of I-90, and a nice in-between highway corridor between I-90 and I-88 serving the West/Northwest suburbs

I believe the western extension of IL-390 to North Ave/Lake Street will be an IDOT project, since it will be an arterial rather than a freeway. So ISTHA won't have anything to do with it.

I do wonder how they will get traffic to slow down between the existing western terminus of IL-390 and County Farm Road if the CFR intersection will be a stoplight. There does not seem to be a lot of space between the roads.

IL-390/US-20 was designed to have CFR go over it with a urban style exit layout. That is why IDOT didn't amass any excess dirt at the end like they typically do.  The plan was to trench 2 ponds on each side of CFR to supply fill for the rise over.  If and when they decide to extend it, they will probably use the same idea.  Since the ROW west of CFR is wetlands, there are several more drainage ponds that will be trenched to supply fill as the ROW turns NW back to the original US20.

As you can see IDOT not having any money was a killer when the parcel in black was sold to the local school district.

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4355/36463279756_6d54efea42_z.jpg)

I don't believe there was ever a plan to buy that property. The EOE was suppose to follow the existing US 20 west of North Ave, and it wasn't going to be full access control, more of a parkway-style with a mixture of at-grades and grade separations.

Yes, in the FAP-6 Environmental Review Report, there are notes about a meeting with the City of Bartlett officials on the extension of Bartlett Road south of the current US20 and work an intersection with Oak Street (now Oak Lane) due to a high accident rate at Oak Street (Lane) and US 20. There were also concerns that the then Eastview Junior High (now Bartlett Middle School) was going to be too close to the ROW even though there were no frontage roads planned. They had already decided a cloverleaf was impractical and a diamond would have to be used. 

This was in 1971/1972. When Eastview was expanded north by the Bartlett School District in the 1980's, they took up the buffer space the ROW expected to acquire and today IDOT would have to condemn all the retail property between the school and US20 to make it work.

Here is a closer view of the Elgin-O'Hare/Bartlett Road Exit was supposed to look like.

The light blue is the ROW
The green line is IDOT owned property
The purple lines are proposed water retention ponds
The redline was the proposed Bartlett Road to Oak Lane extension with the diamond ramps.
It also shows how Oak Lane was going to dead end into a circle drive for the school and north of the EOH it would be a service road for the retail strip center.
The dotted light yellow shows what happened when the school expanded north.

The EOH was supposed to go below grade between US20 on the right all the way past the school to keep road noise down and then rise as it meets Bartlett Road and then move north back to the current US20 alignment.

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4442/36693101363_cec7733647.jpg)\

You can even see where IDOT bought land from the developer across Oak Lane from the Junior High. The grading for the streets and cul-de-sac are still visible.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: ET21 on September 28, 2017, 08:14:16 AM
Took a look at the 390/290 interchange for the first time in probably a year. Looks awesome
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: Henry on September 28, 2017, 09:43:45 AM
Seems to me that they'll keep it IL 390 until I-490 is completed around the west side of O'Hare, and I will bet that I-390 signs will go up in Chicagoland before I-394's do!
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: ET21 on September 28, 2017, 10:35:38 AM
Seems to me that they'll keep it IL 390 until I-490 is completed around the west side of O'Hare, and I will bet that I-390 signs will go up in Chicagoland before I-394's do!

Funny thing is they waste all this money for the IL-390 signs, only to put up I-390 signs when it gets ratified. 390 signs I've seen on 290, 90, even 355 and most of the local roads will need to be replaced.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: The Ghostbuster on September 28, 2017, 05:41:52 PM
I doubt IL-390 will ever be an interstate, just like IL-394 will never be. Interstate 88 was once IL-190 (and later IL-5), Interstate 90 between Interstate 290 and Interstate 94 was IL-194 until 1978 (and Interstate 190 was IL-594), neither of which were likely intended as Interstate 194 or Interstate 594.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: I-39 on September 28, 2017, 07:57:48 PM
I wouldn't rule out talk on extending the EOE westward picking up around 2025 when the current improvement program wraps up, especially if the IL 53 extension dies out.

I bet you it will be needed within the next decade or two. A link from Elgin to O'Hare without the use of I-90, and a nice in-between highway corridor between I-90 and I-88 serving the West/Northwest suburbs

I believe the western extension of IL-390 to North Ave/Lake Street will be an IDOT project, since it will be an arterial rather than a freeway. So ISTHA won't have anything to do with it.

I do wonder how they will get traffic to slow down between the existing western terminus of IL-390 and County Farm Road if the CFR intersection will be a stoplight. There does not seem to be a lot of space between the roads.

IL-390/US-20 was designed to have CFR go over it with a urban style exit layout. That is why IDOT didn't amass any excess dirt at the end like they typically do.  The plan was to trench 2 ponds on each side of CFR to supply fill for the rise over.  If and when they decide to extend it, they will probably use the same idea.  Since the ROW west of CFR is wetlands, there are several more drainage ponds that will be trenched to supply fill as the ROW turns NW back to the original US20.

As you can see IDOT not having any money was a killer when the parcel in black was sold to the local school district.

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4355/36463279756_6d54efea42_z.jpg)

I don't believe there was ever a plan to buy that property. The EOE was suppose to follow the existing US 20 west of North Ave, and it wasn't going to be full access control, more of a parkway-style with a mixture of at-grades and grade separations.

Yes, in the FAP-6 Environmental Review Report, there are notes about a meeting with the City of Bartlett officials on the extension of Bartlett Road south of the current US20 and work an intersection with Oak Street (now Oak Lane) due to a high accident rate at Oak Street (Lane) and US 20. There were also concerns that the then Eastview Junior High (now Bartlett Middle School) was going to be too close to the ROW even though there were no frontage roads planned. They had already decided a cloverleaf was impractical and a diamond would have to be used. 

This was in 1971/1972. When Eastview was expanded north by the Bartlett School District in the 1980's, they took up the buffer space the ROW expected to acquire and today IDOT would have to condemn all the retail property between the school and US20 to make it work.

Here is a closer view of the Elgin-O'Hare/Bartlett Road Exit was supposed to look like.

The light blue is the ROW
The green line is IDOT owned property
The purple lines are proposed water retention ponds
The redline was the proposed Bartlett Road to Oak Lane extension with the diamond ramps.
It also shows how Oak Lane was going to dead end into a circle drive for the school and north of the EOH it would be a service road for the retail strip center.
The dotted light yellow shows what happened when the school expanded north.

The EOH was supposed to go below grade between US20 on the right all the way past the school to keep road noise down and then rise as it meets Bartlett Road and then move north back to the current US20 alignment.

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4442/36693101363_cec7733647.jpg)\

You can even see where IDOT bought land from the developer across Oak Lane from the Junior High. The grading for the streets and cul-de-sac are still visible.

Those plans must have been pre-1980s, as the last plans did not have the EOE as a freeway west of North Ave.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: edwaleni on September 30, 2017, 10:50:01 PM
I wouldn't rule out talk on extending the EOE westward picking up around 2025 when the current improvement program wraps up, especially if the IL 53 extension dies out.

I bet you it will be needed within the next decade or two. A link from Elgin to O'Hare without the use of I-90, and a nice in-between highway corridor between I-90 and I-88 serving the West/Northwest suburbs

I believe the western extension of IL-390 to North Ave/Lake Street will be an IDOT project, since it will be an arterial rather than a freeway. So ISTHA won't have anything to do with it.

I do wonder how they will get traffic to slow down between the existing western terminus of IL-390 and County Farm Road if the CFR intersection will be a stoplight. There does not seem to be a lot of space between the roads.

IL-390/US-20 was designed to have CFR go over it with a urban style exit layout. That is why IDOT didn't amass any excess dirt at the end like they typically do.  The plan was to trench 2 ponds on each side of CFR to supply fill for the rise over.  If and when they decide to extend it, they will probably use the same idea.  Since the ROW west of CFR is wetlands, there are several more drainage ponds that will be trenched to supply fill as the ROW turns NW back to the original US20.

As you can see IDOT not having any money was a killer when the parcel in black was sold to the local school district.

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4355/36463279756_6d54efea42_z.jpg)

I don't believe there was ever a plan to buy that property. The EOE was suppose to follow the existing US 20 west of North Ave, and it wasn't going to be full access control, more of a parkway-style with a mixture of at-grades and grade separations.

Yes, in the FAP-6 Environmental Review Report, there are notes about a meeting with the City of Bartlett officials on the extension of Bartlett Road south of the current US20 and work an intersection with Oak Street (now Oak Lane) due to a high accident rate at Oak Street (Lane) and US 20. There were also concerns that the then Eastview Junior High (now Bartlett Middle School) was going to be too close to the ROW even though there were no frontage roads planned. They had already decided a cloverleaf was impractical and a diamond would have to be used. 

This was in 1971/1972. When Eastview was expanded north by the Bartlett School District in the 1980's, they took up the buffer space the ROW expected to acquire and today IDOT would have to condemn all the retail property between the school and US20 to make it work.

Here is a closer view of the Elgin-O'Hare/Bartlett Road Exit was supposed to look like.

The light blue is the ROW
The green line is IDOT owned property
The purple lines are proposed water retention ponds
The redline was the proposed Bartlett Road to Oak Lane extension with the diamond ramps.
It also shows how Oak Lane was going to dead end into a circle drive for the school and north of the EOH it would be a service road for the retail strip center.
The dotted light yellow shows what happened when the school expanded north.

The EOH was supposed to go below grade between US20 on the right all the way past the school to keep road noise down and then rise as it meets Bartlett Road and then move north back to the current US20 alignment.

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4442/36693101363_cec7733647.jpg)\

You can even see where IDOT bought land from the developer across Oak Lane from the Junior High. The grading for the streets and cul-de-sac are still visible.

Those plans must have been pre-1980s, as the last plans did not have the EOE as a freeway west of North Ave.

1971-1973
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: dave069 on October 06, 2017, 12:45:14 AM
Does the tollway have any plans to increase the speed limit above 55 when the road is done?
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: inkyatari on October 06, 2017, 10:08:19 AM


Here is a closer view of the Elgin-O'Hare/Bartlett Road Exit was supposed to look like.

The light blue is the ROW
The green line is IDOT owned property
The purple lines are proposed water retention ponds
The redline was the proposed Bartlett Road to Oak Lane extension with the diamond ramps.
It also shows how Oak Lane was going to dead end into a circle drive for the school and north of the EOH it would be a service road for the retail strip center.
The dotted light yellow shows what happened when the school expanded north.

The EOH was supposed to go below grade between US20 on the right all the way past the school to keep road noise down and then rise as it meets Bartlett Road and then move north back to the current US20 alignment.

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4442/36693101363_cec7733647.jpg)\

You can even see where IDOT bought land from the developer across Oak Lane from the Junior High. The grading for the streets and cul-de-sac are still visible.

More current plans call for this to be a parkway of some sort.

WTF is with all the parkways these days? They won't help at all. Not at least in this situation, nor in the IL-53 extension plans.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: Joe The Dragon on October 06, 2017, 12:25:36 PM


Here is a closer view of the Elgin-O'Hare/Bartlett Road Exit was supposed to look like.

The light blue is the ROW
The green line is IDOT owned property
The purple lines are proposed water retention ponds
The redline was the proposed Bartlett Road to Oak Lane extension with the diamond ramps.
It also shows how Oak Lane was going to dead end into a circle drive for the school and north of the EOH it would be a service road for the retail strip center.
The dotted light yellow shows what happened when the school expanded north.

The EOH was supposed to go below grade between US20 on the right all the way past the school to keep road noise down and then rise as it meets Bartlett Road and then move north back to the current US20 alignment.

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4442/36693101363_cec7733647.jpg)\

You can even see where IDOT bought land from the developer across Oak Lane from the Junior High. The grading for the streets and cul-de-sac are still visible.

More current plans call for this to be a parkway of some sort.

WTF is with all the parkways these days? They won't help at all. Not at least in this situation, nor in the IL-53 extension plans.
if trump can kill the EPA then this parkway shit can go away. The tollway has the funds to do a real IL-53 tollway.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: Brandon on October 06, 2017, 09:46:10 PM
More current plans call for this to be a parkway of some sort.

WTF is with all the parkways these days? They won't help at all. Not at least in this situation, nor in the IL-53 extension plans.
if trump can kill the EPA then this parkway shit can go away. The tollway has the funds to do a real IL-53 tollway.

The problem isn't the USEPA, it's Long Fucking Grove and Hawthorn Fucking Woods.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: Finrod on October 08, 2017, 03:11:01 PM
More current plans call for this to be a parkway of some sort.

WTF is with all the parkways these days? They won't help at all. Not at least in this situation, nor in the IL-53 extension plans.
if trump can kill the EPA then this parkway shit can go away. The tollway has the funds to do a real IL-53 tollway.

The problem isn't the USEPA, it's Long Fucking Grove and Hawthorn Fucking Woods.

Agreed.  My ex-father-in-law lives in Long Grove and he would actually like to see SR 53 extended, but the vast majority in Long Grove are the NIMBY types that are so proud of their covered bridge (which made me laugh, because Parke County, Indiana has something like 20 of them) and don't give a flying leap that traffic around them is getting worse every year.
Title: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: tribar on October 08, 2017, 03:56:42 PM
Signs on the EOE indicate that cashless tolling will begin Nov 1.  I'm assuming this is when the new section will open up.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: I-39 on October 08, 2017, 04:52:00 PM
More current plans call for this to be a parkway of some sort.

WTF is with all the parkways these days? They won't help at all. Not at least in this situation, nor in the IL-53 extension plans.
if trump can kill the EPA then this parkway shit can go away. The tollway has the funds to do a real IL-53 tollway.

The problem isn't the USEPA, it's Long Fucking Grove and Hawthorn Fucking Woods.

Agreed.  My ex-father-in-law lives in Long Grove and he would actually like to see SR 53 extended, but the vast majority in Long Grove are the NIMBY types that are so proud of their covered bridge (which made me laugh, because Parke County, Indiana has something like 20 of them) and don't give a flying leap that traffic around them is getting worse every year.

I don't think IL-53 will ever be extended, it has been dragged out too long and the costs keep rising. I have given up hope on it happening.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: Joe The Dragon on October 08, 2017, 09:59:31 PM
Signs on the EOE indicate that cashless tolling will begin Nov 1.  I'm assuming this is when the new section will open up.
event on 28 and 29-31 as free days? I think they would want it open Monday morning
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: johndoe780 on October 09, 2017, 07:49:36 AM
More current plans call for this to be a parkway of some sort.

WTF is with all the parkways these days? They won't help at all. Not at least in this situation, nor in the IL-53 extension plans.
if trump can kill the EPA then this parkway shit can go away. The tollway has the funds to do a real IL-53 tollway.

The problem isn't the USEPA, it's Long Fucking Grove and Hawthorn Fucking Woods.

Agreed.  My ex-father-in-law lives in Long Grove and he would actually like to see SR 53 extended, but the vast majority in Long Grove are the NIMBY types that are so proud of their covered bridge (which made me laugh, because Parke County, Indiana has something like 20 of them) and don't give a flying leap that traffic around them is getting worse every year.

I don't think IL-53 will ever be extended, it has been dragged out too long and the costs keep rising. I have given up hope on it happening.

I think it will get extended sooner rather than later. Once this generation from Long Grove and Hawthorne Woods dies off, the newer generation will want this damn road built.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: Joe The Dragon on October 09, 2017, 12:58:09 PM
More current plans call for this to be a parkway of some sort.

WTF is with all the parkways these days? They won't help at all. Not at least in this situation, nor in the IL-53 extension plans.
if trump can kill the EPA then this parkway shit can go away. The tollway has the funds to do a real IL-53 tollway.

The problem isn't the USEPA, it's Long Fucking Grove and Hawthorn Fucking Woods.

Agreed.  My ex-father-in-law lives in Long Grove and he would actually like to see SR 53 extended, but the vast majority in Long Grove are the NIMBY types that are so proud of their covered bridge (which made me laugh, because Parke County, Indiana has something like 20 of them) and don't give a flying leap that traffic around them is getting worse every year.

I don't think IL-53 will ever be extended, it has been dragged out too long and the costs keep rising. I have given up hope on it happening.

I think it will get extended sooner rather than later. Once this generation from Long Grove and Hawthorne Woods dies off, the newer generation will want this damn road built.
and it be may better then a mass upgrade to us-12
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: I-39 on October 09, 2017, 08:54:38 PM
More current plans call for this to be a parkway of some sort.

WTF is with all the parkways these days? They won't help at all. Not at least in this situation, nor in the IL-53 extension plans.
if trump can kill the EPA then this parkway shit can go away. The tollway has the funds to do a real IL-53 tollway.

The problem isn't the USEPA, it's Long Fucking Grove and Hawthorn Fucking Woods.

Agreed.  My ex-father-in-law lives in Long Grove and he would actually like to see SR 53 extended, but the vast majority in Long Grove are the NIMBY types that are so proud of their covered bridge (which made me laugh, because Parke County, Indiana has something like 20 of them) and don't give a flying leap that traffic around them is getting worse every year.

I don't think IL-53 will ever be extended, it has been dragged out too long and the costs keep rising. I have given up hope on it happening.

I think it will get extended sooner rather than later. Once this generation from Long Grove and Hawthorne Woods dies off, the newer generation will want this damn road built.

No, the millennial generation wants more mass transit and sustainable development. They don't want more roads like IL-53. I'm sorry to say, but I really think it's dead in the water.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: KeithE4Phx on October 09, 2017, 09:03:53 PM
The problem isn't the USEPA, it's Long Fucking Grove and Hawthorn Fucking Woods.

Good grief, are they still sniveling over this?  It's been close to 40 years now, if not more.  I remember both towns fighting this when I moved to Palatine in 1979!  :no:  :crazy: :rolleyes:  :wow: :pan:
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: Brandon on October 09, 2017, 09:18:15 PM
No, the millennial generation wants more mass transit and sustainable development. They don't want more roads like IL-53. I'm sorry to say, but I really think it's dead in the water.

That's the biggest bunch of horse shit I've seen in a while.  Certain people in the media love to push it, but it doesn't pan out in reality.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: I-39 on October 09, 2017, 10:02:34 PM
No, the millennial generation wants more mass transit and sustainable development. They don't want more roads like IL-53. I'm sorry to say, but I really think it's dead in the water.

That's the biggest bunch of horse shit I've seen in a while.  Certain people in the media love to push it, but it doesn't pan out in reality.

Not saying I agree with it, but there is some truth behind that. Why do you think companies are moving to big cities and there is more and more push for "liveable" communities (i.e, with lots of pedestrian-friendly streets, bike paths, walking distance to stores, etc).

I'm not saying I don't think IL-53 is needed, I definitely think it's needed, but unless there is a drastic change of attitude soon, I don't think it will happen.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: johndoe780 on October 09, 2017, 11:31:30 PM
No, the millennial generation wants more mass transit and sustainable development. They don't want more roads like IL-53. I'm sorry to say, but I really think it's dead in the water.

That's the biggest bunch of horse shit I've seen in a while.  Certain people in the media love to push it, but it doesn't pan out in reality.

Not saying I agree with it, but there is some truth behind that. Why do you think companies are moving to big cities and there is more and more push for "liveable" communities (i.e, with lots of pedestrian-friendly streets, bike paths, walking distance to stores, etc).

I'm not saying I don't think IL-53 is needed, I definitely think it's needed, but unless there is a drastic change of attitude soon, I don't think it will happen.

Your logic is flawed. No millineal in their damn mind would want to live in Long Grove let alone afford it.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: quickshade on October 10, 2017, 12:37:24 AM
They can fight over it all they want, and i'm all for more mass transit options, but until we get mass transit systems that not only work, but don't cost an arm and a leg and can't ever seem to run on time it won't happen. People hate being stuck and not in control of the situation when it happens and thats why mass transit hasn't taken off in this country like in others. We like the freedom of being in control of our own car. Japan has an excellent transit system that would be great for here but until we clear out Madigan, the cook county board and a few other problems we have it'll never happen. 53 does need to happen, and it is only a matter of time before it does.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: cabiness42 on October 10, 2017, 09:16:43 AM
No, the millennial generation wants more mass transit and sustainable development. They don't want more roads like IL-53. I'm sorry to say, but I really think it's dead in the water.

That's the biggest bunch of horse shit I've seen in a while.  Certain people in the media love to push it, but it doesn't pan out in reality.

I'm currently looking out my office window at the headquarters of the world's second largest private employer, which is in the process of a move from Oak Brook to the West Loop primarily because they are having trouble getting millenials to work in Oak Brook.  Places that aren't close to good mass transit options (the lot of Pace buses criss-crossing Oak Brook doesn't really count), are going to have trouble attracting top companies.

Now, I'm fairly certain that other companies will come in and fill the voids in places like Oak Brook, and there will still be enough traffic to justify the EOT, the Tri-State expansion, and the Route 53 extension, but it's not because millenials don't prefer mass transit because they do.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: Brandon on October 10, 2017, 10:17:00 AM
No, the millennial generation wants more mass transit and sustainable development. They don't want more roads like IL-53. I'm sorry to say, but I really think it's dead in the water.

That's the biggest bunch of horse shit I've seen in a while.  Certain people in the media love to push it, but it doesn't pan out in reality.

I'm currently looking out my office window at the headquarters of the world's second largest private employer, which is in the process of a move from Oak Brook to the West Loop primarily because they are having trouble getting millenials to work in Oak Brook think they're being "cool" by moving into Chicago.

FIFY.  There are plenty of companies staying put where they are.  They'll also lose a good percentage of their experienced work force with the move.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: ET21 on October 10, 2017, 11:49:32 AM
No, the millennial generation wants more mass transit and sustainable development. They don't want more roads like IL-53. I'm sorry to say, but I really think it's dead in the water.

That's the biggest bunch of horse shit I've seen in a while.  Certain people in the media love to push it, but it doesn't pan out in reality.

Not saying I agree with it, but there is some truth behind that. Why do you think companies are moving to big cities and there is more and more push for "liveable" communities (i.e, with lots of pedestrian-friendly streets, bike paths, walking distance to stores, etc).

I'm not saying I don't think IL-53 is needed, I definitely think it's needed, but unless there is a drastic change of attitude soon, I don't think it will happen.

Your logic is flawed. No millineal in their damn mind would want to live in Long Grove let alone afford it.

Even the hipsters can't afford it  :-D :-D
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: Joe The Dragon on October 10, 2017, 07:53:02 PM
No, the millennial generation wants more mass transit and sustainable development. They don't want more roads like IL-53. I'm sorry to say, but I really think it's dead in the water.

That's the biggest bunch of horse shit I've seen in a while.  Certain people in the media love to push it, but it doesn't pan out in reality.

I'm currently looking out my office window at the headquarters of the world's second largest private employer, which is in the process of a move from Oak Brook to the West Loop primarily because they are having trouble getting millenials to work in Oak Brook think they're being "cool" by moving into Chicago.

FIFY.  There are plenty of companies staying put where they are.  They'll also lose a good percentage of their experienced work force with the move.

I think they want cut out the old dead wood and this is way to do it with out firing people.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: johndoe780 on October 10, 2017, 08:43:23 PM
No, the millennial generation wants more mass transit and sustainable development. They don't want more roads like IL-53. I'm sorry to say, but I really think it's dead in the water.

That's the biggest bunch of horse shit I've seen in a while.  Certain people in the media love to push it, but it doesn't pan out in reality.

Not saying I agree with it, but there is some truth behind that. Why do you think companies are moving to big cities and there is more and more push for "liveable" communities (i.e, with lots of pedestrian-friendly streets, bike paths, walking distance to stores, etc).

I'm not saying I don't think IL-53 is needed, I definitely think it's needed, but unless there is a drastic change of attitude soon, I don't think it will happen.

Your logic is flawed. No millineal in their damn mind would want to live in Long Grove let alone afford it.

Even the hipsters can't afford it  :-D :-D

What's the average house price in places like Long Grove? 750k? 1 mill?

Hipsters complain about $1200/month for rent... The toll road is the least of their concern.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: Finrod on October 11, 2017, 01:58:49 AM
They can fight over it all they want, and i'm all for more mass transit options, but until we get mass transit systems that not only work, but don't cost an arm and a leg and can't ever seem to run on time it won't happen. People hate being stuck and not in control of the situation when it happens and thats why mass transit hasn't taken off in this country like in others. We like the freedom of being in control of our own car. Japan has an excellent transit system that would be great for here but until we clear out Madigan, the cook county board and a few other problems we have it'll never happen. 53 does need to happen, and it is only a matter of time before it does.

Doesn't help that pretty much no mass transit system in the country comes even close to paying for itself.  So every time one gets built or extended the costs only go up and there's no money for anything else.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: edwaleni on October 12, 2017, 12:37:13 AM
They can fight over it all they want, and i'm all for more mass transit options, but until we get mass transit systems that not only work, but don't cost an arm and a leg and can't ever seem to run on time it won't happen. People hate being stuck and not in control of the situation when it happens and thats why mass transit hasn't taken off in this country like in others. We like the freedom of being in control of our own car. Japan has an excellent transit system that would be great for here but until we clear out Madigan, the cook county board and a few other problems we have it'll never happen. 53 does need to happen, and it is only a matter of time before it does.

Doesn't help that pretty much no mass transit system in the country comes even close to paying for itself.  So every time one gets built or extended the costs only go up and there's no money for anything else.

Autonomous Transit will be the future for variable destinations desired by cars. It won't replace mass transit where 10's or 100's of thousands need to reach a specific locale but they will still need roads to function.

The City of Jacksonville Florida is looking to replace their automated people mover system with fully autonomous vehicles that can access the elevated right of way where a monorail exists today, directly from the street.

So for urban spaces the cars go up on a elevated ROW where regular cars can't go and stop at stations, and in the suburbs they use the arterials and freeways that already exist and stop at either bus stops or at the address of your choice.

Look ahead route planning using telemetry will guide your vehicle on a route that bypasses accidents.

No word on how these can be programmed to avoid neighborhoods.  I would hate to get caught at 63rd and State trying to avoid a backup on the Ryan.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: Rick Powell on October 13, 2017, 02:03:33 AM

No, the millennial generation wants more mass transit and sustainable development. They don't want more roads like IL-53. I'm sorry to say, but I really think it's dead in the water.

For people who live in Lake County, and work in northern Cook or DuPage, the potential for additional mass transit is challenging. Lots of mass transit is available for people who live in the suburbs and work downtown, as Metra is one of the largest and most successful spoke-and-hub transit systems in the USA. And there is a logic for firms located downtown (like where I work) because you can draw from a large talent pool when you are at the center point of a robust spoke-and-hub system like Metra (and for those in CTA or biking distance of the loop or for the hardy souls who drive and park in the loop). But I will also tell you, from actual observation of our work force and the work force of other companies and agencies we work with, that somewhere around 9 of 10 millenials/Gen X and Y will move to the suburbs when their children reach school age. We have a few people within 5 or 10 minutes' walking distance of our office. But even for the city residents among us, their commute is often a 45 minute to 1 hour affair when all the walking, waiting and riding is all factored in.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: Revive 755 on October 13, 2017, 09:23:32 PM
Recently noticed that a couple of the new sign bridges for the EOE at or east of I-290 have illumination for the BGS's mounted upon them.  I had thought those were going extinct given the improved retroreflectivity of signs.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: compdude787 on October 14, 2017, 12:16:14 AM
No, the millennial generation wants more mass transit and sustainable development. They don't want more roads like IL-53. I'm sorry to say, but I really think it's dead in the water.

That's the biggest bunch of horse shit I've seen in a while.  Certain people in the media love to push it, but it doesn't pan out in reality.

I'm currently looking out my office window at the headquarters of the world's second largest private employer, which is in the process of a move from Oak Brook to the West Loop primarily because they are having trouble getting millenials to work in Oak Brook think they're being "cool" by moving into Chicago.

FIFY.  There are plenty of companies staying put where they are.  They'll also lose a good percentage of their experienced work force with the move.

Yup. I doubt it has anything to do with millennials not wanting to work in the suburbs. I'm a millennial and I actually like living in the suburbs. I have never understood the hate for suburbs. In fact, I want to have a job in the suburbs so that I don't have to commute all the way into downtown Seattle, whose road network has not seen a significant capacity increase since the 60s.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: ChiMilNet on October 14, 2017, 06:28:47 PM
No, the millennial generation wants more mass transit and sustainable development. They don't want more roads like IL-53. I'm sorry to say, but I really think it's dead in the water.

That's the biggest bunch of horse shit I've seen in a while.  Certain people in the media love to push it, but it doesn't pan out in reality.

I'm currently looking out my office window at the headquarters of the world's second largest private employer, which is in the process of a move from Oak Brook to the West Loop primarily because they are having trouble getting millenials to work in Oak Brook think they're being "cool" by moving into Chicago.

FIFY.  There are plenty of companies staying put where they are.  They'll also lose a good percentage of their experienced work force with the move.

Yup. I doubt it has anything to do with millennials not wanting to work in the suburbs. I'm a millennial and I actually like living in the suburbs. I have never understood the hate for suburbs. In fact, I want to have a job in the suburbs so that I don't have to commute all the way into downtown Seattle, whose road network has not seen a significant capacity increase since the 60s.

As a millennial who recently made the move from suburbs to city, I can tell you it's very much a lifestyle thing. At least from an Illinois perspective, the abundance of public transportation in the city is just a lot more convenient than dealing with the mess of a road system in the burbs, at least in my opinion. Getting this back on the main subject, the new IL-390 Tollway will help things, but I do believe that it would be a great candidate for a future mass transit (maybe part of a blue line extension, for instance).

However, when I go to the burbs, I absolutely want more highways as it allows me to get where I am going faster out that way.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: inkyatari on October 19, 2017, 08:50:55 AM
Registered my wife and son for the event.  Should be a blast!
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: Great Lakes Roads on October 19, 2017, 10:44:12 AM
Registered my wife and son for the event.  Should be a blast!

I am also going to the event!! Can't wait!!
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: bobonabike on November 01, 2017, 03:46:15 PM
http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2017/11/01/illinois-tollway-delivers-new-illinois-route-390-tollway/
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: Great Lakes Roads on November 05, 2017, 03:11:15 PM
Here are the driving videos on the new section of the Elgin-O'Hare expressway (Illinois Route 390) in BOTH directions!!  :clap: :clap: :clap:

Eastbound:

Westbound:
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: johndoe780 on November 06, 2017, 10:04:36 AM
I like how ITHSA painted the gantries gray instead of that gross rusty looking paint IDOT uses.

Does anyone know why IDOT continues to use rusty looking paint on its bridges and gantries?
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: mgk920 on November 06, 2017, 10:58:36 AM
What's the current end-to-end car toll on IL 390?

Also, is there any near-term possibility for the ISTHA to adapt the 'pay by mail' plate photo thing that other tollway and bridge/tunnel authorities use on their open road/electronic tolls?

BTW, that eastward extension is one of those corridors that I thought that I would never see developed.

Mike
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: Brandon on November 06, 2017, 11:45:22 AM
Also, is there any near-term possibility for the ISTHA to adapt the 'pay by mail' plate photo thing that other tollway and bridge/tunnel authorities use on their open road/electronic tolls?

ISTHA does pay online rather than 'pay by mail' plate photo thing.  If you pay online within 7 days, it's merely the cash rate (twice the I-Pass rate) with no other fees or fines attached (unlike some other agencies do).

The rates are here: https://www.illinoistollway.com/tolling-information
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: SEWIGuy on November 06, 2017, 12:03:05 PM
What's the current end-to-end car toll on IL 390?

$1.90 Ipass, $3.80 cash
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: dvferyance on November 06, 2017, 07:27:28 PM
RIP Thorndale Ave.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: sparker on November 06, 2017, 08:09:03 PM
I like how ITHSA painted the gantries gray instead of that gross rusty looking paint IDOT uses.

Does anyone know why IDOT continues to use rusty looking paint on its bridges and gantries?

If it's Corr-Ten (I hope I got the spelling right) steel, it is inherently "rusty", as the steel is deliberately intended to build up an outer oxidized layer that protects the actual structure from rust damage.  It's extensively used in OR and WA, where year-round moisture is a perpetual problem. 
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: compdude787 on November 06, 2017, 09:24:19 PM
Also, is there any near-term possibility for the ISTHA to adapt the 'pay by mail' plate photo thing that other tollway and bridge/tunnel authorities use on their open road/electronic tolls?

ISTHA does pay online rather than 'pay by mail' plate photo thing.  If you pay online within 7 days, it's merely the cash rate (twice the I-Pass rate) with no other fees or fines attached (unlike some other agencies do).

The rates are here: https://www.illinoistollway.com/tolling-information

Frankly, I wish every toll agency did it that way. If I was driving on a particular road as part of a trip only once such that I didn't think it worth getting a transponder prior to the trip, I'd rather be able to pay online just after I've used the road rather than waiting for that toll agency to send me a bill in the mail.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: Rick Powell on November 07, 2017, 12:20:11 AM
I like how ITHSA painted the gantries gray instead of that gross rusty looking paint IDOT uses.

Does anyone know why IDOT continues to use rusty looking paint on its bridges and gantries?

If it's Corr-Ten (I hope I got the spelling right) steel, it is inherently "rusty", as the steel is deliberately intended to build up an outer oxidized layer that protects the actual structure from rust damage.  It's extensively used in OR and WA, where year-round moisture is a perpetual problem. 

Plus, Cor-Ten doesn’t need to be painted, which eliminates a maintenance expense. IDOT does paint the beam ends of “high visibility” bridges of Cor-Ten steel, because it leaves horrible rust stains on adjacent concrete piers and slope walls if left untreated.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: Brandon on November 07, 2017, 05:59:33 AM
RIP Thorndale Ave.

Thorndale is now the service drive for the eastern EOE.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: inkyatari on November 07, 2017, 09:19:01 AM
It seems to me that the only reason the 390 / 490 projects are being built is because the ISTHA is bored and needs something to do.  the north 53 extension / 120 improvements are much more needed, but who knows what's going to happen with that.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: Henry on November 07, 2017, 10:03:54 AM
I'm definitely going to check out the new tollway on my next trip back to Chicago!
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: mgk920 on November 07, 2017, 12:06:02 PM
It seems to me that the only reason the 390 / 490 projects are being built is because the ISTHA is bored and needs something to do.  the north 53 extension / 120 improvements are much more needed, but who knows what's going to happen with that.

On that note, I'm kind of wondering if there are any projects downstate that the ISTHA could be interested in taking over so that they can get built more quickly.

Mike
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: Joe The Dragon on November 07, 2017, 12:53:49 PM
It seems to me that the only reason the 390 / 490 projects are being built is because the ISTHA is bored and needs something to do.  the north 53 extension / 120 improvements are much more needed, but who knows what's going to happen with that.

On that note, I'm kind of wondering if there are any projects downstate that the ISTHA could be interested in taking over so that they can get built more quickly.

Mike
I can think of some Chicago land stuff to take over and toll
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: dvferyance on November 07, 2017, 05:14:49 PM
RIP Thorndale Ave.

Thorndale is now the service drive for the eastern EOE.
I see kind of like what Verona Rd became in Madison frontage service roads.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: Revive 755 on November 07, 2017, 06:50:24 PM
On that note, I'm kind of wondering if there are any projects downstate that the ISTHA could be interested in taking over so that they can get built more quickly.

Mike

I've heard but never confirmed there is something in the Illinois codified statutes that prevent ISTHA from doing projects downstate.  Then there is also some opposition to tolling downstate, as demonstrated during the during the development of the I-70 bridge in the St. Louis area.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: ilpt4u on November 07, 2017, 07:37:41 PM
It seems to me that the only reason the 390 / 490 projects are being built is because the ISTHA is bored and needs something to do.  the north 53 extension / 120 improvements are much more needed, but who knows what's going to happen with that.

On that note, I'm kind of wondering if there are any projects downstate that the ISTHA could be interested in taking over so that they can get built more quickly.

Mike
What all Downstate projects would have the traffic counts to warrant toll financed bonds? Unless Chicagoland Tolls are to subsidize Downstate Tollroads (thinking the West end of ISTHA's part of I-88 presently, or the whole state of PA being subsidized by the PA Turnpike Tolls)

The IL 336 Macomb to Peoria project I doubt would warrant toll financing.
US 20 to Dubuque from Rockford? I doubt it.
The I-474/I-180 connector Freeway north of Peoria along the IL River? I-39 isn't that far away as a Shunpike option.
US 51 continued upgrade to at least Divided Expressway, if not full Interstate 39 extension towards Salem/I-57? Depends how much time it would ultimately save between Salem and Bloomington/Normal, compared to the Shunpike/existing free route of I-57/I-74.

Otherwise, current Interstate corridors that might need expansion/rebuilding, might be more viable for tolling. But its a bit more of a chore to toll an existing free Interstate
I-57 from I-24 to I-64
I-70, I-80, I-55 across the state

My totally fictional one (which has been studied and didn't pass the test): Build I-24 Westward extension across Southern IL and Southeastern MO, and then link it up to the Avenue of the Saints in/near St Louis, to have a nice Twin Cities to Chattanooga corridor, and ISTHA can take the lead in IL and toll from Marion to the MS River crossing, wherever it would end up

One that I think might be viable for tolling, stays more in the greater Chicagoland area: Study with Indiana, the Illiana (mostly in IL) in combination with a US 30 Freeway upgrade in Indiana, connecting to the current US 30 Freeway in Ohio, and advance that as New/Future Interstate 80. I'm guessing that upgrade would have to be tolled anyway, depending on the Concession language of the Indiana Toll Road lease and free alternatives

Back to the original topic of the Elgin/O'Hare Tollway: How long will Google Maps take to show IL 390 east of I-290? And better yet, how long before Google Maps can use a 390 Route Marker instead of text-only reference to IL 390?
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: SSOWorld on November 07, 2017, 08:49:33 PM
It seems to me that the only reason the 390 / 490 projects are being built is because the ISTHA is bored and needs something to do.  the north 53 extension / 120 improvements are much more needed, but who knows what's going to happen with that.

On that note, I'm kind of wondering if there are any projects downstate that the ISTHA could be interested in taking over so that they can get built more quickly.

Mike
What all Downstate projects would have the traffic counts to warrant toll financed bonds? Unless Chicagoland Tolls are to subsidize Downstate Tollroads (thinking the West end of ISTHA's part of I-88 presently, or the whole state of PA being subsidized by the PA Turnpike Tolls)

The IL 336 Macomb to Peoria project I doubt would warrant toll financing.
US 20 to Dubuque from Rockford? I doubt it.
The I-474/I-180 connector Freeway north of Peoria along the IL River? I-39 isn't that far away as a Shunpike option.
US 51 continued upgrade to at least Divided Expressway, if not full Interstate 39 extension towards Salem/I-57? Depends how much time it would ultimately save between Salem and Bloomington/Normal, compared to the Shunpike/existing free route of I-57/I-74.

Otherwise, current Interstate corridors that might need expansion/rebuilding, might be more viable for tolling. But its a bit more of a chore to toll an existing free Interstate
I-57 from I-24 to I-64
I-70, I-80, I-55 across the state

My totally fictional one (which has been studied and didn't pass the test): Build I-24 Westward extension across Southern IL and Southeastern MO, and then link it up to the Avenue of the Saints in/near St Louis, to have a nice Twin Cities to Chattanooga corridor, and ISTHA can take the lead in IL and toll from Marion to the MS River crossing, wherever it would end up

One that I think might be viable for tolling, stays more in the greater Chicagoland area: Study with Indiana, the Illiana (mostly in IL) in combination with a US 30 Freeway upgrade in Indiana, connecting to the current US 30 Freeway in Ohio, and advance that as New/Future Interstate 80. I'm guessing that upgrade would have to be tolled anyway, depending on the Concession language of the Indiana Toll Road lease and free alternatives

Back to the original topic of the Elgin/O'Hare Tollway: How long will Google Maps take to show IL 390 east of I-290? And better yet, how long before Google Maps can use a 390 Route Marker instead of text-only reference to IL 390?
US 51 south of Bloomington never deserved the 4-lane.  It only got it because Decatur wanted it.  It's all at-grade with varying speed zones that are reduced at every single traffic light intersection.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: ilpt4u on November 07, 2017, 09:02:19 PM
US 51 south of Bloomington never deserved the 4-lane.  It only got it because Decatur wanted it.  It's all at-grade with varying speed zones that are reduced at every single traffic light intersection.
I believe it got it, because ADM wanted it. The segment from Bloomington/Normal to Decatur really could use Grade-Separation

IDOT keeps pushing it further South. Its almost 4 Lane Divided all the way to Pana now
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: thenetwork on November 07, 2017, 09:24:20 PM
Could ISHTA build a tolled "Express Lane" 2nd bridge on I-270 over the waterways at the Mississippi?  The traffic counts there and congestion could warrant an additional crossing just north of the current I-270 Alignment.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: ilpt4u on November 07, 2017, 09:30:53 PM
Could ISHTA build a tolled "Express Lane" 2nd bridge on I-270 over the waterways at the Mississippi?  The traffic counts there and congestion could warrant an additional crossing just north of the current I-270 Alignment.
I don't see why not -- but keep in mind, when tolls were proposed to help pay for the Stan Musial/I-70 bridge Downtown...well, that proposal got put down, hard.

The actual MS River bridge would have to have some sort of cooperation/agreement with Missouri, I would think
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: Finrod on November 07, 2017, 09:34:44 PM
One that I think might be viable for tolling, stays more in the greater Chicagoland area: Study with Indiana, the Illiana (mostly in IL) in combination with a US 30 Freeway upgrade in Indiana, connecting to the current US 30 Freeway in Ohio, and advance that as New/Future Interstate 80. I'm guessing that upgrade would have to be tolled anyway, depending on the Concession language of the Indiana Toll Road lease and free alternatives

I'm in favor of this, though I'd just number it as an extension of I-76.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: Joe The Dragon on November 08, 2017, 10:28:05 AM
It seems to me that the only reason the 390 / 490 projects are being built is because the ISTHA is bored and needs something to do.  the north 53 extension / 120 improvements are much more needed, but who knows what's going to happen with that.
there also a push for tolled lanes on I-290 and I-55 in Chicago.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: Joe The Dragon on November 08, 2017, 10:59:28 PM
I-290 to IL-83 in 1M and 37S Tolling point times I think It really took about 2 Min.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: johndoe780 on November 09, 2017, 02:51:17 PM
US 51 south of Bloomington never deserved the 4-lane.  It only got it because Decatur wanted it.  It's all at-grade with varying speed zones that are reduced at every single traffic light intersection.
I believe it got it, because ADM wanted it. The segment from Bloomington/Normal to Decatur really could use Grade-Separation

IDOT keeps pushing it further South. Its almost 4 Lane Divided all the way to Pana now

Why didn't they just grade seperate 51 instead then to at least Decatur?
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: Revive 755 on November 09, 2017, 11:32:25 PM
Could ISHTA build a tolled "Express Lane" 2nd bridge on I-270 over the waterways at the Mississippi?  The traffic counts there and congestion could warrant an additional crossing just north of the current I-270 Alignment.
I don't see why not -- but keep in mind, when tolls were proposed to help pay for the Stan Musial/I-70 bridge Downtown...well, that proposal got put down, hard.

The actual MS River bridge would have to have some sort of cooperation/agreement with Missouri, I would think

I don't think Missouri would object, given how much they wanted to toll the I-70 bridge, and would like to toll I-70 across Missouri.  Since IIRC it is easier to toll an existing free interstate bridge compared to a corridor, it would be possible to toll I-270 for both replacing the existing bridge and/or building a companion span.

IMHO the portion of the now-dead Gateway Connector between I-55/I-70 at Troy to I-64 near Scott Air Force Base might have been a good candidate for a downstate ISTHA project.  Perhaps the I-64 to IL 15 portion as well.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: hobsini2 on November 12, 2017, 08:18:56 PM
US 51 south of Bloomington never deserved the 4-lane.  It only got it because Decatur wanted it.  It's all at-grade with varying speed zones that are reduced at every single traffic light intersection.
I believe it got it, because ADM wanted it. The segment from Bloomington/Normal to Decatur really could use Grade-Separation

IDOT keeps pushing it further South. Its almost 4 Lane Divided all the way to Pana now

Why didn't they just grade seperate 51 instead then to at least Decatur?
Probably didn't think it needed it at the time much the same way that it was not until about 1990 or so that Wisconsin treat US 41 as a true freeway. There were several cross roads on 41 between US 45 in Richfield and Wis 26  by Oshkosh as well as between Kaukauna and DePere.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: I-39 on November 15, 2017, 10:02:09 PM
US 51 south of Bloomington never deserved the 4-lane.  It only got it because Decatur wanted it.  It's all at-grade with varying speed zones that are reduced at every single traffic light intersection.
I believe it got it, because ADM wanted it. The segment from Bloomington/Normal to Decatur really could use Grade-Separation

IDOT keeps pushing it further South. Its almost 4 Lane Divided all the way to Pana now

Why didn't they just grade seperate 51 instead then to at least Decatur?
Probably didn't think it needed it at the time much the same way that it was not until about 1990 or so that Wisconsin treat US 41 as a true freeway. There were several cross roads on 41 between US 45 in Richfield and Wis 26  by Oshkosh as well as between Kaukauna and DePere.

It's kind of a long story as to why US 51 didn't become a freeway south of Bloomington. As you all probably know, FAP 412 (US 51) was suppose to be a freeway from Rockford to I-57 near Salem, but in the 1960s/70s, only the area between Rockford and Decatur was prioritized due to higher traffic and major safety concerns (traffic was not as high south of Decatur).

Long story short, US 51 was suppose to become a freeway between Bloomington and Decatur (on a new alignment west of the existing one), but it ran into major opposition (farmers were furious at the amount of land being taken out of production, this was before Interstate-standards changed to take less farmland) and a lack of funding. This stemmed from a huge debate in the 1970s as to how the new FAP 412 should be built. IDOT wanted the whole road (between Rockford and Decatur) a freeway/Interstate, but a transportation committee established to review the proposed supplemental freeway system only recommended freeway/Interstate north of I-80. From La-Salle-Peru south to Decatur, US 51 would have simply become a divided highway similar to what was ultimately built between Bloomington and Decatur.

There is much more to it then that, but you get the point. See my old thread on I-39/US 51 (FAP 412) History for more info on this.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: mrsman on November 23, 2017, 10:44:03 PM
Also, is there any near-term possibility for the ISTHA to adapt the 'pay by mail' plate photo thing that other tollway and bridge/tunnel authorities use on their open road/electronic tolls?

ISTHA does pay online rather than 'pay by mail' plate photo thing.  If you pay online within 7 days, it's merely the cash rate (twice the I-Pass rate) with no other fees or fines attached (unlike some other agencies do).

The rates are here: https://www.illinoistollway.com/tolling-information

Frankly, I wish every toll agency did it that way. If I was driving on a particular road as part of a trip only once such that I didn't think it worth getting a transponder prior to the trip, I'd rather be able to pay online just after I've used the road rather than waiting for that toll agency to send me a bill in the mail.

Agreed.  Let's do away with punitive fees for not having a transponder and getting rid of toll booths completely.   Something needs to be done about the punitive fees for rental cars as well.  With enough investment, the interchanges at toll booths can be modernized as well.

Massachusetts is also going through a major open road tolling initiative where they are working on fixing some of the interchanges near the former toll booths.  It's leading to more efficient roadways and a lot of surplus land where the toll booths used to be.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: SSOWorld on November 24, 2017, 08:09:32 AM
Do you think the punitive fees for rental cars are charged by the agency.  My bet is the rental car companies are adding them.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: Brandon on November 24, 2017, 08:29:09 PM
Do you think the punitive fees for rental cars are charged by the agency.  My bet is the rental car companies are adding them.

The rental car companies are adding them.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: SSOWorld on November 25, 2017, 12:55:51 AM
Do you think the punitive fees for rental cars are charged by the agency.  My bet is the rental car companies are adding them.

The rental car companies are adding them.
What I thought. I didn't want to assume.  Point is the rental car companies want their fair share. Last time I rented a car in IL (2013) I used my own I-PASS. (Flew in from LAX).  They had no issue.  Nowadays that may be different.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: kkt on November 25, 2017, 01:56:24 AM
The rental car companies want 3x to 10x as much as the actual toll is, and call it their fair share.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: edwaleni on November 29, 2017, 11:44:42 PM
Could ISHTA build a tolled "Express Lane" 2nd bridge on I-270 over the waterways at the Mississippi?  The traffic counts there and congestion could warrant an additional crossing just north of the current I-270 Alignment.

Most of the bridges crossing the Mississippi at one time were tolled. The MacArthur, Veterans, Chain of Rocks, McKinley (owned by a railroad).  I think only the Eads Bridge wasn't but it was strictly local traffic.  When the Poplar Street Bridge opened (I-70/I-55) many of those urban toll bridges began to decline.

The I-270 bridge opening was delayed over and over in the 1960's due to lawsuits from the owner of the Chain of Rocks Bridge.  The bondholders knew a free bridge would be their demise. They lost in court and they dribbled on for a few more years until they filed BK.  Now its a public walkway.  My uncle crossed the C-O-R Bridge for years from the 50's until 270 opened and used to complain about all the Schlitz beer ads plastered on the beams as you crossed.  Said it promoted drunk driving. The toll collector said it paid the electric bills to keep it lit at night.

A tollroad in Southern Illinois (IMHO) would probably complete the US50 project that was abandoned between O'Fallon (I-64) east to Lake Carlyle. Studies are currently underway by IDOT to see if they can get it finished right now.  Other than the Quincy/StL route, I can't think of any other toll candidate south of Chicago. FHA planners have desired a better truck route between the Twin Cities and StL for quite a while. IDOT wants it to connect to the CKC/I-172 on the north end down to I-255 north of Alton.

IDOT does have a plan for US51 "Pana Bypass" which would take it all the way to a new alignment at I-70 in Vandalia.  IDOT has wanted a 4 lane "spine line" with US51 for many, many years from Rockford to Cairo.

IDOT would really like to finish US20 all the way to East Dubuque to promote tourism into Galena.  Iowa DOT has done such a great job at upgrading US20 west of Dubuque that if IDOT can get it done along with a new Mississippi River bridge it would prove a great E-W corridor that avoids the Quad Cities and I-90 across Minnesota. Right now its old 2 lane ROW west of Freeport to East Dubuque.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: Joe The Dragon on November 30, 2017, 01:07:52 PM
Could ISHTA build a tolled "Express Lane" 2nd bridge on I-270 over the waterways at the Mississippi?  The traffic counts there and congestion could warrant an additional crossing just north of the current I-270 Alignment.

Most of the bridges crossing the Mississippi at one time were tolled. The MacArthur, Veterans, Chain of Rocks, McKinley (owned by a railroad).  I think only the Eads Bridge wasn't but it was strictly local traffic.  When the Poplar Street Bridge opened (I-70/I-55) many of those urban toll bridges began to decline.

The I-270 bridge opening was delayed over and over in the 1960's due to lawsuits from the owner of the Chain of Rocks Bridge.  The bondholders knew a free bridge would be their demise. They lost in court and they dribbled on for a few more years until they filed BK.  Now its a public walkway.  My uncle crossed the C-O-R Bridge for years from the 50's until 270 opened and used to complain about all the Schlitz beer ads plastered on the beams as you crossed.  Said it promoted drunk driving. The toll collector said it paid the electric bills to keep it lit at night.

A tollroad in Southern Illinois (IMHO) would probably complete the US50 project that was abandoned between O'Fallon (I-64) east to Lake Carlyle. Studies are currently underway by IDOT to see if they can get it finished right now.  Other than the Quincy/StL route, I can't think of any other toll candidate south of Chicago. FHA planners have desired a better truck route between the Twin Cities and StL for quite a while. IDOT wants it to connect to the CKC/I-172 on the north end down to I-255 north of Alton.

IDOT does have a plan for US51 "Pana Bypass" which would take it all the way to a new alignment at I-70 in Vandalia.  IDOT has wanted a 4 lane "spine line" with US51 for many, many years from Rockford to Cairo.

IDOT would really like to finish US20 all the way to East Dubuque to promote tourism into Galena.  Iowa DOT has done such a great job at upgrading US20 west of Dubuque that if IDOT can get it done along with a new Mississippi River bridge it would prove a great E-W corridor that avoids the Quad Cities and I-90 across Minnesota. Right now its old 2 lane ROW west of Freeport to East Dubuque.

if they toll us-20 will they also toll the Rockford bypass and freeport bypass
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: Revive 755 on November 30, 2017, 08:39:20 PM
Could ISHTA build a tolled "Express Lane" 2nd bridge on I-270 over the waterways at the Mississippi?  The traffic counts there and congestion could warrant an additional crossing just north of the current I-270 Alignment.

Most of the bridges crossing the Mississippi at one time were tolled. The MacArthur, Veterans, Chain of Rocks, McKinley (owned by a railroad).  I think only the Eads Bridge wasn't but it was strictly local traffic.  When the Poplar Street Bridge opened (I-70/I-55) many of those urban toll bridges began to decline.

IIRC, the Eads was tolled until it closed in the 1990's.  I believe the PSB and Stan Musial Bridge are the only crossing locations that have not been tolled during their existence - want to say tolls came off the old Jefferson Barracks Bridge in 1958; off the MLK sometime in the 1990's; and have no idea for the old Clark Bridge.

Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: I-39 on March 20, 2018, 10:16:32 PM
Has anyone been following the recent O'Hare expansion news? It seems they are going to build a new western screening/parking facility in the upcoming expansion with access from the new York Road ramp they are building as part of the EOWA. The facility will initially be for employee's only, but will eventually expand to include passengers in Phase 2 (which will come when O'Hare hits 100 million passengers). At that point, they may include ramps into the facility from the actual IL-390/I-490. Details can be found in the following document.

https://chicago.legistar.com/View.ashx?M=F&ID=5865932&GUID=47615DD9-B4CF-4C80-974F-DACB35050FA0 (https://chicago.legistar.com/View.ashx?M=F&ID=5865932&GUID=47615DD9-B4CF-4C80-974F-DACB35050FA0) (Warning, this is a 300+ page document, so it may take a bit to load).

Thoughts?
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: ET21 on March 21, 2018, 12:26:32 PM
Has anyone been following the recent O'Hare expansion news? It seems they are going to build a new western screening/parking facility in the upcoming expansion with access from the new York Road ramp they are building as part of the EOWA. The facility will initially be for employee's only, but will eventually expand to include passengers in Phase 2 (which will come when O'Hare hits 100 million passengers). At that point, they may include ramps into the facility from the actual IL-390/I-490. Details can be found in the following document.

https://chicago.legistar.com/View.ashx?M=F&ID=5865932&GUID=47615DD9-B4CF-4C80-974F-DACB35050FA0 (https://chicago.legistar.com/View.ashx?M=F&ID=5865932&GUID=47615DD9-B4CF-4C80-974F-DACB35050FA0) (Warning, this is a 300+ page document, so it may take a bit to load).

Thoughts?

All depends if CN will continue to be bitches and not let them build over their trains. Otherwise they have everything pretty much set to expand, and have been moving dirt the last 2 months getting ready to start up 490
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: abefroman329 on March 22, 2018, 02:12:30 PM
Anything that unclogs I-190 would be great.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: edwaleni on April 11, 2018, 12:43:08 PM
Has anyone been following the recent O'Hare expansion news? It seems they are going to build a new western screening/parking facility in the upcoming expansion with access from the new York Road ramp they are building as part of the EOWA. The facility will initially be for employee's only, but will eventually expand to include passengers in Phase 2 (which will come when O'Hare hits 100 million passengers). At that point, they may include ramps into the facility from the actual IL-390/I-490. Details can be found in the following document.

https://chicago.legistar.com/View.ashx?M=F&ID=5865932&GUID=47615DD9-B4CF-4C80-974F-DACB35050FA0 (https://chicago.legistar.com/View.ashx?M=F&ID=5865932&GUID=47615DD9-B4CF-4C80-974F-DACB35050FA0) (Warning, this is a 300+ page document, so it may take a bit to load).

Thoughts?

All depends if CN will continue to be bitches and not let them build over their trains. Otherwise they have everything pretty much set to expand, and have been moving dirt the last 2 months getting ready to start up 490

Its actually CP Rail. Canadian Pacific.

CP isnt totally to blame here. There are some other issues in play.

IDOT wants CP to help pay for a new bridge over 290 so they can widen tbe approaches to the EOH.  Also IDOT wants to erect a temp bridge which CP vehemently objects too. With CP having predecessant rights, IDOT should pay 100% for a new bridge. The law supports that.

The other issue is that ISTHA doesnt want all air rights over CP Bensenville Yards, (like 294 has) they want condemn parts of it for their use. CP being a rail carrier with predecessor rights on the land technically cant be condemned by the state for land acquisition being regulated at the federal level by the STB.

Usually the state offers to pay for any relocations due to any large public needs. Just look at the UP reroute around OHare that was done in the 1950's when it was CNW.

But CP says they (ISTHA) should offer market rates if they are serious about the land instead of going cheap with an condemnation suit.

So yes, CP are holding things up, when you see why, you see that some planner at ISTHA should have gotten his ROW issues with CP agreed too up front before breaking ground. A clear duh moment and a sign of some hubris at ISTHA.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: ET21 on April 11, 2018, 03:29:20 PM
I'll throw this in here too, from Illinois Tollways Thread:

Looks like we have some action in terms of I-490/390. Sound barriers have begun to go up along York Road on the west side of the road and demarcations of ramp extensions have started to get outlined with some land leveling for roadway/piers
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: dvferyance on May 01, 2018, 12:24:04 PM
I'll throw this in here too, from Illinois Tollways Thread:

Looks like we have some action in terms of I-490/390. Sound barriers have begun to go up along York Road on the west side of the road and demarcations of ramp extensions have started to get outlined with some land leveling for roadway/piers
Is 490 going to overlay York Rd in the same way 390 did to Thorndale?
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: Joe The Dragon on May 01, 2018, 01:15:33 PM
I'll throw this in here too, from Illinois Tollways Thread:

Looks like we have some action in terms of I-490/390. Sound barriers have begun to go up along York Road on the west side of the road and demarcations of ramp extensions have started to get outlined with some land leveling for roadway/piers
Is 490 going to overlay York Rd in the same way 390 did to Thorndale?
no
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: Revive 755 on May 01, 2018, 10:27:37 PM
I'll throw this in here too, from Illinois Tollways Thread:

Looks like we have some action in terms of I-490/390. Sound barriers have begun to go up along York Road on the west side of the road and demarcations of ramp extensions have started to get outlined with some land leveling for roadway/piers

The Google Earth Imagery has been updated for parts of Chicagoland.  It would appear there may be some grading for the future I-490 main lanes east of York Road.  Also looks like there may be a couple stubs on IL 19 for future ramps - one near the Cargo Road stoplight, another near the railroad overpasses.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: ET21 on May 02, 2018, 08:21:37 AM
I'll throw this in here too, from Illinois Tollways Thread:

Looks like we have some action in terms of I-490/390. Sound barriers have begun to go up along York Road on the west side of the road and demarcations of ramp extensions have started to get outlined with some land leveling for roadway/piers

The Google Earth Imagery has been updated for parts of Chicagoland.  It would appear there may be some grading for the future I-490 main lanes east of York Road.  Also looks like there may be a couple stubs on IL 19 for future ramps - one near the Cargo Road stoplight, another near the railroad overpasses.

They've been working on grading east of York Road for a good 3 months now, and just started to do some more digging on the west side of York within the last month.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: edwaleni on May 07, 2018, 07:20:10 PM
Here is an update from the other side of the dispute (via Trains website)

CHICAGO – One year ago, the Surface Transportation Board urged mediation to resolve a longstanding dispute between Canadian Pacific and Illinois officials over access to CP’s Bensenville Yard. These days, both sides are still talking without outside help.

In a joint letter to the federal regulators dated May 1, attorneys for CP and the Illinois State Toll Highway Authority say they want at least until June 7 to continue talks before participating in board-sponsored mediation.

As of Friday, the STB had not responded, but the board has insisted in the past that such disputes “typically can be better resolved collaboratively by the private sector than by an imposed solution” by the agency.

A spokesman for CP says that the railroad believes “we are making progress.”

A Tollway spokesman says “positive conversations” are continuing with not only CP but with the City of Chicago on an agreement to allow the Tollway to cross the CP tracks to create western access into O’Hare without disrupting CP’s operations.

The two sides are fighting over the Tollway’s efforts to use part of the rail yard for a $3.4-billion highway project intended to enter nearby O’Hare International Airport from the west and skirt the airport’s western border.

Both had been negotiating access for four years until CP broke off talks in April 2016, saying CP and its subsidiary, Soo Line, “have no intention of selling any interest in this property,” according to a tollway filing with the STB.

The Tollway has asked the STB for a declaratory order clearing the way for it to condemn property in order to build a new toll road on bridges over CP’s rights-of-way and, eventually, through the Bensenville Yard.

CP argued that it will be “significantly and permanently damaged” by the toll authority’s efforts to force the railroad to grant easements on its right-of-way and enable construction of a new toll road over and, ultimately, through the rail yard.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: Rick Powell on May 10, 2018, 11:24:10 PM
One way or another, the Tollway and the railroad will settle up, and “who pays”, “how much” and “what design concessions are made” decided. Hopefully the two parties will work it out, but the STB process is there to back it up, and this won’t be the first tricky situation they have arbitrated in the Chicago area if it comes to that. Many readers here will remember the complex decision rendered by the STB in the CN purchase of the EJ&E. Some communities reached a voluntary agreement with the CN, while others continued to fight thru the STB process.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: ET21 on January 23, 2019, 12:52:13 PM
Supposedly sometime this year (likely the summer) we should start seeing some action/pier construction to connect the east end of 390 to the new 490 based on the construction timeline.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: edwaleni on January 24, 2019, 07:16:22 AM
Per Crains Chicago Business (11/29/18)

Western access to O’Hare gets a little closer

The tollway board has approved a memo of understanding with a second railroad for a needed land exchange and access rights for the Elgin-O’Hare Expressway.

Another piece in the puzzle of opening western road access to O’Hare International Airport fell into place today when the Illinois Tollway board approved a memo of understanding with Union Pacific Railroad for a needed land transfer for the Elgin-O’Hare Expressway on the airport’s western and southern edge.

The tollway previously had reached another, much harder-fought deal with the Canadian Pacific Railway to cross part of its Bensenville Yards land. But permission also was needed from the UP to cross tracks the railroad operates near O’Hare.

Details of the land exchange and whether money was paid were not immediately available. Officials said they now expect to complete negotiations and sign a final contract early next year.

The Elgin-O’Hare Expressway would run from I-90 south and west past the airport to intersect with Interstate 294.

An actual entrance into O’Hare—potentially including a terminal and transit link to the main terminal complex to the east—is being discussed by officials from Chicago and Cook County, but appears at a minimum to be several years off. Still, officials hope to spur development to the west that occurred a generation ago to the east in Rosemont, and to ease traffic congestion in the O’Hare area.

UPDATE:

The tollway action is getting a cheer from U.S. Sens. Tammy Duckworth and Dick Durbin, and Reps. Raja Krishnamoorthi and Mike Quigley, all Democrats.

From a joint statement, “The Elgin-O’Hare Western Access project is vital to our regional, state and national transportation network and we are pleased that the Illinois Tollway Authority, Canadian Pacific Railway and Union Pacific Railway have finally come together to take this critical step today. Thanks to this project, thousands of jobs for hardworking Illinoisans will be created and the region will be better positioned to compete in our modern economy.”
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: abefroman329 on January 24, 2019, 09:51:35 AM
The Elgin-O’Hare Expressway would run from I-90 south and west past the airport to intersect with Interstate 294.
This is a description of the route of I-490, not the EOE.

An actual entrance into O’Hare—potentially including a terminal and transit link to the main terminal complex to the east—is being discussed by officials from Chicago and Cook County, but appears at a minimum to be several years off.
I doubt this will ever happen, particularly if the reconfiguration of the main terminal area actually goes forward.  I think the likeliest plan would be the one I once read about building some sort of employee parking lot and screening area towards the end of the EOE that was somehow connected to the main terminal area.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: edwaleni on January 24, 2019, 01:35:35 PM
The Elgin-O’Hare Expressway would run from I-90 south and west past the airport to intersect with Interstate 294.
This is a description of the route of I-490, not the EOE.

An actual entrance into O’Hare—potentially including a terminal and transit link to the main terminal complex to the east—is being discussed by officials from Chicago and Cook County, but appears at a minimum to be several years off.
I doubt this will ever happen, particularly if the reconfiguration of the main terminal area actually goes forward.  I think the likeliest plan would be the one I once read about building some sort of employee parking lot and screening area towards the end of the EOE that was somehow connected to the main terminal area.

Yes, the writer of this article includes the new exit on the Jane Addams as an extension of the EOE, which of course it isn't. The EOE will end at I-490.

The big news is that ISTHA has worked out their issues with the UP and CP railroads.

But I gotta say, that is going to be one busy area now with all that rail, highway, local freight use on roads supporting all those warehouses.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: ET21 on January 24, 2019, 02:35:18 PM
The Elgin-O’Hare Expressway would run from I-90 south and west past the airport to intersect with Interstate 294.
This is a description of the route of I-490, not the EOE.

An actual entrance into O’Hare—potentially including a terminal and transit link to the main terminal complex to the east—is being discussed by officials from Chicago and Cook County, but appears at a minimum to be several years off.
I doubt this will ever happen, particularly if the reconfiguration of the main terminal area actually goes forward.  I think the likeliest plan would be the one I once read about building some sort of employee parking lot and screening area towards the end of the EOE that was somehow connected to the main terminal area.

Yes, the writer of this article includes the new exit on the Jane Addams as an extension of the EOE, which of course it isn't. The EOE will end at I-490.

The big news is that ISTHA has worked out their issues with the UP and CP railroads.

But I gotta say, that is going to be one busy area now with all that rail, highway, local freight use on roads supporting all those warehouses.

Hope they upgrade Elmhurst/York Road to 3 lanes from Touhy to Irving Park. Don't think I saw anything other than Touhy getting an upgrade with the 490 build
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: Rick Powell on January 25, 2019, 04:33:49 PM
The Elgin-O’Hare Expressway would run from I-90 south and west past the airport to intersect with Interstate 294.
This is a description of the route of I-490, not the EOE.

An actual entrance into O’Hare—potentially including a terminal and transit link to the main terminal complex to the east—is being discussed by officials from Chicago and Cook County, but appears at a minimum to be several years off.
I doubt this will ever happen, particularly if the reconfiguration of the main terminal area actually goes forward.  I think the likeliest plan would be the one I once read about building some sort of employee parking lot and screening area towards the end of the EOE that was somehow connected to the main terminal area.

The west employee parking lot is part of the initial terminal expansion project, if I understand correctly. A western terminal is further off, and one of the hurdles it would need to overcome is that it would open up competition to the existing slots and would likely be opposed by the airlines that have them. A compromise plan might include no western terminal in the foreseeable future, but converting/enlarging the west employee space to a public parking space, and some sort of people mover to get people from the parking area to the upgraded existing terminal.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: edwaleni on January 25, 2019, 09:35:07 PM
The Elgin-O’Hare Expressway would run from I-90 south and west past the airport to intersect with Interstate 294.
This is a description of the route of I-490, not the EOE.

An actual entrance into O’Hare—potentially including a terminal and transit link to the main terminal complex to the east—is being discussed by officials from Chicago and Cook County, but appears at a minimum to be several years off.
I doubt this will ever happen, particularly if the reconfiguration of the main terminal area actually goes forward.  I think the likeliest plan would be the one I once read about building some sort of employee parking lot and screening area towards the end of the EOE that was somehow connected to the main terminal area.

The west employee parking lot is part of the initial terminal expansion project, if I understand correctly. A western terminal is further off, and one of the hurdles it would need to overcome is that it would open up competition to the existing slots and would likely be opposed by the airlines that have them. A compromise plan might include no western terminal in the foreseeable future, but converting/enlarging the west employee space to a public parking space, and some sort of people mover to get people from the parking area to the upgraded existing terminal.

In a betrayal of Chicago promise to suburbs, western terminal disappears from O'Hare expansion plans

http://www.chicagonow.com/dennis-byrnes-barbershop/2017/02/in-a-betrayal-of-chicago-promise-to-suburbs-western-terminal-disappears-from-ohare-expansion-plans/ (http://www.chicagonow.com/dennis-byrnes-barbershop/2017/02/in-a-betrayal-of-chicago-promise-to-suburbs-western-terminal-disappears-from-ohare-expansion-plans/)

Because the 2 largest airlines at O'Hare (United and American) didn't like it. Why would they allow landing fees and surcharges on tickets when they would never see the light of the new terminal?  Let alone it would probably attract national discounters and Southwest doesn't like that, as it would bleed away traffic from "their" airport (Midway).

If American was smart, they would have moved their whole kit and kaboodle to the new terminal and had it to themselves, with new parking, now hotels, etc.  But greed and short term think saw otherwise.

If Chicago had a backbone, they would have given United and American "the shaft" just as Orlando did to Southwest when they approved their new terminal.

As the article said;

- did the new runways reduce delays? No
- did the expansion improve flight capacity? No.

While the suburbs would have gotten a great deal with the western access, City of Chicago is just too plumb greedy and control freaks.

But the suburbs did get something, a ring highway around O'Hare that will stop the senseless expansion into DuPage County suburbs with little or no benefit for travelers. Chicago will still demand all travelers come in through the "front door" on the Mannheim side and see the prominent "Mayor xxxx" sign.

And when the day comes that Chicago does build a terminal over there, I could easily see them flip the bird at the suburbs and build an underground transit system so everyone still will have to come in through the front door.

As for me, I am glad the EOE is finally getting to the airport if only to relieve traffic on the 290/294/US20/Lake Street exit ramps. If the western access was done it would relieve traffic coming from the north on Mannheim.

But there is another city/state next to the airport who definitely doesn't like that, and that is called the City of Rosemont.  Another greedy "mini-Chicago", who had the cajones to try and build a floating casino in a pond of a parking lot.

I could go on and on about the politics of O'Hare over the years, you could write a Greek opera on it.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: I-39 on January 28, 2019, 10:18:13 PM
The west employee parking lot is part of the initial terminal expansion project, if I understand correctly. A western terminal is further off, and one of the hurdles it would need to overcome is that it would open up competition to the existing slots and would likely be opposed by the airlines that have them. A compromise plan might include no western terminal in the foreseeable future, but converting/enlarging the west employee space to a public parking space, and some sort of people mover to get people from the parking area to the upgraded existing terminal.

In a betrayal of Chicago promise to suburbs, western terminal disappears from O'Hare expansion plans

http://www.chicagonow.com/dennis-byrnes-barbershop/2017/02/in-a-betrayal-of-chicago-promise-to-suburbs-western-terminal-disappears-from-ohare-expansion-plans/ (http://www.chicagonow.com/dennis-byrnes-barbershop/2017/02/in-a-betrayal-of-chicago-promise-to-suburbs-western-terminal-disappears-from-ohare-expansion-plans/)

Because the 2 largest airlines at O'Hare (United and American) didn't like it. Why would they allow landing fees and surcharges on tickets when they would never see the light of the new terminal?  Let alone it would probably attract national discounters and Southwest doesn't like that, as it would bleed away traffic from "their" airport (Midway).

If American was smart, they would have moved their whole kit and kaboodle to the new terminal and had it to themselves, with new parking, now hotels, etc.  But greed and short term think saw otherwise.

If Chicago had a backbone, they would have given United and American "the shaft" just as Orlando did to Southwest when they approved their new terminal.

As the article said;

- did the new runways reduce delays? No
- did the expansion improve flight capacity? No.

While the suburbs would have gotten a great deal with the western access, City of Chicago is just too plumb greedy and control freaks.

But the suburbs did get something, a ring highway around O'Hare that will stop the senseless expansion into DuPage County suburbs with little or no benefit for travelers. Chicago will still demand all travelers come in through the "front door" on the Mannheim side and see the prominent "Mayor xxxx" sign.

And when the day comes that Chicago does build a terminal over there, I could easily see them flip the bird at the suburbs and build an underground transit system so everyone still will have to come in through the front door.

I think we have a misunderstanding here of the long term plans for O'Hare. The terminal plans are no longer what Daley & Co announced back in 2001 as part of the O'Hare Modernization Plan, which was a completely new western terminal separate from the existing terminal complex. The long term plan now is to convert the main terminal complex into a layout very similar to Hartsfield/Jackson Atlanta International Airport, where it is a series of pier concourses going from east to west connected via an APM (automated people mover). One would be able to check in at either side and take the people mover to their gate. The APM will not be included in the upcoming work, but in the next phase which will happen when O'Hare hits 100,000,000 passengers, which they are saying could happening within the next decade barring a downturn. See slide 7 of the following presentation and you'll get a better idea of what I am talking about.

https://oharenoise.org/resources/presentations/general-meeting-presentations/2018-7/635-o-hare-21-terminal-area-plan/file (https://oharenoise.org/resources/presentations/general-meeting-presentations/2018-7/635-o-hare-21-terminal-area-plan/file)

Also, I might add the new lease agreement essentially converted the entire terminal complex to "common use", so airlines like UA and AA have to actually use their gates or lose them under the new agreement. And the comment about the runways reducing delays is false, delays have been reduced drastically by reconfiguring the runways from its archaic intersecting layout to the new parallel layout it is now in.

How does this tie into the EOE? Well, Phase 1 of the new western parking/screening facility will be built for employees only during the construction of the Global Terminal, but the long term plan is to build it out to serve passengers as well. The third satellite concourse and the APM is scheduled to be built out when O'Hare hits 100,000,000, so the western passenger facility would likely be built out then as well.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: ET21 on March 20, 2019, 09:25:30 AM
Took a drive down Thorndale yesterday, they've begun to construct the bridges over the train tracks right after the current sections ends
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: The Ghostbuster on March 20, 2019, 03:08:55 PM
Here is a crazy, delusional, fictional idea I just had. What if someone proposed to build a tunnel underneath O'Hare airport that would connect IL-390 with Interstate 190, as a way to bypass O'Hare and surrounding roads? What do you all think of my ludicrous fantasy proposal?
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: Brandon on March 20, 2019, 03:31:19 PM
Here is a crazy, delusional, fictional idea I just had. What if someone proposed to build a tunnel underneath O'Hare airport that would connect IL-390 with Interstate 190, as a way to bypass O'Hare and surrounding roads? What do you all think of my ludicrous fantasy proposal?

It could work, as the ground under the airport is clayey and silty glacial till to at least 50 feet deep in that area.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: abefroman329 on March 20, 2019, 04:04:22 PM
Here is a crazy, delusional, fictional idea I just had. What if someone proposed to build a tunnel underneath O'Hare airport that would connect IL-390 with Interstate 190, as a way to bypass O'Hare and surrounding roads? What do you all think of my ludicrous fantasy proposal?
Supposedly the way the Blue Line was constructed, it can't be extended directly from its current terminus (the occasional proposals to extend the Blue Line to Schaumburg would require building a spur off the current Blue Line before the O'Hare stop).  I'm not sure if that also means you couldn't build an I-190 tunnel under the current airport terminal.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: edwaleni on March 20, 2019, 10:34:19 PM
Here is a crazy, delusional, fictional idea I just had. What if someone proposed to build a tunnel underneath O'Hare airport that would connect IL-390 with Interstate 190, as a way to bypass O'Hare and surrounding roads? What do you all think of my ludicrous fantasy proposal?
Supposedly the way the Blue Line was constructed, it can't be extended directly from its current terminus (the occasional proposals to extend the Blue Line to Schaumburg would require building a spur off the current Blue Line before the O'Hare stop).  I'm not sure if that also means you couldn't build an I-190 tunnel under the current airport terminal.

Technically feasible = Yes
Very expensive = Yes
Will Chicago allow it? = No

If the tunnel like this started on I-190 back at Mannheim and came up at the new parking garage on the west side of the airport? Then yes, Chicago would do it.

But it would be cheaper to have the O'Hare recirculator go through that tunnel instead of cars and trucks and pop up in some future west terminal.

Chicago is too greedy.

The western suburbs tried to have a fixed transit service come in from the west to O'Hare and tunnel under to arrive at Terminal 2.  Chicago wouldn't have it.

Northwest suburbs tried to join in on the concept. A direct transit route from Arlington Heights/Palatine.  Chicago said "no way".

To Chicago, O'Hare is an old fashioned bank. 

They haven't figured out what most banks today have, the easier you make it for people to get their money, the more they want to put it there.

O'Hare is like an old school bank, they want all your money, they restrict what you can do with it and limit your abilities to get it.

They haven't realized that the easier it is to get in and out, the more people will use it. (duh)

After what it took to get a Metra stop at O'Hare, and get Chicago to agree to punch a hole in the fence so people could walk over.  They still object to any enhancement to that station.

Control and greed.

When the Illinois State Lottery wanted to put vending machines in O'Hare, Chicago told them to pound sand.

They finally did a swap. Illinois State Police got all patrol priority and ticket revenue for stops on the interstates in city limits, in return, Chicago got to keep a large part of lottery vending revenue.

Chicago Police stopped harassing commuters shortly thereafter. Within a year Illinois State Police patrols on city limit interstates dropped to nil.

Control and greed.

Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: Ryctor2018 on March 22, 2019, 12:21:37 AM
A small nibble of info. Google now has images of IL-390. Here's the beginning of WB IL-390: https://www.google.com/maps/@41.9835703,-87.963856,3a,75y,269.02h,84.33t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sKFqbHHpQT20iSjmr1ud9aw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: inkyatari on March 22, 2019, 08:50:28 AM
When my Son and I did the halloween bicycle ride on 390 back in 2017, we had a lot of fun.  Awesome experience to ride on a tollway without cars before it opens.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: ChiMilNet on March 22, 2019, 11:06:06 AM
Here is a crazy, delusional, fictional idea I just had. What if someone proposed to build a tunnel underneath O'Hare airport that would connect IL-390 with Interstate 190, as a way to bypass O'Hare and surrounding roads? What do you all think of my ludicrous fantasy proposal?
Supposedly the way the Blue Line was constructed, it can't be extended directly from its current terminus (the occasional proposals to extend the Blue Line to Schaumburg would require building a spur off the current Blue Line before the O'Hare stop).  I'm not sure if that also means you couldn't build an I-190 tunnel under the current airport terminal.

Technically feasible = Yes
Very expensive = Yes
Will Chicago allow it? = No

If the tunnel like this started on I-190 back at Mannheim and came up at the new parking garage on the west side of the airport? Then yes, Chicago would do it.

But it would be cheaper to have the O'Hare recirculator go through that tunnel instead of cars and trucks and pop up in some future west terminal.

Chicago is too greedy.

The western suburbs tried to have a fixed transit service come in from the west to O'Hare and tunnel under to arrive at Terminal 2.  Chicago wouldn't have it.

Northwest suburbs tried to join in on the concept. A direct transit route from Arlington Heights/Palatine.  Chicago said "no way".

To Chicago, O'Hare is an old fashioned bank. 

They haven't figured out what most banks today have, the easier you make it for people to get their money, the more they want to put it there.

O'Hare is like an old school bank, they want all your money, they restrict what you can do with it and limit your abilities to get it.

They haven't realized that the easier it is to get in and out, the more people will use it. (duh)

After what it took to get a Metra stop at O'Hare, and get Chicago to agree to punch a hole in the fence so people could walk over.  They still object to any enhancement to that station.

Control and greed.

When the Illinois State Lottery wanted to put vending machines in O'Hare, Chicago told them to pound sand.

They finally did a swap. Illinois State Police got all patrol priority and ticket revenue for stops on the interstates in city limits, in return, Chicago got to keep a large part of lottery vending revenue.

Chicago Police stopped harassing commuters shortly thereafter. Within a year Illinois State Police patrols on city limit interstates dropped to nil.

Control and greed.

I actually proposed this idea also in a prior thread. I think the only way Chicago would even CONSIDER agreeing to it is if the Tollway and Chicago worked out a deal to split any revenue a tollway tunnel would create. I could foresee a rate of $4-$5 to use it. Plenty of people would do it for the convenience, but a lot of people would avoid it to avoid the high toll. This is, of course, getting into fictional, so I'll stop it here. I'll be excited for when the I-490/90 interchange starts. Having that link will make trips to Schaumburg, Itasca, and some of the West Suburbs from the North Side of Chicago a fair amount easier (though a bit pricey, I admit).
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: ILRoad55 on March 22, 2019, 11:39:36 AM
When my Son and I did the halloween bicycle ride on 390 back in 2017, we had a lot of fun.  Awesome experience to ride on a tollway without cars before it opens.

That reminds me of when my Dad and I did the event they had for the 355-extension before it opened it. I was a kid and we walked from 127th to like the north end of the Des Plaines River Valley Bridge. It was really cool but I barely remember much of it.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: edwaleni on December 02, 2019, 10:06:11 PM
For those interested, ISTHA is currently working with the City of Hanover Park on a study to extend the I-390 Tollway west to County Farm Road.

https://www.illinoistollway.com/outreach/projects-in-your-community/us20-interchange-improvement-study

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49161625622_02a10cb281_z.jpg)

As many are aware this is simply a continuation over the ROW IDOT acquired back in 1972 to relocate traffic off of Lake Street for the Elgin-OHare Project.

IDOT owns almost 85-90% of the ROW needed to finish the E-O except for some parcels in Bartlett and east of Elgin.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: ET21 on December 03, 2019, 10:40:39 AM
That'd be cool, I've started using that end a little more frequently. Shocked they aren't looking a little further westward to terminate it, probably due to the patchwork ROWs that aren't claimed yet
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: The Ghostbuster on December 03, 2019, 01:29:08 PM
Are they still planning to build an arterial road off the end of Highway 390 to North Ave.? If so, would this arterial road carry the Highway 390 designation?
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: edwaleni on December 03, 2019, 03:49:06 PM
Are they still planning to build an arterial road off the end of Highway 390 to North Ave.? If so, would this arterial road carry the Highway 390 designation?

At the moment this study only covers to County Farm Road.

As for any extension of the road to North Avenue in Bartlett, not likely.

IDOT owns all the required parcels to extend the highway to interstate standards to the intersection of North Ave and Lake Street.

But between that intersection going west on Lake Street, the new road would replace Lake Street with access roads (similar to what I-290 did to Lake Street from Northlake to Elmhurst)

Oddly, several parcels in this area recently came up for sale, but because IDOT has no more funding for ROW acquisition, it would have to be a ISTHA buy at this point.

Personally, I wish ISTHA would just get it over with and finish it to Old Lake Street in Bartlett. Plenty of room for an entry toll plaza for the cash only crowd.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: 3467 on December 03, 2019, 04:58:47 PM
I wish the would too but this will graveyard lift because Bartlett has to come up with a match. A Build Grant?
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: Joe The Dragon on December 03, 2019, 09:31:38 PM
Are they still planning to build an arterial road off the end of Highway 390 to North Ave.? If so, would this arterial road carry the Highway 390 designation?

At the moment this study only covers to County Farm Road.

As for any extension of the road to North Avenue in Bartlett, not likely.

IDOT owns all the required parcels to extend the highway to interstate standards to the intersection of North Ave and Lake Street.

But between that intersection going west on Lake Street, the new road would replace Lake Street with access roads (similar to what I-290 did to Lake Street from Northlake to Elmhurst)

Oddly, several parcels in this area recently came up for sale, but because IDOT has no more funding for ROW acquisition, it would have to be a ISTHA buy at this point.

Personally, I wish ISTHA would just get it over with and finish it to Old Lake Street in Bartlett. Plenty of room for an entry toll plaza for the cash only crowd.
cash only is going away on the tollways.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: edwaleni on December 03, 2019, 11:19:51 PM
I wish the would too but this will graveyard lift because Bartlett has to come up with a match. A Build Grant?

The City of Bartlett has already told IDOT that they want to relocate Bartlett Road as part of an overpass and connect it to Oak Ave south of the current US-20.

So IDOT has already purchased the parcels along Oak Ave across from Eastview Middle School. In fact on Google Maps, you can see where the developer had already laid out the cul-de-sacs and lots before IDOT swooped in.

I have driven back there and all the streets now dead end with signs that say "Property of IDOT".

As far as funding, I dont think Bartlett has to put up anything. The only thing they were concerned about was that IDOT has to condemn and acquire a strip mall at the corner of Oak and Lake Street. it has a Dunkin/Dairy Queen and a tire store. They were going to lose some sales tax revenue.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: 3467 on December 04, 2019, 08:37:42 AM
Great lift not graveyard. Gee. It mentioned it on the pass Ed. Bartlett won't have to pay for land but Tollway  consider this an interchange and they created this policy that another party like state of locality or developer has to cover half the cost of any new exits.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: Revive 755 on December 04, 2019, 11:12:37 PM
^ Did the various towns along IL 390 east of I-290 have to put up funds for the various interchanges?  I wouldn't think an extension/construction of a brand new tollway would fall under the interchange addition policy.

But this will probably go as well as the Richmond Bypass and end up dying due to a few wetlands.  :banghead:
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: 3467 on December 05, 2019, 09:35:48 AM
There was some debate about that with an interchange on the 355 south extension. But I think it was about one they were not going to originally build so I think it is just for new ones.
Richmond then didn't want a 3 lane through town. With its budget they just have up. Same thing happened in Galena.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: ilpt4u on December 05, 2019, 11:02:41 AM
I thought ISTHA threatened, at one point, to build the I-355 South Extension with no Exits/Entrances other than I-55 and I-80, and from that, they ended up with the Local Contribution Policy for New Interchanges

If memory serves, the SW Suburban towns served by the Extension Exits got a piece of the Ramp Toll Revenue to pay back their Local Contribution for X number of years
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: Joe The Dragon on December 05, 2019, 01:17:27 PM
There was some debate about that with an interchange on the 355 south extension. But I think it was about one they were not going to originally build so I think it is just for new ones.
Richmond then didn't want a 3 lane through town. With its budget they just have up. Same thing happened in Galena.
Richmond Bypass was planed as an free road. Maybe an tollway could have done it with an $$ wetland work around.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: 3467 on December 05, 2019, 09:08:50 PM
I think that was the case Ilp.
Sorry Joe any hope for Richmond bypass died with 53. It's sad because mchenry was suddenly interested in again.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: Revive 755 on December 05, 2019, 10:52:56 PM
^ There was a separate, non-freeway proposal for the Richmond Bypass I recall dying due to wetland impacts.  The thread about it is still probably on this forum somewhere.

EDIT:  Found it; see https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=10069.msg237385#msg237385 (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=10069.msg237385#msg237385).  The links don't seem to work anymore though.

EDIT 2:  I see from the study website for the IL 390/US 20 interchange that the Tollway is citing the interchange policy requirement to take the freeway to County Farm Road.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: ET21 on December 06, 2019, 09:10:54 AM

EDIT 2:  I see from the study website for the IL 390/US 20 interchange that the Tollway is citing the interchange policy requirement to take the freeway to County Farm Road.

Might as well, land is pretty much ready besides some Earth moving to get the new alignments set
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: jakeroot on March 05, 2021, 01:57:22 PM
Bump warning. I'm surprised this thread has been so dormant.

Anyone have some updates they could share? I've been following this project for a while, just in my spare time.

Looks like the northern interchange between the north-south road (York Road?) and I-90 will be a DDI? Is that correct? Is this road planned to be a freeway? I know everything is planned to be tolled.

Also, as I cannot quite tell from the project details, is there planned to be any direct connection to O'Hare from the western side of the airport? Or is the idea that traffic will still go around the airport and access it from the east?

Thanks guys.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: JoePCool14 on March 05, 2021, 02:16:43 PM
Last time I was down by the EOE, the road was open until the eastern end at the future I-490. York Road is basically becoming I-490, so yes it will be a limited-access tollway.

The hopeful plan is also to create western O'Hare access at some point. That's about all that I can answer.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: jakeroot on March 05, 2021, 02:24:08 PM
Last time I was down by the EOE, the road was open until the eastern end at the future I-490. York Road is basically becoming I-490, so yes it will be a limited-access tollway.

The hopeful plan is also to create western O'Hare access at some point. That's about all that I can answer.

Awesome, thanks for the updates.

I'll be very interested to see how that western access would work. Must be a long tunnel. Or maybe a new western terminal? Lots of possibilities.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: jakeroot on March 05, 2021, 02:30:46 PM
Found a visual that answers my question. Looks like, in addition to new runways, the plan is for a new terminal on the western side:

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51006129118_dba3746dcc_o.png)
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: cabiness42 on March 05, 2021, 02:33:51 PM
Last time I was down by the EOE, the road was open until the eastern end at the future I-490. York Road is basically becoming I-490, so yes it will be a limited-access tollway.

The hopeful plan is also to create western O'Hare access at some point. That's about all that I can answer.

So the segment between Busse/83 and York is open?
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: jakeroot on March 05, 2021, 02:48:21 PM
Here's another visual for anyone that cares. I sifted through the thread but it doesn't seem like anyone has shared these. They're all from the project webpage:

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51006166983_cf76e7abf9_o.png)
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: jakeroot on March 05, 2021, 02:50:17 PM
Last time I was down by the EOE, the road was open until the eastern end at the future I-490. York Road is basically becoming I-490, so yes it will be a limited-access tollway.

The hopeful plan is also to create western O'Hare access at some point. That's about all that I can answer.

So the segment between Busse/83 and York is open?

I don't think he meant that far. None of the major mapping services (Google, OSM, etc) show it open past Busse/Route 83.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: edwaleni on March 05, 2021, 03:26:03 PM
Found a visual that answers my question. Looks like, in addition to new runways, the plan is for a new terminal on the western side:

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51006129118_dba3746dcc_o.png)

Earlier in the thread there was a discussion on the idea that Chicago has given up on the western terminal. Some say no, some say yes.

Parking garage perhaps with a shuttle to a terminal, but being a full service terminal is not happening according to the last agreement done by Rahm Emmanuel.

Seems 9-11 has soured everyone on having any kind of underground shuttles going under all of the primary runways.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: jakeroot on March 05, 2021, 04:04:30 PM
Found a visual that answers my question. Looks like, in addition to new runways, the plan is for a new terminal on the western side:

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51006129118_dba3746dcc_o.png)

Earlier in the thread there was a discussion on the idea that Chicago has given up on the western terminal. Some say no, some say yes.

Parking garage perhaps with a shuttle to a terminal, but being a full service terminal is not happening according to the last agreement done by Rahm Emmanuel.

Seems 9-11 has soured everyone on having any kind of underground shuttles going under all of the primary runways.

By shuttle, you mean like a bus that might pass directly through airport property? Or something that might use the new expressway?

Perhaps when the modernization of the people mover is complete, they could extend it out there.

Some recent articles suggest any new western facilities would be for employees.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: Joe The Dragon on March 05, 2021, 07:23:08 PM
Found a visual that answers my question. Looks like, in addition to new runways, the plan is for a new terminal on the western side:

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51006129118_dba3746dcc_o.png)

Earlier in the thread there was a discussion on the idea that Chicago has given up on the western terminal. Some say no, some say yes.

Parking garage perhaps with a shuttle to a terminal, but being a full service terminal is not happening according to the last agreement done by Rahm Emmanuel.

Seems 9-11 has soured everyone on having any kind of underground shuttles going under all of the primary runways.

By shuttle, you mean like a bus that might pass directly through airport property? Or something that might use the new expressway?

Perhaps when the modernization of the people mover is complete, they could extend it out there.

Some recent articles suggest any new western facilities would be for employees.
https://www.illinoistollway.com/documents/20184/841304/2020_490_IL390_Interchange_MAP_2020Construction_041620.pdf/6b3acf30-5116-404b-a365-b42d925333e0
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: Revive 755 on March 05, 2021, 10:43:02 PM
So the segment between Busse/83 and York is open?

I don't think he meant that far. None of the major mapping services (Google, OSM, etc) show it open past Busse/Route 83.

Unless there has been a very quiet opening in the past week or two, all IL 390 traffic must still enter/exit on the west side of IL 83.  I don't think all the pavement is down yet east of IL 83.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: ET21 on March 06, 2021, 03:28:13 PM
So the segment between Busse/83 and York is open?

I don't think he meant that far. None of the major mapping services (Google, OSM, etc) show it open past Busse/Route 83.

Unless there has been a very quiet opening in the past week or two, all IL 390 traffic must still enter/exit on the west side of IL 83.  I don't think all the pavement is down yet east of IL 83.

Correct, all traffic still enters/exits from Busse. East of that the pavement is mostly down but not opened yet. I believe York/Elmhurst Road will remain as a local entry/exit for businesses. One of the new exit signs mention using York Road as a TO IL-19 (Irving Park Road) point, which is another mile or so south.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: hobsini2 on March 07, 2021, 02:42:04 PM
I can attest, being at O'Hare yesterday as part of my job, the expansion of Terminal 5 is underway.  The steel support trusses for the expansion have been erected in the last 3 weeks. I think that's a good indication that the O'Hare 21 Project is definitely happening.  With that being said, as for the western terminal and access road, that is still up for debate and probably won't be around for a decade.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: I-39 on March 09, 2021, 11:06:30 PM
Found a visual that answers my question. Looks like, in addition to new runways, the plan is for a new terminal on the western side:

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51006129118_dba3746dcc_o.png)

Earlier in the thread there was a discussion on the idea that Chicago has given up on the western terminal. Some say no, some say yes.

Parking garage perhaps with a shuttle to a terminal, but being a full service terminal is not happening according to the last agreement done by Rahm Emmanuel.

Seems 9-11 has soured everyone on having any kind of underground shuttles going under all of the primary runways.

By shuttle, you mean like a bus that might pass directly through airport property? Or something that might use the new expressway?

Perhaps when the modernization of the people mover is complete, they could extend it out there.

Some recent articles suggest any new western facilities would be for employees.

I don’t think the western facility will be a traditional terminal, but kind of a passenger pickup/drop off area with a people mover to the main terminal core, which Terminal 2 will be reconfigured to be more like Atlanta. But this wouldn’t happen until the airport hits 100 million passengers, and that will now be a long time before that happens thanks to COVID.

I think the EOWA project was premature and overbuilt. I supported extending the EOE, but I-490 seems more like a glorified ramp between I-90 and I-294.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: ChiMilNet on March 10, 2021, 08:08:58 AM
Found a visual that answers my question. Looks like, in addition to new runways, the plan is for a new terminal on the western side:

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51006129118_dba3746dcc_o.png)

Earlier in the thread there was a discussion on the idea that Chicago has given up on the western terminal. Some say no, some say yes.

Parking garage perhaps with a shuttle to a terminal, but being a full service terminal is not happening according to the last agreement done by Rahm Emmanuel.

Seems 9-11 has soured everyone on having any kind of underground shuttles going under all of the primary runways.

By shuttle, you mean like a bus that might pass directly through airport property? Or something that might use the new expressway?

Perhaps when the modernization of the people mover is complete, they could extend it out there.

Some recent articles suggest any new western facilities would be for employees.

I don’t think the western facility will be a traditional terminal, but kind of a passenger pickup/drop off area with a people mover to the main terminal core, which Terminal 2 will be reconfigured to be more like Atlanta. But this wouldn’t happen until the airport hits 100 million passengers, and that will now be a long time before that happens thanks to COVID.

I think the EOWA project was premature and overbuilt. I supported extending the EOE, but I-490 seems more like a glorified ramp between I-90 and I-294.

Taking some traffic from the mess over at I-90/294/190 will definitely help there, and this can help divert some traffic from that interchange, particularly I-294 NB to I-90 WB and I-90 EB to I-294 SB. Also, it does provide areas between I-294 and some of the W/NW burbs a less congested alternative to I-290 (of course, for those willing to pay).
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: Joe The Dragon on March 10, 2021, 10:50:05 AM
Found a visual that answers my question. Looks like, in addition to new runways, the plan is for a new terminal on the western side:

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51006129118_dba3746dcc_o.png)

Earlier in the thread there was a discussion on the idea that Chicago has given up on the western terminal. Some say no, some say yes.

Parking garage perhaps with a shuttle to a terminal, but being a full service terminal is not happening according to the last agreement done by Rahm Emmanuel.

Seems 9-11 has soured everyone on having any kind of underground shuttles going under all of the primary runways.

By shuttle, you mean like a bus that might pass directly through airport property? Or something that might use the new expressway?

Perhaps when the modernization of the people mover is complete, they could extend it out there.

Some recent articles suggest any new western facilities would be for employees.

I don’t think the western facility will be a traditional terminal, but kind of a passenger pickup/drop off area with a people mover to the main terminal core, which Terminal 2 will be reconfigured to be more like Atlanta. But this wouldn’t happen until the airport hits 100 million passengers, and that will now be a long time before that happens thanks to COVID.

I think the EOWA project was premature and overbuilt. I supported extending the EOE, but I-490 seems more like a glorified ramp between I-90 and I-294.

Taking some traffic from the mess over at I-90/294/190 will definitely help there, and this can help divert some traffic from that interchange, particularly I-294 NB to I-90 WB and I-90 EB to I-294 SB. Also, it does provide areas between I-294 and some of the W/NW burbs a less congested alternative to I-290 (of course, for those willing to pay).

also can take some truck traffic off of the local roads in that area as well.
give an cut over for people say on I-355 to get to I-90 / I-294 near the airport or elmhurst road at I-90 area
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: edwaleni on March 11, 2021, 08:12:17 AM
Found a visual that answers my question. Looks like, in addition to new runways, the plan is for a new terminal on the western side:

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51006129118_dba3746dcc_o.png)

Earlier in the thread there was a discussion on the idea that Chicago has given up on the western terminal. Some say no, some say yes.

Parking garage perhaps with a shuttle to a terminal, but being a full service terminal is not happening according to the last agreement done by Rahm Emmanuel.

Seems 9-11 has soured everyone on having any kind of underground shuttles going under all of the primary runways.

By shuttle, you mean like a bus that might pass directly through airport property? Or something that might use the new expressway?

Perhaps when the modernization of the people mover is complete, they could extend it out there.

Some recent articles suggest any new western facilities would be for employees.

I don’t think the western facility will be a traditional terminal, but kind of a passenger pickup/drop off area with a people mover to the main terminal core, which Terminal 2 will be reconfigured to be more like Atlanta. But this wouldn’t happen until the airport hits 100 million passengers, and that will now be a long time before that happens thanks to COVID.

I think the EOWA project was premature and overbuilt. I supported extending the EOE, but I-490 seems more like a glorified ramp between I-90 and I-294.

I-490 is the belt that will stop O'Hare from expanding further into DuPage County.

Tired of Chicago/Cook County politics in blocking alternate access points from the west, they finally agreed to new ORD runways but only if the highways were allowed for western access. While a highway hasn't usually stopped Chicago from doing what it wants, I see I-490 as a kind of "Wall of DuPage" that finally stops O'Hare encroachment into Bensenville.

The one thing that I would like to check out is what sales tax will be enforced in the west terminal vendor area? It is technically in DuPage County, not Cook.

Will it have Illinois Lottery vending machines?

These are important questions because Chicago is a tax sponge and patronage operation. But retail in the terminal is not 100% their jurisdiction.

O'Hare bleed over into DuPage was not an issue before because there was no retail on the DuPage side of the property.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: ChiMilNet on March 11, 2021, 01:59:01 PM
Found a visual that answers my question. Looks like, in addition to new runways, the plan is for a new terminal on the western side:

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51006129118_dba3746dcc_o.png)

Earlier in the thread there was a discussion on the idea that Chicago has given up on the western terminal. Some say no, some say yes.

Parking garage perhaps with a shuttle to a terminal, but being a full service terminal is not happening according to the last agreement done by Rahm Emmanuel.

Seems 9-11 has soured everyone on having any kind of underground shuttles going under all of the primary runways.

By shuttle, you mean like a bus that might pass directly through airport property? Or something that might use the new expressway?

Perhaps when the modernization of the people mover is complete, they could extend it out there.

Some recent articles suggest any new western facilities would be for employees.

I don’t think the western facility will be a traditional terminal, but kind of a passenger pickup/drop off area with a people mover to the main terminal core, which Terminal 2 will be reconfigured to be more like Atlanta. But this wouldn’t happen until the airport hits 100 million passengers, and that will now be a long time before that happens thanks to COVID.

I think the EOWA project was premature and overbuilt. I supported extending the EOE, but I-490 seems more like a glorified ramp between I-90 and I-294.

I-490 is the belt that will stop O'Hare from expanding further into DuPage County.

Tired of Chicago/Cook County politics in blocking alternate access points from the west, they finally agreed to new ORD runways but only if the highways were allowed for western access. While a highway hasn't usually stopped Chicago from doing what it wants, I see I-490 as a kind of "Wall of DuPage" that finally stops O'Hare encroachment into Bensenville.

The one thing that I would like to check out is what sales tax will be enforced in the west terminal vendor area? It is technically in DuPage County, not Cook.

Will it have Illinois Lottery vending machines?

These are important questions because Chicago is a tax sponge and patronage operation. But retail in the terminal is not 100% their jurisdiction.

O'Hare bleed over into DuPage was not an issue before because there was no retail on the DuPage side of the property.

Well, common sense would say that Chicago collects any city taxes and DuPage any County taxes. But this is Chicago, and I am sure Cook County wants a slice of that pie as well. Getting back on I-490, and looking at other airports, I do agree it will be a nice "wall" for the DuPage County side. Also, it keeps a logical barrier between communities and the Airport. For a lot of reasons, it makes sense to build it. The combination of DuPage and Kane Counties has between 1.4 and 1.5 million, so that serves a good-sized population in that area alone and add another 500K if you include parts of the NW suburbs and Northern Will County that would use that to access the airport.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: skluth on March 11, 2021, 09:55:41 PM
(Deleted previous as not relevant to this point)
Getting back on I-490, and looking at other airports, I do agree it will be a nice "wall" for the DuPage County side. Also, it keeps a logical barrier between communities and the Airport. For a lot of reasons, it makes sense to build it. The combination of DuPage and Kane Counties has between 1.4 and 1.5 million, so that serves a good-sized population in that area alone and add another 500K if you include parts of the NW suburbs and Northern Will County that would use that to access the airport.

You would think, but I wouldn't be too sure. It isn't difficult to trench highways for runways and taxiways, as can be seen on I-190 going to the airport (https://www.google.com/maps/@41.9720564,-87.896094,1034a,35y,39.13t/data=!3m1!1e3?hl=en). Howell Avenue has been trenched next to Billy Mitchell (https://www.google.com/maps/@42.9430257,-87.9171903,727a,35y,90h,39.2t/data=!3m1!1e3?hl=en) for decades. It's expensive. But when you're buying out a couple hundred properties, the additional expense of trenching I-490 for a runway and adjacent taxiway is just one more expense on an expensive project and might allow a more direct routing of I-490 to the Northwest/ Addams Tollway if O'Hare is expanded to the west or northwest.

I won't try to predict the future of jet travel once we start the new post-COVID normal plus whatever jet controls are introduced as we rejoin the Paris Agreement (https://unfccc.int/process-and-meetings/the-paris-agreement/the-paris-agreement). But it wouldn't surprise me if a major push to expand O'Hare again succeeds within the next 20-30 years.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: Rick Powell on March 11, 2021, 10:53:15 PM
I won't try to predict the future of jet travel once we start the new post-COVID normal plus whatever jet controls are introduced as we rejoin the Paris Agreement (https://unfccc.int/process-and-meetings/the-paris-agreement/the-paris-agreement). But it wouldn't surprise me if a major push to expand O'Hare again succeeds within the next 20-30 years.
I think air travel will be about 10 years behind the automobile industry in electrifying or otherwise "greening" its operations, but it will happen. And I'd not be surprised to see some sort of western O'Hare access, even by a people mover connection to the existing terminals, by 2050.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: The Ghostbuster on March 13, 2021, 12:07:40 PM
Does O'Hare Airport need to be expanded? It looks very constricted by existing roads and development. It's probably as big as its going to get. Of course, someone could propose to build a second international airport to supplement O'Hare, but where would one put it? Any new airport, international or otherwise, would have to be built far away from O'Hare.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: ilpt4u on March 13, 2021, 12:25:04 PM
Does O'Hare Airport need to be expanded? It looks very constricted by existing roads and development. It's probably as big as its going to get. Of course, someone could propose to build a second international airport to supplement O'Hare, but where would one put it? Any new airport, international or otherwise, would have to be built far away from O'Hare.
Peotone in Will County has been proposed multiple times as the 3rd Chicagoland Airport site
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: cabiness42 on March 13, 2021, 12:48:52 PM
Does O'Hare Airport need to be expanded? It looks very constricted by existing roads and development. It's probably as big as its going to get. Of course, someone could propose to build a second international airport to supplement O'Hare, but where would one put it? Any new airport, international or otherwise, would have to be built far away from O'Hare.
Peotone in Will County has been proposed multiple times as the 3rd Chicagoland Airport site
Gary tried adding passenger service but it never worked. Maybe if they renamed it something other than Gary.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: hobsini2 on March 13, 2021, 02:42:33 PM
One other reason that came to mind for the 490 project being done now has to do with the reconstruction and widening of 294. Once 490 is completed, ISTHA and IDOT can finally redo the interchange of 88, 294 and 290, particularly the NB 294 to WB 290 ramp and the SB 294 weaving with 88, without too much of a major detour and backups for traffic going between Indiana and Schuamburg/Rockford.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: skluth on March 13, 2021, 06:42:11 PM
Does O'Hare Airport need to be expanded? It looks very constricted by existing roads and development. It's probably as big as its going to get. Of course, someone could propose to build a second international airport to supplement O'Hare, but where would one put it? Any new airport, international or otherwise, would have to be built far away from O'Hare.
Peotone in Will County has been proposed multiple times as the 3rd Chicagoland Airport site
Gary tried adding passenger service but it never worked. Maybe if they renamed it something other than Gary.

Renaming it East Chicago wouldn't make it any more attractive. LOL

Seriously, a nice new airport could be built between the Toll Road and Lake Michigan in the area around that land. It would be easy to expand it with some landfill into the lake much like that industrial monstrosity north of East Chicago. (Landfill would be needed if you wanted to build a parallel runway that could be used in IFR conditions which requires the runways to be about a mile apart.) It would involve taking a large rail yard and an old mill, but it could be done. Getting there from Downtown Chicago can't be any worse than the Kennedy to O'Hare.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: ET21 on March 13, 2021, 06:55:30 PM
One other reason that came to mind for the 490 project being done now has to do with the reconstruction and widening of 294. Once 490 is completed, ISTHA and IDOT can finally redo the interchange of 88, 294 and 290, particularly the NB 294 to WB 290 ramp and the SB 294 weaving with 88, without too much of a major detour and backups for traffic going between Indiana and Schuamburg/Rockford.

I think both will be ongoing at the same time, not sure if Covid delayed the opening of 490. Would have to take a look at the new/original completion dates
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: edwaleni on March 13, 2021, 09:49:44 PM
I won't try to predict the future of jet travel once we start the new post-COVID normal plus whatever jet controls are introduced as we rejoin the Paris Agreement (https://unfccc.int/process-and-meetings/the-paris-agreement/the-paris-agreement). But it wouldn't surprise me if a major push to expand O'Hare again succeeds within the next 20-30 years.
I think air travel will be about 10 years behind the automobile industry in electrifying or otherwise "greening" its operations, but it will happen. And I'd not be surprised to see some sort of western O'Hare access, even by a people mover connection to the existing terminals, by 2050.

There are several efforts underway to make electric turbofans. Most of early research by Airbus was focused on using an existing airframe and providing a simple drop in the nacelle replacement. This program (E-Fan X) was cancelled when Covid hit the air travel market.

Rolls Royce, GE, Safran, P&W all have some kind of electric program going on behind closed doors. How much time and money being invested isn't clear yet.

Chinese researchers have been putting a lot of effort into using electric plasma drives to replace traditional jet engines, but these have some known impacts to the upper atmosphere and are still a laboratory proof of concept.

It is unknown what Kunetsov or any supplier in the Russian air industry is currently working on.

There is a 100% electric airframe start up in Bellevue, Washington that was making good progress and Boeing was a lead investor in the effort. "Was" is after Boeing starting poaching much of their talent, the firm filed suit and Boeing withdrew their support post the 737MAX.

Most of the growth in electric air transport appears to be in air taxi's. Orlando just issued a permit for a electric air taxi service for tourism and transport to theme parks by air. No date on when they plan to start service post Covid.

The issue in electric turbofans is roughly the same as it was in the early fossil fueled jet age. Amount of thrust per kWh and weight of the electric producing medium.

When air travel returns post covid, advancement will probably accelerate when the popular carriers start requesting proof of concepts.

After green shareholder pressure, Canadian railroads are now pursuing a hydrogen based plan for locomotion.

It will be the same for the jet engine and airframe makers. A large number of green shareholders will force the board of directors to embrace and invest in green tech and the change will begin.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: Revive 755 on March 13, 2021, 10:52:43 PM
I think both will be ongoing at the same time, not sure if Covid delayed the opening of 490. Would have to take a look at the new/original completion dates

I think the disagreements with Canadian Pacific delayed the southern half of I-490 more than Covid.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: ChiMilNet on March 22, 2021, 09:32:45 PM
Article from the Daily Herald today, with some key exerpts.

https://www.dailyherald.com/news/20210322/all-systems-go-on-i-490-the-toll-road-that-could-change-ohare-access-and-suburban-driving

Quote
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"Work is occurring all along the I-490 corridor this year, with much of the construction focused around the interchanges that will connect the new road with the Jane Addams Memorial Tollway (I-90), the Route 390 tollway and the Tri-State Tollway (I-294)," agency spokesman Dan Rozek said.

One significant focus in 2021 is the $340 million full-access interchange between I-490 and Route 390 that also provides access to York and Irving Park roads and O'Hare.

The project entails a 3-mile stretch of I-490 plus 16 ramps and 15 bridges "that will deliver full mobility into and out of the west side of the airport," Rozek said.
...
The massive Route 390 and I-490 interchange should be built by the end of 2023. Additional ramps taking vehicles from I-490 to the airport will be finished by 2025.
...
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: lstone19 on March 23, 2021, 09:33:28 AM
Article from the Daily Herald today, with some key exerpts.

https://www.dailyherald.com/news/20210322/all-systems-go-on-i-490-the-toll-road-that-could-change-ohare-access-and-suburban-driving


And another quote that I find worrisome:
Quote
That could be a lot faster at rush hour than using I-290 or continuing on I-90 to reach the Tri-State, but it will cost more since tolls on I-490 are about 20 cents a mile compared to the average 6 cents elsewhere.

So, assuming what the reporter wrote is correct, ISTHA plans to charge tolls for it that don't fit in with the existing tolls on I-90 and I-294, despite it being, as someone said above, a glorified ramp between I-90 and I-294. Unless the toll from I-290 on I-294 at Hillside to I-290 on I-90 at Schaumburg is the same whether you go I-294/I-90 east of O'Hare or I-294/I-490/I-90 west of O'Hare, I expect a lot of traffic will continue to go east of O'Hare.

Over the last ten years, tolling on the ISTHA roads has become absolutely bizarre as they've taken the mind set that new or improved ramps need to be tolled separately (with ramp tolls) from the general toll structure. So we see things I consider to be just flat out wrong such as paying less to go farther (WB on I-90 and pay to exit at IL-47 or go another five miles and pay nothing to exit at US 20) or paying to enter but then having no opportunity to exit without paying another toll (I believe that having paid a toll, there must be at least one opportunity to exit without paying more - an example is enter I-90 EB at IL-47 and then you either pay to exit at Randall Road or pay at the Elgin Toll Plaza; plenty of other examples along I-90 due to the all-way tolling at Barrington Rd and Roselle Rd). Any "logic of tolls" went out the window with them years ago.

And then there's the screwing the residents of Belvidere received. When they made the Hampshire and Belvidere plazas one-way double tolls, the promise was a round-trip wouldn't cost more. And then someone in the Downers Grove brain trust must have realized that the potential for a free ride existed for people who exited at Genoa Road who then shunpiked back the other way. So they added exit tolls at Genoa Road and now someone who exits there and then returns pays the exit toll going to Genoa Road plus the full round-trip double-toll when they enter at Genoa Road.

And one more thing: that "average of 6 cents elsewhere". It's just an average and the per mile rate varies all over the place. I can go the approximately 35 miles from Gurnee to I-290 in Hillisde for 75 cents (I-Pass auto) or just over 2 cents per mile, then the next five miles to Ogden Ave costs me another 75 cents or 15 cents per mile (and once I pass Ogden Ave., I'm into the zone of the next mainline plaza).
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: ChiMilNet on March 23, 2021, 11:55:37 AM
Article from the Daily Herald today, with some key exerpts.

https://www.dailyherald.com/news/20210322/all-systems-go-on-i-490-the-toll-road-that-could-change-ohare-access-and-suburban-driving


And another quote that I find worrisome:
Quote
That could be a lot faster at rush hour than using I-290 or continuing on I-90 to reach the Tri-State, but it will cost more since tolls on I-490 are about 20 cents a mile compared to the average 6 cents elsewhere.

So, assuming what the reporter wrote is correct, ISTHA plans to charge tolls for it that don't fit in with the existing tolls on I-90 and I-294, despite it being, as someone said above, a glorified ramp between I-90 and I-294. Unless the toll from I-290 on I-294 at Hillside to I-290 on I-90 at Schaumburg is the same whether you go I-294/I-90 east of O'Hare or I-294/I-490/I-90 west of O'Hare, I expect a lot of traffic will continue to go east of O'Hare.

Over the last ten years, tolling on the ISTHA roads has become absolutely bizarre as they've taken the mind set that new or improved ramps need to be tolled separately (with ramp tolls) from the general toll structure. So we see things I consider to be just flat out wrong such as paying less to go farther (WB on I-90 and pay to exit at IL-47 or go another five miles and pay nothing to exit at US 20) or paying to enter but then having no opportunity to exit without paying another toll (I believe that having paid a toll, there must be at least one opportunity to exit without paying more - an example is enter I-90 EB at IL-47 and then you either pay to exit at Randall Road or pay at the Elgin Toll Plaza; plenty of other examples along I-90 due to the all-way tolling at Barrington Rd and Roselle Rd). Any "logic of tolls" went out the window with them years ago.

And then there's the screwing the residents of Belvidere received. When they made the Hampshire and Belvidere plazas one-way double tolls, the promise was a round-trip wouldn't cost more. And then someone in the Downers Grove brain trust must have realized that the potential for a free ride existed for people who exited at Genoa Road who then shunpiked back the other way. So they added exit tolls at Genoa Road and now someone who exits there and then returns pays the exit toll going to Genoa Road plus the full round-trip double-toll when they enter at Genoa Road.

And one more thing: that "average of 6 cents elsewhere". It's just an average and the per mile rate varies all over the place. I can go the approximately 35 miles from Gurnee to I-290 in Hillisde for 75 cents (I-Pass auto) or just over 2 cents per mile, then the next five miles to Ogden Ave costs me another 75 cents or 15 cents per mile (and once I pass Ogden Ave., I'm into the zone of the next mainline plaza).

Honestly, now that they've made it official that they're going to be permanent electronic only, why not just across the system do what they do on IL-390? Yes, would it require some up-front time and cost. However, it would make more sense, make it easier for everyone, and most importantly, make it fairer. This would also be an opportunity to tear out the old toll plazas (which in some places still result in a lane drop, looking at you I-355 Boughton Rd and I-94 Waukegan Plazas). I just hope they wouldn't use it as an excuse to jack up the tolls more, although, it would be no different than what they do in every other state with tolls (looking at you, especially, PA)!
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: cabiness42 on March 23, 2021, 12:16:58 PM
Seems like there's an easy way to do this:

Suppose that a mainline toll plaza is $1
Entering at any point before the toll plaza is free
Exiting at any point before the toll plaza is pro-rated based on the percentage of where the exit is in relation to the two mainline plazas it's between. If it's 20% of the way, the toll is 20 cents, 50% of the way = 50 cents, etc.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: Joe The Dragon on March 23, 2021, 04:43:19 PM
Seems like there's an easy way to do this:

Suppose that a mainline toll plaza is $1
Entering at any point before the toll plaza is free
Exiting at any point before the toll plaza is pro-rated based on the percentage of where the exit is in relation to the two mainline plazas it's between. If it's 20% of the way, the toll is 20 cents, 50% of the way = 50 cents, etc.
They can do I-Pass / EZ-Pass only virural tickets on some places.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: hobsini2 on March 28, 2021, 07:11:57 PM
Seems like there's an easy way to do this:

Suppose that a mainline toll plaza is $1
Entering at any point before the toll plaza is free
Exiting at any point before the toll plaza is pro-rated based on the percentage of where the exit is in relation to the two mainline plazas it's between. If it's 20% of the way, the toll is 20 cents, 50% of the way = 50 cents, etc.


There was a time when ISTHA actually had something like that. You knew which exits were the transition spots between mainline tolls. For the most part, this is still in place in practice on 88 and 355.
York Rd/Meyers Rd toll zone is I-294 to 59.
Aurora is 59 to 56 West.
De Kalb is 47 to I-39.
Dixon is everything west of 251.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: lstone19 on March 28, 2021, 07:44:30 PM
There was a time when ISTHA actually had something like that. You knew which exits were the transition spots between mainline tolls. For the most part, this is still in place in practice on 88 and 355.
York Rd/Meyers Rd toll zone is I-294 to 59.
Aurora is 59 to 56 West.
De Kalb is 47 to I-39.
Dixon is everything west of 251.

If you go back to around 1970 (after the ticket section on I-90 (Elgin to S. Beloit) was dropped, before the I-88 extension west of Aurora was built, and before the Deerfield plaza was removed), they were:
163rd Street Plaza: I-94 to Cicero (for a while, I-94 to Halstead was free but I think that went away in the late 60s)
82nd/83rd St Plazas: Cicero to Ogden
Cermak, York, and Meyers Plazas: Ogden to I-290 on I-294 along with I-294 to IL-59 on I-88 (one zone, just as it is today if you look at it closely)
O'Hare complex plazas: I-290 to Dempster on I-294 and Kennedy Expwy to Barrington Rd. on I-90 (it's all one zone and no matter how you get to the O'Hare interchange, you pay only one toll leaving the O'Hare interchange)
Deerfield Plaza: Golf Rd. to Grand Ave. Gurnee
Waukegan Plaza: Grand Ave. Gurnee to north end of the Tri-State
Aurora Plaza: IL-59 to west end of East-West Tollway (before the extension)
Elgin Plaza: IL-59 to US-20 (Hampshire)
Hampshire Plaza: US-20 to Genoa Rd
Belvidere Plaza: Genoa Rd to Business 20 (Rockford)
South Beloit Plaza: Business 20 to South Beloit (end of tollway)

355 on its own has two zones: Army Trail Rd to Ogden Ave and Ogden Ave. to I-55. But when tied into I-88, both of those zone extend west to IL-59 (if you enter at Army Trail and go to IL-59 on I-88, you pay only the single toll on I-355 right after entering at Army Trail). But go from I-355 from either side and go to I-88 east and you pay on both I-355 and on I-88 (perversely, you could enter I-355 at Butterfield and exit I-88 at Highland Ave., pay two tolls, rack up more miles, and maybe even take longer than just taking Butterfield to Highland.

In the opposite direction, one can enter I-88 east at IL-59 and have four distinct destinations they can go to for a single toll: I-290 at I-294, Ogden exit on I-294, Army Trail exit on I-355, and I-55 exit on I-355.

A big part of me admires how the ISTHA designed the original toll system, particularly the O'Hare complex and the Cermak/York/Meyers complex. And yet I'm unimpressed with how in recent years they have completely butchered much of the logic of the system.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: The Ghostbuster on March 28, 2021, 09:44:28 PM
When IL 390 was converted from a non-toll road to a toll road, was there a lot of opposition to doing so? Plus, the six toll plazas seem like overkill to me. Did there really need to be that many?
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: lstone19 on March 28, 2021, 10:26:01 PM
When IL 390 was converted from a non-toll road to a toll road, was there a lot of opposition to doing so? Plus, the six toll plazas seem like overkill to me. Did there really need to be that many?

I live 1/4 mile from the road. Despite the impact, I don’t recall there being any real organized opposition to it.

As for the toll plazas, the idea is that each plaza collects the toll only for the immediate preceding exit to the next exit. Compare that to the legacy part of they system where if you pass through a mainline plaza, you pay the same toll whether you’re going one exit or from the beginning of that plaza’s zone to the end of the zone (e.g., Entering I-355 at Army Trail, you immediately pass through the mainline plaza and then pay the same toll whether you get off at North Avenue (about two miles) or go to IL-59 on I-88 (15 miles?)).

Despite the theory, they screwed us where we live by not quite following the theory. The Plum Grove Rd Plaza charges for the three miles from Roselle Rd. to I-290. But there’s an interchange in between at Meacham/Medinah Roads. Travel between it and Roselle Road and you pay the extra as if I-290 was the east endpoint. Travel between it and I-290 and you get a free ride. As a result, I’ve shunpiked them 100% since the tolls were added when I need to only go between Roselle Road and Meacham Road.

There’s other weirdness east of I-290. There is a direct ramp from I-290 to the frontage road with no toll but you can’t get back to I-290 without getting on IL-390 and paying a toll.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: ET21 on March 29, 2021, 10:58:56 AM
When IL 390 was converted from a non-toll road to a toll road, was there a lot of opposition to doing so? Plus, the six toll plazas seem like overkill to me. Did there really need to be that many?

I didn't hear much opposition, and I think it was generally accepted since it would help traffic flow from Rohlwing Road eastward especially as Elk Grove Village and WoodDale became major industry hubs. Plus the EOH was due for a rebuild at the time
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: 3467 on March 29, 2021, 11:54:45 AM
I remember we discussed the transfer here. We were wondering if it needed any federal approval. While it was built mostly by state bond funding it might have a some federal money. No one knew because the few stories usually just mentioned the state transferred it. The minimal coverage seems to be an indication there was no controversy.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: edwaleni on March 29, 2021, 09:56:07 PM
https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-2013-01-25-ct-met-tollway-elgin-ohare-20130125-story.html

Richard Wronski, Chicago Tribune reporter
The federal government has signed off on an agreement allowing the Elgin-O'Hare Expressway to be converted into a tollway, officials said this week.

The decision will give the Illinois Tollway the authority to include the 20-year-old highway in its Elgin-O'Hare Western Access Project, according to officials in Washington, D.C., and Illinois.

The $3.4 billion project calls for building a tollway running along the western border of O'Hare International Airport. The tollway will link the Jane Addams Memorial Tollway (I-90) and the Tri-State Tollway (I-294).

This "bypass" tollway will connect with the existing Elgin-O'Hare Expressway, which will be widened and extended east along Thorndale Avenue. The decision by the U.S. Transportation Department allows tolls to be charged.

In addition to federal approval, the tollway agency said it also needs approval from the state and is working on a General Assembly joint resolution to include the Elgin-O'Hare plan.

The U.S. has the authority to make the Elgin-O'Hare eligible to be a tollway under terms of the transportation bill that President Barack Obama signed into law in July, said a spokesman for Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood.

"I am pleased that we found a solution, so that when built, this project can provide mobility for the people of Illinois for generations to come," LaHood said in a statement.

The decision was hailed by U.S. Sen. Dick Durbin and Rep. Tammy Duckworth, who represents the area, as well as Gov. Pat Quinn and tollway Executive Director Kristi Lafleur.

The 12.5-mile Elgin-O'Hare was built in 1993 for $220 million. Despite its name, it connects neither Elgin nor O'Hare. It runs between U.S. Highway 20 (Lake Street) near Hanover Park and Interstate 290 in Itasca.

Backed by an advisory council's report, Quinn in 2011 called for the project to be built to help stimulate the regional economy and potentially create thousands of jobs. At Quinn's urging, the tollway authority later adopted the project.

But the move to turn the expressway into a toll road has stirred some critics.

James Tobin, president of Taxpayers United of America, called the plan an example of "empire-building" on the part of tollway officials.

"The road already exists as freeway," Tobin said. "The tollway was set up to build new roads. … It's a new revenue source and allows them to line their pockets, get pay raises and retire in pension glory."

Tobin's group took the tollway to court last year in an unsuccessful challenge of the near-doubling of tolls to pay for the agency's $12.1 billion rebuilding program, called Move Illinois. The Elgin-O'Hare project is the centerpiece of that effort.

The new Elgin-O'Hare is expected to take 12 years to complete. To begin work, the tollway plans to spend $95.6 million this year. Potential construction includes noise walls along the existing Elgin-O'Hare, a Rohlwing Road (Illinois Route 53) grade separation and the construction of a new bridge to carry southbound Elmhurst Road traffic over I-90.

As part of the project, the tollway plans to build a $30 million ramp via York Road to access O'Hare property.

There are, however, no plans to construct a western terminal, as once hoped, because of the lack of an agreement between the city of Chicago and the major airlines at O'Hare, led by United and American.

The tollway authority, meanwhile, announced that 10 financial firms will be the underwriters for the first $1 billion in bonds for Move Illinois. An additional 10 firms will underwrite $500 million in refinanced existing debt.

The underwriting fee will not exceed $2.50 per $1,000 worth of bonds, tollway finance chief Michael Colsch said.

Tollway officials also announced Thursday a proposal to give motorists a total of three months instead of two to respond to toll violation notices.

Officials said the plan would be fairer to customers and is in line with toll agencies in other states. The proposal will need further approval, however.

The tollway board also approved a $1 million contract with Gilbane Building Co., of Chicago, to review construction practices and work that has been performed, officials said.

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Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: Rick Powell on March 30, 2021, 09:32:11 PM
I guess you could say "relatively little opposition". I remember some grumbling in the area such as Tobin's but not much. I am not sure if it was a chicken-or-egg situation...that the tollway takeover was not well-publicized and therefore drew little opposition, or that there was little publicity because there was muted opposition. I do know that the 2011 tollway hearings for the $12B capital plan that raised tolls to pay for several planned projects including EOWB (which I attended a few of) drew more supporters than opponents.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: edwaleni on March 31, 2021, 09:31:03 AM
The southern Illinois legislative districts did not oppose the EOH going private because at the time IDOT funding was in short supply, and anything that stops the draining of funding for projects outside Chicago is a good thing.

At the moment the Chicago metro area is really the only area that supports the volume ISTHA needs to maintain a viable operation.

While I understand the criticisms over lining a pocket and a healthy pension, etc. etc. I have no issues of holding up ISTHA as one of the better highways to drive on, especially in the winter time.

Yes, they have their warts, and before they refinanced their bonds so as to fix the Rock Falls end of I-88, I might have said something different.

But ISTHA wasn't indifferent to the issues out west and when the law was changed to support I-355 financing, they didn't waste time fixing I-88.

Most people aren't aware but transportation planners (at least most of them) like tollways because raising the cost of car travel makes it easier to justify transit funding.

Constant and chronic starvation of tax revenue for public highways in Illinois make them incredibly cheap transportation options, but as everyone knows you get what you pay for.

While Illinois raised their gas tax (finally), I am surprised more people in the Chicago Metro didn't complain because they essentially would be paying the most for all of their transportation options compared to their peers in the rest of Illinois.

Not only the tollway rates along with the gas tax, but they also pay a sales tax to support RTA (transit) and that includes sales taxes on motor fuels.

This shifting of burden ultimately benefits taxpayers outside of Chicago.



Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: 3467 on March 31, 2021, 11:39:41 AM
The Tollway  map from 97 showed both the South 335 extension and the 53 extension.
About then the legislature authorized both those extensions as well as the one to Richmond and 355 to 57. That one was found unviable because of development in the way. Also I recall the Foxway was gone for the same reason and that is why the Prarie Parkway and Illiana were so far out.
Elgin Ohare was primarily held up then because of issues with city and airport.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: I-39 on March 31, 2021, 11:57:30 AM
The Tollway  map from 97 showed both the South 335 extension and the 53 extension.
About then the legislature authorized both those extensions as well as the one to Richmond and 355 to 57. That one was found unviable because of development in the way. Also I recall the Foxway was gone for the same reason and that is why the Prarie Parkway and Illiana were so far out.
Elgin Ohare was primarily held up then because of issues with city and airport.

My understanding is the IL-53 Richmond leg never got any serious consideration due to the environmental constraints. I thought I remember seeing somewhere that the tollway wasn't interested in it being authorized in the first place.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: 3467 on March 31, 2021, 12:30:49 PM
I think you are right. They did study Peoria Chicago and a 24 extension and maybe something on 20 . The first two were not really viable.
I saw a map on the wall of the Ohare oasis service center in 2017. That map has both 53 and Illiana. I have all the maps from 2013 to 17 nothing like that on those.

Has anyone ever seen those I am missing 18 and 19.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: Revive 755 on March 31, 2021, 09:42:15 PM
I guess you could say "relatively little opposition". I remember some grumbling in the area such as Tobin's but not much. I am not sure if it was a chicken-or-egg situation...that the tollway takeover was not well-publicized and therefore drew little opposition, or that there was little publicity because there was muted opposition.

I seem to recall very little opposition to giving the Elgin O'Hare to ISTHA.  Unlike the brief mentions of giving the existing freeway section of IL 53 north of I-90 to ISTHA - that seemed to be getting a lot more opposition. 
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: JoePCool14 on March 31, 2021, 10:19:38 PM
I guess you could say "relatively little opposition". I remember some grumbling in the area such as Tobin's but not much. I am not sure if it was a chicken-or-egg situation...that the tollway takeover was not well-publicized and therefore drew little opposition, or that there was little publicity because there was muted opposition.

I seem to recall very little opposition to giving the Elgin O'Hare to ISTHA.  Unlike the brief mentions of giving the existing freeway section of IL 53 north of I-90 to ISTHA - that seemed to be getting a lot more opposition.

If I had to take a guess, one gets used a lot more than the other.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: I-39 on April 01, 2021, 02:34:53 PM
I guess you could say "relatively little opposition". I remember some grumbling in the area such as Tobin's but not much. I am not sure if it was a chicken-or-egg situation...that the tollway takeover was not well-publicized and therefore drew little opposition, or that there was little publicity because there was muted opposition.

I seem to recall very little opposition to giving the Elgin O'Hare to ISTHA.  Unlike the brief mentions of giving the existing freeway section of IL 53 north of I-90 to ISTHA - that seemed to be getting a lot more opposition.

If I had to take a guess, one gets used a lot more than the other.

In reality though, they SHOULD have kept the EOWA free and ISTHA taken over the existing IL-53 freeway not just to pay for the extension, but to upgrade the existing portion to modern standards.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: JoePCool14 on April 01, 2021, 03:26:48 PM
I guess you could say "relatively little opposition". I remember some grumbling in the area such as Tobin's but not much. I am not sure if it was a chicken-or-egg situation...that the tollway takeover was not well-publicized and therefore drew little opposition, or that there was little publicity because there was muted opposition.

I seem to recall very little opposition to giving the Elgin O'Hare to ISTHA.  Unlike the brief mentions of giving the existing freeway section of IL 53 north of I-90 to ISTHA - that seemed to be getting a lot more opposition.

If I had to take a guess, one gets used a lot more than the other.

In reality though, they SHOULD have kept the EOWA free and ISTHA taken over the existing IL-53 freeway not just to pay for the extension, but to upgrade the existing portion to modern standards.
I agree. I would've gladly paid for a toll road extension of IL-53 than have no extension at all.

Also, EOWA is not an abbreviation for the Elgin-O'Hare Expressway I have heard.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: I-39 on April 01, 2021, 04:56:04 PM
I guess you could say "relatively little opposition". I remember some grumbling in the area such as Tobin's but not much. I am not sure if it was a chicken-or-egg situation...that the tollway takeover was not well-publicized and therefore drew little opposition, or that there was little publicity because there was muted opposition.

I seem to recall very little opposition to giving the Elgin O'Hare to ISTHA.  Unlike the brief mentions of giving the existing freeway section of IL 53 north of I-90 to ISTHA - that seemed to be getting a lot more opposition.

If I had to take a guess, one gets used a lot more than the other.

In reality though, they SHOULD have kept the EOWA free and ISTHA taken over the existing IL-53 freeway not just to pay for the extension, but to upgrade the existing portion to modern standards.
I agree. I would've gladly paid for a toll road extension of IL-53 than have no extension at all.

Also, EOWA is not an abbreviation for the Elgin-O'Hare Expressway I have heard.

I meant for the entire EOWA project. I stand by my opinion that ISTHA shouldn't have had anything to do with the project, it should have been built as an IDOT maintained freeway as originally intended, and only built when it is confirmed some sort of passenger facility will show up on the west side of O'Hare.

ISTHA needed to focus on the IL-53 corridor for system expansion in Move Illinois.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: Rick Powell on April 03, 2021, 04:34:58 PM
Also, EOWA is not an abbreviation for the Elgin-O'Hare Expressway I have heard.
The study for the Thorndale conversion and what became I-494 was known as EOWB or "Elgin-O'Hare Western Bypass". It was also called O'Hare Western Access in a few quarters.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: triplemultiplex on April 07, 2021, 05:44:48 PM
I stand by my opinion that ISTHA shouldn't have had anything to do with the project, it should have been built as an IDOT maintained freeway as originally intended, and only built when it is confirmed some sort of passenger facility will show up on the west side of O'Hare.

Pssh, if that was how it was, that highway wouldn't have been built until the 2050s.

ISTHA needed to focus on the IL-53 corridor for system expansion in Move Illinois.

Just goes to show how much easier it is to plop a tollway down in an industrial park than it is to build one thru a whiny suburb.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: I-39 on April 09, 2021, 10:17:38 PM
I stand by my opinion that ISTHA shouldn't have had anything to do with the project, it should have been built as an IDOT maintained freeway as originally intended, and only built when it is confirmed some sort of passenger facility will show up on the west side of O'Hare.

Pssh, if that was how it was, that highway wouldn't have been built until the 2050s.

It really isn’t needed until some sort of western access for passengers is ready to be built at O’Hare.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: ET21 on April 10, 2021, 02:23:02 PM
I stand by my opinion that ISTHA shouldn't have had anything to do with the project, it should have been built as an IDOT maintained freeway as originally intended, and only built when it is confirmed some sort of passenger facility will show up on the west side of O'Hare.

Pssh, if that was how it was, that highway wouldn't have been built until the 2050s.

It really isn’t needed until some sort of western access for passengers is ready to be built at O’Hare.

I'd agree for the most part, but what it has done in the past 2 or 3 years is diverted a lot of truck traffic off other local streets since it gives access to Wood Dale Road, Busse Road, and York/Elmhurst which are all heavy freight corridors. Plus EGV is still growing as a major industry hub. I think it was def built ahead of its demand time and once 490 is done we'll probably see a big jump in truck usage on it
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: ChiMilNet on April 29, 2021, 08:55:01 PM
Article and video from ABC7 Chicago about the new I-490. The people on this video are really stressing the great benefit of this route as a connector between I-90 and I-294. Obviously, less emphasis on the Western Access to O'Hare. Overall, I do maintain I-490 will be a great benefit to the region, and the stress reliever on the I-90/294 interchange will be welcome.

https://abc7chicago.com/traffic/construction-underway-for-new-i-490-western-ohare-corridor/10560340/
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: ET21 on April 30, 2021, 11:31:04 AM
Combined with the rebuilding of 294, this will lessen the strain on that interchange with I-90/190/River Road along with the traffic volumes
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: Revive 755 on April 30, 2021, 11:19:21 PM
Article and video from ABC7 Chicago about the new I-490. The people on this video are really stressing the great benefit of this route as a connector between I-90 and I-294. Obviously, less emphasis on the Western Access to O'Hare. Overall, I do maintain I-490 will be a great benefit to the region, and the stress reliever on the I-90/294 interchange will be welcome.

https://abc7chicago.com/traffic/construction-underway-for-new-i-490-western-ohare-corridor/10560340/

That one has the completion date for I-490 now as 2026.  Previously I had been hearing 2025.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: ChiMilNet on May 01, 2021, 08:29:40 AM
Article and video from ABC7 Chicago about the new I-490. The people on this video are really stressing the great benefit of this route as a connector between I-90 and I-294. Obviously, less emphasis on the Western Access to O'Hare. Overall, I do maintain I-490 will be a great benefit to the region, and the stress reliever on the I-90/294 interchange will be welcome.

https://abc7chicago.com/traffic/construction-underway-for-new-i-490-western-ohare-corridor/10560340/

That one has the completion date for I-490 now as 2026.  Previously I had been hearing 2025.

Possible it has been pushed back due to the situation with the railroad negotiations and any redesigns to go along with it. Either way, I am glad to see this is continuing. Even without the Western O'Hare Access being an immediate item, it does set it up nicely for it, and the Western Ring around the airport will make traffic flow easier in the area.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: Great Lakes Roads on May 01, 2021, 06:31:44 PM
https://www.illinoistollway.com/documents/20184/1104692/2021-04_EOWA_490-390Projects_OnePager.pdf/6f65e9cf-568a-0e82-6314-7210410bdc31?t=1619639214677

Looking at Illinois Tollway's updated plan from 4-28-2021 on the Western Access project (I-490), you can see some of the changes on the scheduled completion of sections...

As of right now, the project is broken down into five separate sections:
1. I-490/IL Route 390 interchange has a 2024 completion date
2. From IL Route 390 interchange northward to I-90 interchange has a completion date of 2025
3. I-294 interchange with I-490 has a completion date of 2024
4. Touhy Avenue (IL Route 72) construction with future I-490 interchange should start this year and has a completion date of 2024
5. I-490 mainline construction between I-294 interchange and IL Route 390 interchange should start this year and has a completion date of 2026

I would expect the northern section of I-490 between the IL Route 390 interchange and the I-90 interchange to open first with the southern section to I-294 to open a year later.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: triplemultiplex on May 04, 2021, 07:42:14 PM
I just hope they follow through on the intent to make the O'Hare bypass I-490 and don't wuss out and make it a state route just because it's a tollway.

Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: 3467 on May 04, 2021, 07:51:28 PM
Has the numbering been decided by AASHTO?
I think 390 fits  the requirements too. It ends at an NHS route. So does 53 for that matter. I think they could try to extend 355.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: Brandon on May 04, 2021, 08:03:38 PM
I just hope they follow through on the intent to make the O'Hare bypass I-490 and don't wuss out and make it a state route just because it's a tollway.

Being a tollway didn't stop I-355 from being assigned I-355, I doubt I-490 would be numbered otherwise.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: ilpt4u on May 04, 2021, 09:15:17 PM
Has the numbering been decided by AASHTO?
I think 390 fits  the requirements too. It ends at an NHS route. So does 53 for that matter. I think they could try to extend 355.
I thought the I-490 designation was already approved for the ORD Ring Tollway

The IL 53 Freeway ends at Lake-Cook Rd - not an NHS route. Of course, the actual signed route of IL 53 exits the IL 53 Freeway at the penultimate exit - Dundee Rd/IL 68 - I don’t think that is an NHS route either. Rand Rd/US 12 would qualify, tho

IL 390 is slowly but surely going to be extended. It may never reach the US 20 Elgin Freeway, but it will inch closer and closer
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: ET21 on May 04, 2021, 09:25:05 PM
Has the numbering been decided by AASHTO?
I think 390 fits  the requirements too. It ends at an NHS route. So does 53 for that matter. I think they could try to extend 355.
I thought the I-490 designation was already approved for the ORD Ring Tollway

The IL 53 Freeway ends at Lake-Cook Rd - not an NHS route. Of course, the actual signed route of IL 53 exits the IL 53 Freeway at the penultimate exit - Dundee Rd/IL 68 - I don’t think that is an NHS route either. Rand Rd/US 12 would qualify, tho

IL 390 is slowly but surely going to be extended. It may never reach the US 20 Elgin Freeway, but it will inch closer and closer

They are already analyzing an extension out to County Farm Rd on the west end of 390
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: Roadsguy on May 04, 2021, 09:37:33 PM
Has the numbering been decided by AASHTO?
I think 390 fits  the requirements too. It ends at an NHS route. So does 53 for that matter. I think they could try to extend 355.
I thought the I-490 designation was already approved for the ORD Ring Tollway

The IL 53 Freeway ends at Lake-Cook Rd - not an NHS route. Of course, the actual signed route of IL 53 exits the IL 53 Freeway at the penultimate exit - Dundee Rd/IL 68 - I don’t think that is an NHS route either. Rand Rd/US 12 would qualify, tho

IL 390 is slowly but surely going to be extended. It may never reach the US 20 Elgin Freeway, but it will inch closer and closer

They are already analyzing an extension out to County Farm Rd on the west end of 390

Hasn't the all-freeway option been dropped, though? If it's all made IL 390, that rules out a change to I-390 unless they want it to change to a state route at the end (which I don't know if IDOT ever does).
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: ilpt4u on May 04, 2021, 11:15:38 PM
If it's all made IL 390, that rules out a change to I-390 unless they want it to change to a state route at the end (which I don't know if IDOT ever does).
I-255 and IL 255
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: edwaleni on May 05, 2021, 12:11:03 AM
Has the numbering been decided by AASHTO?
I think 390 fits  the requirements too. It ends at an NHS route. So does 53 for that matter. I think they could try to extend 355.
I thought the I-490 designation was already approved for the ORD Ring Tollway

The IL 53 Freeway ends at Lake-Cook Rd - not an NHS route. Of course, the actual signed route of IL 53 exits the IL 53 Freeway at the penultimate exit - Dundee Rd/IL 68 - I don’t think that is an NHS route either. Rand Rd/US 12 would qualify, tho

IL 390 is slowly but surely going to be extended. It may never reach the US 20 Elgin Freeway, but it will inch closer and closer

They are already analyzing an extension out to County Farm Rd on the west end of 390

Hasn't the all-freeway option been dropped, though? If it's all made IL 390, that rules out a change to I-390 unless they want it to change to a state route at the end (which I don't know if IDOT ever does).

IDOT dropped the priority of the US20 Freeway from Lake Street west to IL-59 back in the 1990's, but they never gave up the ROW and still own 90% of it.

The biggest constraint was the intersection of Bartlett Road, but the City of Bartlett cut a deal where IDOT could connect it with Oak Ave. This would allow IDOT to condemn the businesses at the corner of Lake and Oak.

Other than some small land needed for frontage access, this was the last 10% remaining.

By my reckoning, when the O'Hare Western Access actually opens, pressure will grow to get it finished as far as IL-59.

As for farther west between IL-59 and Bluff City Boulevard, and connectivity to the US-20 Freeway - Elgin Bypass, not in any lifetime.

It was always the "plan" way back when, but I just don't think IDOT or ISTHA have the will or interest even if the AADT is off the scales.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: 3467 on May 05, 2021, 09:29:39 AM
Lake Cook is an SRA and all the SRAs were put on the NHS.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: JoePCool14 on May 05, 2021, 10:16:19 AM
Lake Cook is an SRA and all the SRAs were put on the NHS.

In plain English?
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: mvak36 on May 05, 2021, 11:26:29 AM
Lake Cook is an SRA and all the SRAs were put on the NHS.

In plain English?

SRA: https://www.cmap.illinois.gov/data/transportation/traffic/sra-resources
Quote
The Strategic Regional Arterial (SRA) system is intended to carry larger volumes of traffic at higher speeds as a complement to the region's expressway system. Efforts are made to preserve the level of service on these roadways through appropriate access and traffic signal locations and spacing. To ensure a high level of service for traffic on the SRA system, the Illinois Department of Transportation maintains more restrictive criteria in determining the need for and spacing of traffic signals and access points.

NHS: https://www.fhwa.dot.gov/planning/national_highway_system/nhs.pdf
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: I-39 on May 05, 2021, 12:04:26 PM
Has the numbering been decided by AASHTO?
I think 390 fits  the requirements too. It ends at an NHS route. So does 53 for that matter. I think they could try to extend 355.
I thought the I-490 designation was already approved for the ORD Ring Tollway

The IL 53 Freeway ends at Lake-Cook Rd - not an NHS route. Of course, the actual signed route of IL 53 exits the IL 53 Freeway at the penultimate exit - Dundee Rd/IL 68 - I don’t think that is an NHS route either. Rand Rd/US 12 would qualify, tho

IL 390 is slowly but surely going to be extended. It may never reach the US 20 Elgin Freeway, but it will inch closer and closer

They are already analyzing an extension out to County Farm Rd on the west end of 390

Hasn't the all-freeway option been dropped, though? If it's all made IL 390, that rules out a change to I-390 unless they want it to change to a state route at the end (which I don't know if IDOT ever does).

IDOT dropped the priority of the US20 Freeway from Lake Street west to IL-59 back in the 1990's, but they never gave up the ROW and still own 90% of it.

The biggest constraint was the intersection of Bartlett Road, but the City of Bartlett cut a deal where IDOT could connect it with Oak Ave. This would allow IDOT to condemn the businesses at the corner of Lake and Oak.

Other than some small land needed for frontage access, this was the last 10% remaining.

By my reckoning, when the O'Hare Western Access actually opens, pressure will grow to get it finished as far as IL-59.

As for farther west between IL-59 and Bluff City Boulevard, and connectivity to the US-20 Freeway - Elgin Bypass, not in any lifetime.

It was always the "plan" way back when, but I just don't think IDOT or ISTHA have the will or interest even if the AADT is off the scales.

I’m not sure if it was ever the plan to make US 20 fully accessed controlled between the end of the EOE/North Ave and the Elgin bypass. I think it was more a boulevard like partial access control.

Speaking of the Elgin bypass, one thing they need to get a move on is upgrading that freeway for its entire length to modern standards. With the exception of the McLean Blvd interchange that was redone, the entire road is dated.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: JoePCool14 on May 05, 2021, 01:55:20 PM
Lake Cook is an SRA and all the SRAs were put on the NHS.

In plain English?

SRA: https://www.cmap.illinois.gov/data/transportation/traffic/sra-resources
Quote
The Strategic Regional Arterial (SRA) system is intended to carry larger volumes of traffic at higher speeds as a complement to the region's expressway system. Efforts are made to preserve the level of service on these roadways through appropriate access and traffic signal locations and spacing. To ensure a high level of service for traffic on the SRA system, the Illinois Department of Transportation maintains more restrictive criteria in determining the need for and spacing of traffic signals and access points.

NHS: https://www.fhwa.dot.gov/planning/national_highway_system/nhs.pdf

Thanks. I should've known what the NHS is. I'm in a college course and we just talked about it a couple months back.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: Rothman on May 05, 2021, 03:19:06 PM
Eesh.  Makes me wonder what was taught about it and if it differs from the FHWA definition.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: 3467 on May 05, 2021, 07:42:42 PM
EOW was originally to connect . Then an EIS suggested 20 remain an arterial ...then CMAP revived the idea to 20.
Now it's the ramps to county Farm. These are all NHS routes so they could all be interstates. It would be interesting to know the full story



Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: edwaleni on May 05, 2021, 11:21:28 PM
EOW was originally to connect . Then an EIS suggested 20 remain an arterial ...then CMAP revived the idea to 20.
Now it's the ramps to county Farm. These are all NHS routes so they could all be interstates. It would be interesting to know the full story

LOL....Full story on US20? How far back would you like to go?

It's been a full on drama since the Tri-State was built in the 50's.

Then the Eisenhower Extension (I-90 at the time) relocated it. A lot of beef from residents due to traffic that got pushed into IL-64 North Avenue in Elmhurst.

But the problem just came back because IDOT never finished FAP43 and left it hanging at Army Trail Road, people exited at US-20 and it kicked the bucket down a few years and Lake Street is a problem again.

While a US-20 Expressway had been on the books for sometime, the traffic using Lake/Army Trail/North Ave going east were cars headed to O'Hare, or trucks coming in and out of Zenith, Jewel and some other industrial at the time.

A couple of things happened, land was getting scarce as IDOT didn't have a lot of dough after 1975. There was a political movement to relocate O'Hare traffic to a western access and Chicago balked at any access outside I-190.

IDOT did acquire vacant land west of now I-290 and around Thorndale when a new development (Hamilton Lakes) was being built out with the idea that it would either be a freeway or a transit corridor. US-20 was supposed to extend here (someday)

Small trivia, Hamilton Lakes Tower was originally planned to be 75-80 stories high and was going to be the 2nd tallest building west of Chicago, but they couldn't get a permit from the FAA to have a building so tall so close to O'Hare. WBBM-AM and WGN-AM also filed against it and Hamilton Lakes offered a new transmission tower to them in return. The building was truncated to its current 20 story height.

After that it became all political again as Chicago blatantly refused to allow anything to access O'Hare from the west.  When Republican's got control of the Illinois Legislature, they funded IDOT to complete the EOH from I-290 to Lake Street in Hanover Park and to complete the land acquisition to IL-59.

In fact the original EOH had a wide center median to allow the future use of transit, if/when they could. The Republican's in DuPage County were furious that Chicago refused to play ball to help alleviate a regional transportation issue.

After that, there were quite a few private entities that wanted to build a transit service into O'Hare from the west and take it down the EOH. DuPage County was most interested in funding it publicly and several county board members got in trouble for a Disney junket to look at their monorail, (right).

Cook County interfered perfectly when a political contingent in Schaumburg demanded any airport service connect with Woodfield Mall, and then flirted with the CTA coming out that far. (it only got to OHare fortunately).

With a political stalemate, the EOH sat in its pre-tollway form for a few years until this time things changed. During this political stalemate, the EOH/US-20 never moved any further. Some widening and left turn lanes and incremental improvements, but no freeway past Hanover Park.

With politics now starving IDOT budgets, the US-20 Freeway planning had a few more public hearings in the early 1990's and it was shelved. (but IDOT never gave up the land or its intent)

Chicago was losing air traffic and the configuration of the airport was inefficient and they needed several new E-W runways to fix it.

When they came to DuPage County leadership they said "western access please" Chicago threatened to file suit. But it was the City of Bensenville to the rescue and filed a massive lawsuit. Chicago saw years and years of delays and called uncle.

The political compromise was to use ISTHA, now free to refinance bonds at will, (due to a previous law change for I-355 that didn't exist at the last go around) and having a joint political control in Springfield, to "bottle up" the airport, build western access, give them their runway extensions and compensate the City of Bensenville for the hassle.

IDOT used to be really good at planning and building freeways speculatively using solid regional business data.

But when they ran out of money and were starved, everything became reactionary and they had to let the demand get "pent up" so that public hearings would be more favorable.

FAP43 was a prime example where people were so fed up, they gladly let it be built. So it will be for the future of US-20 and the EOH. People between Elgin and Hanover park will finally get so fed up and it will get the momentum to get it finished.




Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: Henry on May 06, 2021, 10:30:04 AM
Article and video from ABC7 Chicago about the new I-490. The people on this video are really stressing the great benefit of this route as a connector between I-90 and I-294. Obviously, less emphasis on the Western Access to O'Hare. Overall, I do maintain I-490 will be a great benefit to the region, and the stress reliever on the I-90/294 interchange will be welcome.

https://abc7chicago.com/traffic/construction-underway-for-new-i-490-western-ohare-corridor/10560340/

That one has the completion date for I-490 now as 2026.  Previously I had been hearing 2025.

Possible it has been pushed back due to the situation with the railroad negotiations and any redesigns to go along with it. Either way, I am glad to see this is continuing. Even without the Western O'Hare Access being an immediate item, it does set it up nicely for it, and the Western Ring around the airport will make traffic flow easier in the area.
Also, COVID-19 is another likely factor in the delay, but at least there's determination in getting it done, which is always welcome news.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: I-39 on June 17, 2021, 01:37:31 PM
Any new information on the extension to County Farm Road?
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: edwaleni on June 20, 2021, 11:28:13 PM
Any new information on the extension to County Farm Road?

Per the City of Hanover Park:

The Illinois Tollway is conducting a Preliminary Engineering Study for the Illinois Route 390 Tollway at U.S. Route 20 (Lake Street) Interchange Improvement. This study will determine if extending the interchange ramps to County Farm Road, along with local intersection improvements, can address local traffic issues. The Phase One for the study is expected to require about 18 months to complete with a planned study conclusion scheduled in 2020. For more information, visit the Illinois Tollway Website.

Per ISTHA:

https://www.illinoistollway.com/outreach/projects-in-your-community/us20-interchange-improvement-study (https://www.illinoistollway.com/outreach/projects-in-your-community/us20-interchange-improvement-study)

A public information meeting for the project took place on August 20, 2019, at Hanover Park Village Hall to present the existing conditions and solicit input on potential solutions. A final public meeting is anticipated in 2021 to present the preferred alternative.


Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: US20IL64 on September 07, 2021, 10:56:15 PM
Gov. Jim Edgar pushed EOE, and got built by 1993. Was to be IL 19, but got no # for years.

The US 20 bypass looks like it was built in the 50's, [reminds me of Pasadena CA Freeway]  with the short ramps and nearly driveways entering from Elgin, but was opened in mid 60's. Saw maps recently on AASHO site, with the request for "Business US 20".

The 59/20 interchange was first built in the 30's [?], then replaced some time ago.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: dvferyance on September 16, 2021, 10:32:13 PM
If it's all made IL 390, that rules out a change to I-390 unless they want it to change to a state route at the end (which I don't know if IDOT ever does).
I-255 and IL 255
IL 255 can't be part of I-255 because it is a spur and those have to start with an odd number.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: ilpt4u on September 17, 2021, 12:14:18 AM
If it's all made IL 390, that rules out a change to I-390 unless they want it to change to a state route at the end (which I don't know if IDOT ever does).
I-255 and IL 255
IL 255 can't be part of I-255 because it is a spur and those have to start with an odd number.
Its pretty clear by now that the 1st Digit Even/Odd Rules for 3DIs are more like Guidelines than Rules - plenty of examples of Even and Odd 3DIs that should seemingly be the opposite value
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: US20IL64 on September 17, 2021, 12:49:01 PM
IL 3d's roads don't have same "rules" like 3di's.



Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: Henry on September 17, 2021, 12:50:45 PM
If it's all made IL 390, that rules out a change to I-390 unless they want it to change to a state route at the end (which I don't know if IDOT ever does).
I-255 and IL 255
IL 255 can't be part of I-255 because it is a spur and those have to start with an odd number.
Its pretty clear by now that the 1st Digit Even/Odd Rules for 3DIs are more like Guidelines than Rules - plenty of examples of Even and Odd 3DIs that should seemingly be the opposite value
IL 3d's roads don't have same "rules" like 3di's.




Well, there's IL 394, which should've been I-394 by now, but nothing has ever come of that.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: ChiMilNet on September 17, 2021, 05:26:04 PM
If it's all made IL 390, that rules out a change to I-390 unless they want it to change to a state route at the end (which I don't know if IDOT ever does).
I-255 and IL 255
IL 255 can't be part of I-255 because it is a spur and those have to start with an odd number.
Its pretty clear by now that the 1st Digit Even/Odd Rules for 3DIs are more like Guidelines than Rules - plenty of examples of Even and Odd 3DIs that should seemingly be the opposite value
IL 3d's roads don't have same "rules" like 3di's.




Well, there's IL 394, which should've been I-394 by now, but nothing has ever come of that.

There's a very simple and valid reason for that, actually, which is because from Sauk Trail until its Southern end, it actually has cross streets and stoplights. Only the portion North of there through the Southland Interchange is fully freeway. I'm sure if they were to upgrade the South part of it, it could be considered for Interstate designation. With that, one does wonder if they may ever convert IL 390 to an Interstate designation when it is connected to I-490 (though, it does connect to the Interstate network now via I-290, and precedent exists to designate it, even without a parent connection, see NYC and any I-x78).
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: cabiness42 on September 17, 2021, 05:34:36 PM
If it's all made IL 390, that rules out a change to I-390 unless they want it to change to a state route at the end (which I don't know if IDOT ever does).
I-255 and IL 255
IL 255 can't be part of I-255 because it is a spur and those have to start with an odd number.
Its pretty clear by now that the 1st Digit Even/Odd Rules for 3DIs are more like Guidelines than Rules - plenty of examples of Even and Odd 3DIs that should seemingly be the opposite value
IL 3d's roads don't have same "rules" like 3di's.




Well, there's IL 394, which should've been I-394 by now, but nothing has ever come of that.

There's a very simple and valid reason for that, actually, which is because from Sauk Trail until its Southern end, it actually has cross streets and stoplights. Only the portion North of there through the Southland Interchange is fully freeway. I'm sure if they were to upgrade the South part of it, it could be considered for Interstate designation. With that, one does wonder if they may ever convert IL 390 to an Interstate designation when it is connected to I-490 (though, it does connect to the Interstate network now via I-290, and precedent exists to designate it, even without a parent connection, see NYC and any I-x78).

Another reason I would suggest is that the control city for 394 is Danville, and if you slap an interstate designation on 394, people might get the misconception that the road is freeway all the way to Danville, and be a bit upset when they get dumped out onto a 2-lane rural highway just north of Beecher.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: 3467 on September 17, 2021, 05:52:33 PM
With 255 it's a hybrid a spur and belt. It ends on an NHS route with lots of 4 lane segments.
I agree on 394. Illinois 1 17 and I57 is only 2 miles longer but fewer towns and usually a better ride to the Dan Ryan a certainly now better to the tri state .


Since we are on It any more routes Illinois could try for the red white and blue.
They did try 34 as 174 . I would try something different now.

To avoid fictional I am asking for routes that exist now that can meet the standard.
The only roads Illinois is planning now are expressways so no new interstates.

I can only think Il 6 and 390 along with 34 and 255.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: ilpt4u on September 17, 2021, 07:45:41 PM
Since we are on It any more routes Illinois could try for the red white and blue.
They did try 34 as 174 . I would try something different now.

To avoid fictional I am asking for routes that exist now that can meet the standard.
The only roads Illinois is planning now are expressways so no new interstates.

I can only think Il 6 and 390 along with 34 and 255.
The IL 56 Freeway to Sugar Grove that used to be the Mainline East-West Tollway…yeah it would be a short spur, but lets give it an x88 - I say I-588

Then IL 56 can be decommissioned beyond North Aurora, and just end as it crosses the Fox River and reaches IL 31
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: edwaleni on September 17, 2021, 11:28:45 PM
Since we are on It any more routes Illinois could try for the red white and blue.
They did try 34 as 174 . I would try something different now.

To avoid fictional I am asking for routes that exist now that can meet the standard.
The only roads Illinois is planning now are expressways so no new interstates.

I can only think Il 6 and 390 along with 34 and 255.
The IL 56 Freeway to Sugar Grove that used to be the Mainline East-West Tollway…yeah it would be a short spur, but lets give it an x88 - I say I-588\

Then IL 56 can be decommissioned beyond North Aurora, and just end as it crosses the Fox River and reaches IL 31

I agree on this one, but probably nothing will happen until IDOT decides what the I-80 to Peotone route will look like. They will want to connect it to the planned IL-47 north-south upgrades.

Has anyone driven through that IL47-IL56 interchange lately? Bumpy, lots of patches and the bridge beams are rusted as heck. That thing needs help.

As for the EOH, I want the tollway to get it finished all the way to IL-59, and get IDOT to finish it west of IL-59 when the Elgin Bypass comes due for its reconstruction/safety upgrades.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: cwm1276 on September 18, 2021, 06:26:58 PM
With 255 it's a hybrid a spur and belt. It ends on an NHS route with lots of 4 lane segments.
I agree on 394. Illinois 1 17 and I57 is only 2 miles longer but fewer towns and usually a better ride to the Dan Ryan a certainly now better to the tri state .



Since we are on It any more routes Illinois could try for the red white and blue.
They did try 34 as 174 . I would try something different now.

To avoid fictional I am asking for routes that exist now that can meet the standard.
The only roads Illinois is planning now are expressways so no new interstates.

I can only think Il 6 and 390 along with 34 and 255.
US 20 bypass around Rockford, west of 39, could be I-139.  I don't US 20 being upgraded further west in my lifetime.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: I-39 on September 18, 2021, 11:53:21 PM
As for the EOH, I want the tollway to get it finished all the way to IL-59, and get IDOT to finish it west of IL-59 when the Elgin Bypass comes due for its reconstruction/safety upgrades.

Speaking of which, what is the status on this? Didn’t IDOT have a study out to redo this section a few years ago?
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: hobsini2 on September 19, 2021, 02:46:42 PM
Since we are on It any more routes Illinois could try for the red white and blue.
They did try 34 as 174 . I would try something different now.

To avoid fictional I am asking for routes that exist now that can meet the standard.
The only roads Illinois is planning now are expressways so no new interstates.

I can only think Il 6 and 390 along with 34 and 255.
The IL 56 Freeway to Sugar Grove that used to be the Mainline East-West Tollway…yeah it would be a short spur, but lets give it an x88 - I say I-588

Then IL 56 can be decommissioned beyond North Aurora, and just end as it crosses the Fox River and reaches IL 31

The IL 56 Expy is not up to interstate standards (gravel shoulders) and has 1 side road (Golfview) that comes off it.  It will not be an x88 until that is taken care of.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: US20IL64 on September 19, 2021, 02:54:53 PM
I drove on IL-56 highway and it would be a waste of $ to "upgrade" it. Fine as is. There is an entrance to a high end sub-division, and I see them being "NIMBY".
Only if there is need to extend limited access onto US-30, but then it is too close to I-88.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: ET21 on September 20, 2021, 09:12:44 AM
It also likely won't be upgraded anytime soon now that it's primary usage is shifted to I-88/IL-47 unless you specifically need to get to Sugar Grove or the airport. Everyone that needs to go north to Elburn just uses 88 now with the new exit.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: US20IL64 on September 20, 2021, 09:59:41 AM
With IL-390, on the west end, I predict it will just get finished to County Farm Rd, or US-20. 2nd prediction is it will sit as is till end of time. Too many rich NIMBY's there.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: dvferyance on October 07, 2021, 12:08:54 PM
With 255 it's a hybrid a spur and belt. It ends on an NHS route with lots of 4 lane segments.
I agree on 394. Illinois 1 17 and I57 is only 2 miles longer but fewer towns and usually a better ride to the Dan Ryan a certainly now better to the tri state .



Since we are on It any more routes Illinois could try for the red white and blue.
They did try 34 as 174 . I would try something different now.

To avoid fictional I am asking for routes that exist now that can meet the standard.
The only roads Illinois is planning now are expressways so no new interstates.

I can only think Il 6 and 390 along with 34 and 255.
US 20 bypass around Rockford, west of 39, could be I-139.  I don't US 20 being upgraded further west in my lifetime.
With perhaps maybe the possibility of a Galena bypass.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: Plutonic Panda on March 02, 2022, 06:25:46 PM
This project is moving forward:

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The Illinois Tollway board of directors announced Feb. 17 a key agreement with the city of Chicago necessary to construct the new I-490 Tollway — and complete the $3.4 billion Elgin O'Hare Western Access Project investment in the region's transportation infrastructure. The agreement approved during the February board meeting positions the Tollway to build and operate a completely new roadway in the shadow of one of the nation's largest airports, guiding the design efforts and providing land access needed for completion.

- https://www.constructionequipmentguide.com/illinois-tollway-approves-agreement-with-chicago-as-i-490-tollway-progresses/55617
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: abefroman329 on March 02, 2022, 09:55:34 PM
If they were talking about the southern half of I-490, then how can it still be in the design phase when they’re already working on the interchange with I-294?
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: Revive 755 on March 02, 2022, 10:26:28 PM
If they were talking about the southern half of I-490, then how can it still be in the design phase when they’re already working on the interchange with I-294?

The south half ran into delays due to Canadian Pacific and from what I've heard had to be redesigned.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: edwaleni on March 02, 2022, 11:20:35 PM
If they were talking about the southern half of I-490, then how can it still be in the design phase when they’re already working on the interchange with I-294?

As a result of the recent, historic agreements with the Union Pacific and Canadian Pacific railroads that were necessary for the new I-490 Tollway to cross the Canadian Pacific Railway Bensenville Intermodal Yard, the final design required additional negotiations with the city of Chicago.

This agreement provides additional land, while defining a process by which the design of the southern portion of the new road will be managed and coordinated in complete cooperation with the Chicago Department of Aviation, which owns and operates O'Hare International Airport on behalf of the city of Chicago.

"The amended agreement with the Illinois Tollway provides a clear path forward toward the jobs, minority contracting opportunities and improved airport access offered by the I-490 plan," said Chicago Mayor Lori E. Lightfoot.

Currently, this portion of the new I-490 Tollway is still under design, and the agreement provides the Illinois Tollway with a clear framework for the land and construction parameters that are necessary to ensure the continuity of the critical transportation network that operates in the area. A final design is expected later this year, with additional details presented to the Elgin O'Hare Western Access Local Corridor Advisory Committee, as well as local and regional stakeholders, and the public at large this summer.


O'Hare is like a pregnancy. As it grows it forces everything else to shift to accommodate.

In this case a major new arterial highway is trying to work around 2 railroads, another state arterial (Irving Park Road) which borders O'Hare on the south side.  The tollway has been collecting fill for the future overpass of the rail yard at Irving Park and Taft for some time.

All I can tell you is when it is done, its going to be one of the tightest fitting expressways between the rail yard up to York Road and Irving Park Road, and not too high as to interfere with landing operations on 10R/23L.

Honestly I can't wait to see it all, mostly because it finally will happen after 40+ years and to see how they make it fit.

Now if they can just get the west end in Bartlett/Hanover Park done.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: Rick Powell on March 02, 2022, 11:47:14 PM
Now if they can just get the west end in Bartlett/Hanover Park done.
Well, there is the ramp extension study to County Farm Road.
https://www.illinoistollway.com/outreach/projects-in-your-community/us20-interchange-improvement-study
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: edwaleni on March 03, 2022, 10:22:13 PM
Now if they can just get the west end in Bartlett/Hanover Park done.
Well, there is the ramp extension study to County Farm Road.
https://www.illinoistollway.com/outreach/projects-in-your-community/us20-interchange-improvement-study

Thank you, well aware of it. In fact I posted earlier on some of the tortured history of US-20/EOH.

IDOT buying out subdivision tracts, farms, fighting with school districts and municipalities and urban encroachment on the ROW. Most of it dating back to the 60's.

I remember the current route being delayed because a contractor building the bridge over the CP/Metra MILW line hit a peat bog. And it wasn't just any ole peat bog.

This highway has a story worthy of an opera.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: Revive 755 on April 13, 2022, 10:27:02 PM
Streetview finally has pictures of some of the future signing for IL 390 east of IL 83:

Looking east near Supreme Drive, (https://goo.gl/maps/ZgPZW9zWscg5xHbK9) also has a reversed blue on white 'To Toll I-90' shield and what appears may be a black text on white background two line IL 19 "Irving Pk" shield along Thorndale.

Sign east of Supreme Drive (https://goo.gl/maps/WdjttfSQzoCMTRTW7)
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: The Ghostbuster on April 13, 2022, 10:48:57 PM
I can't wait until IL 390 and Interstate 490 are completely open! Just a couple more years!
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: ET21 on April 14, 2022, 10:47:05 AM
Streetview finally has pictures of some of the future signing for IL 390 east of IL 83:

Looking east near Supreme Drive, (https://goo.gl/maps/ZgPZW9zWscg5xHbK9) also has a reversed blue on white 'To Toll I-90' shield and what appears may be a black text on white background two line IL 19 "Irving Pk" shield along Thorndale.

Sign east of Supreme Drive (https://goo.gl/maps/WdjttfSQzoCMTRTW7)

Yeah took Streetview awhile to update the area. Those signs have been up since late 2019
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: edwaleni on April 14, 2022, 01:55:42 PM
IDOT did kick off the study on US20 between the Cook/Kane County line back to IL-59.

http://www.us20atshalesstudy.org/ (http://www.us20atshalesstudy.org/)

Here is the link for the other study for the US20 Bypass that encompasses the work at Randall Road.

http://www.us20elginstudy.com/ (http://www.us20elginstudy.com/)



Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: JoePCool14 on April 15, 2022, 10:58:42 AM
Streetview finally has pictures of some of the future signing for IL 390 east of IL 83:

Looking east near Supreme Drive, (https://goo.gl/maps/ZgPZW9zWscg5xHbK9) also has a reversed blue on white 'To Toll I-90' shield and what appears may be a black text on white background two line IL 19 "Irving Pk" shield along Thorndale.

Sign east of Supreme Drive (https://goo.gl/maps/WdjttfSQzoCMTRTW7)

Those are some... interesting looking signs.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: abefroman329 on April 15, 2022, 01:06:29 PM
So is there going to be another toll gantry east of Supreme Drive?
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: hobsini2 on April 16, 2022, 07:08:15 PM
So is there going to be another toll gantry east of Supreme Drive?

Nothing officially from what I can see on the website but given how the gantry tolls are roughly 25 cents each, I would not doubt it.
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: dvferyance on April 16, 2022, 10:26:33 PM
If it's all made IL 390, that rules out a change to I-390 unless they want it to change to a state route at the end (which I don't know if IDOT ever does).
I-255 and IL 255
IL 255 can't be part of I-255 because it is a spur and those have to start with an odd number.
Uh forgetting VA-44 became part of I-264?
Title: Re: Elgin-O'Hare Tollway
Post by: Revive 755 on April 16, 2022, 10:46:29 PM
So is there going to be another toll gantry east of Supreme Drive?

Nothing officially from what I can see on the website but given how the gantry tolls are roughly 25 cents each, I would not doubt it.

I think there has to be one for eastbound since there will be  since there will be an entrance to EB IL 390 just east of IL 83 (https://goo.gl/maps/sV7FDkwnRwheF5